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Looking for suggestions[edit]

Hey.

I noticed you were on my article (it's fine you wiped it earlier I was still working on it.) I'm going to be busy today and so I don't have time to write up everything about Streets of Rogue, I have more information but right now I'm worried about if the article has too many flaws. Not that I need the help but I was wondering if you had any suggestions.

Thanks. --Someguywithamouse (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Someguywithamouse. If you don't have time to work on an article to the point where it at least has one or two references included, then it is usually an idea to start it in your sandbox first, and then publish it once you can flesh it out a bit more. You may be interested in this search, which is custom made Google search type by Wikipedia editors specifically to find reliable sources for video games. Looks like there's quite a few to choose from. GMGtalk 19:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo Alright, I'll be sure to check that out later.

I just got back from a long trip and have been thinking about some things to add to the article, although it was just deleted so maybe I'll grab my backup and try writing a template in the sandbox.

Thanks for the tip.--Someguywithamouse (talk) 00:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

No worries Someguywithamouse. Deb may even be willing to restore it to your sandbox so you can work on it there for a little while. GMGtalk 00:59, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo You don't have to, I'm currently copy/pasting from a backup I made on the Wayback Machine and I'm going to try to improve upon that one. I'll repub it when I've made today's edits. --Someguywithamouse (talk) 01:02, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Just keep in mind Someguywithamouse, that notability on Wikipedia is all about the sources. So your first job is to demonstrate in your article that there is significant coverage in sources, and then to use those sources to build your article with, without going beyond what they say, and what you can prove using them. GMGtalk 01:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to remember to add some citations later if I can. I already found a review from Rock, Paper, Shotgun and was going to comment something on it but I think I'll wait until I have a good way of describing it. I already have a *slightly* modded article on my sandbox but it's barely improved, I've mostly been working on the formatting. I'll try and work on it later this month if possible.

Also changed my signature, incase you don't recognize me. CommanderApparition 03:26, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

How to reverse a deleted article?[edit]

If an article I created was tagged for a speedy deletion in the English Wikipedia because it was included on Wikipedia too soon how do I reverse the deletion if I feel there's enough reliable resources for this article.. This is the article: ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sibusiso Mashiloane). Bobbyshabangu talk 08:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Bobbyshabangu: That was not "speedy" deletion but regular deletion. If you believe there is new information that allows for an article, especially significant coverage in reliable sources that appeared after the article was deleted, you are free to recreate it with that information. If you are unsure, you can use the article wizard to guide you through the process of creating a draft that will then be reviewed by an experienced editor. Regards SoWhy 10:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Anne Hazen McFarland[edit]

Hi, and thanks for collaborating on Anne Hazen McFarland and other articles. I was wondering about this edit. How did you sort out that Category:Transylvania University alumni should be added? --Rosiestep (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Kentucky University was the prior name of Transylvania, changed in part because it was too similar to the University of Kentucky when UK was born. But if you see 19th century sources refer to Kentucky University, they're almost certainly talking about Transy. UK didn't become UK until 1916. Also I may or may not be a UK alum. GMGtalk 16:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, GreenMeansGo! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Epiphany[edit]

de la Cruz has no family, and he's on no one's ofrenda. That's why he's in the Land of the Dead on Día de Muertos throwing a party and hosting a concert instead of visiting his relatives. He can't be seen in public being turned away at the gate, because although everyone "remembers him", no one really does. Dear parents of small children who have also watched this movie more than 50 times, you're welcome. GMGtalk 22:49, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

So your kids have gotten to the age of of binge watching the-same-goddamn-movies for an entire weekend until you know every little nuance by heart? Welcome to the club. My 5-year-old has been watching the same Backyardigans DVD since he turned 4. Every. Goddamn. Day. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh yeah. It's Snowman, CoCo, and Mwana all day long. GMGtalk 23:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I found a solution to that today, in case you're interested. Teach them to play Dungeons & Dragons, and encourage them to act out their character. There's nothing more hilarious than watching a four-year-old heave a foam Minecraft pick over his head and bellow "Die, foul creature!" in his "deep"est voice before bringing it smashing down on a toddler-sized stuffed Mario standing in for a goblin. I can't wait for the look on my wife's face when he tells her about how he bathed in the blood of his foes. Of course, I'm willing to be a bit of a masochist in service of my sense of humor, so your mileage my vary on that last one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:04, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure one of my biggest fears is that my daughter will get super into sports and join the military. That makes me think that maybe I should encourage her to be super into sports and join the military, because by the time she becomes a teenager, she'll want nothing more than to do the opposite, because that's what teenagers do. GMGtalk 03:36, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
If that doesn't work, make her get a degree first and go to OCS. No sense in her working for a living if she's gonna sign up. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I...got my degrees first and enlisted OCS...and then decided before I even went that I didn't particularly care for getting shit on for an extended period of time, and just decided to class 42A, because I'd been told my whole life not go infantry or artillery, because there is no civilian career path for infantry or artillery. So the two things I never wanted to do when I was a child were to go to basic training and to go to prison, and I've gone to basic training and gone to (worked in a) prison. The goal is to drive her away from all that if possible :P. GMGtalk 04:05, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
In other news, on the topic of epiphanies, it occurs to me, having smashed the living shit out of my thumbnail today, which I'll almost certainly lose now, that there is likely an evolutionary advantage for humans retaining their mostly useless fingernails, because they make it hurt like unspeakable things when you smash the living shit out of them. So it guards the tips of our fingers which are likely to be important for our survival. GMGtalk 04:22, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I only wish I had been intelligent enough to listen to people telling me that there's no civilian career track for a former combat MOS. I could have been doing my current job (programming for geospatial software development) for the past 12 years instead of only the past 2. Hell, the recruiter was even pushing for me to pick up up a 17- or 25- MOS. But nooooo, I wanted to be a little badass. Lest you recall those PMCs that supposedly paid top dollar; two of my buddies went that route, and they're both doing semi-skilled labor now. PMCs only pay top dollar during wartime, and only for certain positions. The rest of the time, they pay pretty much exactly what you'd expect for a glorified rent-a-cop company.
Also, having lost two thumbnails thanks to my inexplicable habit of not always looking before hammering, I can sympathize. I have learned a trick however: if you flip your hand over while holding the nail so that your palm faces up: when you miss it still hurts like hell, but it stops hurting sooner and you generally don't lose the nail. Of course, that only helps when hammering. There are many many ways to smash the crap out of your thumb without hammering. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:30, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Well my dad was field artillery. So I at least had that advantage. He went from supervising tactical nuclear artillery rounds for training with the German Army, to managing a Pizza Hut. Almost ended up in Italy. I almost grew up in Italy, but he signed his agreement not to reenlist about two weeks before they offered him the position, and he couldn't take it. Ended up retiring with 14 years active duty and another 15 in the National Guard.
As to my thumb, the better trick is to probably make sure you have enough gas for your nail gun before you start a project, so you don't have to use a hammer at all. BTW if you haven't invested in a nail gun yet, they're 150% worth it. I've got two for studs and one for finishing nails. GMGtalk 17:47, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I didn’t know there were places left in Lower Kalikaky that still lacked corrugate, magnets, duct/duck tape, and cheap shims, some combo of which will almost always save the thumb. Qwirkle (talk) 20:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm from south Florida, where we live under the iron fist of the Miami-Dade building code. I think the only thing left that we're allowed to nail without getting smoked by an inspector is roofing shingles/tiles. So my battery drills get a lot of mileage (Dewalt for the serious stuff and Black & Decker for the indoor, Honey-Do stuff). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:17, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Eww. There's a civil-libertarian part of me that cringes at such a strict building code. There's another social-democrat part of me that says it's probably necessary given massive natural disasters. There's another entirely cynical part of me that says "Don't live in Florida. You realize that entire state is going to be gone in 50 years right?"
Unfortunately, screws are no substitute for finishing nails when it comes trim. I actually took a table saw and plainer and made a truck full of ~3/8 in. by 2 1/2 in. boards, because for some reason at Lowes the smaller the piece of wood you buy the more expensive it is. But a screw will split that down the middle every time, and look like crap besides. GMGtalk 23:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────One of the Conservo-Liberhoovian think tanks, Heritage Foundation, IMS, did an economic study on the impact of building codes in Florida. They found it to be a net positive, and, to their credit, the published it with as much fanfare as if it had confirmed their expectations.

Within a year or three after the last disaster, the homebuyers almost completely ignore the building standards, and concentrate on the stuff they understand, like paint color. So do an unfortunately large number of home inspectors, real estate agents, &cet.

IMS, The M/D codes do allow nailing for most connections, if you want to pick a fight over it, but I can understand why the inspectors hate them, especially for builders they aren’t familiar with (like most DIY homeowners and landlords.) A 10d and a 12d look the same when driven, and it’s not like you can just back a few out to check. For that matter, it’s hard for a lot of people to tell an 8d from them, it’s only 1/32” smaller. From memory, and worth every penny you paid for it...and besides, the last thing you ever wanna do is deliberately antagonize an inspector... Qwirkle (talk) 23:53, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I kindof start from a position of civil-libertarian and let my social-democrat side argue against it and then just go with whomever has the best argument. Places like Haiti come to mind as places with no building codes really at all. Not a great example to emulate really. But I also come from a place in the world with almost no natural disasters, inland and insulated as we are by a mountain range. The flip side to that is that we have endemic poverty fueled by the high cost of land development, because there are almost no flat spaces here. GMGtalk 00:57, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
In the case of Florida not that long ago, it was a sort of natural testing ground. Cities had expanded into unincorporated areas, so you had buildings sold to almost identical demographic pools, with different building codes running from strict to none, and different, and documentably so, in retrospect, enforcement standards. So, you had stuff built to stiff code in towns with meaningful enforcement, to stiff codes with lax or crooked enforcement, and so on, all the way to buildings based entirely on the builder’s judgement on what was safe...or saleable. The unfettered market didn’t do so hot in that case. Qwirkle (talk) 01:23, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not a libertarian, in the sense of idealistic, almost moronic some might say, belief in the virtues of the free market. I'm libertarian in the sense that I recognize that the free market is one of the most powerful self-organizing forces in the history of our species. I'm civil-libertarian in the sense that I fundamentally don't trust government. I take an automatically antagonistic view of of government intrusion into individual liberty. For example, I support gay rights, but I support gay rights from a fairly conservative view. I don't think the government has a place in telling people how to live, period. At the same time, I'm pretty leaning toward single payer health coverage in the US, because...you know...data. And the data shows that it improves outcomes overall, and the inefficiency of bureaucracy is less than the profit margin of more efficient businesses.
I don't rent on HUD, because HUD in my case encourages me to rent sub-standard housing that only ostensibly meets their building codes. When I'd rather rent something I'd live in myself. The place I was working on today doesn't have screens on all the windows, which is a HUD standard. I could take a staple gun and a sheet of screen and fix that, and it would look like crap, but it would meet their standard. But that's not something I want to give to someone, because it's not something I would want to live in myself. GMGtalk 01:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I was exaggerating about the screws, but it turned into an interesting back and forth between you two, so I'm not gonna correct myself. The only problem with the Miami-Dade code -from a builder's POV- is that it's exhaustive. None of the actual standards are all that unreasonable, once you consider what it takes to survive a hurricane. But in order to be MD compliant, you can't meet 85% of the standard, or even 95% or 99%; it's either 100% or it's not MD compliant. And that means if you want to be MD compliant, you're going to have to sit there and take it while an inspector critiques your caulk beads, because they're not quite protruding 3/16" in that one little corner that you have no idea how to fit a caulking gun into, anyways.
As for political philosophies, I'm pretty much on board with what's been said here. Or, as I used to put it: "Half liberal, half libertarian, all sex machine." ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Whachu gotta remember is that codes aren’t supposed to be aspirational, they’re a minimum standard. Meeting code is, in academic terms, a “D”; nothing to brag about, but just adequate. That said, I know what you mean about standards that are set regardless of whether their is a practical way to meet them. Some of the trade organizations are pretty good at suggesting working detailing, as are some of the manufacturers, but a lot of stuff falls between two stools, because nobody’s money is riding on it. Qwirkle (talk) 14:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, I'll tell you one thing that rustled my jimmies. My dad built basically his dream home when he retired. Six bedroom two story log cabin with a massive garage in the middle of nowhere on the side of a ridge. A real "go deer hunting from your kitchen window" kindof place. When he had the electrical inspected, he had to replace probably somewhere upwards of 150-200 electrical outlets, because of this crap that's been adopted by like 30 states. We've done this because apparently six to 12 people per year are killed by sticking objects into outlets. (In comparison, about 3,500 people die each year in non-boat related drowning...So basically swimming pools.) I really don't see how that's an issue where we really need a widespread public policy response to address something that can be solved by a five-dollar child proofing kit at Wal-Mart. They're website is like "it's only about fifty bucks per home". I just want to shake them and say "That's ten times more expensive than an already widely available solution to the same problem."  GMGtalk 15:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I hope he gave the requisite amount of grief to the electrical supplier; big-box stores are notorious for not noticing that the stuff they are selling is a local code violation. Yeah, mandating those is more a case of regulatory capture than good sense, IMO. Qwirkle (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Whachu gotta remember is that codes aren’t supposed to be aspirational, they’re a minimum standard. Meeting code is, in academic terms, a “D”; nothing to brag about, but just adequate. I actually agree with this. You gotta watch those internet conversations: sometimes people are being hyperbolic for humor's sake. They don't really mean the things they were bitching so much about and it's not obvious because, well, internet.
Well, except for the caulking bead that resulted in a failed inspection for a house me and my dad worked on for two months back in the '90s. Seriously, fuck that inspector and the mustache he rode in on. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if you all listen to Freakonomics Radio (you totally should). But they did an interesting piece a while back on child safety seats that breaks along those lines. Basically, that for children over the age of two, the difference between a seat belt and a safety seat was so statistically marginal compared to the massive difference in cost, that there's no real public safety benefit for mandating them, when you could spend that $100-500 on basically any other safety device in a child's life and save more lives on average. The problem was, near 100% of people in the US drive personal vehicles, and so even with a statistically insignificant difference, you still wound up with plenty of parents to cry in front of legislatures and get the mandates passed. But statistically, most children who die in car accidents die in such comparatively horrific accidents, that the only appreciable difference is between no restraint and some restraint, and children over two who die while wearing a seat belt, would have almost certainly also died had they been in a safety seat. GMGtalk 16:37, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I get that there’s a little hyperbole, but it’s also writing about real issues, some of which even belong a little more in some articles.
I used to hang in a Usenet group that was also inhabited by Milton Friedman’s kid. Bad policy trade-offs were discussed with disgusting regularity, even when they didn’t need to be...no, especially when they didn’t need to be. I can run through the usual suspects in my sleep, whether I wanna or not.
Re “some articles”, is there anywhere worthwhile discussing this sort of meta-Wiki thing off-Wiki, except for IRC these days? This is screwing up my edit count, it is. Qwirkle (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Not really. It's IRC all the way down. That or something like the site that must not be named. Also, you must shed your worldly sinful attachment to edit counts. That is the path to suffering, and only beyond it may you achieve wiki-enlightenment. GMGtalk 17:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Ah. Here's a head-scratcher for you that's totally off the political radar. Polygamy, or polyandry, or whatever the correct terminology is. I really have a problem not seeing that as exactly the same type of cultural fascism as Kentucky passing a constitutional amendment (because apparently a law wasn't good enough) saying that gay marriage is wrong, and so the government is going to legally prevent two consenting adults from entering into a voluntary contractual relationship, because they both happen to be dudes. So... If you and your spouse want to have a live-in sex slave a la Gimp from Pulp Fiction...totally legal...make sure he files taxes as a contractor if you pay him anything. You decide for whatever reason, religious or no, that you want to bring in a third party as an equal, and pledge to honor and cherish each other as long as you three shall live? That's immoral and we must have laws against it. I'm pretty sure it all goes back to anti-Mormon hysteria, if I'm not mistaken. But in 2018 it all seems very silly. GMGtalk 11:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Polygamy: the state of having multiple wives.
Polyandry: the state of having multiple husbands. So you were correct on both counts.
I'm right there with you. I used to be opposed to it (because all you see of it in popular culture is polygamy with women in a subservient role and I'm a feminist), but someone on the internet literally argued me into changing my mind. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Thing is, it makes so much sense it would probably never get political traction. I would fully expect opposition from the right because sanctity of marriage, and opposition from the left because many would see it as exploitative and patriarchal. GMGtalk 12:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Yup, pretty much. It's a deeply ingrained cultural taboo here in the West. The fact that we all know there's a small group of our own doing it just makes it that much more scandalous.
To be fair, I also support the end of all (and I do mean all) contraband laws, the legalization of prostitution and drugs and the imposition of taxes on religious organizations. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Eh...I'm not that libertarian. Prostitution yes, because it seems like actually the best way to empower and protect sex workers is to legitimize them out of the black market. Taxing churches? I don't really see how you can do that without a constitutional amendment, and not run into establishment clause issues, but I probably follow a fairly extreme interpretation of the establishment clause that maybe the courts wouldn't agree with.
Contraband...I think there's probably a happy medium there. Meth should never be ingested by anybody. It also blows up occasionally when people with a GED try to make it. I could totally get on board with pot and psychedelics. I would fully expect that alone to take enough pressure off the black market where people will just opt for cheaper, safer, more easily accessible drugs in lieu of sticking a needle in your arm or smoking something some guy cooked in his basement. Also there's a good argument (Joe Rogan makes fairly well actually) that psychedelics can be considered a type of secular religious experience, or a kind of socially neutral spiritually. Which to be honest, if a guy shows up at your door and wants to talk about God, most people are going to politely decline. If a guy shows up at your door with a pocket full of psychedelics and wants to talk about God... a lot more people are going to be more sympathetic. GMGtalk 12:58, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
For taxing churches, it'd be more not giving tax exempt status to churches, I guess is what MPants means; I'm meh on that. Meth definitely shouldn't be ingested by anybody, but it isn't clear that making it illegal is the best way to do that. It shouldn't be legalized, but it should probably be decriminalized based on say the results of say what Portugal has done. I'd probably support decriminalizing all drugs and legalizing anything that isn't as bad as alcohol (which is a lot when you consider that alcohol is pretty deadly) Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hey, if churches earn money, churches pay taxes, just like everyone else. Church-based charities (that actually do charitable work) would be exempt, of course. That's the opposite of an establishment clause issue. Lots of legal experts have said that our current "religious organizations pay no taxes" is itself a violation of that clause. Few argue that it's not, with most supporters claiming it's in our best interest to allow it as an exception. Even those that do argue that it's not a violation due so using a "well, technically..." argument, pointing out that it doesn't matter what religion you are, you get the same benefit.
Re contraband; I once convinced a liberal anti-gun person (a very thoughtful and intelligent one) that private ownership of nuclear weapons could be a good thing. It was a formal debate, and she approached me afterwords to tell me that I'd won over not just the (small) audience, but her as well. Basically, I did so by arguing that regulation should be used in place of bans. By imposing strict requirements upon people owning objects and materials currently considered illegal, we allow for the economic exploitation of those materials. Regulation can be as light as "you can't bring it in a courtroom," for a switchblade or as heavy as "you can 'own' it, but that only really means anything on paper, the state or some other qualified entity will still have near-complete control over the thing you own," for nuclear weapons or endangered animals and such. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Well results from Colorado re opiate overdoses is certainly encouraging. I mean it makes sense. If you are the type to overdose on opiates...you're probably not the most industrious person on the block. So do you hunt down your drug dealer and pay higher prices for opiates? Or do you go to your corner store and get a joint and a six pack of beer for half the price? To me, that's the market doing what the criminal justice system can't. Just, make it the rational market driven choice for drug users to use better drugs. GMGtalk 13:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Oops. Missed the last comment. As to weapons, I really don't understand why the left and the right can't both get on board with a licencing requirement that is a least as strict as a drivers license. Have you all taken a concealed carry class? It's a total joke. Three quarters of the class is basic marksmanship training of the type everyone should have before they own a weapon. If you really need someone to tell you to line up the back-doohickey with the front-whatsit in order to aim...you shouldn't own a gun. GMGtalk 13:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I have a CCW, and always have a Browning Hi Power in 9x19 on me or in my car (more often in my car, because I know what the odds are that I'll have a good reason to use it vs the odds that I'll wrongly think I have a good reason to use it), and you are preaching to the choir, man.
I've signed at least a dozen petitions to drastically raise the requirements of a CCW in Florida. I think that to get yours, you should meet all of the following requirements:
  • Have taken (and passed) a graded gun safety course.
  • Have spent a minimum of 60 hours on a shooting range, and be able to group 5 rapid-fire shots in an 18" spread, and be able to group 5 paced shots in a 9" spread at 20 meters.
  • Be CPR certified.
  • Have taken (and passed) a GSW-focused first-aid course.
  • Have taken (and passed) a graded gun laws class.
  • Have no felony convictions, or have had them expunged by a judge.
For the life of me, I don't understand why people think "just make em register" is a good enough approach to license people to carry concealed firearms in a society where the vast majority of people are unarmed, the vast majority of the time. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Sheesh. Register? You don't even have to register a firearm in Kentucky. And the only thing you need to open carry (which is retarded) is a pulse. But yeah. All the above. If the NRA got behind that... like... actually lobbied for common sense gun laws, they'd get my membership in a heart beat. But the people to the right of the NRA, the people who should know the most about firearms, apparently think that "pry it from my cold dead fingers" is a rational public policy position. Of course the response from the left is progressively working to ban types firearms and accessories, because the people who should be the ones giving them the reasonable centrist alternatives are doing basically nothing. And in the end nothing gets done whatsoever and everyone just convinces themselves the other side are all idiots.

I'll tell you what legitimately scared the crap out of me, was that black guy who was killed by the officer (it's hard to keep them straight any more) who had his concealed carry, and took every. single. step. you are taught to do if you're pulled over with a firearm. Hands on the wheel, "sir I have a firearm in the vehicle", whole nine yards by the book. And coming from someone with military plates and a big wounded warrior sticker on the back window of my truck, I still 100% took my pistol and put it up that day. Like "I do not what to be that dude, and apparently doing the right thing doesn't matter". GMGtalk 14:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

It was Philando Castile, and that scared me, too. I just erased about four paragraphs of me going on about how cops shooting black people makes me depressed and terrified for my own family (we're white, for the record, but still) because I realized I was really going off on a tangent. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Why do I get the feeling that Chesterton’s gate has run off with Thoreau’s toenails? Qwirkle (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I feel like maybe I need a translation from British. GMGtalk 16:23, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Nah. For the Chesterton, I think there’s even an essay on here someplace. For the Thoreau, which, come to think of it, mighta been Emerson instead, or even Lowell, he wanted to give an example of the folly of relying on old authority, and picked one that made him rather than Aristotle look a little foolish. We clip our nails straight(ish) because they don’t ingrow when we do. It’s good advice, even if it’s a couple thousand years old.
Chesterton pointed out that it was not a good idea to remove something because you didn’t see the point of it; it was only after you saw why it was done in the first place that you could judge whether it was still useful. Qwirkle (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Ah. Wikipedia:Chesterton's fence. I see. GMGtalk 18:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Our inexperienced GA reviewer friend[edit]

I happened to stumble across some of their TP discussions today, and I have to say that I'm impressed. Could it possibly be that Wikipedia got a new editor, and they're actually this competent?? I'm shocked and a little scandalized, but also just tickled pink. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Could it be? Probably not no. But it is possible that it's a long time IP contributor who finally decided to reclaim their old account. I'm going to AGF that that's the case. Maybe they are a sock and that AGF is misplaced. So long as they're being consistently productive, I don't see that it's worth my and your time to go digging for hours on the off chance that we find something worth opening an SPI over. And anyway, looks like they've fairly consistently been on this account for around 90 days at this point, so any SPI would have to be a truck load of behavioral evidence, cause CU ain't gonna do us any good. GMGtalk 14:15, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Yup, yup. I've decided to be an optimist about this one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I’ve wondered when or whether WP is going to start seeing significant numbers of newcomers who are new to WP, but comfortable with the markup and able to hit the ground running. The article information isn’t the only thing being given away free for any taker. Qwirkle (talk) 14:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Honestly the markup is easy enough IMO if you carefully copy what others are doing. The policy is a monster though. 100+ pages of required reading easily, and even then you need significant experience in application before you really understand it. Even then, there are issues like copyright that get even more complicated. I've probably had it explained to me three or four times how copyright renewal works with creative works form 1923 to 1963. I still don't understand it, and I pretty much just threw up my hands and said "those 40 years are dead to me". GMGtalk 15:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I've been wondering the same thing as Qwirkle; the basics of coding are often taught in schools these days, and I often think that might mean that younger people will come up as a group with a lot more familiarity with markup and programming syntax, and thus make it easier. FWIW, I do think I've noticed a mild upswing in syntax competence among IP and new editors, but it's not enough for me to really be sure.
By the way, if you have copyright questions, let me know. I'm no lawyer, but I've had to deal with them plenty in my life, owing to the fact that I've been doing commissioned art and design work since I was a kid. I might be able to help, and I know when to say "No, I can't give a good answer. You should ask a lawyer about that one." ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean, I'm more familiar than the average bear, but there are definitely still discussions, especially at c:COM:DR that I nope right out of, and still a few times where I cautiously wade in and think to myself "now how hard can Fijian copyright really be? GMGtalk 15:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I should have said not to ask me about anything but US or UK copyright. Anything else and I become the nopetopus. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:33, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
The worst part is finding someone at a help desk or the Teahouse who has painstakingly crafted an article for a visual artist, and probably scheduled a trip to a museum just to photograph their work, and you have to explain to them that it's a faithful reproduction, and "Yes, I really do have to nominate all 12 of your files on Commons for deletion" because they died in 1963, and their work won't be public domain for another 16 years. You feel the soul of a promising user crushing as you hit the save button, but there's basically nothing you can do about it other than explaining patiently. GMGtalk 22:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
That's why I stick to creating the artwork. much easier that way. At least until you publicly admit to doing so on commission... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I created this. I'm not proud of it. But there was no other image to illustrate the article. GMGtalk 22:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
That's actually really good! It made me laugh, anyways. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 August 2018[edit]

I reverted your reply because...[edit]

Thank you for the reply! As you'll see in Wikipedia:Help_desk#Condensing_multiple_citations, so the solutions are either to do nothing, or to manually add the named ref, as a bare citation and thus duplicating potentially?

Shushugah (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Whew. Yeah. That's confusing. Apparently something with my formatting in there is breaking the closing /nowiki tag and ruining everything. But basically you have to do this:

Johnny told the devil "you son of a gun, I'm the best there's ever been."[1] They engaged in a fiddle playing contest which Johnny won.[1] The story was later told in a popular song by Charlie Daniels.[2]

References

  1. ^ a b The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. Epic Records.
  2. ^
    • The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. Epic Records.
    • Billboard top 100 songs about the Devil. 1989. Billboard
    • Interview with the Devil. 2004. The Rolling Stone
Because you can't nest ref tags in each other. You also can't name individual refs by using them in a multi-cite like this. You can however name the entire multi-cite, if you ever needed to cite all those sources again all at once. GMGtalk 17:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Indian Peace Commission[edit]

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Jimbo[edit]

I don't know about you, but when I think of Jimbo replying on his talk page, I always imagine he's doing so on some luxury yacht moored up in the Virgin Islands with a Piña colada in one hand and a MacBook Pro in the other. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

As someone who has also edited Wikipedia from the Caribbean (although the drink in hand was probably coffee, give that I took that at 8am), I can say that I do highly recommend it. I don't know that I've ever actually edited Jimbo's talk page, and I've certainly never watchlisted it. But I'd rather like to think that he has an undisclosed alternate account for privacy reasons, where he's busy in the trenches without the hassle of having to be Jimbo and deal with everyone's problems. GMGtalk 14:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
My sister owns a vacation property not far out of frame of that image. Just up the row from the home on the right, near the Yoga retreat. I've stayed there a few times. If you ever decide to come back let me know. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Man, that sounds better than a day out at Brighton Palace Pier. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Not so much for me, honestly. But I grew up down here in South Florida, so for example, Freeport is closer to me than Homestead, FL as the crow flies. And the main draw of the Bahamas is the climate. Which I fucking hate (I spent a few months in Alaska once and fell in love, for perspective). So yeah, I'll take an amusement park the same sort of beach day I could have without shelling out the money for a boat rental (because there's no land access) and fuel. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
The other day I was talking with Megalibrarygirl about how the weather in El Paso has basically got three varieties - hot, bastard hot, and scorchio .... while I looked out of my window and saw the rain coming down sideways. I just think the Palace Pier is great for kids who love to be thrown 130 feet in the air and turned upside down (well, at least mine do), it's not too expensive, and it's a historically important part of British culture. Even if the beach is all pebbles; for that you want to head down over the Sandbanks Ferry (passing the houses that cost silly money) to Shell Bay. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly, I've often said (and heard) that Florida has two seasons: Unseasonably hot and holy-shit-it's-summer-please-god-seek-air-conditioning. Plus, I've always wanted to visit England. My parents have been there, but I haven't. The closest I think I've ever been was Böblingen. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I'd like to see Florida and the Caribbean  again. Honestly we wouldn't have gone in December, but I expected to be in Afghanistan right now. So the cruise was kindof pre deployment marriage maintenance. I'd love to see London. I had a layover there once when I was five. So I've only ever been to the UK in the most marginal sense.
Honestly I'd considered whether I could make it to Wikimania NA in Columbus next month. It's  only about five hours away, and the next one is in Mexico City. Still haven't sorted out if my schedule will let me though. GMGtalk 15:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd like to go to one and possibly put faces to some of the names I know on here. But the likelihood of editors I know showing up is so small that I never give it much serious thought. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I've been to quite a few London meetups, but between you me and the gatepost, when I go to a pub I want to chit chat about stuff I've been researching, the news, politics, philosophical stuff, yada yada. I really can't get excited about WikiData initiatives. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I've been getting somewhat more into WD lately. There's a lot of interesting possibilities there. At the same time, en.wiki is one of the worst offenders when it comes to fairly extreme project-centrisim. So I look for places like Commons, WQ, WB, etc to benefit from WD long before en.wiki does. GMGtalk 15:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I have yet to even bother looking into what Wikidata is. I expect it's open access to the WP databases or something, but can't be bothered to confirm. Interestingly, however, I found an image GMG uploaded that I think is an apt metaphor for much of the discourse on Jimbotalk. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:03, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I'd be lying if I said I wasnt somewhat proud of the fact that I created that category and uploaded all but one of the images there. Also speak of the devil wrt other projects embracing WD. GMGtalk 16:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
You should be proud. You've given people such as myself a variety of images to link to in a humorous manner when we refer to places like Jimbotalk or ANI. Plus, you know, you've increased the available knowledge of the world and stuff. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
That was in fact so intentional that it probably violates WP:POINT. GMGtalk 16:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
You can't survive in a place like this for this many years without having a sense of humour. Hells bells, you can't survive real life without one. (Or at least I can't). When I was improving Rachael Bland's article, the thing that stuck out for me is her You Me and the Big C colleague, on hearing Bland was terminally ill and unlikely to live much longer, basically said "oh shut up and stop being over-dramatic". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
<Puts on his choir robes and sways back and forth, clapping his hands> Amen! Preach it, Brother Ritchie! Dear god, if I couldn't laugh at the stuff going on on this website, I'd have cracked and gone to a Wikimania with an assault rifle by now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Y'all need to google for "Kenny Everett Brother Lee Love" - that is how you preach to the converted! And Pants should be contributing to a far more important discussion; Talk:Is Genesis better with Gabriel or Collins singing? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
That should not be a discussion. Gabriel, obviously. Sheesh. Interestingly, my old band once did a metal cover of Cuts You Up that used to drive the girls in the audience wild. We called it the "panty dropper". ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
That's what we called snakebite & black :) —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 17:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Whoah, there. You're getting a little date-rapey. Well, you would be if I hadn't been hearing that same drink referred to in the same way for all of my adult life. But the smiley at the end? Remind me not to get drunk with you unless my wife has left me and I'm really lonely.... ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Wot.
I've edited Wikipedia with a pina colada and ocean view, under the palm trees. But it was Kenya not the Caribbean. And not on a yacht. We can't all be Jimbo.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to bow out of the discussion. Had to take the young'un to a doctor's appointment. I'm not much for mixed drinks, coming from the world capital of bourbon and all. But one definitely fun way to mix alcohol and Wikipedia is going on intentional excursions to places that don't have articles or don't have pictures. That's how I wound up with this article and this image (which should really have it's own article eventually). GMGtalk 21:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, can you do a pre-GA review for the article Psycho Killer?[edit]

Hello Green, I am writing to you as a request for a review of the article mentioned above. I know I did ask Lourdes, but that was nearly a month ago. Sorry if I seem impatient, I am just asking you in order for it to be done quicker. Your help will be greatly appreciated. The Duke Talk page, please ping me anywhere else. 16:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey The Duke of Nonsense. Well, less than 10 sources is pretty anemic for a GA nomination. Although I do realize the name is painfully generic and makes looking for sources awful. The link to the lets play is...well...basically a clear cut copyright violation and should be removed entirely, as is the full audio in citation two. That leaves you with just five, which is not very much to build an article with. The good news is that the plot itself doesn't actually need a citation, because it can be sourced to the work itself.
I'd say you'd probably just have to get super creative with some really specific search filters to try to find more to work with. But I've only ever done serious work on probably one video game article that I can remember, and that was just to save it from deletion. I know User:SoWhy does quite a bit of work with video games. Maybe they can give some better advice. GMGtalk 22:16, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Ultimate Bone Broth Formula[edit]

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I'll be honest, I've never actually sat and listened to a half hour of Infowars. I just did. I was looking at the arguments at the Bb ban thread, so what the heck. But... What!? ... "The left is a stinking pile of goblins that crap on everything they walk on." That's not even a real insult. But that's not the weirdest thing. The weirdest thing is that I just got plugged for like seven different dietary supplements. Why...I mean...what...I mean, if Joe Rogan tries to sell me protein power, yeah, maybe. He's objectively in better shape than I am. Why is Infowars...I'm sorry...Why the shit would I or anyone buy supplements from Infowars? Is that like their audience? People who are super into working out but who are into like...nonsense? GMGtalk 00:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

The title makes me hungry for home made chicken soup. And, I've only watched a few youtube videos from Infowars inadvertently, years ago, in relation to militias and gun control. That made me curious and I discovered that some footage used was not at all related to the claimed events... —PaleoNeonate – 06:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Requesting a pre-GA review of Hell's Bells (film)[edit]

Hi Green, sorry if I am being a nuisance, but can you please do a GA-review for the article mentioned above. I know I asked for one for the Psycho Killer (video game), but that is currently up for deletion. so, whilst I participate in that and safeguard the article. I could also help in promoting Hell's Bells (film) to WP:GA. Thank you, and apologies for seeming overly-eager. The Duke Talk page, please ping me anywhere else. 10:51, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

wikiquote[edit]

Hey,

Noticed you restored the wikiquote link to Khizr and Ghazala Khan. Presuming you didn't see it had been removed. The most recent link with context is this related ANI thread where I mentioned it. Basically, a user who tried to push a conspiracy theory in the article then went to wikiquote to add quotes that are only meaningful within the context of that conspiracy theory. Given wikiquote doesn't have the policies to handle this in a way compatible with wikipedia standards, I've removed it. Just leaving this message here before removing it again. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what it is in the Wikiquote that is supposed to be objectionable, but given that the user has only ever made six edits to the WQ page, it seems fairly evident that we should probably just fix whatever is wrong with the WQ page, rather than delinking from a sister project article with 56k worth of content almost entirely added by good faith editors in good standing. And you can't totally delink from the WQ page anyway unless you delink it in Wikidata, and that would basically just be vandalism. GMGtalk 17:58, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
If you're comfortable removing them, I have no problem with that. When I first noticed it, I posted to the enwq VP asking for advice, but got no response. Since then, the couple times it has come up, people seemed unable to find any wq policy-based reason to remove them. And as I am not a wq editor I did not feel comfortable trying to apply wp-like standards to it. If you're interested in the substance of the issue, it all started with this blog post which the Breitbarts and Daily Callers then picked up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:29, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Done. BTW, WQ is comparatively anemic on policy, as many smaller project are, and defaults to en.wiki policy in many regards, including WP:BEBOLD. GMGtalk 18:55, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. FWIW another charming addition by the same user, pulling a quote certain men's rights sites picked up on to say that Amy Schumer raped someone. Again, I've no idea what's appropriate there. Is an excerpt from a speech that a couple websites focused on worth including? Maybe? eh. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Meh. I adjusted it some to point to the actual part of the passage that gets to the point she's trying to make about body image etc. I don't care all that much about Amy Shumer to try to expand it. GMGtalk 19:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Super. You going to wikicon, btw? (in Ohio next month)? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I haven't been able to sort that out yet. It's right around my daughter's birthday, and right around some out-of-town training. Haven't been able to nail down the dates for one to nail down the date for the other, to see if I can go. Hoping to clear some of that up by the end of the weekend. Is there a deadline to register? I'd probably only be there for the Sat-Sun bit. GMGtalk 19:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
You can just show up and register, yeah. if I recall correctly, it goes from a very small registration fee to a somewhat-less-than-very small registration fee if you do so on-site, but it'll be fine. Registration isn't even open yet. The whole affair is pretty informal/welcoming, I think. The time to submit talks and apply for scholarships has passed, although there's always some unconference space and lightning talks that will be organized right up to the day-of. I can't recall a wikiquote talk (although it's possible I just haven't been to it), which may make for a good addition somewhere if you're into it. Anyway, hope to see you there (and what kid wouldn't want a trip to a wikiconference in Ohio for their birthday??). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Indian Peace Commission[edit]

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Request on 17:26:24, 19 September 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Cyberstrike1979[edit]


Can you please detail: a. What sources are you citing as being provided by Rave Organics? b. What content is not written from a neutral standpoint?

Please note: 1. The Wikipedia submission covering "Rave Organics" was written based off various newspaper articles written by newspaper reporters. These sources were cited and the you can tell that the sources are newspaper reports and were not provided or funded by the company. Additionally, the sources are from news articles written by several independent news agencies. 2. The Wikipedia submission was also sourced from food critic articles written in various newspapers. Newspaper food critics are not paid by companies to write the articles, they're paid by the newspapers. 3. Nothing in the article was sourced from Rave Organics website. 4. As the submission was not based off any paid advertisements or sourced from Rave Organics itself... I thought it was written neutral.

When I wrote the article, I followed an existing Wikipedia format for a similar business (Panera Bread). I followed both the form and content: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panera_Bread

btw, sorry for the questions. I'm learning to write this articles. I thought I did it correctly by citing newspaper articles from reporters and citing food critics from multiple unpaid newspaper sources. I ignored content from the company website to the best of my knowledge. Also apologies if I'm commenting in the wrong area or not approaching this right, I'm still learning and I'm unsure what wasn't done right.

Cyberstrike1979 (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Cyberstrike1979. Reading through the article, it basically needs to be entirely rewritten.
  • Offerings include organic & organic vegan paninis, sandwiches, burgers, pizza, frozen yogurt, smoothies, smoothie bowls, coffee, and tea products Wikipedia does not provide detailed product listings or menus.
  • The stylizing of the interior of the pilot location is trendy, modern, contemporary, and has quiet loft area Wikipedia is not the place for whatever this is called, I suppose interior design opinions.
  • It is well established among nutritionists that moving to these advanced dietary lifestyles requires a significant, carefully planned dietary journey and body transition and adjustments in one's bodies are expected Off topic content about veganism generally and not about the subject.
  • The company attempts to accommodate the transition using their extensive menu that covers the various dietary lifestyles Subjective and advertorial. Sourced to a high school newspaper besides.
  • As they're 100% organic, the food menu is free of artificial colors, flavors, sweeteners, preservatives, chemicals, toxins, and adheres to organic's strict rules eliminating artificial herbicides, pesticides, and genetically modified organisms Blatant advertising.
  • Trademarks... Wikipedia generally does not include mundane information on things like trademarks and business registrations.
  • trendy and peaceful Organic & Organic Vegan Fast Casual Restaurant which provides a transitional plan for customers to move from mainstream meals to healthy Organic, Organic Vegan, or Organic Vegetarian Lifestyles Blatant advertising.
And basically the entire rest of the article is a menu, which is the kind of content that belongs on their website, and not on Wikipedia.
Looking at the sources used:
  • tripadvisor.com - ☒N Not a reliable source
  • Ventura County Star - Not necessarily unreliable, but exceptionally local coverage of the type that doesn't hugely speak to the notability of the subject
  • Fro-Yo Girl Speaks - ☒N A personal blog and not a reliable source
  • The next six sources are just about veganism and don't mention the subject of the article at all
  • A high school newspaper - ☒N Not a reliable source
  • More generic material which does not mention the subject at all
  • The official website
  • More generic content not about the subject
  • Passing mention on what appears to be essentially a local travel blog
So even if the article was neutral in tone, half or more of the sources either don't have anything to do with Rave Organics, or are not a reliable source, and so it's not entirely clear that the subject meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. GMGtalk 17:44, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • But you can't beat the quiet loft area. EEng 19:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

You made it onto Gizmodo[edit]

Just wanted to give you a heads up that you made the news.

https://gizmodo.com/wikipedia-editors-fight-over-whether-to-include-the-pre-1829163947/ GamerPro64 17:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Sigh. Not the first time I've made it into an RS. But not my proudest example either. GMGtalk 17:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
If anything justifies a modification to NOTCENSORED, this is it. EEng 19:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Shameless link to userspace essay that just keeps getting more and more relevant. GMGtalk 19:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Pretty good. If I wasn't in bed with an awful head cold, I'd give it the ol' once-over. EEng 19:40, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah. That's lame. Here's to hoping you get to feeling better. GMGtalk 19:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • You know, what I'd really like to know is how the Guardian feels about one of their reporters showing up on an article about a predominately children's video game/cartoon character and trying to insert accusations from a porn star about the shape of Donald Trump's penis. GMGtalk 21:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)