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Re: Importance rating

My guideline here was that the importance rating is per-project, and each project has its own scope. If there was a project for Croatian people's biographies, then they'd definitely have top importance. But on the scope of Croatia as a whole, it's hard to justify top importance for individual people, no matter how popular or unpopular they are, because it's hard for them to have had an overwhelming impact on the entire topic - the whole country, its geography, history, culture, ...

It's exceedingly difficult for me to say that Tesla had a *top* impact on Croatia, because his work was generic and it affected every other country as well, and that would be a slippery slope. We can't have him as a high-priority article for every wikiproject for every country that uses alternating current.

Tito OTOH had a lot of direct impact on Croatia as a whole, but it was also genericized on the level of the whole of Yugoslavia, and it also may have faded more quickly than what Tesla did (the communist party no longer exists at all, yet I'm typing this using AC :). His importance on the .yu wikiproject is top, but that's because its scope is appropriately narrow.

I've only left Tuđman's importance alone because he was instrumental in the founding of the actual country, which looks like a decent milestone in the course of the entire history. On second thought I could demote him too because it's still less than 15 years of overwhelming impact, and later a lot of his actual policy was reversed by successors.

So in general I'm wary of individual people's importance for the per-country wikiprojects. But if there's a guideline somewhere that says otherwise I'll gladly defer, so long as the criteria are clear. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Please feel free to move any of this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia or similar. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

How did you do that?

I am constantly pleased to see your improvements to my Track and Field articles. But today's minor correction to David Patrick (athlete) amazes me. This was a new article I created out of the blue after realizing it had been missing for a couple of years. Four minutes after I posted the new article, you had already found it and fixed it. I hadn't even taken the step of adding its wikilinks to any other articles, where it might have shown up in a watchlist. How is that possible? Trackinfo (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Joško Vlašić

Can we delete this Joško Vlašić redictet, because the trainer and father of Blaka Vlašić was a sportsman too. view: (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Evo probal sam al neznam tako dobro engleski - please correct it--Lipice13 (talk) 13:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joško Vlašić

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I had not noticed that you had expanded and worked on this article until now. Good work on an important figure in Croatian athletics! SFB 22:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Yugoslav Front

Please have a look at the discussion regarding the best name for the war article for .yu. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Trsteno Arboretum

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I have noticed that you are doing a full review of 'Croatian War of Independence'. Since user Tomobe03 has open an A-Class review, it would be better if you paste your review there, instead on article talk page. By doing so, you can (if all your remarks are resolved) add your 'Support' for A-class. Of course, A-Class has more rigorous criteria than GA. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not do a formal A-class review? You are neutral and experienced editor, so this wouldn't be a problem. A-class review works like GA (with A-class criteria), but at least three editors have to give thear 'support', with no 'oppose' votes for an article to achice A-class (I think). Think about will probably get a Military history reviewers' award for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews.....:-) Kebeta (talk) 21:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
If I may add something to this: I looked at the A-class criteria and the greatest difference from GA (I think) is A3 criteria, but even if that's not in compliance with A-class, reorganizing some of the structure doesn't sound like a major rewrite. I'm also concerned with the A1, since I suspect that some citations may not be formatted properly. As for A2, A4 and A5 I think those might be ready as is - maybe with some minor interventions if any of the reviewers think so. The project FAQ clearly says that the key difference relative to a GA-review is: "a GA-article has not necessarily had any review by a subject-expert, and so it might not be complete, but it is often held to higher standards on style issues" - thus I'm not that concerned with that part as I believe the article is quite complete. Another copyedit may be in order, but one of us could contact a copyeditor that did a GA nomination particularly well. And yes, three supports are required as Kebeta said.--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry much about A1, A2,...The other editors who will participate in A-class rewiev will have thear remarks, which would have to be resolved to gain thear 'Support' for A-class. Basically, it's very simple if the article is up to A-class.....:-) Kebeta (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wasi'chu Jaque Hammer (talk) 15:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Re-creation of Dalmatians (ethnic group)

This article was re-created despite Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalmatians (ethnic group) without any explanation, which is a violation of process. so in the future please don't use PROD that, instead just speedy delete it. Oops, I misread the page history. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: A-class review

Yes the article was significantly improved indeed, and I do believe there's no question now regarding the GA status regardless of the A-class being achieved or not. Since that was the intention in the first place, I'd say the primary objective is met - it's a shame there's no quorum on this one, but it does not really matter.

Right now, I plan to contact few magazines (e.g. Hrvatski Vojnik) to obtain permission to use some of their photos for the article since most of the images are, uhm, not on par with the article itself. Few things remain to iron out in the infobox, but thanks to a lot of teamwork, two A-class reviewers (including yourself) and great copyediting effort by Diannaa, I'd say this article might be a good FAC soon.

In any case, thanks for your effort, I really appreciate it.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll take some time to select the images I'd like to use first, and only then seek permission. Right now, the article is quite alright as it is, so I won't rush this. Besides, I have a seriously busy schedule IRL so, it's time to catch up on that and browsing images is just the thing to do during breaks.
The source you pointed out yesterday is interesting, but I think it is better suited to illustrating background to the independence rather than the war - most of the international input in the war was negative: no support (other than maybe political), no weapons (other than smuggled or stockpiled before the war, depending on belligerent in question), no consequences (other than those already detailed as aftermath and economic sanctions), no military involvement (suggested NATO airstrike on the outset of Op Storm is wholly unsubstantiated, no such record or report exists neither by NATO nor USAF, and they are hardly hiding such things - when one compares 1994/1995 NATO involvement in Bosnia, while UNPROFOR footage of the supposed target - Plješivica base - made available depicts no airstrike damage at all, except minor damage to radar dome which appears to be caused by a machine gun strafing). In view of this I feel the international community actions (and inaction) are fairly and proportionally represented, while a broader approach, esp. political and geostrategic one should be in an article on the referendum of 1991 or in a similar place providing background of the independence itself.--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stipe Božić

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Rubin Carter

Several edits were recently made to this article without any edit summary or talk page comments, with significant amounts of uncited text entered. As you have contributed to both the article and its discussion page and have expressed concern over its uncited material, you may wish to review the edits. (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping a note. From what I can tell at first sight, the changes are problematic for more reasons than one... I'll see what I can do... GregorB (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Croatian Museum of Naive Art

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Farscot (talk) 19:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The article is looking much better now, thanks for your help! I don't suppose there's a chance of getting some images for it? I think the hr article has some pix. Farscot (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Croatian Museum of Naïve Art

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Daria Kinzer

pozdrav, u čemu je problem oko referenci? Pepito hr (talk) 00:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Aha... A sad ja više ne znam što sam trebao promijeniti, a baš sam se potrudio oko oblika referenci... Zašto je maknuta oznaka kategorije "Croatian Female Singers"? Nema logike, ako već postoje reference o porijeklu, zašto ne i staviti kategoriju na dno članka? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepito hr (talkcontribs) 00:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Long time...

Hi GregorB! Well, we didn't contact much lately, so I just wanted to say that Siege of Szigetvár is finally a GA. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Well, I know that Lastovo as a GA article is your old wish, and will try to help as much as I can. It's a great island and deserve a proper coverage. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Since I wasn't involved much in towns and islands, it looks difficult to me...:-) But, I have been there this summer, that could help...:-) --Kebeta (talk) 21:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the barnstar, I appreciate it - especially coming from someone who works as tirelessly as you do to improve wikipedia! Farscot (talk) 16:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi Gregor! I don't think Blanka's article needs a great deal much more work to reach GA level, but it would be good to have a section about her image and personality (and its impact on her career). I was actually thinking of working on this a bit more in response to the nascent WikiProject Women's Sport. I'm finding that my free time is increasingly random and sporadic, so I can't guarantee any time scale, but it is a little project which I hope to work on with you in the very near future. SFB 14:52, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Milhist FA, A-Class and Peer Reviews Jan-Mar 2011

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The Croatian Barnstar of Merit

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interview request

Hello, My name is Natalia Olaru and I am a final year master student in the Corporate Communication programme at the Aarhus School of Business in Denmark. I am currently working on my final paper on the topic of the motivation of users to create content on collaborative media websites, the focus being Wikipedia. As a sample I chose the English and Danish portals. I would like to invite you for an online interview on the topic of what motivates you, as a user, to participate in editing and creating articles for this platform. Your real identity, and wikipedia account will be kept confidential through the paper. I plan on doing the actual interviews in the period between 6st and the 15th of May via Skype, MSN, Google Talk or Yahoo Messenger. I am, however, open to other channels of communication too. Please let me know if you would like to participate in this interview and the preferred channel. Thank you, Natalia Olaru Email: --MulgaEscu (talk) 12:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Alt hook for Władysław Raginis

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DYK for Ruža Tomašić

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Congratulations on a very interesting DYK item. I never expected something like that to actually be true :) - Mgm|(talk) 11:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I second that. I just read the other day about Mesić's appearance in Don't Look Back, My Son and thought it might merit a DYK, but it pales in comparison to Ruža :) Timbouctou (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree about Don't Look Back My Son although I don't know if there's enough information about it available to expand it sufficiently. I did notice that you did some work on the List of Croatian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, and I agree - it looks like a fine candidate for FL. Perhaps the prose could use some expanding about the history of Croatian filmmakers and studios involved with films previously submitted representing Yugoslavia. I tried finding out which film was submitted and rejected in 1991 but to no avail. I'll keep looking, somebody must have mentioned it somewhere. Anyway, I'd be happy to help out and I'll look into improving it. Let me know if you have ideas for it. Timbouctou (talk) 05:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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Further reading?

Vidim da si mi maknuo recenziju albuma We prof. Petrovića zbog mogućeg kršenja autorskih prava. Dobila sam pisano odobrenje profesora da smijem iskoristit tu recenziju na Wiki, pa jel bi ju mogla vratiti?
Još bi trebala malu pomoć gdje da objavim to odobrenje. Hvala
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Ivana Brlić-Mažuranić

Hi. Just wanted to tell you that IBM was the first woman to be accepted as a corresponding member of JAZU. She never became a full member of the academy. Timbouctou (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It appears you're right. I dug up 1938 from somewhere, and some sources say she was an akademik, not understanding the difference. Fixed her article and about to remove her from the list. (There are three other people in the category that are suspect: Bogo Grafenauer, Robert Frangeš-Mihanović, and someone else, I forgot his name.) Also, this brings up an interesting question: if she was not the first woman to become a full member, who was? GregorB (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's an interesting question. I Googled it a lot and I have no idea. The entire "former members" list on Wikipedia (which includes the former members section on the official website) contains men and the earliest female full member that I know of is Antica Menac (became full member in 1988). But I doubt she was the first one. I'll keep looking. Timbouctou (talk) 21:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Got it! This article says the first women full member was Vanda Kochansky-Devidé (1915-1990). Here's part of the biography, talks a lot about her career but does not mention when she became full member of JAZU. This article says she "became an academician" in 1966. Nailed it - LZMK article says she "became full member of JAZU in 1973". Timbouctou (talk) 22:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Very likely it was her. Which is a bit odd, because she's virtually unknown... GregorB (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Correct, it was her, and Jutarnji list also confirms it. A minor but solid DYK fact, so there's an idea if you're interested... GregorB (talk) 10:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Odobrenje za fotografiju

Jel bi mi mogao pomoći? Obrisana mi je fotografija koju sam uploadala, vjerojatno jer izvor nije bio dobar a i nisam imala odobrenje. Ne mogu više naći što trebam poslati u dopisu u kojem tražim odobrenje za objavu fotke, a ni ono što treba pisati u tom odobrenju. Ako bi me mogao usmjeriti na pravi put bila bih ti zahvalna.
--Josi4Josipa (talk) 21:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Radi se o fotografiji uz članak koji sam radila Van Bod. Inače Vladimir je moj osobni prijatelj, i fotografiju koju sam stavila je iz njegovog osobnog arhiva. Istu sam fotku stavila uz njegov članak na i još nije obrisana, iako, istina, tamo sam stavila odobrenje koje mi je poslao da dopušta da se koriste informacije i fotke s njegove web stranice. Ali problem je u tome što se ta fotka ne nalazi na njegovoj stranici, pa imam dopuštenje staviti bilo koju drugu koja se nalazi na njoj. Kako Vladimir nije autor fotografije, iako je nositelj autorskog prava, ne znam treba li tražiti odobrenje i od osobe koja je slikala.--Josi4Josipa (talk) 22:21, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Fotka je postavljena Van Bod! Možeš li provjeriti jel sve dobro upisano? Hvala --Josi4Josipa (talk) 10:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hvala na informaciji. Još jedno pitanje u vezi s tim. Je li problem što na ne postoji ova slika koja je uploadana na wiki?--Josi4Josipa (talk) 16:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Next FL?

The FLC reviewing process is much slower than I imagined it would be but I suspect the Oscar nominees are bound to get promoted soon. In the meantime, would you be interested in helping turn this into something like this? Timbouctou (talk) 00:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely. I think I saw this list just the other day and thought it was a nice candidate. (So is perhaps Protected areas of Croatia, for example, even if it's a bit thin at the moment.) Fairly limited scope, but still not quite so easy to get into FL shape. It's on my watchlist now.
FLC review is indeed slow. I happened to notice that the number of FLs was growing very slowly over the last 6 months, and now I can see why. But there you have it, I just hope it will go to FL eventually. GregorB (talk) 07:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I started making a draft of Croatian World Heritage sites in my sandbox. Feel free to drop by and improve it. It needs considerable work, especially with descriptions of tentative sites. I don't know whether it should include a third table for intangible heritage. Also, I copied the format from the Madagascar list but later I saw Peru and Cuba and Spain (all three are FLs) which employ a bit different formatting, with tentative sites presented in bulleted lists, without pictures (maybe that's a good thing because I'm having trouble finding images for some of them and some of the ones already there are a bit substandard). You can leave comments here or on the draft's talk page. Timbouctou (talk) 08:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Ignjat Job

Wonderful! It really improves the article to have some images! I do have some photos of Job's work (Kameni Stol, Moj Dom u Supetru, and Komiza) taken at the Gallery in Split last month, would it be OK to upload those? Is there some formality about contacting the gallery for permission? I would hope that they'd be pleased to get the extra publicity! I also have some photos of works by some of the other artists, would need to check when they died.

Other sources of artwork images might be those online galleries, if correctly attributed? Farscot (talk) 21:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Professionally taken photography is definitely preferable! Both Remek-Djela and Adris Galllery have a good selection of artwork, so that will be very helpful. Thanks for the guidance! Farscot (talk) 22:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
It's looking really nice with the images - thank you so much for adding those! Farscot (talk) 00:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice one

I never really noticed your expansion of Franjo Mihalić. Good job! A good bit of athletics history, well covered. SFB 21:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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Re: DYK review

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DYK for Ignjat Job

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Thank you for your help and contributions, much appreciated! Farscot (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Museum of Broken Relationships

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WP Croatia in the Signpost

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Hraschina (meteorite)

Sure, that's a good idea! I will try to find out more references. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 20:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla

Hello Gregor, with regard of the recent reverting at Tesla´s article, I beleave that you shouldn´t have reverted without participating in the discussion. You may be right, however rather than an short explanation at your edit summary of your revert it would have been more appropriate to discuss it at the talk page where the discussion was opened since yesterday. Honestly, I found that the language only became official as Serbo-Croatian in 1945 (and Tesla died two years earlier), so I really supose that Tesla was probably fluent in both Serbian and Croatian, but is it right to name it Serbo-Croatian for his life time period? Not sure... Best regards. FkpCascais (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Back in the saddle

Thanks for the note. It's nice to be back, I really enjoy writing and editing... Honestly I couldn't really find time to do more lately - perhaps I'll get more done in the next month. I'd like to upgrade all other motorways too, but photos are hard to find at the moment. Is there a way to request those from wikipedians living in the area or using those roads?--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hraschina meteorite

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: BLP Barnstar

Why thank you :) I just wanted to see Wikipedia:WikiProject Croatia/Unreferenced BLPs empty for once :) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Mario Ančić

Hi, I had removed the image because code was displaying. I guess it was because it was formatted incorrectly. Thanks for restoring it. Enigmamsg 19:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Szent Istvan and Viribus Unitis

Hi! I was wondering should SMS Szent István and SMS Viribus Unitis be included in scope of WP Croatia, since the former is a part of heritage protected by Croatian Ministry of Culture and the latter was briefly a part of State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs navy?--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you. SMS Szent István was of course a ship of Austria-Hungary navy, but it is now a piece of protected heritage in Croatia - a parallel may be drawn with say, Diocletian's Palace which was built well before Croats or Croatia existed, yet it is now a protected heritage site in Croatia and consequently a in scope of WP Croatia. SMS Viribus Unitis was a part of State of SHS navy and a part of Croatian maritime history, thus IMHO having at least two valid reasons to include it in the WP Croatia scope. Finally, I believe WP Croatia could enhance the two articles using Croatian sources (Vjesnik or other) thus justifying inclusion of the two in scope of the project. Of course, feedback from other editors may be beneficial in this case.--Tomobe03 (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

This user

Since I was prevented from posting this on your user page I must post it here. You are the ghey. You can help wikipedia by not being so anal about everything. Thank you. -- (talk) 16:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi Gregor, may you be interested in this diacritic move issue here? If so, your views will be most welcome. Many thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking part. I appreciate and accept your remarks. Obviously, I favour the diacritic for other reasons but either way, I'm pleased you and Joy left comments. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:17, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
RIGHT!!!!! And she had to represent Germany!! Bosnia wasn't good enough for her!!! We should strip her of her diacritic for that purpose! If she wants it back she should have to earn it! :)
Seriously, I know what you mean about NG and its preferences for authentic forms. This German representation is really the elephant in the room. I think there may be a different way of writing every name in every language. On this issue, how is it in English!! WP:RS as you know is the deciding factor in any "who done what?" issue. For names, it is more complicated. Don't get me wrong, there is no hidden jingoism with me. I too accept that there are times that a diacritic and original name standard has to be altered, and this is when there is evidence that the language has already adopted its new forms. To be honest, that normally begins when the subject localised his own name and it then becomes fosilised in the target language's speech/writing system. Take parody singer Wierd Al, his name Yankovic (Serb father) would most definitely have been Janković at one time. The switch to /Y/ was probably a family measure to stop people pronouncing it /dž/. But the very thing happened with the last letter of his name which, without the diacritic, has given the American nation to refer to /Yan-ko-VICK/ (a /k/ sound). With sports stars, this is not the case. I don't oppose the fact that we refer to reliable sources but the sources need only be used for the information drawn from them. Unlike NG, the journals that report on sports matters fully ignore diacritics for all people of all backgrounds. Will the defenders of the status quo push for Vedran Ćorluka to be moved? Probably not. But no English source commenting on his performance will use a diacritic unless it does so when switching to tennis and writing about Andrea Petković or Ivo Karlović. This is my point! I'm sure you see if the "keep" crew don't. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:56, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Well put. I won't add what you said to the section as I don't wish to overload it, those arguing against need to return and read what has been added and then I shall slowly introduce this thought about synthesised/simplified text. If they carry on pointing to the sources as though everything revolves around them including name forms, I'll remind them that when Đoković won at Wimbledon, the match was attended by Serbian president Boris Tadić and other tennis names such as Slobodan Živojinović. The journals listed by Absconded Northerner all reported this, if they left out diacritics for the politician then perhaps we can move him to Tadic. It goes full circle here. Thanks for the observation. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Port of Rijeka

Hi! I recently created the Port of Rijeka article and found myself facing a dilemma: The infobox provides for financial data such as annual revenue and profit of the operator. Since the Port of Rijeka has three operators this is slightly complicated. Luka Rijeka d.d. publishes its financial statements with the ZSE so that's simple, but JANAF data do not include any info on business divisions (Omišalj terminal in this case) rather only the summary figures. The third operator Jadranska vrata was a 100% owned subsidiary of Luka Rijeka and thus included in the consolidated report of the latter. Would it be better to include LR+JANAF data in the infobox or leave things as they are now (only LR data) with a note that this pertains to Luka Rijeka only? Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Budding in a bit. I think LR+Jadranska vrata figures should be compounded as JV is a wholly owned subsidiary but JANAF should be listed separately as it is a different company altogether and their stats would belong into their article. Adding a note explaining this would be nice. Great job on the article btw. Timbouctou (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. As you noted the JV is (actually was) 100% owned by LR so 2009/10 LR figures (consolidated) include JV. As of 2012, JV/AGCT shall report separately, but even then both LR and JV shall make all their revenue and profit in the Port of Rijeka (i.e. entity administered by the Port of Rijeka Authority). The problem with JANAF is that their revenue is collected in the port and elsewhere making the data not readily applicable to the port. At any rate, the article specifies all individual concessionaire revenues separately and infobox now presents only the LR/JV consolidated report data. The note you mentioned has a merit and I'll include that to explain this conundrum.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Let me offer my 2 cents here... I'd say that, unless a business entity actually releases consolidated reports, it is not quite right (i.e. it may verge on WP:OR) to simply add up the figures. We apparently agree then: LR figures from the consolidated report, plus a note that explains that there's also JANAF.
I have a couple of suggestions regarding the article - I'm going to post them to the article's talk page shortly. GregorB (talk) 19:41, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. LR did in fact issue a consolidated report (i.e. including its own results and all its subsidiaries) and posted it with the ZSE - which is referenced. The JANAF figures are now dealt with exactly as you put it in the above post. Oh, and thanks for the photos and Galeb tip!--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem. A very nice article... GregorB (talk) 23:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lisa Stublić

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Team selection

Sorry, I thought it to be a relict of my work, because I started the generation of the "Nation at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics" pages with a "Team Selection" section. However, I decided to display only a results section because of the big task.

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Article assessment

Hi! I saw your note regarding assessment of the Franjo Mihalić and Sandra Perković. Since WP:Croatia has no published quality scale, I assume those would be equal or very similar to other country portals and therefore took Wikipedia:WikiProject England/Assessment for reference, since that page offers some additional details. The page contains 6 B-class criteria and to be honest, after looking at the Sandra Perković article, I feel that the article fails B3 criterion as the lead of the article does not conform to WP:LEAD - specifically, the article is short enough circa 6,000 characters to warrant a single paragraph lead, but the lead does not quite summarize the entire article.

I wouldn't mind assessing the articles (if the above mentioned quality scale is applicable, otherwise I have nothing to measure the articles against), but I thought to tell you this before any assessment is made.--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I took some time to check the Sandra Perković article against the B-class criteria, and it appears there's only the lead issue yet to be resolved - a reasonable summary of the article's main facts in the lead would definitely fulfill the last outstanding requirement for the B-class.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you that the doping issue should not be the main point or that it should set the tone for the lead. However, that is a significant piece of information and I believe it should be included - in a proper context and with proper measure, just as her junior career competition results (or one of them, say the 2009 championship gold medal) should be there along with selection of senior career results, records etc. At any rate I believe a single sentence on the doping affair and another on the junior career would suffice, along with maybe two on the senior career results (some of which is already there).--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


Have you seen this? --Kebeta (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Budding in again, only because I just removed the image of the 1000 kn banknote from Ante Starčević yesterday following the same reasoning. As per point 3 of WP:NFCI pictures of currency are not to be used for illustrating articles about their subjects. This is a long standing policy and frankly it should have been removed from Tvrđa back when it was GAN. Timbouctou (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
A rather fine point... One may use e.g. a "Person of the Year" cover of Time in an article about said person to make note of the award given, but the equivalent does not seem to apply to stamps and currency. Let me think. GregorB (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
It's because in my experience Wikipedia has a rather strict policy about images of banknotes (I remember because this was an issue a long time ago in Antun Augustinčić when an image of a Yugoslav dinar note with his sculpture on it was used to illustrate it). If for example one can find the original portrait or a painting which had been used for the banknote than including that image would be fine. But a banknote itself can't be. That is, if we are talking about non-free images (all Croatian currency is non-free apparently because HNB reserves some rights). American currency is considered public domain so for example 50 State Quarters are all used in articles about their subject. Timbouctou (talk) 15:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I seem to remember that one of Croatian banknotes has a "design error": one of the objects is shown mirrored, i.e. left and right side are swapped, and some people publicly complained about this. (Do you guys remember which banknote it was?) Now, if this were true for the 200 kn banknote, the Tvrđa article could not show it, so one could only provide commentary on this in the Croatian kuna article. But this does not make sense to me: the controversy, arguably, is about the banknote, and not about the building, but the building article is the proper place to provide the commentary because the banknote image could be contrasted with, say, a photograph of Tvrđa. Well, I'm just saying... GregorB (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
So, what's conclusion - no image? --Kebeta (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
No image. I've salvaged the caption, though. GregorB (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Categorization help

Hi! I'm not quite sure should additional categories be there in European route E751 - Croatian counties, Istria, Highways in Croatia, or none of those, so could you have a look at it?--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

True, all constituent routes of the E751 except for one (G11) are Croatian highways.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Vukovar featured article nomination

Thank you for your recent interest in Battle of Vukovar. I have nominated the article for featured status with the aim of getting it to that position by 18 November, the 20th anniversary of the battle. You are very welcome to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Vukovar/archive1. Prioryman (talk) 00:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Brunodam's content

I noticed you commented at one point that you thought the re-created "Italian cultural and historic presence in Dalmatia" article was good. However, it was a major procedural no-no - see Talk:Italian cultural and historic presence in Dalmatia. If you wish to resurrect any of this content, it should probably go into History of Dalmatia? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

When I last looked at it, Dalmatian Italians had most of the same content duplicated anyway. In any case, do you need me to bring it out of the deleted revision storage for you? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Project page article assessment table

Hi! There's something wrong with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Croatia article assessment table... there's nothing there. Could you take a look?--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, well. If all else fails, there's always {{Articles by Quality and Importance|topic=Croatia|project=WP:Croatia}} but that requires few more categories.--Tomobe03 (talk) 00:00, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Vukovar featured article nomination redux

Please note that I've renominated Battle of Vukovar for featured article status. You're very welcome to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Vukovar/archive2‎. Prioryman (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Referencing Croatia

Hi! I noticed you marked references in Croatia articles as fine in the to-do list within the Talk:Croatia (hope I make sense) quite a while ago. Timbouctou and I expanded some sections and trimmed down others recently, adding quite a bit new references. Still some paragraphs have no references, but there are no sections with no references at all. Do you think this level of referencing may be passable for a possible WP:GAN? It should be easy to add more refs, but I wouldn't like to overdo it and make the large article even larger in the process.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I thought so too. Well, that'll take some effort, but it's not that hard. Much of the work was modeled on Germany (FA) and some on Switzerland and Bulgaria articles (both GA). The lead need also be reworked to summarize the entire article, but on the bright side GAN queue in the "Geography and places" department is relatively short.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
I had no particular deadline in mind, but I would not like to drag it out, especially since current 180 or so external links (in the refs) and future 50 or so probably required to reach the GAN level of referencing is prone to link rotting... so I'll start referencing the article right away, and when that's completed I'll do the lead. Hopefully, the article will be a GAN by the end of the next week.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
As a further note, I'd prefer if I can get someone from WP:GOCE to copyedit the article, but GOCE is not very fast these days.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer! Any help is much appreciated. The next week timeframe is not set in stone, but there's nothing to be gained by dragging it out. There'll probably be some things to be fixed during the GAN, but that's to be expected one way or another.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
A quick question: book citations used in multiple instances and using different page numbers have references to bibliography (e.g. Frucht 2005, p. 422-423). Others, where a single reference (or multiple references to the same page(s) of the book) is made are now found only in references, using the cite book template. Would it be advisable to move those to bibliography or not - I'd rather not do that since that would add more bytes to the article, but I'm wondering if it's necessary for one reason or another. Oh, and it's so nice to see all those 5-0 ratings at the bottom of the article :) --Tomobe03 (talk) 22:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for making Wikipedia better.

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For making thousands of edits over many months while forgetting to move the previously received barnstar to its designated place - well, at least that little secluded page that is inconspicuously linked near the bottom of your user page. :) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:32, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Getting an image

Hi! I'm starting to think about what images to use in Croatia article, and for the time being I placed the Tanais B image to the beginning of the History section. However, I'd really like to use Šopot Inscription image instead - but there's none on the Commons. On the other hands there's one on Is there a way to get that for use on the English wiki?--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, i contacted Roberta and she won't upload to the Commons, rather she suggests uploading the image as a fair-use content indicating her as the author to the I'm fine with that, but even though I uploaded things to the Commons, I'm not sure how to upload to the, so could you help?--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the effort. The image is (provisionally) placed in the article! Cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Films based on the works of Philip K. Dick

Category:Films based on the works of Philip K. Dick, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 07:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Scott Bayley Approved

Wouldn't CSD A7 be more appropriate? For G1, "This does not include poor writing, vandalism, material not in English, badly translated material, hoaxes, etc." seems to indicate that this is not "nonsense" as such. Eh, whatever. It's non-notable anyway Goldenshimmer (talk) 23:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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Iztok Puc

No problem, and likewise:). I was also thinking of helping this article achieve a GA status. I think that in its current form the article is close already.Ratipok (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, from my experience I believe that the article is somewhat close to GA already. The grammar and the 'storyline' are good, everything is cited with reliable references etc. Imo the article still needs more in the 'club career' paragraph (his seasons with various clubs) and then to summ everything up in the lead.. that should probably do it and then we can put the article for assesment first (Peer review) and see what happens from there.Ratipok (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Iztok Puc article recieved a full PR today and plenty of guides were given on how to make the article GA. I see that you come from Croatia so if you are still interested in making the article GA, it would be helpfull if you could find any stats from the time when he played for RK Zagreb and the Croatia national team. Fell free to update the article;) Ratipok (talk) 15:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Its no problem and there is no need to rush it. I dont have that much time as well, but at least we have the PR now and we can work from there. Lp, Ratipok (talk) 17:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
There, I think I have done almost everything I could do with the article. The only thing that is missing and needed is his "Club career" (that is, a more expanded section of his career at Zagreb and also Celje/Prule). I think that "International career" section is good enough (maybe I could find some stats, will look into it at the IHF and the EHF if I could find any for the big tournaments).Ratipok (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Nope. After the article is completed I will ask Ruhrfisch to check it out once more and give me a feedback if everything is in order. Only then we can nominate ;)Ratipok (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Croatia

Hi! Thanks, but this seems to be quite a day for the WP:CRO - the Croatia article became a GA, and the Battle of Vukovar is promoted to FA!--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Gregor, thanks very much for your help in getting Battle of Vukovar to featured status. There's one more thing to be done - ensuring that it appears on the Main Page on 18 November. Could you please take a look at my post at Talk:Battle of Vukovar#Next steps: a call for assistance and advise whether you might be able to help? Prioryman (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Help needed

Will you please be so kind to help with the problem explained on Talk:Bezistan?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:01, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

HNK Suhopolje

The club no longer exists under that name. It was changed to NK Suhopolje and they have just youth categories. But it's important to keep the article because it is the successor of former 1. HNL club Mladost 127.

Demographics of Croatia

Hi! I did some work on the Demographics of Croatia, and there's a presumably maintenance tag on its talk page regarding section links. I'm not sure that if it requires any actual work, or if it is obsolete, so could you have look at that? Thanks!--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, some of the article is spun off from Croatia, some of it is new. Still, there's citation formatting left to be tidied up, at least in the sources cited before 2 November. I think I'll have the text copyedited by GOCE now and maybe this one will head to GAN too.--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Contents of the Croatia article can actually be spun off (especially since it is referenced) to a lot of linked topics, and this is just one of those. I recently posted at Talk:History of Croatia an idea regarding reorganization of few sections that would allow a similar course of action there. Hopefully few more top importance Croatia-related articles can also benefit from the Croatia's GA - for instance Politics of Croatia.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:04, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Iztok Puc

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priority parameter in WikiProject Biography banners

FYI... I see you adding the "prioirty" parameter in WikiProject Biography banners on talk page. Thank you for doing this. However, there is no "priority" parameter. There are sports-priority, musician-priority, politician-priority, etc. See template:WikiProject Biography for more information. Bgwhite (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Government of Croatia

Hi! I expanded the Government of Croatia article a bit, but I won't be submitting it to GAN yet because I suspect it may not be even reviewed before the next election and the next update to the article. It'll head for the GAN after that point for sure, but would you mind taking a look at the article to see if anything is missing there to achieve B-class? That would allow much more expedient GA nomination and review later on when the expected updates are in. Thanks!--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

On a side note: there are no images in the article yet, so all suggestions are welcome.--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

There are two other reworked articles - Politics of Croatia and Elections in Croatia now. Could you please also take a look at those when you have time to spare? Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:04, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's true. Looking at the Government article and the Outline of Croatia it would seem that the "Judiciary" and the "Local government" sections of the Politics of Croatia might be better off moved to the Government of Croatia.--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
(The article on Government of Croatia defines its scope as the executive branch. Judiciary should thus either remain in the politics section or have a separate article, covering the constitutional court, supreme court, county courts, etc. Local government also has little to do with the Croatian government per se - its officials are elected in a different set of elections and the PM has no authority over local matters.) Timbouctou (talk) 14:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I know that the layout described is de facto in place, but the term government actually encompasses all three branches... Maybe there's a way out of this yet: How about taking the Government of Croatia sections 1-3 (powers, current and history - in effect all of the body text) and replacing the "Executive" section of the Politics of Croatia with that content (turning sections into subsections and replacing the term government with executive as appropriate), and finally redirecting the Government of Croatia to Politics of Croatia.--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
After looking at the Government of Singapore which is GA, maybe it's best to leave everything as is for now structure-wise, perhaps with a "Terminology" section in the government article similar to the Singaporean case.--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Right. As a stopgap measure, I added a terminology explanation akin to the Singaporean one in the government article.--Tomobe03 (talk) 17:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cleanup Listing question

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How do you find dead links? I need to see what links are broken so I can replace them easier. --Wustenfuchs 18:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Presidential ratings

Hi! I noticed that the President of Croatia article is marked as mid-importance. I'm anything but sure about those ratings, but this looked suspicious to me, so I thought to drop you a note.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Coat of Arms of the president of Croatia

Hi! Could you please spare a minute and take a look at Talk:President of Croatia? Please comment on the sourcing there. Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback!

Thanks for the feedback on the three articles (Elections in Croatia, Politics of Croatia and Government of Croatia) - it was very valuable. If you still have any energy left to look at those types of articles, there are reworked President of Croatia (already posted a GOCE request, although it will take time to start a copyedit) and Parliament of Croatia to round off the election-politics-government topics in the strictest sense before new election results are in. I plan to submit the president article, once the GOCE is done with it, to GAN. Thanks again!--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Port of Ploče

Thank you for fixing that. It seems the GA nominations are receiving a bit more attention now... Hopefully more GARs will be successful in addition to the two which were passed over past four days.--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the GAN queue seems to be emptying quite quickly with two more out of the way yesterday alone, so once the Port of Split is copyedited by GOCE, it will head for the GAN too.--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Venetian & Italian cultural presence in Dalmatia‎

This was just the latest bit of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Brunodam/Archive. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 01:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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Lisa Stublić

Hi! I have added material to Lisa Stublić lead - and I admit there's too much of it right there since I was not too sure what else to leave out. Perhaps you might trim that down and since the article seems quite good, I suggest you take it to WP:GOCE/REQ and then to WP:GAN if you're interested.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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we wish you a merry christmas, and a happy new year! Pass a Method talk 19:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

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May you have a very happy Christmas and a fruitful New Year. Prioryman (talk) 19:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Xmas

Merry Christmas

Have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year! All the best! Timbouctou (talk) 12:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)