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Kansas City, Kansas census estimates[edit]

I have decided to avoid editing demographics for cities in my area until other people decide whether or not someone is going to update a bot to do an automated change. If I made radical changes to the demographics section, then more likely a bot would pass over those articles. The more a bot can do means that less I have to edit by hand. • SbmeirowTalk • 02:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:2010 US Census. • SbmeirowTalk • 02:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I see the attraction, but I also wouldn't want to leave outdated information up just because it will make it easier to edit later. As it is the third largest city in Kansas I think it deserves some hand attention. Also, I could be wrong, I don't think bots ever updated the population in the lead. Grey Wanderer (talk) 21:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Changes for new page on Stephen Monaco[edit]

That you for the information and changes you made on the page I was trying to create for Stephen Monaco. I appreciate your help! Rudy CharismaRudy Charisma 07:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudycharisma (talkcontribs) Rudy Charisma 07:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Grey,

I found this link to a news release from 1996 from the company that acquired Datastorm earlier that year:

Below is a blurb from that news release regarding Stephen Monaco joining Datastorm as the VP of Marketing and as a co-owner:

Incorporated in April 1986, DATASTORM's original partners, Bruce Barkelew (founder) and Tom Smith, continue with the corporation as the president and executive vice president, respectively. In October 1986, Stephen Monaco joined the corporation as vice president of marketing and co-owner.


I'm obviously new to making contributions to Wikipedia and was wondering if you could please help? You seem to be an expert at making contributions to Wikipedia!

While he wasn't a founder or a programmer, because of the experience he gained marketing intellectual property at Warner Bros. Television in their International TV Distribution department, after finishing at Mizzou, Stephen Monaco had the business expertise and marketing savvy to help drive Datastorm's success and make ProComm a global brand. Monaco and Bruce Barkelew were best friends during college, and Bruce knew he needed someone with business knowledge to get Datastorm off the ground, since he and Tom Smith were computer science majors and weren't business people, per se. Monaco's pricing and marketing positioning strategies are utilized as examples in the Instructor's Resource Manual for Kotler's graduate-level college text book, "Marketing Management - 11th Edition.”

Those of us who worked at Datastorm in Columbia, Missouri know that not mentioning Stephen Monaco with Datastorm Technologies is a disservice to the general Wikipedia using public, as he was an owner and responsible for getting ProComm translated into 11 languages and setting up the global distribution apparatus which made ProComm Plus the best selling program on PC Magazine's list. Monaco is an important part of the Datastorm story in Columbia.

Thank you very much for any help you are willing to provide! I look forward to your reply! Rudy Charisma 23:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudycharisma (talkcontribs)

Another third party reference to Stephen Monaco as VP and co-owner of Datastorm Technologies in Columbia,[edit]

Here's another third party reference to Stephen Monaco as VP and co-owner of Datastorm Technologies, Inc. in Columbia, Missouri:,+DEVELOPER+OF+LEADING...-a018139167

Will you please help make this article on Datastorm more complete and factual?

Thank you so much, Grey! Rudy Charisma 00:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudycharisma (talkcontribs)

Sources look helpful, unfortunately I don't currently have the time to work on any new articles. I can barely keep up with my watch list! If I ever find the time I will see if I can help create a page. Happy editing! Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Missouri State University[edit]

Why are you obsessed with THE Missouri State University? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I just love education in Missouri, what can I say. Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

My bad ?[edit]

Hey there Grey...saw you had to make several changes on Wikis I'd used University of Missouri-Columbia as a link. Sorry if I made extra work for you. I was just sure that awhile back, I was told by someone (not sure who) that the Columbia needed to be on there. Maybe I misunderstood. Anyhoo, sorry 'bout that. Have a great Wiki kinda day and GO MIZZOU! Sector001 (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

No worries, certainly having the -Columbia on there is not incorrect. However, the generic name is by far the more common in MUs self-identification, national media, and the vernacular. Because of that the naming conventions makes it pretty clear in which namespace the page should be located. I just wanted to keep it consistent. Sorting through those redirected page links also helps me to identify newly created articles related to Mizzou. So don't feel like you have to do it any particular way. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

category editing[edit]

Thanks for the star. And I am still at it for a bit more. Hmains (talk) 03:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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Fixed. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits to University of Missouri–Kansas City[edit]

When you have a moment, can you please pop over to Talk:University of Missouri–Kansas City and take a look at the most recent conversation (in the section titled "Scholarships")? I'd appreciate a third opinion. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

History of MU-KU rivalry[edit]

I did not take everything out I did the first time, but there was a lot of legend passed of as history in the History section of the article. The legend has gotten bigger than the reality, which is fine for the rivalry itself, but it does not belong in an encyclopedia article. MU and KU did not start playing football because of Bleeding Kansas, and there were few involved in the 1890s with any connection to it between the two teams, especially in Columbia where almost no one had any connection to it. It is legend that has been created over time, not something if significance in the 1890s. I took it to the talk page of the article. I suggest it be discussed on the talk page before editing further. GenericEditorName (talk) 23:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I have responded at Talk:Border War. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You strive to build a better WikiCity and I appreciate your contribution spartymantz (talk) 04:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Review Request[edit]

Hey Grey_Wanderer, I have completed my first Wikipedia page and would like you to review it before I submit it

Thank you

spartymantz (talk) 02:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Upcoming Wikimedia events in Missouri and Kansas![edit]

You're invited to 3 exciting events Wikipedians are planning in your region this June—a tour and meetup at the National Archives in Kansas City, and Wiknics in Wichita and St. Louis:

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Hi Grey Wanderer! Thank you for signing up for the National Archives Meetup and Scanathon in Kansas City. I just want to remind you that this is taking place this Saturday, two days from now, starting at 9 a.m. We hope to see you there! Please let me know if you have any questions. Dominic·t 13:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Meetup St. Louis[edit]

If you happen to be in the STL area on the 23rd, we'd like you to come to our local St. Louis meetup. Details here. If you are interested, please add yourself to the list and our Facebook group. Thank you. Marcus Qwertyus 17:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see you are in KC that day. Well you can still add yourself to our Facebook group for future notifications. Marcus Qwertyus 18:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

You're invited to Wikipedia Takes St. Louis![edit]

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High-contrast-camera-photo.svg I'm living in Columbia now BTW. Is an official meetup for the area in order? Dust off your Polaroid camera and pack your best lenses. The first-ever Wikipedia Takes St. Louis photo hunt kicks off Sat, Sept. 15, at 12:30pm in downtown St. Louis. Tour the streets of the Rome of the West with other Wikipedians and even learn a little St. Louis history. This event is a fun and collaborative way to enhance St. Louis articles with visual content. Novice photographers welcome! Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Come to the First Topeka Meetup, January 15![edit]

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Hope to see you there Sadads (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I wish I could come to all the events above but life is just a little too busy right now. Hopefully in the future I will be able to make it. Grey Wanderer (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much[edit]

Thank you for your kind words about my quality improvement efforts on the article, BLT cocktail, much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 16:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure!

Question about section creation[edit]

Hi Greywanderer, There is a bit of a firestorm brewing in Salem, MO over in Dent County. It would have seemed to be a simple animal control case, but because it has gone on for 11 months, it has attracted attention from all over the world and a New York newspaper and CBS Broadcasting picked up the story. This seems to be the most attention Salem has ever had paid to it. So, since the story would only be a stub a number of editors created a History section for the Salem Mo Wikipedia page and wrote about the events around the dog called Phineas. The page has been blanked twice by a user with only an IP address. Then, starting yesterday, an editor with the username EEng started blanking the section. He keeps an uncited piece on a filter system at the Salem public library, but keeps stating in very strong and lengthy terms that Phineas' story is is not appropriate for the page. Last I saw the paragraph, it was as neutral as possible while stating why it is important for Salem's page and the Missouri project. As of all the people who have edited the paragraph, I am the only one that has a very small modicum of savvy in Wikipedia, I wondered if you thought that the story on Phineas was appropriate or not on Salem's page which is currently rated as Start Class in the WikiProject Cities project. Maybe EEng is correct and this is just a "week-old animal story (that) does not belong in wikipedia." I want to do what is right for the Salem page. A few folks think the Phineas event increases the visibility of Salem. If you would let me know what the right thing to do here is, I would appreciate it, Sincerely, Taram (talk) 04:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you that it should be included in some way. There is certainly no lack of space for content in the article and a google search for sources finds several very good reliable third-party sources. I have added some of these to the article and used some of the sources previously included. I do see a problem with the presence of primary sources in the article, original research and neutrality issues in the way it is presented. I have written the article to correct these problems. Is this version acceptable to you? Grey Wanderer (talk) 09:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I looked at the page and I think that the new version that you wrote looks great! I certainly appreciate all of your hard work, I didn't mean for you to have to do that, but thank you. It looks good. I am also glad to learn that the subject is one that belongs as part of the history of Salem. The subject of sourcing is also always very intriguing for me to learn about, too. Thank you, again! Taram (talk) 17:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

MU en dash[edit]

I think the "–Columbia" bit should stay on for mentions prior to the 2007 name change. If you graduated from the college now known as Truman State before 1996, you would still say you graduated from Northeast. I believe there is precedent if you'll remember back to the Gdańsk/Danzig discussion. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 07:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I would agree with you, if it was as simple as that. From 1839-1963 there was no "-Columbia". Also, "Missouri State University", was used quite frequently around the turn of the century. Furthermore, primary usage should be the deciding factor and for much, if not all, of the period between 1963-2007 "University of Missouri" remained as the term most popular to describe the institution. especially in sports. Truman State, and Missouri State have both undergone many name changes, and though certainly more ambiguous I support usage of the modern name in those places as well, though caveats could be useful. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Salem, MO[edit]

Hi Grey Wanderer, Thank you again for working on the Salem, Missouri page and cleaning it up. I added a section about the election of a local resident to 8th Missouri congressional district. Tonight somebody kept blanking your section about the ACLU and the section about the US congressman from Salem. Gtwfan52 blanked it five times. I noted the following on her talk page, but she reverted it so it cannot be seen: "Hello, I'm Taram. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Salem, Missouri, because it did not appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Taram (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)" Then she put a statement on my talk page saying I am in violation of the 3 re-vert rule and added an insult. I think I am way over my head in this. I just want people to be informed with no primary citations and to not fight. In her insult, Gtwfan52 said that she was " done with this for the night, but I will be back tomorrow and get a WP:3O." I don't know what I should do here. I have probably messed up again. If you have any ideas and would like to check it, I would appreciate it. Thank you!!

BTW, how was the Great WicNic in St. Louis? I missed it, but it sounded like fun. Taram (talk) 06:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look. I didn't make it either unfortunately, but I'm sure it was a blast. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on fully illustrating National Register of Historic Places listings in Boone County, Missouri ‎![edit]

I left a note on the talk page and will mention it at WT:NRHP. We at WP:NRHP really need photographers in MO! Wiki Loves Monuments, which runs through all of September, might be a great time to get some more photos. Congratulations again. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki takes CoMo[edit]

I may or may not be hosting Wikipedia takes St. Louis again this year. If I am not, I will be in Columbia. Is Wikipedia Takes Columbia still on? Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 01:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Maty Mauk[edit]

Hi Grey. Saw where you'd done a bit of work on the Maty Mauk talk page and it brought to mind the thought that Wiki still needs a photo. Assuming you've not graduated yet and/or are still around CoMo I was wondering if you could solve that. Perhaps swing by Mizzou practice and take a candid shot of him or something? Or on campus? Any would do. Just putting on my Tigers hat now (lol) but I think the guy may have a long, notable career ahead of him so if his Wiki had a pic it would be a nice improvement. Much thanks & have a great Wiki kind of day. M-I-Z!!! Sector001 (talk) 05:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks[edit]

I am proud to have earned the Missouri barnstar. I do enjoy adding the histories, especially to the robot written articles. Google Free Books had been a big help. Regards, Gilliam (talk) 19:24, 20 April 2014 (UTC)


Just wanted to say thank you for creating Columbia City Hall (Missouri). I wasn't sure if that article was going to get created (so thus the speedy tag I put on the disambiguation page, etc.) The page didn't exist at the time, so ... Well, you probably know what I mean. Anyways, thanks; good to see the article and a disambiguation page that's been put to good use. Steel1943 (talk) 01:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Columbia, Missouri[edit]

Here are some thoughts about Columbia, written after you reverted my addition about the manufactured gas plant.

Most cities have former industrial sites that can be repurposed in interesting ways if the money is available. Factory buildings and warehouses with no significant soil contamination have been redeveloped as housing or office buildings, for example, and railway stations have become restaurants or tourist information offices. Polluted sites are more of a problem, because contaminated soil has to be cleaned or removed before the site can be redeveloped. If you live in or near Columbia, you might be able to find some additional instances of redevelopment of former industrial sites that as a whole would be notable - and perhaps you could add a picture to the article.

If Columbia once had a streetcar system, that would be worth mentioning. So might its current transit system, even if it only consists of buses and wheelchair transit vehicles. Data about the number of transit vehicles, transit employees, and annual transit budget ought to be available, although the transit agency may serve an area greater than Columbia itself. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 00:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Since there can't possibly be a source that gives the current population, reflecting every death and every person immigrating from elsewhere, we need to use either an official census result or an official estimate, and specify that the population is as of that point, rather than saying "is a city of X residents". Moreover, virtually all US county seats specify that they currently are the county seat; merely mentioning that it was founded as the county seat doesn't say anything about the current status, because we could with equal accuracy say "Warrenton was founded in 1828 as the county seat of Warren County", even though it's a ghost town now. I don't understand your point about the UA/MSA bit, because most of the MSA definitely doesn't fit the definition quoted in the introduction of List of United States urban areas. Per Missouri statistical areas, the Columbia MSA is the fifth largest MSA located at least partially in the state, and surely we can ignore the Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers MSA, as it's almost entirely in Arkansas, with just 22K people in Missouri. As long as we're talking about USCB terminology, see principal city if you've not previously; one doesn't find "principal municipality" in the USCB terminology. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Meet St. Louis area Wikipedians this Sunday[edit]

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