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Jacki Randall[edit]

Hello Graeme;

I am wondering what I need to do to have the bio/profile for artist Jacki Randall published. Could you please help me or tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks so very much. Crazybird 21:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyybird (talkcontribs)

Hi Crazyy, I have Assisted by moving to article space from your user talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/Gabriel Weston[edit]

Hi Graeme, you declined by article about Gabriel Weston claiming notability had not been established. I'm not sure how there can be a question of notability of an author who is internationally published and has the same literary editor as Salman Rushdie and Ian McKewan, but I have added a link to Amazon to prove that this is a major book release, and made a couple of further amendments, and trust you will accept the article this time.

Benweston1969 (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


USER: wjespens

Hi Graeme, you declined my article on Kuntaw as it is on my website at I am the original writer of this article and this is why I added it as is. Should I do anything else to get this completed?



Hi Jesse, in order for me to believe the copyright is now GFDL, you will have to ammend the original website to say content is released under GFDL see WP:GFDL for the licence you would grant. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
The copyright still says "© 1999 International Kuntaw Federation" which stops wikipedia from hosting it. Also to have an article you need independent sources, links outside of the organisation that have writings from people nothing to do with it. This is to show notability. The sources have to be reliable, and that cuts out geocities. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


Hello Graeme, many thanks for your review. You declined my article about QPACE (, because the content was taken from the article ( We are the authors of this articles. What do we need to do to have the article approved.

Despite this, I changed the introduction text and wrote it from scratch. Maybe this is the better approach. ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schihei (talkcontribs) 09:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks in advance! Heiko —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schihei (talkcontribs) 08:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

You are right it is definitely better to rewrite it, this will make it more in the style of an encyclopedia, and less a marketing approach. If you did want to use it unchanged, you would have to change the original web site to attach a suitable copyright to the material like WP:GFDL. I will look at your amendments if someone else has not done so already. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sandy Gandhi[edit]

Hi Graeme Thanks for fixing the title and putting in the redirect for Sandy Ghandi --> Sandy Gandhi.
I notice in she is listed under "S"; she should probably be under "G".
I would like to upload a photo of her as well; I contacted her and she has sent me one to use. Could you kindly help me with this as I appear to not be able to do it with my level of access.
By the way I have never written a Wikipedia article before; I just saw her on TV, thought she was really funny, looked her up on the Internet and when there wasn't much about her I thought I should remedy the situation. So I appreciate your assistance!
Kind Regards,
Jenny Bridge (hashisan) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashisan (talkcontribs) 12:51, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jenny, I think where it appears in the category is something to do with defaultsort, but I have not yet learned how to do it. Is the picture released to the public domain, or at least free to use by anyone? Copyright is very important to wikipedia as it is free to use. If you own the copyright then you can upload it, but if not prooving permission is more difficult. If you can get it on some other web site such as flickr, along with the GFDL copyright permission, then let us know the URL and we can up load. Look at WP:IFU. Since you are registered there should be an upload file on your screen's left hand side, at the bottom of the list. Click on this. If it is not there you may have to edit 10 more pages or wait a few days. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


This user is still submitting lots of articles to AfC. Do we let him continue or try to make him create by himself? His articles are pretty well written but are often not neutral, written from a fan's point of view, or include peacock words. Martin 12:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I already tried to suggest that she/he put in his own articles. Perhaps "talk" is not yet understood by this user. Can you modify the submission script, so that users with names end up creating the article directly? I have had to fail 2 because of already existing, the submnitted article was better, but the user did not then replace the old article with their work. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


For copying my articles from the Dutch Wiki. There is a lynching mob, who don't want me to contribute to Wiki at all. My block is over, but I won't contribute to the Wiki until a demand is met. Users should be warned or banned who willingly manipulate sources, say that scholars/professors don't know what they're talking about, misquote and lie and completely remove sources that don't fit in their POV. I guess you can read dutch, so you can follow my actions on the dutch Wiki, and my second request for the Arbcom. I'm not in a hurry so it can take some time Bornestera (talk) 09:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have been trying to avoid getting into arguments, but your contributions of articles have been very useful. Perhaps you can give me a list of articles to convert from the nl wikipedia to the en one here. If you don't want to post publicly you can email me on the E-mail this user link. I must admit that my ability to read Dutch is poor, and I either need a dictionary or translation software! But I am still trying to get Frisian history better populated. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Category question[edit]

You mentioned that there is a templated a categories that includes a small descriptor next to each category. I was wondering if you could point me towards so more info on this. Conversely could you confirm if I'm not making sense. Chrisfromcanberra (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 01:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC).

Under the "my preferences" gadgets, there is a hotcat that you can tick, see WP:Hotcat it will add a option on pages to autocomplete categories, but it wont actually describe them. But it will assist. Secondly you can edit a category to add a description. you goto Category:category and then edit and you can add one in. You will not be able to magically get a description from thin air if there was none there though ! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Friendly reminder[edit]

Hey Graeme, don't forget to substitute {{Afc talk}} otherwise you get very nasty looking messages. Cheers! Martin 10:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Declined AfC submissions in November 2008[edit]

I notice that this category you created is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. I'm notifying you in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding [[Category:Declined AfC submissions in November 2008]] to articles/categories that belong in it.

I blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with {{db-author}}.

Contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Completed Afc requests[edit]

Your comments invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Completed Afc requests. Cheers, MartinMsgj 18:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you like the way the categories are working now? I assume you'd have no problem about the other ones (e.g. Category:Articles for Creation submitted on 26 Jan 2009, etc.) being deleted now? Martinmsgj 10:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Graeme? Martinmsgj 10:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure why you didn't reply to me, but I've deleted all those unused categories now. Martinmsgj 08:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ursula Bagdasarjanz[edit]

Dear Graeme Bartlett, this same article was published in the german version of Wikipedia and should be available for native english speaking people. The reliable source are the published works (Book's, CD's) and her contribution for the composer Othmar Shoeck. The source of this article can be verified by Ursual Bagdasarjanz her self at Can you please define what should be modified to be approved by Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taksoh (talkcontribs) 11:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

We need an independent reliable source to prove notability. The details can be filled in from her own web site, but we need others to have written about her to show she is notable. The German wikipedia is not counted as a reliable source. You are registered so you can actually make the article yourself. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Graeme Bartlett, The musical work of Mrs. Ursula Bagdasarjanz is part of the "music department of the central library" in Zurich. In this library of national/international interest only reputable persons are listed. Her work is also listed in the "swiss musicien dictionary of 1964", which is an important national reference. This are some publications about her:

Prof. Dr. Ion Sarbu, "Vioara si maestrii ei de la origini pana azi", Editura Info-Team Bucuresti 2005, Editor Radu Constantinescu, ISBN 973-97239-3-4

Prof. Dr. Ion Sarbu. "Memorii Pentru Viitor", Editura INFO-Team Bucuresti 2007, Editor Radu Constantinescu, ISBN 973-98133-7-2

Willy Schuh, "Schweizer Musiker Lexikon 1964 (Swiss musicien dictionary 1964)", Atlantis Verlag Zürich (Publisher)--Taksoh (talk) 14:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I have now accepted the article - so please improve it! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cereo[edit]

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AfD nomination of Cereo[edit]

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survived. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Princess Marcella Borghese[edit]

You reverted my edits to this article as "malicious tagging". Can you define this? Wikipedia doesn't have any guidelines on this criteria. The following points were tagged by myself (until you removed them) in the article:

"Her strategies to re-establish Borghese as a leader in the prestige category did prove effective".
According to who?
"The line is exclusive to Bloomingdale's and Lord and Taylor department stores"
This should be verified. How is asking for verification malicious?
"Plans to introduce the line into Nordstrom by 2010 are in the works"
This should be verified. How is asking for verification malicious?
"The Costco launch proved very profitable for Borghese"
This should be verified. How is asking for verification malicious?
"and sales for the department store line have risen dramatically"
This should be verified. How is asking for verification malicious?
"The company's future is no longer in limbo as Georgette Mosbacher has revitalized the brand"
This should be verified. How is questioning this malicious?

In my opinion, editing the article - not asking for verification - could have been construed as malicious to the OP, which is why I tagged this.

No war here, just wondering how you concluded tagging isn't acceptable, and Wikipedia's standards on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, maybe malicious was a bit of a strong term, but when it is tagged for deletion and has fact tags add, this looks more like an attack on the article. If it was just one kind - eg just fact it looks as if the article is requested to be improved. With a delete tag it looks as if the article should not be here, but both together is somewhat contradictory! I am pretty sure the topic deserves an article, but you you are right to expect that the references could be improved. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Graeme Agreed, the general tag on the section plus the subsequent fact tags throughout the already tagged article could easily appear hostile (on my part) to the OP. My bad. Going forward, I'll tag only the specific statements in question - or, in the case of spam, the entire article - but not both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Predator X[edit]

I was referring to this[1]--Human.v2.0 (talk) 03:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

image submission of John Hiatt's portrait for your consideration[edit]

Hi, Graeme! I have made the necessary adjustment in my blog ( to reflect the fair use release of my painting of John Hiatt for use in his article ( I have updated my painting's caption in my blog indicating that the said image is now in the Public Domain. This is the updated URL for the image I am uploading for your consideration---> Thank you so much, Graeme, for moderating my request! (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by "released in the Public Domain for fair use", are there uses that you do not consider fair? Or is it really public domain for any use at all? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

re: John Hiatt's portrait rights[edit]

Hi, Graeme! Thank you so much for publishing the portrait of John Hiatt that I submitted! You are right, the caption that I initially wrote on the image was ambiguous. I have corrected it now to mean as "fair use" and as such may be used by anyone for reproduction, even without permission from me, as long as it is for non-profit purposes ( After all, I painted it for my own personal pleasure out of inspiration and admiration for John Hiatt's music. I appreciate your help, Graeme, in clarifying any problem that might have arisen from my error regarding copyright issues. If there is any other mistake on my part, please let me know. Thank you so much, Graeme! (talk) 18:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Oil cleansing method[edit]

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One Nicaraguan Cordoba.png[edit]

You accepted the request without proper permission. There is no way for us to know that the user who requested the upload is actually the owner of that website. For cases like this we require a PD release statement on the website so that we can be sure. Also, your upload has issues. You tagged it both with PD-self (even though it is not your image) and PD-author (without using the required author parameter ). Commons also requires the permission I talked about. I have marked it as no permission and left a request on Brendinooo's talk page for the permission. Thanks --Yarnalgo talk to me 23:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

WPAFC banner for images[edit]

Graeme, can you add the banner to the file talk pages, for example File talk:Signal transduction in sea-urchin sperm chemotaxis.jpg? Thanks, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

(This works even if the image is held on commons.)
Do you mean the en:File talk:Signal transduction in sea-urchin sperm chemotaxis.jpg or commons:File talk:Signal transduction in sea-urchin sperm chemotaxis.jpg? I did add a text to the commons talk page, but the template is not there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I meant the one that I had linked to :) Every image on commons can have a corresponding talk page here, and so the template does work. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Now the dust has settled, would you mind telling me exactly what in my answers gave the impression that I didn't take the RfA seriously? Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 03:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

From EricdeKolb[edit]

April 5


Graeme, I just figured out how to answer you back directly on your user page. Thanks for your message. I would greatly appreciate you placing the proper license in my images for me. Also, I saw the copy of the license that someone put on Village Pump. I had difficulty locating it in the "Commons". Also, please note that the dekolb paintings are not copyrighted at all (I said they were before). I have started to upload the paintings under a Attribution Share3.0 license. Is this correct? I know I am going to have to fix the licensing for my downloads and do them again. If you could help me I would appreciate it.

Also, I notice that underneath the picture "storybook romance" that there is a reference #1 for eric dekolb-wartenberg, and it gives the date March 10, 1916. I looked at the subpage you created and couldn't find this date. Also, it says "New York" underneath it. I would assume that deKolb was born in Vienna. Also, I will ask Mrs. deKolb more about the death of EricdeKolb. I really appreciate all of your help. Thank you so much. I would like to get this all done before the April 15th date. (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC))

[edit] —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricdeKolb (talkcontribs) 20:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

From EricdeKolb[edit]

Thanks Graeme for your help.

I have pictures of deKolb but I have to scan them into my computer. I have a lot of pictures including the commission "The Miracles of St. Anthony" I will see if I can fix my picture license problem. Keep helping me please! Thanks, (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

It would be good to get some pictures of his jewelery too. It looks as if you will have too many pictures for an article, but still commons can probably take any amount of his works. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric de Kolb Again[edit]

Hi Graeme!!

Just to let you know that I put a HELP!! message on my user page!1 Maybe you'll help me also. I put a copy of the "help" message at the end of this letter. I didn't want you to be overloaded.

Now Graeme, take a look! I have added the following to dekolb's page.

1.I added some info about his death. His wife still has to give me the date he passed.

2.In the first part where you put the picture of "storybook romance", I added under "influenced by" Professor Ferdinand Schmutzer. I was also going to try to ad a link about Schmutzer, but all the links were also linked to advertisements. There is a Wikipedia page about Schmutzer, but it doesn't mention that he was a "master of etchings", just photography. So should we like the Wikipedia Page if it doesn't mention "etchings"?

3. Also, I added a line about deKolb's art shows at the Bodley Gallery. Maybe we should add a footnote with a weblink here. Also, the Wikipedia "Bodley Gallery" site, doesn't mention Eric deKolb. Maybe this webpage should be revised so Eric de Kolb's name is mentioned along with Salvadore Dali's etc. (By the way, I am going to scan 1 or 2 of the old articles about Eric de Kolb and the Bodley Gallery.

4. I also made a section of "Honorable Mention" —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricdeKolb (talkcontribs) 20:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

5. Under Awards - He won the Welsh Award

6. I have more images to download. How do I make them smaller?


My main problem is this licensing thing. I think I have to use license CC by 3-0 for artwork that I have photographed of paintings. The Owner of original artwork is the wife of the deceased artist. Do I have to get written permission from her (she doesn't have a computer). Also, I am receiving messages relating to copyright tags??? Eric de Kolb the artist has been dead for 20 years and so his wife is the copyright owner, but she does not have a copyright stamp, so how does this work, and how do you ad on the copyright tag.

I am also trying to edit my images in the article and fix the licensing section and copyright problems and I can't figure out how to do it. I only see how to download a new image. I have looked and looked over the wikipedia information and can't seem to find it. I would appreciate it if you would fix it all for me so that I can carry on and then tell me what to do so I can download more images without bothering you.

Thank you so much!!

(BStett--EricdeKolb (talk) 19:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

Got Your Message[edit]


Thank you for your message. I read over those links, but I am still not really understanding. First off, they are asking me for copyright tags. There are no copyright tags. Mrs. deKolb just owns the paintings and sculptures because her husband left the estate to her.

Under the "donations" (CC by 3.0), the only one they mention that might apply to my situation is for photographs.

Thanks (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 23:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

Signature link[edit]

I noticed that you've removed the links from your signature, and I'm curious why. While some users prefer not to link to their sig, the signature guidelines require a link to either your user page or talk page. To be fair, that specific guideline has not been rigorously enforced and signature links are less essential in many areas (such as the Reference Desk), but if you decide to continue to use a linkless sig I would ask that you refrain from posting on new users' talk pages (since those users are the least likely to be able to locate you to respond). Thank you. – 74  04:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It was due to an error in the description on the preferences page, that says if unchecked the typed in signature will be used. I have sorted this out in the preferences, but I don't know how many sigs lost their linkage! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
3 sigs now fixed! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick response. The problem apparently only started around a day ago, so I wouldn't worry too much about the few linkless sigs. Please keep up the good work! – 74  05:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric de Kolb Again[edit]

Hey Graeme,

Thank you for letting me know that I have 2 files: woman behind flowers and girl behind flowers. Problem that I am having is that I haven't been able to get back into images to make the corrections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricdeKolb (talkcontribs) 15:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Well Graeme, I went into all of my photos and changed them, I hope they are right now. It is frustrating. I still don't know how to delete an original.

Tomorrow, I am going to have Mrs. deKolb sign a perimissions letter and I will send it over. Hope I get this all correct. Thank you (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC))

DEATH of Eric de Kolb - Citation Needed[edit]

Eric de Kolb died in 1985. Death was caused when a simple cataract operation procedure turned into a 2 hour operation, causing blood to the brain.[citation needed]

Graeme, I got this info. directly from Mrs. deKolb, so maybe we can put a footnote there indicating this is where the info. comes from. You better do it, I don't want to ruin your beautiful work.

Thanks, Me (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)_

Obituary Eric deKolb[edit]


I will see if I can get an obituary or something in writing about deKolb, meanwhile, I tried the f[1], and it didn't work. (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC))

Eric de Kolb Again[edit]

I did the correct footnote this time. thanks. I saw the death certificate, so tomorrow, I will add it in. I hope I did the pictures right this time. I wasn't sent anything back. I am in the process of having Mrs. deKolb sign the permission agreement. (BStet--EricdeKolb (talk) 02:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC))

Wrong dåte on dekolb - I changed it look!!![edit]

And I included the footnote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricdeKolb (talkcontribs) 15:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It lookas as if you have the hang of footnote addition now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your work at IFU. When you comment on request make sure you leave a note on the users talk page, which will hopefully increase the chance of them coming back and replying. You can use the template Template:Ifu talk, the different options of {{ifu talk}} are explained here. Cheers, Matt (Talk) 04:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric de Kolb[edit]

Hi Graeme,

The death of deKolb is 2001. I changed everything, and tried to change the cataloging at the bottom of the site. I did change the catalog date to 2001, but when I clicked in it, the Eric de Kolb listing is not in there and I didn't want to just make the change as I didn't understand the coding.

Could you please change that for me, thanks, (BS--EricdeKolb (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC))

This is the voice of Eric de Kolb!![edit]


I am on the Internet. Thank you, I was forgotton, but now I am found again.

Much obliged,

Eric de Kolb (Bstet--EricdeKolb (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

Well actually there was plenty of other internet refs before Wikipeida had an article, otherwise we may not have thought the topic was notable! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Fountain of the Virgin[edit]


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I am claiming copyright expired on this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A little bit of help required[edit]

Hi Graeme

Thanks for the support. Just wondering, although my page is currently up for deletion, is it possible to remove the jokes at this moment in time as I have been away from Wikipedia for a while, I'm not sure with some of the things that I'm allowed to do. My childish side from the past use to get the best of me and jokes was all I wanted to do, but hey whats happened has happened.

Many Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifu-keith (talkcontribs) 01:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks again, I know what to put, just haven't been back on for months as I've been away on study and working at the moment. Oh and just wondering, whats wrong with my signatures, I post the 4 tildes but it still comes up as unsigned. Very confused. Thanks Sifu Keith 02:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifu-keith (talkcontribs)


Hi. I was just wondering if there was a reason why you had never stood for adminship, and whether you had thought about doing so? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple of years ago I was reading about admins, and RfAs. It advised to get involved in many areas of Wikipedia to get broad experience. I thought that was a good idea, so then I discovered AfC, which was also recommended to Admin candidates. There was such a big backlog there that I have put in a lot of effort and stopped checking out other areas. So my planned development to being an admin sort of stopped. Then I also considered, do I want to put up with the pressure that may be placed on an admin? Most of what I want to do I can do without being an admin. However there is another point of view, that a lot of what I do is helping other people, and that matches what admins are supposed to be doing.
I would very likely accept the nomination if someone nominated me. I have seen several of the AfC helpers become admins recently. I think you may have something to do with that! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It will be a few days before I have time to complete the nomination, but as soon as you see the link turn blue, feel free to start answering the questions :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou for your nomination, I had better start studying for the interrogation. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Your nomination is up now. You're right, becoming an admin probably won't change your editing habits much; it will just mean there are more backlogs that you can help with! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Great work on the RfA. You might get to 100 by Saturday! I might suggest that it is not worth replying to Ottava Rima. Just my opinion ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess your are right, I do not expect him to change his vote. Others seem to be arguing with him enough on my behalf. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Drawing Board Assistance[edit]

Hello- thank you for your comments for my drawing board post. I am glad that the writing style is good and neutral. Can you help me clear some things up? I am a little confused as to references needed for a cancer research organization because in my research of similar organizations, most only provide links to their websites. For example, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research, Memorial Sloan Kettering, and a few more all mainly show links to their sites.

Some do add links to their pages on charity navigator and better business bureau... would it improve my article if I added those for the Cancer Research Institute?

Also, I was a little unsure about the Forbes article because the scientists mentioned are actively funded by Cancer Research Institute - some are even on the scientific advisory board, speak at the meetings, and help run meetings. Is there away I can include the article if I talk about those scientists in the article? Must it absolutely mention the cancer research institute?

Lastly, the ludwig page does mention the cancer research institute at the bottom of the page where it discusses the cancer vaccine consortium.

Would this publication by the CVC-CRI immune assay group be something good to put?

What about links to other sites that have chosen CRI for their charity promotions? Would they be relevant or no?

Thank you again for your help- I hope I am not asking too much. I look forward to your reply. --Kelstar (talk) 13:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

How short is short[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:Special:ShortPages#How short is short --PBS (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

RFA question[edit]

I've added a few. Dlohcierekim 23:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me, I am responding now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

RFA Questions[edit]

Just a quick note letting you know that I added a few questions for elaboration below question 4 and 9. Cheers, Icestorm815Talk 03:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Drawing board help[edit]

Hello Graeme
Thanks for your drawing board review.
Would you please help me with one more bit?
There's an article already on Replicon (genetics). It has been tagged as a stub and Replicon redirects there. So when Replicon (company) is made an article, how should the disambiguation be done?
I read the disambiguation help and have the following questions:

  • Does Replicon need a disambiguation page or just disambiguation links on the company and genetics pages?
  • How should the primary topic for Replicon be decided? Based on notability? I do not want to violate WP:NPOV by trying to make the company one as primary and hence would like help on disambiguation.
    Would you please help by moving the usersubpage to an article page and setting the disambiguation as you feel appropriate?
    If that is going to take too much of your time, would you please instruct me on how to proceed?

Gyrox (talk) 07:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, Graeme.
Gyrox (talk) 03:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

James Edson White[edit]

Nice work on the article James Edson White you created recently; Colin MacLaurin (talk) 05:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


Hello long time no see! You did good job on Frisian project. I was one of the members; they banned me. I was: "the bold guy"... :) I see you are currently trying to become administrator? Well good luck to you then! I would have voted for you, but see, the problem is: I don't have an account! In any case, I can tell you: good luck and hope you make it! (talk) 21:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the good wishes. I think that your account will still exist, just that it is blocked indefinitely.Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

"Bold" and also "disruptive" I guess? :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Very disruptive at times, I must admit. But that does not stop me from wishing GB luck! I am still very grateful for you starting the "Friesland Project"... you practically run it by yourself now, I really admire your interest in my people. So good luck to you, you are doing a great job in many fields. (talk) 06:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Frisians are my my ancestors too, and some of the Wikipedia people have known relationships to me. This means that we would have common ancestors perhaps from the 16th century. Lucky there are other people working ion the Friesland area, they don't want to sign up to the project for various reasons. There are various missing articles, some on geographic features. Are you able to check on politicians over the last century, who are the politicians from Friesland that need an article? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

As for Frisian politicians: look for names ending with an "stra", "ma" or last name "de Vries" (lit. "The Frisian"). It is good to here we might share a common ancestor. I have looked into that, and many of the Frisian warlords from that era were very profilic lovers. They have numerous decendents nowadays. You could very well be a decendent of Wijerd Jelckama or his uncle; Pier's son died in a fire, but his daughter survived him and lived into her seventies. She had issue. Important Frisian politicians would be, most notable: Pieter Jelles Troelstra.

All pretty familiar names, especially the first two. Mata Hari, the worlds most famous femme fatal, she was of Frisian ancestry! In current politics, all I can think of is Jouke de Vries. He is not very well known. Lost the elections to Wouter Bos for the PVDA. If you need any help, ask me! (talk) 17:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you help me out here? The article Jouke de Vries could really do with a picture of the man. Here is one:

And here is another one: you could google for images and upload an image of him. As you can see he is a big guy with big head, black hair and glasses. Easy to recognize. Could you uplaod such an image perhaps? That would be great! (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a WP:IFU request. I cannot determine the copyright status of these pictures, so I cannot use them on Wikipedia. By default every picture will be copyrighted, and not free for use. Are there any on Flickr? But my question for you was for those that did not already have an article. There should be articles on the fy and nl wikipedia with no article on the the en wikipedia that we could have. The articles you pointed out already exist, so you can improve them as an IP contributor. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest with you: I think that the Frisians are actually better represented her at en:wiki then at the Dutch wikipedia! I asked around there and was suprised very much... did you know Bernard Fokke (on which the legend of "the Flying Dutchman" is based) was a Frisian? Not must people know that... :) (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You are now an admin[edit]

This user is an admin.

I'm pleased to inform you that your RFA was successful, and that you are now an admin. The community has seen it fit to give your access to the tools in light of your excellent work here. You can try out your new tools at New Admin School. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask me or any of our fellow admins. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 The annual review... 23:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! -- Mentifisto 23:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Congrats, I know you'll do a great job. :) Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 00:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, well done indeed. Your contributions, honesty and trustworthiness have been recognised. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Cheers! (talk) 13:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Longevity folklore[edit]

Please comment about the compromise title longevity folklore (for the longevity myths or longevity narratives article), at Talk:Longevity narratives#Discussion toward consensus. This message is being copied to 4 people. Thank you. JJB 22:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks for suggesting MFD. I was pretty much sratching my head on what to do there. It's at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:E dog95/Toddst1 now. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


I'm sorry the speedy delete tag obviously wasn't the right tag but user has had an article Wali Osman deleted twice and has now recreated it on his user page.

  • 00:07, 2 May 2009 deleted "Wali Osman" ‎ (A7: No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion: , also a bit spammy)
  • 19:50, 1 May 2009 deleted "Wali Osman" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Regards TeapotgeorgeTalk 14:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deleted twice. Different rules apply to a user page though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You moved Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia to Talk:2009 swine flu in Australia[edit]

Did you intend to move 2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia to 2009 swine flu in Australia too? Given the commentary in (now) Talk:2009 swine flu in Australia is tending towards a {{prod}} or an AfD it would probably be better if the article did align with its talk page before either deletion process was started. Mark Hurd (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticiing - I certainly intended to move the main article, not the talk page only! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Bruno Massé[edit]

It has come to my attention that you deleted the article on Bruno Massé. I understand it was deleted last Fall but this here is a 'new' article, different text, new references, and full articles with ISBNs for the titles which, by the way, were re-published in the meantime. The article had been first deleted on the grounds that the author was not notable, yet I believe the author has become notable enough, so you can't just delete it on the assumption others made six months ago. The article is different. Please treat it as such. Tyumop (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The only difference in the referencing is the link to the site selling his books, and the ISSN, nothing actually addresses the concern of the AfD. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Refrence: New article for a public listed company[edit]

Thanks graeme for the feedback; yeah sure i will be collecting more notable info on company, adding some company image (logo) etc. regards --Mansoor.ehsan (talk) 07:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ruben Harris[edit]

Hi Graeme, you declined by article about Ruben Harris claiming that notability had not been established. I'm not sure how there can be a question of notability of a musician that is an established studio musician/musician with major label placements(Island Def Jam)and the album credits to prove it (references). I also saw that you mentioned something about promotional material. How do I make this entry so that its considered information (enyclopedia entry) and not marketing?

Redstarvip (talk) 11:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Notability, Promotional Material, etc.[edit]

Hi Graeme, you declined my article about Ruben Harris claiming that notability had not been established. I'm not sure how there can be a question of notability of a musician that is an established studio musician/musician with major label placements(Island Def Jam)and the album credits to prove it (references). I also saw that you mentioned something about promotional material. How do I make this entry so that its considered information (enyclopedia entry) and not marketing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstarvip (talkcontribs) 11:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Alisha Farrer[edit]

You just beat me to deleting this by about 5 seconds! Anyway, good to see we're both getting some practice using the new tools. Best, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I have only been deleting for a few days, there is nothing to say that another administrator is looking at an article, considering to delete, so I have had quite a few clashes too. The list is short now! You beat me to Cold Bold. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Audofleda[edit]

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I have nominated Audofleda, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Audofleda. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Alexrexpvt (talk) 13:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Survived. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I was ready to add this hangon tag to the file when you deleted it through an edit conflict with me.

{{hangon|This file is in the [[Portable Network Graphics|PNG]] format which is better than [[GIF]] and it should not be replaced. The proposed replacement GIF file should be deleted instead}}

If you agree that PNG is a better format could you please restore this file and delete the GIF version? Thanks. Dr.K. logos 13:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I was considering that possibility, I will restore File:IonianUlogo.PNG so this can be examined more closely. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Both look identical to me what do you think? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes I agree. They look identical. But I always thought that the PNG file was better for technical reasons, therefore i uploaded it in that format last year. User:Lapost replaced it recently with the identical looking GIF file and sent me a message about the PNG file deletion. I think that this action was not necessary and sends the wrong message, by replacing a pre-existing file with a newer file without good reason. That's why I asked you to undelete it. Now I see that Lapost created an identical PNG file and replaced the older PNG file. Don't ask me about the reason of this action :) Anyway thank you very much for taking care of this minor and confusing affair. Take care. Dr.K. logos 17:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Fales material[edit]

The editor claim permission for posting all of them. See her talk p. . I do not know if she has done the necessary OTRS paperwork. I will follow up on this, and make sure that the proper notice is added. 01:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I will decline the speedy deletes then! There would then be not need for me to stub the articles either. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I need some advice[edit]

I have been adding some info to the pages of some Aussie celebs. I have sourced birthday and year details from IMBD. I cited the reference. Now someone is editing out the details and just saying I and IMDB is wrong. here's the thread his comments and mine OK

Can you offer any advice and pointer to page to clarify things for him ? BTW looking as his previous contributions I very much doubt the other party is KAK herself Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 06:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

IMDB is not a reliable source so it is quite possible that it is wrong! Do you have any other sources which verify the details? The best thing to do, after being reverted, is to start a discussion on the talk page. In this case Talk:Kerri-Anne Kennerley. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Yesterday, I posted a new page about the company INTRIX. I realize the copy needs some editing, however, I'm wondering if I can get the coding back for the page. Is that possible? Thank yoU! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmkmf0703 (talkcontribs) 21:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

IMDB and KAK[edit]

Hi Chris, IMDB is not a reliable source, so if some one questions it we should look more for other sources. is on iinet if that helps narrow down that the person is from Australia! I am doubting that Kerri-Anne Kennerley is 59 so that birthdate could well be wrong in IMDB. The person did not claim to be Kerri-Anne Kennerley did they? eg states she was 14 in 1981. Your edit has caused this news story: What is Kerri-Anne kennerley's ageless secret?, we have to be careful with biographies of living people Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC) THANKS Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC) I did not get to see Rove Live so I don't know to what extent they dug into why Wikipedia said it was her 59th birthday, you could have had your name announced on national TV. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

That predates my involvement. I only started editing the KAK article a few weeks ago. The Rove thing happened last year. Your comment about verifying sources raises an interesting point. I would assume IMDB is generally accurate and if a celeb took issue it could be corrected. Mds2954 the other party edtting the article was apparently a journalist interview KAK and used the WP as a reference. She said the date was wrong but as I said to him, did she clarify the date. 23:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Still don't know —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisfromcanberra (talkcontribs)


I have combined the archives into 4 archives, which are about 100kB each and have set up an auto-archive bot AND I have updated the archive box. I would greatly appreciate if you would unrevert the deleted, unused archive pages 5-9, since IF YOU HAD CHECKED archives 1-4, you would have seen that the COMPLETE ARCHIVES ARE THERE. Thank you. --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

OK I will check again, they all seemd to be linked from the main talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. Are you refering to the archive list on the talkheader template, because that will show all the archive pages, until they're deleted, of course? --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Now all deleted. Sorry for the confusion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm also going to tag several redirected archive pages, when I finish cleaning up the "what links here" stuff, so do not panic!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me clean that up and sorry that my actions confused you! Have a good evening, --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
If you have a mass delete that is not controversial, you can also ask me by pasting all the links to me, rather than just tagging them all. But see if I am active if you want immediate action! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't know you could do that, thank you again! Have a good weekend! --Funandtrvl (talk) 06:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Junkyard (band)[edit]

Hello, I was just looking at this and about to remove the speedy deletion tag when you deleted the article. The speedy tag was balatantly inappropriate as the band released five albums, at least two of which were on Geffen records - there is plenty of coverage around, so I would be gratful if you could restore the article so that I can do some cleanup and add sources. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

OK try to fix it- it needs a reliable reference. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
How's this?--Michig (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Could you maybe restore the talk page as well? Thanks.--Michig (talk) 08:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You updated commons:file:H1N1_Australia_Map.svg[edit]

However the stats at 2009 swine flu in Australia don't reflect WA and VIC having no cases and TAS having some. Unless you have more recent information I'd like to revert to my image. Mark Hurd (talk) 07:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry I see you're reflecting [2] which hasn't been linked to the article yet. Mark Hurd (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ness Wadia[edit]

This person's notability is clear. He is very notable, and the article had sources to prove it (correct me if I'm wrong). He is the Bombay Dyeing heir, a successful and well-known businessman, the co-owner of Kings XI Punjab and Wadia Group, and a very much discussed media figure. His notability is very well established, and the article did indicate the importance or significance of the subject (don't really know what was going on the article lately). This person has a major coverage on the net as well, if you just google once you'll see that.

According to the criterion itself, "This criterion applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people and organizations themselves." Another point, "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source." - so this criterion was definitely unrelated here. Speedy dletion was a very big misstep of the editor who added it.

I turned to the admin who deleted it before you, and he restored it upon my request, but before I even came back, the article had already been deleted by you. I want to know what exacly the problem is, and address the required voids if needed. I therefore request you to restore the article. ShahidTalk2me 08:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree actually. He is a notable businessman and in Indian cricket not to metion the extenisve media coverage of him and wife Preity Zinta. Why was this deleted? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It is now redirected to Preity Zinta temporarily, but he is notable for his own achievements. Please redtore it. ShahidTalk2me 15:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

No judgement on the article itself, but as it's been edited by so many editors since 2005, it probably deserves at least a discussion. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have now looked at the article and I believe it did meet criterion A7. The only claims of significance seem to be great-grandson of Mohammad Ali Jinnah and boyfriend of Preity Zinta (in other words, no notability). There were no sources whatsoever on the article, and none in any old version of the page either (as far as I can see - I didn't check all 237 revisions though). However it should still probably get a discussion for the reason I gave above. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe, but the criterion says, "This criterion applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people and organizations themselves." Another point, "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source."
He is a well-known businessman, the Bombay Dyeing heir, a part of the Wadia Group, a co-owner of Kings XI Punjab, a very famous media figure (Maybe mostly thanks to Zinta, but he still gives his own interviews). Many factors are there. Don't know what was and what wasn't present on the article. I'll source it properly though. ShahidTalk2me 16:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
OK I will attempt to restore prior to the redirect. Then it can have claims made that will make it worth keeping. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Well yeh it was quite terrible. Started expanding. Will continue tomorrow. Any opinions? ShahidTalk2me 23:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
You can start with what is actually famous for, as well as his acievements, as you wrote above. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
It sure is looking better now! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
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