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Raipur, Chhattisgarh[edit]

I see you declined the speedy on this article (good call, btw). There seems to have been an ongoing problem with user:VikasJain. I'm assuming good faith and guessing that the user is unfamiliar with the maintenance and CSD tags. I removed all (about half a dozen) of the speedy tags and dropped the user a note, only to come back online alter to see another tag on it. It might be worth an admin explaining CSD policy etc. Regards, HJMitchell You rang? 17:04, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Circumstellar Disks[edit]

I would be happy to help, but this is not my field. I wrote to A.J. Weinberger, and she offered to complete the entry. Hope this is of assistance!

Trosentover (talk) 00:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

image copyright[edit]

I am trying to upload an image. I read the help section and that was very helpful. But I don't know how to create an image description page. say I download the image from a website, how and where do I source that? what about copyright tags?

Thanks 87xy5zf02 (talk) 03:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

So, what if I use my own images? what would the source be? Just scanned at _blank_?

image upload page? 87xy5zf02 (talk) 04:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

re User:Razzinator[edit]

Okay thanks, I gave the user a warning and will monitor further. Cirt (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I have gotten a page related to the Golden Raspberry Awards (commonly called "Razzies") to quality of Featured List, the page is 29th Golden Raspberry Awards. However, Razzinator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)'s pattern of behavior of adding wholly unsourced articles to multiple articles that then has to be removed or changes undone (by multiple other editors including myself) is not limited to just the Razzie Awards' pages, but other pages as well. You think I am uninvolved enough to block him for the continued disruption, as he has already been blocked twice by two other different admins for the same behavior? That's why I reported to WP:AIV instead of blocking myself, as I had worked on one of the pages he disrupted. Cirt (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Would appreciate your thoughts regarding my above query. Cirt (talk) 22:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, got another admin to weigh in and help out with this issue. Thank you for your time! :) Cirt (talk) 12:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


Can I ask what claim of notability you found in SALIN? Ironholds (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Ironholds: my wife is a librarian! (COI alert) :-) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


  • Can I request a longer block? Indefinite, for example. The user has been creating blatant hoaxes, some with minor BLP implications, and not one of their edits have been useful. The user has received repeated warnings, and yet 24 hours is the best she gets? Ironholds (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Have there been any good edits? I will do more checking and may extend if there is nothing good! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Nothing that I can find. Blocks are meant to be preventative - to prevent the user continuing the behavior they were blocked for, whether by scaring the shit out of them or just preventing them from returning (indef blocks). This user crops up irregularly to post this stuff, normally about once a week - a 24-hour block doesn't really work preventatively (the whole "scaring the shit out of them" thing is all well and good, but the ignoring of the constant warnings/deletion templates shows they obviously aren't interested). Ironholds (talk) 04:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Most of the edits that I have seen, look as if they stick around and then get edited by more people. It is all the new creations that get the chop. Those popular TV series are a pain to trawl through the edits. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete move to commons[edit]

Hi, I know you are a picture expert!

In the case of File:Through the Back Door DVD cover.jpg it has two images in the history, but only the latest was moved to commons. What is the correct way to move the old edition (at [1] to commons? Should we give the old edition a new name as it is obviously different? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that would seem to make sense. Traditionally, one uploaded the images in order, oldest to newest, but that's not relevant here. Stifle (talk) 22:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there a special way to tag the image for this, or do I have to take care of it myself? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not aware of any. Stifle (talk) 23:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


I ramped up this guy's block to indef--nearly all of his contribs are either proven or suspected hoaxes. Not the kind of editor we need here. Blueboy96 23:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, user is actually a girl though! There was a fair bit of cleanup then. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Kohli Yuga[edit]

I saw that you declined a G12 on Narendra Kohli, I didn't realize which side the flow of info was. However, I came to this page because of something else on another page - सांस्कृतिक_पुनरुत्थान_का_युग_(कोहली_युग). I put a Prod on that page because I couldn't figure out a speedy tag for it. There's this term "Kohli Yuga" which means "Era of Kohli", and there's no such thing that I'm aware of in Hindi literature. I searched the web for it, and found five pages in total, one was the Wikipedia entry, the second the paper I cited for the copy vio, and the remaining three cited Wikipedia as the reference. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't believe this Kohli Yuga term exists. How does one handle something like this? -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 05:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

ok, thanks, that's kinda what I was going to do, but then in this particular case, it isn't exactly history since they're referring to the current period of Hindi literature, and I read a bit of it, so I'm a bit surprised at this. The whole article seems a bit too spooky, but I guess I'll wait for someone to come by and distinctly disprove it. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 05:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick note[edit]

I just wanted to say thanks for taking care of the lil issue earlier, and yes, it does appear it is a sock of a sock... (You know, socks get lost all the time in the laundry, how is it that on Wikipedia, they actually multiply! :D ) You made the right call on it. ArielGold 07:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


OK, noted. I'll be moving that incident in a jiffy. Blake Gripling (talk) 09:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

IPs reported[edit]

These Ips I have recently reported have been re-adding the same content to the same page all night. I've requested each new IP blocked because they appear to be the same person. I've also requested a page protection of the page in question, but I don't know if that has happened or not.Drew Smith What I've done 10:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I am starting to block. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

File:H1N1 Australia Map.svg[edit]

See File talk:H1N1 Australia Map.svg Mark Hurd (talk) 10:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

With Victoria going to 25 confirmed cases, I've employed the next legend colour so the other languages will need their legends updated: [2] Mark Hurd (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I thought you were fluent enough in those languages or had contacts who were. I didn't actually check to see if it was you who adjusted them. (I.e. you did it efficiently last time.) Mark Hurd (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 Done Mark Hurd (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Revenue assurance[edit]


A short self introduction, my name is Gadi Solotorevsky, I am the chief Scientist of cVidya, a Revenue Assurance software vendor, and I am the team leader of the TM Forum RA team, since the team was founded in 2004.

I am completely new to contributing to the Wikipedia, so I am not sure what the best way to do it is.

I understand that the entry for Revenue Assurance was manipulated by in the past and that is the reason that it is limited for editing. I certainly would like to see it as a non-protected entry in the future.

OK. After saying all that, I propose the following modification, in the article appears

“This may be because the survey used a very strict definition of leakage”

I propose to modify it to

"This may be because the survey used a very strict definition of leakage. The survey measured only actual under-billed and unbilled amounts discovered by the participants; it excluded other types of leakages such as cost leakages and loss of opportunity leakages, and it excluded projected leakage estimations that are commonly used (i.e., what would have been the amount of leakage, if the leakage would not been discovered by revenue assurance activities)."

Thanks Gadi —Preceding unsigned comment added by GadiSolotorevsky (talkcontribs) 11:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Greetings, Graeme Bartlett! First of all I would like to excuse for my huge message, but I need to detaily talk you about my problem. I need a kind administrator’s help. I mean Lucifugum article which was deleted. I found your positive comment at a discussion page and decided to ask for your help. I created this article a year ago (in May, 2008) and everything was ok until User:Blackmetalbaz decided to nominate this article for deletion. It happened on the first decade of this month. Before this he edited this article many times during a year and everything was fine, but suddenly he decided to delete it. To be honest, I don’t understand his motives. It doesn’t seem to me fair and I explain why: there are many articles of the same and even less notability (Diaboli, Clandestine Blaze, Deathspell Omega, Xasthur, Black Funeral, Astrofaes etc). Blackmetalbaz edited some of them, but never nominated it for deletion. Why? No answer. I want you to know that I’m not an aggressive guy, I’m a good boy, but I repeat, motives of Blackmetalbaz are not clear to me. I’m sorry for this, but I have to let you know about it. If you check the history of a deleted page you will see that Blackmetalbaz did everything possible to delete it. He’s a very smart, educated and experienced user, he knows all Wikipedia rules, and it’s very hard for me to prove that he’s very wrong with Lucifugum. This article was deleted via the deleted discussion, but if you read the materials of this discussion (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lucifugum) you will see that just Blackmetalbaz, his friend User:Drmies (who always supports Blackmetalz) and me, Blackpauk_1488, took part in this discussion. This discussion was not objective. I was not able to prove anything to these guys, they didn’t want to listen to me. I think they decided to delete this article despite of everything and at any cost. And they’re successful, because, I repeat, they’re very experienced users, English is their native language (unlike me). As a result, they won, and I’m a loser. But Lucifugum is a notable band, that’s why I want so much this page undeleted. This band released 3 albums on big indie metal labels (Drakkar and BlackMetal.Com). I mean rule #5 of WP:MUSIC. Moreover, there are 13 (!!!) interwikies of Lucifugum. Blackmetalbaz doesn’t wish to see any sign of notability in it (by the way, despite your opinion), but to be honest, I’m not agree with his point of view. This band is well-known in many countries, that’s why there are many interwikies. I think it could be a sign of notability (at least minimal). I sent a request for undeletion, and User:Fabrictramp kindly userfied this article to me at User:Black pauk1488/Lucifugum. But I was so stupid and made many mistakes, because of a lack of experience and problems with English. I try very much to be a good user, but some specific terminology is so hard for me to understand, and my brains work slowly in such cases. That’s why I need so much an administrator’s help (User:Fabrictramp advised me to ask an experienced user to help me). Today I’ve made some corrections at User:Black pauk1488/Lucifugum. Could you please find a few minutes to check for mistakes and to estimate if this band notable? I added a reference to Librarius Metallicus: Unlike Metal Archives, this is not a user modified source, it can be edited only by administrators. I suppose it could be considered a reliable source. HJMitchell has placed a link to this source at a discussion page before this article was deleted. HJMitchell considered this band notable and removed a deletion tag, but Blackmetalbaz immediately reversed it. Why??? I don’t know. If you find this band notable, could you please move this data to a necessary place? I’m so stupid user and don’t know how to do it. I made many mistakes and don’t want to repeat it again. And a one more request. If you recreate Lucifugum article, could you please leave a note at a discussion page that band is notable? Otherwise, Blackmetalbaz will immediately nominate it for deletion again. Only administrator’s opinion will influence him. Sorry for my bad English. I thank you for your attention and hope very much for your kind help.--Black pauk1488 (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I left some messages for you on my talk page. Thank you very much.--Black pauk1488 (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to clog up your userpage. I've left some comments on Pauk's page as well, and have frequently tried to explain why the sources he's using are not reliable. I would like your opinion on something though... the "1488" in Pauk's username is almost certainly a reference to the fourteen words; I usually spot this stuff fairly fast, but this one went over my head. Does a blatantly neo-Nazi username qualify as a no-no under WP:IU? Just curious. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me, and that sounds very reasonable. Assuming Good Faith with neo-Nazis is tricky but obviously the way things should be done. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


I created the entry for the graphic designer Michael Patrick Cronan. He provided a photo which was taken by a mutual friend and which he owns completely. It was deleted by the bot. Please let the photo remain. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribblerman (talkcontribs) 21:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Please can we have deleted page Bebdo back?[edit]

The song in question is traditional and was sung by a well known singer, and had an international ad campaign based on it. I intend to expand the article soon. I feel it is notable enough. Please could you restore it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denzil Simoes (talkcontribs) 07:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism of User_talk:Risker[edit]

Hi, Could it be possible to get a semi-protection of this page? It's being constantly vandalized by a user that is capable of using multiple IPs from different ISPs. It's getting tedious for multiple Huggle users to revert it. It's on unique IP #7 now. Thanks. AeonicOmega talk 07:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Bongwarrior has done it already. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Stupid AIV bot[edit]

The man who laughs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (already indefblocked) needs to have email disabled. I posted on AIV, but the bot removed it before anything could be done.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Mentifisto already fixed this! Sooner than you posting here. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the reply. As I saved this, I realized Mentifisto had done what I requested (he probably got one of the emails, too).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Spoonful james[edit]

Hi, Graeme! Your removal of the article's CSD tag appeared in my watchlist. I would like to let you know that the content in the current revision of the "Spoonful james" article may or may not have been the same content as in the Spoonful James article, which was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spoonful James. Could you please review the revision histories of both articles, and review the AfD? Thank you! Dylan620 (Toolbox Alpha, Beta) 13:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes the same - deleted. previous nom was to delete redirect. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Cherenkov radiation[edit]

Hi. Thanks for the delete and move. Best regards, Crowsnest (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The Nanny[edit]

That's the deletion template I was looking for! The page was so small I turned it into a Wikitable and merged it with "The Nanny". I couldn't find the template you put on there so I just marked it as nonsense, Thank You!

Sought | Knock Knock | Who's There? 17:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you lock the article with title "NABI MISDAQ" for unregistered and newly registered users?[edit]

Dear Graeme Bartlett Greetings!

I am the admin of pashto wikipedia, I am writing to you because recently one of my Afghan compatriot who is living in the US, complained to me about an article written about him in English wikipedia. There are some individuals who are trying to put false information regarding some Afghan personalities. Unfortunately they do this because of the ethnic differences that exist in Afghanistan. Some of the Tajiks of Afghanistan simply hate other Pashtuns because they have some complexes, or some just being used for the interest of our neighbouring countries. They are serious threats for the national unity and interest of Afghanistan. I got an email from a friend of mine Nabi Misdaq that someone has published slander and lies about him in the wikipedia article. And his claim is true, when i saw the histroy of the article. A user by the name KParta had written all the nonsense and rubish that he could come up with.

Now i kindly ask you to lock the article with the title Nabi Misdaq in front of the unregisterd and newly registered users. I have done the same in Pashto wikipedia.

Kind regards

Ahmed Najib Biabani --احمد-نجيب-بياباني-ابراهيمخېل (talk) 20:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly the anonymous contributors are actually assisting in reverting vandalism, and doing non libellous changes. There seems to be no more activity now that KParta has been warned. If KParta does any more I will block him. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan, Farid al Atrash and Golan[edit]

You reverted both my Asmahan and Farid al Atrash edits, listen, The Atrash family is Syrian,

Farid was born in Syria to Syrian parents and later moved to Egypt. Asmahan is his sister. How can the articles call them Egyptians of Syrian origin? This is offensive and a lie. They was naturalized citizens in Egypt.

Golan is by the whole world considered a part of Syria and this is not disputed in any way. To call it "disputed" and that Syria "controlled" it for this many years next to Israeli controll is making the reader believe that Isarel has as much claim to the land as Syria. This is complete lie and not neutral.

The Israeli presence there is Israeli settlements, nothing else, to call them "Jewish communities" is not a Neutral Point of View because they are considered settlements by the UN and every country on earth. Just like the Israeli prescience in the Westbank is an occupation and settlements. not "Jewish communities" in the westbank or former in Gaza. -- (talk) 07:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You seem to have no clue as to what "naturalized citizens" means. Naturalization is the process through which a country bestows its nationality on a person as if that person were a naturally born citizen of it. "Nationality is traditionally based either on jus soli ("right of the territory") or on jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), although it now usually mixes both." ref: Naturalization. You state that Farid and Asmahan were naturalized citizens of Egypt, yet you also state that they were not Egyptian. How odd! ( (talk) 16:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

Initial control[edit]

Pardon me; I misread the opening line as "is an organisation." Sorry for the trouble! ╟─TreasuryTaghemicycle─╢ 12:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

It may deserve a prod, or alternatively a rewrite! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Hello Graeme, i just saw that the page i created relating to data visualization tools have been deleted, but could you reconsider the deletion, or can i recreate another page please?

The reason why i created the page is because that i would like to provide some information on the company, as i have seen many companies have done it and they have been accpeted, for example: When i read what i wrote on the page, i probably wrote it in a promotional way, is it possible to do it again in a more informative way?

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Data-visualization-tools (talkcontribs) 13:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


I have uploaded this set, but there is an error, the Australian Capital Territory has a confirmed case for a couple of days but it is not coloured in red. I can't delete them out of commons, but you may issue another replacement one. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, the fixed version is at: An edit summary saying correction for the capital region can be placed on it. (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Your ACT fixed version is now uploaded too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you need a dayly update as well? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Um... I don't know, depends on how cases progress. Once/if the map is all red, the next update will only be needed when a death is registered. (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Its the one showing count of cases that is changing rapidly. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
That is possible, I'll probably make a derivative of markhurd's map regularly then. (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
We can probably switch out the markhurd map from the articles and get him to maintain the consistent one. The inconsistent one my my idea in the first place. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Restored Pages[edit]

Thank you for restoring the pages on Börje Dorch and Doktor Mugg. I had my students translate these from Swedish to English as part of a class project using Wikipedia. I will fix the mistakes in the articles myself as soon as possible. I apologize if my previous comments or this one are in the wrong place. Thanks again!

Football club logos[edit]

What's this "one author who has requested deletion or blanked the page" about? - Dudesleeper / Talk 02:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok - I'm not crazy[edit]

(at least not this time) Timestamps show that you blocked that IP a minute or so after Samir removed the report as stale... honest mistake I guess, but I'm glad you were on top of it. Thanks.    7   talk Δ |   07:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The emptying confused me for a moment too! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Blocked editor causing trouble[edit]

Hi Graeme, you will probably find that this user that you blocked is also this user (also blocked by User:Rifleman_82) and this user. The last two have identified themselves as Lysdexia in edits (hence the block) and now also here here. Even without the "self-identification", they have to be the same user, given the adversarial and arrogant attitude in edit summaries/talk pages, and the unusual mainspace edits (sheer, liquor etc.). This user is definitely a disruptive editor, and continues to insert obscure words or alterations based on the user's self-professed knowledge of Latin. The user seems unable to adopt accepted words in the English language and in general gets in the way of others. Cheers, Freestyle-69 (talk) 08:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

But these edits are from February, so Lysdexia has moved on from these IPs, there is no more editing happenning from there now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Correct, but this IP is the current disrupter, and is still making edits. The point I'm trying to make is that it is the same user who is still making the same disruptive edits for which he/she was blocked previously. Anyway, up to you. Freestyle-69 (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Deane Sutherland[edit]

Hey, in regards to Deane Sutherland; the rules on bandmembers passing WP:MUSIC are that they must be a member of multiple notable acts, not just one. Ironholds (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Please delete these deprecated redirect project pages[edit]

Dear Graeme, Please delete these redirect pages. They are not in use by the project anymore, they have no links and are not needed. I had tagged one for speedy delete and was declined, I don't know which (db-?) reason I should use to get the job done.

Thank you! --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, the above pgs need to be deleted too, all relevant content is now located at the project's assessment pg. Thanks again. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Mariah Carey articles[edit]

You recently blocked one of these socks, so I draw you attention to this ANI discussion.—Kww(talk) 23:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Amina Synge[edit]


I am sure you were justified in the change you made, but I was hoping for clarification on the rules. If Wikia is GFDL and someone copies their content, don't they have to cite the original authors? If not, it is as if they are passing the content off as their own (plagiarism) and therefore have violated the GFDL conditions. (#2 - #5 are met, but #1 isn't)

Would you agree? If so, what corrective actions can be made?

Kind regards,

--Jamie (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Undeletion of a copyright violation[edit]

If the version of Maude Storey that was created by Jamaica Plains was an unambigious copyright violation, then the identically worded text that you've just restored and placed at Storey is a copyright violation, too. And, indeed, when I compared what you restored against the article whose copyright was reportedly violated, I found find all of the same sentences there in the article, word for word the same as the original, just rearranged into a slightly different order. It was a copyright violation, as originally observed, and I suggest that you delete it again, right away. Uncle G (talk) 01:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I did not restore that version, but the version that I restored was not deleted for CV, but nether the less is too similar to the obituary, so I have deleted it anyway. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Titling an biographical entry[edit]

I wondered if you could clarify something for me.

I have created an entry for a person who was born Edward Albert but who was known as Ted Albert through his adult life. I titled the article Edward 'Ted' Albert but someone has moved it under a new heading Ted Albert. Any thoughts on which form meets the style guidelines? Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 09:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC) Glad I check and Rebecca was right. BTW Any action on the Canberra Wiki front ? Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Canberra suburb articles[edit]

I have added maps and extra content to the Gungahlin suburbs Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 09:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

RMS Rangitata[edit]

Hi Graeme, I spent some time researching this topic. As well as being almost unreadable, there is virtually no facts in the article except that the RMS Rangitata existed -to remove the untruths from its current form would blank the article. While I have no doubt the Rangitata deserves an article (it was one of NZ's main post war migrant ships) I think a SD would be appropriate. Porturology (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I have added a prod tag, I can only really delete blatant hoaxes, not the ones that you have to research to confirm. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Is it protocol for me to remove the distruths (sic), The article will then read "The RMS Rangitata was a passenger liner" Porturology (talk) 11:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Sure, then add a {{stub}} tag and it does not ahve to be deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Thanks, done Porturology (talk) 12:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


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Hi, could you please reinstate the manchester city logo. This seems to have been a very clever vandalism attack. A user created the logo as an svg, then replaced the png logo on all articles. The png was then deleted since it was not used in any articles. Now the svg has been delted, this is an important image in several articles, at least one of which is a Featured article. Paul  Bradbury 22:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Confused - the .svg has been restored, was it the .png that you wanted restoring? pablohablo. 23:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
This appears to have been restored after this request, or my request crossed in the ether with the restoration. All is well now, thanks Paul  Bradbury 23:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I just restored it. File:Manchester City.svg. There is also File:Blackpool.svg File:Charlton Athletic.svg File:Stoke City FC.svg File:Tottenham Hotspur.svg and File:Sunderland AFC.svg deleted on request. Does any one want these back? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes please it seems the same issue has occured in these cases as well. Paul  Bradbury 23:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I have brought some back, but File:Tottenham Hotspur.svg and File:Stoke City FC.svg are excessive in size. Are you in a position to change it? Also those other .svg's will have to be used otherwise will get the chop agin in a week! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks have have reinstated all the logos in the affected articles, I have also removed the delete tags (I think) and added them to my watchlist. I am not able to make the big ones smaller however (not sure how to with svg). Thanks for the help Paul  Bradbury 17:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
looking at what others have deleted there is File:Chelsea crest.svg File:Sunderland FC.svg in the same sort of situation. YOu will have to take of speedy delete tag to indicate that you want to use the ones restored. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The allegation of vandalism looks totally unfounded, instead the .svg files were not fully accurate and the creator wanted to fix them. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi how would you like to create a graph of swine flu cases growth over time for Australia? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean like the one on Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak timeline#graph ? (talk) 08:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes that would be a possible example, The graph could show the Australian total, and the Victorian total increasing with date. Figures could come from: and it sub pages. Another one could be vertical bars that an example is at File:H1N1 virus infection in Mexico 2009-05-06.gif Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'ven't put in real data yet, so it's just a modified version of what was the world representation... Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia/workpage (this may disappear if an overzealous admin deletes it, as I've found that workpages sometimes disappear randomly) (talk) 08:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
That look OK, I wonder can we shrink it in a transcluded box in a div? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Muntu Valdo Page[edit]

Hi Graeme, I am trying to make the page valid but I keep making mistakes, could you please advice me? Thanks KevinKieran (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Graeme, I did add references, Please check history, but XBot reverted them, I am trying to find out why, maybe it was a link that is not permitted. Its complicated, but I believe I will get there.

I am wondering whether it was the reference to myspace that caused it to be reverted, I will try and add back the references and removed the references to myspace. Thanks

KevinKieran (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Toothy the beaver[edit]

Is in fact User:Pickbothmanlol, a banned sockpuppeter.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 03:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

More edit warring breaking out[edit]

Greetings. "Our friend", (talk), that you blocked 6 days ago, has resumed edit warring at the article in question and another, and has been joined (at both) by Supreme Deliciousness (talk). I appreciate the way you handled the previous situation and hope you will not mind if I ask your help once again. Very best wishes. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello. This is "your friend"! I am glad to find this page, and I have a few things to say to you. First, I am new to Wikipedia editing and I am not exactly sure how things work here. What is your role and why is it that you are able to give me warnings and block my access? What is Hertz1888's role and why is he/she able to revert other people's editing without resitriction to suit his/her personal opinions?
On the subject of the Golan Heights. This territory falls legally within the Internationally recognized boundaries of Syria (see: and It was seized by Israel through war in 1967. If there's any truth or credibility to Wikipedia, then International Law must be respected and not the law of Israel; Israel is the only country in the world that refuses to delineate its own borders. The Golan Heights, however, fall within Syria and for Wikipedia to simply identify it as "Disputed Territory" is untrue and is illegal. What are you doing about it?
On the Subject of Farid and Asmahan Al-Atrash, as I have explained in their respective discussion pages, they were singers that hailed from Syria and Lebanon, but emigrated to Egypt as infants where they applied for and were granted Egyptian citizenship and thus became Egyptian citizens. Their entire musical repertoires were in Egyptian Arabic. They lived for virtually the remainder of their lives in Egypt and were buried in Egypt, together with other members of their immediate family. My statement, that they were Egyptian of Syrian-Lebanese origin, is thus absolutely accurate. To deny their choice of homeland that they made during their lifetime is wrong and misleading. To call them Syrian is exactly the same as calling Obama Kenyan! How much more misleading can things be on Wikipedia?
I am not enjoying those so-called "edit wars" either, but it seems that whoever has got more time on their hands, and somehow has reverting rights, is getting their way and spreading their wishful thinking opinions on Wikipedia. If you are a moderator on this forum, then it should behoove you to act to correct the facts and not yield to those with the most nagging voices.
Thanks. ( (talk) 05:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

This is complete lies without substance. Obama was born to an american mother in America. Neither Asmahan or Farid was born in Egypt and they're parents were not Egyptians. They did not emigrate at infants. Asmahan was 5 years old. Farid was 13. Theyre father stayed in Syria. I changed both articles to Arab, but still he kept reverting it. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mr./Ms. Deliciousness, please be a little more respectful and do not use words like "lies". You seem to have a very narrow/localized understanding of the meaning of nationality/citizenship. Bloodline is only one way to be a citizen of a certain country. People make choices in life and citizenship is one thing that people can and do change through immigration and naturalization, and most importantly through their choice of homeland, source of livelihood, and burial place for their remains. "Nationality is traditionally based either on jus soli ("right of the territory") or on jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), although it now usually mixes both." ref: Naturalization. It is clear from the article and your own words on the discussion page that Farid and Asmahan immigrated to Egypt with their mother and older brother and were naturalized as Egyptian citizens. It is unclear if they ever carried the passports of any other country. So, to state that they were Egyptian of Syrian-Lebanese origin is absolutely accurate. Farid and Asmahan immigrated to Egypt in 1923, according to the article, so Farid (born in 1915) was 8 years old and Asmahan (born in 1918) was 5. This is infant age in my view. Farid and Asmahan made their careers in Egypt and chose Egypt as homeland for the remainder of their lives, as did their older brother Foad. They are all buried in Egypt. Foad's son, Faysal Al-Atrash, is Egyptian and continues to live in Egypt. Many families originating in one country have branches in other countries. Many Egyptian families have origins in Syria, Lebanon, or even as far away as Morocco, Greece, and Italy! The Al-Atrash family of Egypt is one such family. ( (talk) 08:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

Lake Burley Griffin[edit]

I saw you talk CAnberra stuff on Chrisfromcanberra's talk. Also, things like History of the ACT, Yarralumla, Canberra are sitting ducks for WP:FAR unless fixed up. I think your knowledge would be invaluable. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where to get refs for most of that stuff YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi, you can probably copy and paste you svg files to Wikipedia talk:Images for upload/svg/xyz where xyz is your choise of name, that will give us a more speedy upload option than that other site you have been using! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems like Wikipedia's servers blow up when I try to do that. I think being over 50kB is causing server loading problems. (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Acquired Dyalexia[edit]

Hi, you started an article Acquired dyslexia, which is the same thing as Alexia I have added a merge comment on both articles. I am currently nominal editor for the Dyslexia project, which is base at the developmental dyslexia article. Currently I am trying to unify all aspects of dyslexia into the existing dyslexia project. Would it be possible to ask those who asked for the Acquired dyslexia article to be created to help in the dyslexia project, and contribute to their area of specialised interest.

dolfrog (talk) 10:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure go ahead and merge it. It was actually contributed by an anonymous IP if you look at the edit summary, and was not my creation. It could just be a redirect then. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Regarding the logo that I submitted for upload (Western Force vertical blue bg.jpg), I do have a version that is cropped down a bit more - should I go through the "Images for Upload" submission process again (I am very new to this). Additionally, the logo submitted conforms to the correct usage guidelines of RugbyWA but if for Wikipedia it is better to be able to see some more of the detail of the logo, I am happy to proceed with the cropped image ( Regards DJ WLP (talk) 11:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Since its fair use, I should be able to upload for you. Without any more formalities. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

HannaGetmix, Chopper2cube, etc.[edit]

More socks pretending to be other users in order to incriminate them (specifically, to incriminate Axmann8). He left an IP address on WP:ANI. It would be interesting to see if that ties in with any known sock farms. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 04:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


OK, Graeme, I am hereby lodging a complaint against Supreme Deliciousness (talk). In the last 24 hours, that person went around undoing every change that I made to every page on Wikipedia. That person is clearly inviting edit wars on all of those pages. I have not responded in kind, but action needs to be taken to stop this childish behavior. That person, also, has been soliciting the help of other Wikipedia users to "Help them" intensify those edit wars against me. Thanks ( (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

He seems to have withdrawn from warring with you and is paying attention to Arab Capital of Culture and Falafel, so SD is now heeding the warning not to war with you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett, please notice how this "" goes around to every single Levantine Arab article and puts in "Egyptian" in the articles without any kind of evidence. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please watch SD on Qatayef, Dabka, Baba ghanoush, and other pages. Very annoying and lacks neutrality. ( (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC))


AfD nomination of Pokémon Moon[edit]

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Australia graph[edit]

Evolution of the Novel Human Swine Influenza A/H1N1(2009) Mexican Flu in Australia [1]

That look OK, I wonder can we shrink it in a transcluded box in a div? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

How small do you want it? (talk) 10:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The big size is good when someone clicks on it, but for inclusion in the article, about one third of the width of the screen is good. It looks much more realistic now with the actual data. Perhaps the numeric figures should be in a column next to the date and not on top of the bars. I attempted experiments on trying to shrink the overall graph, while keeping the numbers, but they were all failures. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Well have a look at the workpage... a "mark 0" small chart is available. (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Trying a transclusion:

Evolution of the
Novel Human Swine Influenza
A/H1N1(2009) Mexican Flu
in Australia


with Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia/workpage

Have a look at Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia/testcases70.29.208.129 (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


Hello, the user has reverted this article 4 times in 1 day, isnt this a violation against the rules? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Report this at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, but you had better report yourself and too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Report myself? I have not violated any rules recently. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Good one, Graeme. I urge you to do something to stop this hostile behavior on the part of those two individuals, who may be one and the same or very closely related. They do not seem to be able to see beyond their feet. They think they have a monopoly on certain cultural aspects that are part of the daily lives of many Middle Eastern peoples. Their edits and reverts are biased and unsubstantiated by evidence. I am asking for third party ruling. ( (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC))

Proposed deletion of Jim Zemlin[edit]

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A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Jim Zemlin, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

Non-notable charity executive.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. MBisanz talk 02:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Question about transwikied redirects[edit]


I see you changed the two pages (Starbucks City Mug & Common Test Cases) into redirects rather than deleting them. That's fine by me, but I was wondering why they weren't deleted. I thought this sort of crosswiki redirects were discouraged and in both cases the full history was imported to Wikibooks. I also informed all meaningful contributors of the new location. Thus, there is no need for such a redirect that I can think of, but maybe you can clue me in. :)

Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

In the past I have been annoyed by articles that were transwikied, and then I could not find them any more because there was no link left in the en wikipedia. The wikibooks could just as well be another web site or a black hole. So if I see it happening I like to make a connection. For both of these topics they are close to being a possible article, so people are reasonably likely to look for them. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I will keep this in mind & put the redirect in place myself in the future when it is reasonably close to being a possible article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Great! It will also stop the article being recreated when the effort should go to a different project. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Castellers de Vilafranca[edit]

Hi I saw your edit in this article - I was involved in discovering copyvio in previus version of this article - as a sysop you should be able to compare how different it's now from deleted version. Regards Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 21:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I will check it out for you. -- It is almost exactly the same, However check this out: [3] Which claims that the same person wrote both and the purported original [4] is a copy of the Wikipedia article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, sorry - I'm used to getting replies on my discussion page :). As I remember I used "wayback machine" to check how the website looked like, and it had text similar to deleted long before Wikipedia article (I might be mistaken, I track copyvios on Polish Wikipedia and could've been confused) but nonetheless - I think that without OTRS permission it shouldn't be kept. Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Argentina articles by quality, et. al.[edit]

Dear Graeme,

There are a few pages in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion for WP:ARGENTINA that are old categories that aren't populated by the template anymore. If you have a chance, please delete them for us. Thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Unwatched pages[edit]

Hi Graeme.

I would like to add some currently unwatched pages to my watchlist, can you help? pablohablo. 09:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Can I email you a block of 1000 names for you to add to your watch list? If it works, then on the next report I can email you another block. The idea is not to paste it on to a web page that any one can see. But for you to spot vandallous or other negative changes! Good luck you are the first to ask me. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes please, it's an interesting idea. pablohablo. 12:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
OK I have sent the first batch. I have stripped the digits off the front and (watch) off the back end, but it is possible that unicode characters are trashed. See how you go with this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Declined speedy[edit]

Please do tell what content there is in 1660s in archaeology? All I see is an empty frame... Fram (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

"The decade of the 1660s in archaeology involved some significant events." I nearly missed this myself and deleted it! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but that's the default text added to every year or decade from 1600 until 2009. "The year 1807 in archaeology involved some significant events." "The year 1999 in archaeology involved some significant events." This is just a template, a framework used to create a large number of articles, most of which (for the older ones) have very little content, and some of them (like 1660s) without any content. Fram (talk) 12:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Prod is the way for these two that don't quite meet CSD F3. But instead of deleting, request the creator to put in some useful facts. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Naomi Elizabeth[edit]

Thanks for attempting to revert this page to its original state following a blatant act of vandalism by 

I suspect that the page may be subject to the same problem again in the future. Is it possible to put a temporary block on this IP address as a precaution? Hhtttt (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I have warned the person, but not blocked yet. Keep an eye on the article and fix it up. It looks as if you will need to improve it, and you should certainly argue your case at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naomi Elizabeth. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much. The user has returned to the page since that warning apparently. I appreciate your help. Hhtttt (talk) 22:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

As of today: The subject of the article has requested that personal information such as genealogy be omitted, because of an outstanding court case regarding a violent stalker, internet impersonator, and copyright violator. There is a fear that public records will be used to locate and potentially harm her or her family. In the interest of physical safety, all other names, aliases, and birth dates besides "Naomi Elizabeth" should be removed until after the trial. Hopefully this is possible. Thanks again, Hhtttt (talk) 16:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have protected the page from IP editors. But the deletion debate is still in progress. She would influence the debate by asking for the whole article to be removed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Qamishli talkback[edit]

at the Al Qamishli talkback I posted a new section at the bottom. Anyway theirs this guy that changed what I had written. He also did the same thing in different posts at the talkback, Please take car of it, ban him or something: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have explained not to do it. You could have done this too by using their talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Syed Ahmed[edit]

I have put the article as an FA please leave comments or suggestions if you can thanks! Bangali71 (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You should have tried for GA first. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


Ok, the next version of the graph is up...

Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak in Australia/workpage (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Oleg Voronin[edit]

I was going to CSD A7 tag this page when I noticed that the history of the page goes back to you (doesn't look like you created it, but you're the first one on the log), and the page has gone down from having some refs etc to just one line now. Any reason for that? Should it be updated? -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thx, I'll ignore it. Looking at the page as it stands today I thought of A7, but then on looking at the history, I realized that it wasn't a good candidate. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Confuzzled Cavalry[edit]

Could you just quickly explain your rationale for keeping Tuna fish sandwich? Cheers! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Images for Deletion[edit]

Hi Graeme Bartlett, User:Mussav uploaded a series of images on Iraqi Football players. However, these images are from the FIFA website and fail WP:NFCC#1 and violate WP:NFC#Unacceptable use, Images, #12. I have discussed the copyright issue with Mussav here and here. Mussav now understands the rules of WP:NFC and WP:NFCC and has asked that the images be deleted. I would like to, in turn, request help in deleting these images (perhaps under WP:CSD#G7). Thanks.

The list of images can be found here - only the images uploaded on June 12, 2009 are applicable.

Thanks, FASTILY (TALK) 05:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I will start deleting! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
All Deleted now Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! FASTILY (TALK) 05:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet warning[edit]

This user:

and this:

Seem to be the exactly same person, the later is continuing the exactly same edits on the same articles as this first, notice that he first tried to ad reference to egyptian here:

First account was this:

and 2 days later the second added the map to the same thing:

Second was this:

On the Asmahan and Farid articles he is continuing with the same language as the previous editor , and even answering himself, trying to make it look legitimate: Look at the "Farid and Asmahan were Egyptian" section. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought there was an IP shadowing you as well. Unless the edits are problematic - ie vandalism, carrying on an edit war, there is no need to do anything. Anyway to support any statetment on this article there needs to be a reference to support it. Is there such a thing? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Well its clearly the same person, and he is answering himself trying to fool people. Doesn't this deserve some kind of punishment?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

No it is just silly, and it is like children talking to themselves pretending to be two people. Since you already remarked on it in the talk pages, the person who sees if consensus is established can see that it is stil the same disagreement. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I didn't know how to handle it.--Enerelt (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I will not stoop down to the tactics of Miss Deliciousness (since she implies that she's not anonymous, then that's probably her real name). Miss Deliciousness does not seem to realize that interjecting her blurbs between already posted contributions detroys the chronology of the thread and just lacks courtesy!
In any case, please see the official STATE INFORMATION SERVICE website of the GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT. The Egyptian Government lists Farid Al-Atrash as one of the country's prominent EGYPTIAN FIGURES (see: The website states that Farid left Syria with his mother (and as it is well known, also with his siblings Fouad and Asmahan) "at a small age". The Wikipedia Article itself states that Farid and Asmahan immigrated to Egypt at ages 8 and 5, respectively, and were naturalized as Egyptian citizens. They lived for the rest of thier lives in Egypt (except for Asmahan who was briefly married in Syria before returning home to Egypt) and all are buried in Egypt. Virtually ALL of their musical work was created in Egypt and in the Egyptian dialect.
Since the Governemnt of Egypt declares Farid (as it did also his mother and siblings) as an Egyptian Figure, on par with Egyptian Giants Mohamed Abdel-Wahab and Umm Kolthoum, then my statement in the article that Farid and Asmahan were Egyptian of Syrian-Lebanese origin is absolutely and entirely accurate.

Please see also the abstract of an academic research paper from Cleveland State University and University of California, Berkeley
"Building a Man on Stage - Masculinity, Romance, and Performance according to Farid al-Atrash
by Sherifa Zuhur (see:
"This article explores the life and career of male singing star, instrumental talent, and Composer Farid al-Atrash, who created a prototype of the romantic male musical star from the 1930s until his death in 1974. An immigrant to Egypt and a member of a distinctive religious sect, the Druze, he arose from poverty and the invisibility of the previous generation of musicians thanks to his talent, ambition, and investment in his own film productions. A lifelong bachelor, he constructed a popular image with references to the authentic Arab Islamic poetic/historical past and an idealized version of modernity. Tales of his love affairs enhanced his popularity during his lifetime and were seemingly merged with the lyrics of his love songs. From Arabic sources, the author attempts to uncover the psychological rationale of a man whose life goals were shaped by his mother, who was overshadowed by his sister, and who consciously elevated music making to a professionalized art form.
"Key Words: masculinity • Arabic music • Druze • popular performance • Islamic culture • Farid al-Atrash"

Even Syrian website "Damascus Online" (see: states that Farid and Asmahan moved to Egypt in their childhood and makes no mention that Farid ever returned to, let alone lived in, Syria afterward.

Finally, Graeme, please allow me to quote you personally. You stated: "I must agree that it makes more sense to call Farid al-Atrash Egyptian!" (see:

Therefore, my statement in the article that Farid and Asmahan were Egyptian of Syrian-Lebanese origin is absolutely and entirely accurate. I ask that you please restore the Farid al-Atrash article to my latest revision. Thank you. ( (talk) 12:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC))

AMDiS listed as a Stub[edit]

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I have noticed your recent edits to AMDiS. You have added the {{stub}} template. This is fine and your contributions are appreciated. But in future, to aid in the expansion of articles, such as this one, please use a more specific stub template. A list of stub templates can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/List of stubs. Thank you. -- Patchy1(talk) 10:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wwesocks[edit]

I saw your questions there, and I personally don't see how any of them pertain to adminship, except the fair use question. The Award Center has been deleted for months upon months now, so that's a pretty irrelevant question.  iMatthew :  Chat  13:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The questions are relevant to the candidate, and will demonstrate whether the relevant policies are now understood, and how they can be explained. One of the jobs to do is motivate people, but what is a good way to do that? Is Wikipedia a fun place or more serious? This is to explore these points of view. Don't expect them to become standard questions! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted my Google SatView Photo[edit]

You recently deleted an image I had uploaded from a cropped Google Maps Satellite image. While I'll admit this was my first ever attempt at uploading a photo, I may have not ingested all the CR info here on wiki. However, I thought that Google Maps is obviously free to use for anyone, and if I 'screen cap' it, then edit the photo by cropping, zooming or rotating, something about that file makes it inherently mine. I could not find anything under the description for uploading photos, other than "screenshot", which is obviously what this originated from. Now, if it is in fact a CR violation to use anything Google related, then I accept that. However, if I can make it work, please let me know how to make it work. I thought this photo especially was vital for my article and it was really neat to show how something that was there 20 years ago can still be seen in some form. But now my article is in jeopardy as I have to prove its notable and get some references! --Token2k6 (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Page moves[edit]

Could you please move WWE Extreme Rules to Extreme Rules (2009). And also WWE One Night Stand to WWE Extreme Rules. Thanks wwesocks 01:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Moved, please remember to fix the fair use rationales for the images! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Could you move them back? There is no consensus at all to move them and this user has never brought up the discussion. Extreme Rules is part of the One Night Stand line, but there is no evidence that every future event will be named it. In fact, past discussions have support keeping them at their previous names. I have also started a move request to until the move you did with The Bash. Did you take a look at discussion pages? This move seems like one of those shady deals they do in Congress where they introduce a controversial bill on Friday night since they know most people won't be paying attention. Wwesocks knew these various move requests would get objections if he made them on the move request page (which is what he was supposed to do). TJ Spyke 14:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I concur, Wwesocks is assuming that both The Bash and Extreme Rules will happen again when there is no evidence of both of them returning for 2010.--SuperSilver901 20:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
OK they are moved back! Perhaps the WP:Proposed moves should have been used. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Aussie graph[edit]

Ok, I moved the graph from the work area to a proper template area.

In addition, this now has a navbar for view/talk/edit, so it gives you the popup view of a larger graph, since if you click view, it will bring you to the subpage and the large graph exists on it. (talk) 06:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks it seems to work OK! Though we would call it another name other than sandbox, perhaps graph and take out the talk. 2009 flu pandemic in Australia/graph What do you think? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that would be better. Contributions/ (talk) 09:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Chris Velan[edit]

Hi Graeme, you recently deleted my entry on Chris Velan due to Unambiguous copyright infringement of and and others. When I first saw the "speedy deletion" notice, I fixed a few things that I thought were the problem, but obviously there was more. Can the page be restored so I can fix anything else that is in violation? I see the issue with reverb nation although I'm not sure what the "others" refers to. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaurenNewSong3 (talkcontribs) 15:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Need help[edit]

Hello, I need help with the Egyptian troll again:

In the Hala Gorani article he removed that she is Syrian-American and he claimed that there was no source (source was indeed clearly there) I told him this on his talkpage that there is a source and reverted the article, and he reverted it again:

On the Stephan Rosti article I added a link from imdb showing he is Italian, he changed it to that he is Egyptian without any source (my source is still there):

On the Omar Sharif article I provided a source showing he is of Syrian descent, he removed it:

Please ban this guy. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you gonna do something or not? he is deleting sourced information and adding a lot of text without references! --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Graeme, please see, especially the "Israeli culture theft" section, among many many other pages including SD's own user talk page, where SD is proving to be unfit for Wikipedia. Please note his insulting "troll" comments.
SD has so far failed to fulfill your request to prove that Farid al-Atrash was Syrian when adult. Please see my own arguments on this page in the "Sockpuppet warning" section, above. It is high time that you please revert the Farid al-Atrash page to my last revision and block it there. Thanks. ( (talk) 09:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC))


I may have done this upload at the same time as you perparing a new one. Is the current map what you want? Also it is very likely that cases in Victoria are 8000 or so, but testing and showing results have stopped there. What do you think we should od in this situation? Another update is due in an hour, and I expect SA and ACT to need a colour change. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this comment. As for SA - it was set for 50+ in my update. ACT is set for 50+ in my currently pending update. For Victoria... as long as there's no reputably sourced number for 5000+ I don't think the colour should change. The article can say that there are likely ~8000 cases. (talk) 04:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


I just wanted to say thank you. I've been here for the better part of a decade, and joined with a username 3.5 years ago, but before this April had only made 16 edits. I made two at the beginning of the month, and you must've noticed me and then sent me a welcome message, which really convinced and inspired me to cut down my very heavy reading and put some of that time and energy into editing. It's way too much fun, and two and a half months later and I'm still around! Thanks again, ~ Amory (usertalkcontribs) 05:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Fair Review & Third-Party Ruling Requested[edit]


I ask that you please review the practices of User Supreme Deliciousness and take action accordingly. SD's edit warring, not just with me but with numerous others, SD's arguably racist comments as other users have asserted, SD's repeated complaints for exactly the same behavior that they pursue, SD's name calling, e.g., troll, lies, etc., and SD's emotional involvement with their ethnic origin that goes beyond any degree of tolerance or courtesy are not acceptable. Please see my response to Xeno on this page for details(

I also ask for third-party ruling on the article of FIRST dispute with SD: Farid al-Atrash (

Thank you. ( (talk) 04:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC))

  • Graeme, I gather you're on this? I don't have the patience to sort it out - I'm not good in ethnically charged disputes. –xenotalk 12:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Well I'm not really a neutral party, I have already said what should happen, some kind of good behaviour. I got involved because I issued warnings and did block one who was involved. I am biased to saying Farid_al-Atrash was an Egyptian, and keeping inflammatory language out of the articles on Golan Heights etc. The food edit wars are silly. At least the disputants are writing on the talk pages, although I don't see any consensus developing. My talk page is one of several venues for discussion or lobbying. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)