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The Little Prince[edit]

You have reverted my change to the Little Prince (section Illustrations") as "not useful addition". I think that an example of illustration is a good and useful addition to that specific section. I would prefer to add original illustration from the book, but I was not able to find them in Commons (copyright issue?) I think it is better to have this example of illustration than no example at all. Illustrations were too important for "The Little Prince"" to not have any example of them in the article about the book.Vitaly Repin (talk) 13:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The Cocoanuts[edit]

Hi GroveGuy. Remember that The Cocoanuts is a fictional play/movie, so whether there were any hotels in Cocoanut Grove or Beach is a bit beside the point. The hotel is in the beach, but the important scene with the auction takes place in Cocoanut Grove. -- kosboot (talk) 11:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Grove Guy. I don't have a copy of the script in front of me, but I've seen the film many times, and heard the soundtrack many times. If you insist, I'll try to view the film over the weekend, but the point they make in the film is that, like Orange, New Jersey (which is a series of towns - East Orange, West Orange, South Orange, etc.) the "Cocoanut" joke is that every area in and near the hotel is named Cocoanut something. I believe Cocoanut Beach is where the hotel is located and that the hollow tree stump where the jewels are hidden is Cocoanut Manor, lying on Cocoanut Grove. -- kosboot (talk) 13:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Coconut Grove[edit]

Good point, I'll edit them out. Thanks. --Comayagua99 (talk) 02:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Image without license[edit]

Unspecified source for Image:Dustjacket of The Yearling 1938 Original.jpg[edit]


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Coconut Grove is not a city[edit]

Coconut Grove is not a city, it's a neighborhood within the City of Miami despite what Ransom Everglade's website says. Look it up! :) --Comayagua99 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand that. Coconut Grove was it's own city before, but not anymore. It's a common misconception to think Coconut Grove is it's own city, when it is just a neighborhood within the City of Miami. "Coconut Grove, Florida" does not exist. "Coconut Grove, Miami, Florida" however, does. --Comayagua99 (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Again, it's a common misconception to believe Coconut Grove is it's own city. It's a neighborhood within the City of Miami. See: Hope that helps clarify things. :) --Comayagua99 (talk) 01:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Frost's home[edit]

Thanks for making that clarification. When I read through the Robert Frost page, I felt that reader was left with the impression that the Grove was in the City of South Miami. Good work! --Hokeman (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Coconut Grove schools[edit]

Hey! The schools I put in the list of Grove schools were either within the Grove's boundaries, or were schools that kids living in the Grove are zoned to, as is the case for Coral Gables High School. That's probably where the conflict really is, but either way, I guess it makes more sense to just have schools in the actual Grove boundaries listed. Either way... Cheers! --Comayagua99 (talk) 01:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Historical Association[edit]

I'm pretty sure I have. I just ran a search for "". --Scaletail (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Book Collecting[edit]

Hi. Donn Albright collects Ray Bradbury, with Bradbury's permission and help, and is pretty much a one-man Bradbury archives. He has almost all of Bradbury's manuscripts and copies of almost everything he's published in every edition, and has edited many of Bradbury's collections and limited editions. An amazing collector devoted to one author. While I don't have an outside reference offhand, many books have mentioned his collection. Thanks, Randy Kryn (talk) 00:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I reverted your edit to Evony, because Evony isn't a roleplaying game, it's a strategy game. Svick (talk) 08:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


I proposed a new meeting day, time and place here [1] under the section "New Suggestion" NancyHeise talk 07:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Miami meetup[edit]

Are we meeting tomorrow? We need to decide what time and where exactly. Please offer comments at the meetup page here [2]. NancyHeise talk 02:02, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Mango Gallery deleted from Fairchild[edit]

Those were the mangoes that were grown in Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden and that is why I thought they were relevant. I was going to add images of other tropical plants, trees and fruits that are located in Fairchild. Do you have any suggestion for any gallery in the Fairchild page in Wikipedia? Langra (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Langra - I don't have any suggestion for a gallery in the Fairchild page. You might look at what others do on similiar articles at Category:Botanical gardens in Florida . GroveGuy (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Citation to Miami U.S.A.[edit]

When you changed the publisher of Miami U.S.A. in the Julia Tuttle article, did you check that the page number did not change? I made the citation from a paperback edition with Hurricane House Publishers listed on the title page. -- Donald Albury 00:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I need help uploading an image[edit]

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I have tried to upload an image for two days. It is an image of the dust jacket of a novel. There is an article about this novel: Gladiator (novel). Could someone do it for me? Could they tell me what I'm doing wrong? GroveGuy (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is where the image can be found: (novel).jpg

Here is what the image should be named (to match the title of the article):

  Gladiator (novel).jpg

Here is a template with required information:

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Gladiator (novel)

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Have you tried Files for upload? Use the FUR above when you're using the wizard there and it should be uploaded in a matter of time. As far as what you've done wrong, there is no record of you uploading such a file at all, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 02:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Robert - thanks for seeing my request. I have gone to UPLOAD FILE in TOOLBOX. I click on COVER OF BOOK, filled in the form, and then hit the UPLOAD FILE button. Nothing happens. I bang on the UPLOAD FILE button. Nothing happens. I log out of Wikipedia, reIPL my computer, clean the cache, and try again. For two days. I'm getting frustrated. GroveGuy (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I would second Robert's advice to try IFU. However, the link you provide is not working right now. One question, you are trying to upload this image from your own computer aren't you, and not directly from that URL? AJCham 03:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
(Sorry, that was probably a bit of noob-ish question, and I see you've uploaded images before, so you clearly know what you are doing.) AJCham 03:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

AJ - That's it! I WAS trying to upload from that URL. I now tried it from my own computer and it seems to work. Thanks. GroveGuy (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, very well then – glad we got that sorted out! BTW, you need to edit the image description page and put the completed FUR template on there. AJCham 03:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

AJ - I fixed the template. Everything seems OK now. What a frustration. You'd think Wikipedia could have told me it wanted the picture from my computer rather than from some far away place. Let's hope I remember this for the next time. GroveGuy (talk) 03:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree – I've noticed that kind of behaviour before – I wanted to confirm that a specific file format was unsupported, so tried to upload one as a test. It just sat there and did nothing, rather than giving any useful error message. It is a bit silly. AJCham 03:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I should just clarify the above in case someone gets the wrong impression – I wasn't actually attempting to upload the file, just going through the motions – I wouldn't have clicked the upload button! AJCham 03:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Carl G. Fisher[edit]

Re: your comment ... I thought it was an interesting article, so I felt I should add it as a citation. By synchronicity, I also recently read about Fisher in AAA's New York state guidebook, and his role in developing the Lincoln Highway. Would that be a reliable source? If so, can I add it? Bearian (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[edit]

I have received your email. This dialog provides some context. My ulterior motive is consistency among various articles in a topic area. I had never heard of until that thread on my talk page.--Chaser (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please read and follow WP:CITE; the "footnotes" are not properly formatted and do not match any of our approved formats. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I am using WP:CT. In WP:CITE it says "editors are free to use any method for inline citations; no method is preferred over another." If you look further down in WP:CITE you will see WP:CITESHORT which looks to me as exactly the style I am using. Please give me a few days. I see you have added refimprove, nofootnotes, and wikify to this article. I will improve it as soon as possible. GroveGuy (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Parks book[edit]

Maybe you have the Arva Moore Parks book about the History of Miami which I been looking for at Books & Books, Barnes & Noble, etc. The article is likely going to be WP:FAR in the next month or two, as it doesn't meet criteria. I'm going to the Wolfsonian Museum Bookstore on South Beach on Wednesday to check if I could find the book. It would be nice if the article could be saved. Thanks Secret account 00:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


Hi GroveGuy, re: this reversion, your edit summary makes me think you either didn't look at my edit and its effect or you misinterpreted its intent. The edit does not remove information nor does it deny the veracity of the information. In the context of the lead, the hydrogen bomb information is trivia; it doesn't have anything to do with answering the primary question why (in the traditional set "who-what-when-where-why-how"), to wit, "Why was the ENIAC built?" The answer to that question has to do with ballistics tables and to get into a discussion of the hydrogen bomb problem is a sidetrack. If it deserves further discussion in the article, it should be discussed later in the article. To bring it up in the lead without further explanation there and then is simply to sidetrack the lead. (As for your "read the reference" remark in your edit summary, rest assured, I'm well versed in my ENIAC history. :-) ) Cheers, Robert K S (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Robert - I disagree with you. I know that you are the ENIAC expert. You have 152 edits versus my 22. Also you are a more experienced Wikipedian; 14,000 edits versus my 1000. I did look at your edit. I try to carefully look at everyone's edit. My disagreement is where the bomb info belongs. I think it belongs in the lead, not in a footnote. Most everyone interested in ENIAC is interested in it as a computer - how many tubes it had and how fast it ran; buffers, flipflops, and pulse streams. I think it is also crucially important what they were doing with it. This started out as a $61,000 project to compute ballistic tables that could well have ended in failure. Then Lt. Goldstine met Dr. John von Neumann and invites him to come see their project. In exchange for making the physics calculations the test problem (not ballistic tables) funds and priorities become unlimited. ENIAC was successfully completed two years later at a cost of $500,000. You might note that I added this info to the article on July 7, 2009. Blainster then moved most of the info to the beginning of the Programming section. On January 1, 2011 TedColes changed "H bomb" to "atomic" and Witshymanski changed it back. As for my "read the reference" remark, this was a citation you yourself added to the article. The article in the Times says "the machine is being used on a problem in nuclear physics". No mention of ballistic tables. I'd appreciate it if you would put the article back the way it was. GroveGuy (talk) 04:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Miami Springs[edit]

With 3.6 million articles in the English-language Wikipedia alone, only a fraction of them are closely monitored. Thanks for catching that one and reverting it. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Bryan Park (Miami)[edit]

Hello GroveGuy. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Bryan Park (Miami), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:00, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Camp Biscayne[edit]

Hello GroveGuy. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Camp Biscayne, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Neighborhoods of Miami[edit]

Speedy deletion was unlikely to work. I often decline speedy deletions when I work that list. You could try WP:Proposed deletion, but anyone can object and remove the template. In that case you can send them to WP:AfD. It is possible to bundle articles for AfD so that they all get considered together. AfD is chancy, though; there seem to always be editors who think every article, no matter how bad, should be kept. Getting an article deleted requires presenting compelling policy-based reasons for deletion. If the only source for these articles is an advertising web site, we might be able to convince a closing admin that they should be deleted. Even so, be prepared for a reaction. I once had editors demanding that I be banned from WP for having the temerity to nominate a particular article for deletion. (break) I just tried a little experiment. I've suspected that some of the advertising sites create a page in response to a search query. I just tried googling "Allapattah Heights" as a test. What I find is that there are many subdivisions with "Allapattah" in their name, Allapattah Heights, Allapattah Highlands, Allapattah Manor, Allapattah Square, Allapattah School(?), Central Allapattah, and South Allapattah Terrace (which may be in south Dade, not Miami). Maybe many of these "neighborhoods" that you are questioning are just subdivisions. -- Donald Albury 21:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Conch house article[edit]

Have you seen this: Conch house? I just stumbled across it the other day, and tried to clean it up. The definition is hard to pin down. One source confines the conch house style to Key West, Coconut Grove and Overtown. I don't know if you upload photos, but a licensed photo of an example or two would be nice in the article. -- Donald Albury 12:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, well. I thought of you because you're in the Grove. -- Donald Albury 00:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to intercede. I am also local in Miami and do lots of photos (maybe have not posted as many as Averette but I do post many of mine. If you point me to some address of examples (can discuss this by email if you want), I could do a photo for the article. -- Alexf(talk) 19:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Alex - the two examples given at are the Stirrup House at 3242 Charles Avenue and the Mariah Brown House at 3298 Charles Avenue in Coconut Grove. The email on your user page seems to be broken. GroveGuy (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Email going out. Mine is not broken. Works fine. I removed your email from the page. Never a good idea top post email addys in a public place. -- Alexf(talk) 22:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Images added. -- Alexf(talk) 21:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Alex - Your photos look very good, very professional. It doesn't seem though that the owners have much pride in their house. GroveGuy (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The Maria Brown house looks unoccupied, and the City of Miami site says it is undergoing reconstruction. It is harder to tell with the Stirrup house, but that red sign on the fence may be significant. -- Donald Albury 12:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Mariah Brown's is boarded up. The Stirrup looked empty (no furniture in the little I could see inside). -- Alexf(talk) 12:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The Yearling[edit]

I upgraded the article slightly in the past two days and thought perhaps they needed re-classification, but I've set both project classes to "C". The Florida project was set at stub class but the article is beyond that class. Sorry for the confusion! SingToMePlease (talk) 21:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Petar Lubarda[edit]

I appreciate for warning. I entered data from a large monograph about Peter Lubarda ISBN 86-905975-0-6. I am preparing to post on Lubarda significantly fill it soon.--Despotović (talk) 11:40, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Districts in Miami, Florida[edit]

I see that you asked Comayagua99 to delete one of Category:Neighborhoods in Miami, Florida and Category:Districts in Miami, Florida as a duplicate of the other. For your information, we don't just decide on the spot to delete such categories. In stead, please follow the following procedure:

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==== Category:Districts in Miami, Florida ====
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* :[[:Category:Neighborhoods in Miami, Florida]] - {{lc1|Neighborhoods in Miami, Florida}}
:'''Rationalle''': '''Merge one into the other''' as duplicate categories. ~~~~

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FAR for History of Miami[edit]

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Please help @ Donaldalburys talkpage[edit]

GroveGuy, I have User:Donald Alburys talk watchlisted, and decided to lend a hand with this since he seems to busy at the moment. The 2 IPs ( and have been warned at their talk pages and I added to the discussion at the Design District section on SPAM that you started, requesting that they join the conversation and provide valid reasons for including the WP:ELs. If they re-add without discussion there I'll file a WP:EDITWAR report(or if I'm away from computer this weekend and you notice their return, feel free to file the report). You probably should have taken these steps instead of merely reverting them as much as you did, as some might see you as participating in the edit war. Anyway, we'll see what they do, although I would advise you not to revert there again so as not to persist in the edit war yourself. Cheers, Heiro 23:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Florida Hospitals[edit]

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Hugo Danner[edit]

Hi, GG. Just wanted to check on something: The sentence "He would [drive a plane] far into Germany" contains a bracketed phrase ("drive a plane"). Bracketed phrases indicate a replacement of or addition to a phrase in some verbatim text. I just wanted to clarify: Does the book Gladiator actually have brackets in that sentence? What is the bracketed phrase replacing? --Tenebrae (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I will change Hugo Danner to have the exact quote.--GroveGuy (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks! --Tenebrae (talk) 00:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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Florida cultural events[edit]

Hi GroveGuy :-)

I now live in Saint Augustine, Florida, and plan to work with cultural heritage organizations and institutions in the area. I'm reaching out to you because you edit loads of articles about FL.

Do you have any interest in doing either outreach to cultural heritage organizations in FL or on wiki assistance to new editors from this sector.

In particular, I want to get the ball rolling planning Florida events related to Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 that will happen in September 2012. This years focus in the US is images of places on the National Register of Historic Places. While living in Kentucky, my husband and I took and uploaded images of places on the NRHP so I have a general idea of the process. I'm most interested in finding the gaps in coverage of historical sites in FL, and figuring out the best way to get these covered with local events. Maybe road trips to get some images in the outlying areas. We have a good amount of lead time so I think that this is doable.

Additionally, I plan to work with the Saint Augustine 450 Commemoration (a four year initiative to celebrate the founding of Saint Augustine and settlement of FL through educational and legacy projects) to see how that we can add value to their current events, and possibly plan some joint initiatives.

I'm also working with User:LoriLee, the U.S. Cultural Partnerships Coordinator for the Wikimedia Foundation, to create an listing of cultural organizations and institutions in the United States, and WMF volunteers interested in working with these organizations. The beginning stages of it are at Wikipedia:GLAM/US/Connect. We also plan to have State specific pages that link to the Wikiproject for each state.

Would love to hear your thoughts and idea, and to see if you have an interest in one or more of these projects? FloNight♥♥♥♥ 19:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

FloNight - Yes, I am interested in articles centered on South Florida - specifically things that are on the Miami Wikiproject. I would be interested in outreach to cultural heritage organizations in FL or on wiki assistance to new editors from this sector. Monuments are OK too. I notice you have already contacted Ebyabe. I don't travel too much, though. Too many people seem to quit Wikipedia after making one or two edits. It's not easy being a Wikipedian and I'd be willing to help the new people or potential editors. GroveGuy (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Great news that you are able to lend a hand. :-) I'd like to get a comprehensive list of GLAMs in the area. But we also need to pick some areas to focus on first.
Do you know of any cultural institutions that we should approach first in your area. At GLAMcamp DC last week, I heard about some nifty ideas for joint initiative that we could offer to do with museums or other places with exhibits or holdings. Or we can talk to places that have stuff that could be digitized and released on Commons?
There are lots of ways that you can help. I'll be back in touch soon. FloNight♥♥♥♥ 02:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Carmen Balcells[edit]

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New Page Triage engagement strategy released[edit]

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It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Carmen Balcells[edit]

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Age of Steam Roundhouse[edit]

Thank you for the interest in the article. It is pretty slim on citations. It is also a work in progress. It is not a hoax. You can check it out on their website. My interest in it stems from the fact that they own 4 locomotives that were in the possession of a tourist attraction that I used to visit when I was a kid. There are not many sources as it has not been open to the public yet. Besides their website, I have also cited the website of the architect and also a newspaper article about the latest locomotive they purchased in November, 2011. It is located on Smokey Lane, Sugarcreek, Ohio. I do not really know much about how to post coordinates. The fact that Jerry Joe Jacobson sold OCRR and kept all his vintage equipment is mentioned in many places, but not everyone is aware yet that he built this roundhouse. Take Care,--Ishtar456 (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Check this out Morehead News
My husband just looked it up on Google Earth. He said aerial of that area is dated 2006. Since construction on that building did not start until after 2008, you will not find it on Google Earth. --Ishtar456 (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

well, the Moorhead news is a newspaper. You really think that is a hoax? I think you skepticism may going a little too far. After my husband told me that the map he found was dated he found others that showed the project in different stages of development. He is using google earth. Are you using google maps? Here is a link to the people who did the timber framing. Are they a hoax too? Here are the coordinates 40°28'42.75" N 81°39'59.09" W I have a picture I can email you from google earth. I do not know how to post it here.--Ishtar456 (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the coordinates. I'm glad you found it. The pic my husband got off GE is from late in 2011 and it is really impressive. I am glad you saw it. I'm going to take a look at mapquest now.--Ishtar456 (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the video. I wish I could link it to the article. --Ishtar456 (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

about the date. I was not talking about google maps. When my husband looked it up on google earth he first hit on a map dated 2006. I thought you had said that you had check on google earth...anyway he kept looking and he found serveral images of it in different stages. The latest one was late in 2011. I noticed that google earth gives dates (and so does mapquest) but google maps does not. I put a thing on the talk page of the article in case others ask about this because if you click on the coordinates from the article you cannot see anything but an open field, so this might come up again.--Ishtar456 (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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It is always encouraging to find somebody interested in books. Thanks for the advice - it is a different world for somebody used to print editing. I am working on areas in which I am interested, expanding articles and adding references, etc.. I plan to set up a structure of stubs and then develop them later. I have been looking at the article on the Golden Cockerel Press, which is flagged up as needing attention. My temptation is to rewrite completely, rather than improve bit by bit. What do you think? Lowbourne (talk) 13:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Janua DYK editted[edit]

Hi, I updated the talk at . Can you comment? Thanks. Aloysius (talk) 18:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Should Broadway (Miami) be deleted?[edit]

Two cites; the first is dead and unrecoverable by the Wayback Machine, the second is a map that shows SW 15th Road without any mention of Broadway. -- Donald Albury 01:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that the two existing citations are not useful. I think User:Averette should provide citations that support calling this road Broadway. -- GroveGuy (talk) 05:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


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Jorge Mas Canosa[edit]


In journalism and scholarship text in a direct quote can be altered by enclosing minor or useful text in square brackets. Is this not the case on Wikipedia? It was confusing because it was next to a date, and I may have screwed it up. What's your advice?Chip.berlet (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it can be altered that way. But the least amount of altering of a direct quote is best. GroveGuy (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
OK.Chip.berlet (talk) 22:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Satellite Images[edit]

Ok, but I'm not convinced that the image shows what the editor was describing. How could I flag that up? Holbenilord (talk) 17:29, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Instead of flagging it up - why don't you change the description. Now that you point it out, I don't think that the description is very good. The word "faked" is kind of awkward. After all, every item in this article has a faked picture. I see in Google a blue blob where the lake should be. What do you see? -- GroveGuy (talk) 22:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
An irregularly shaped blue blob, with a number of white streaks on it, particularly in the upper right. The edge of the blob does seem very pronounced, and (assuming it is real) there is a definite difference in colour intensity between in and the surroundings. Looking at the article on the lake, the shape and colour do seem to match up, and looking at aerial images from other sources (such as [this], [this] and [this]), the image does look reasonable. Holbenilord (talk) 11:38, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey, you did great research here. That first photo looks just like the blob you can see in Google maps. Even though what I see in Google maps still looks kind of fakey to me, I'm going to delete the item for Lake Pinatubo. Good job to you! -- GroveGuy (talk) 21:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Use of a Notes section[edit]

Hi Groove, the Glenn Curtiss article has a bit of a conundrum as the original statement referring to the French License #2 was removed/reverted while I have two different sources that have noted that Curtiss received the French License #2 as an award for his winning the Gordon Bennett. In order to keep the statement which was in contention, I made it as a note to the reader for further review, with a source provided. When there are many issues in articles, the use of "notes to readers" helps to clarify, elaborate or explain context. See the following for effective use of the format: Amelia Earhart, Red Tails and the Battle of Britain. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC).


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Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden Art Section[edit]

Hey GroveGuy, I did some work on the art section because what was there was out of date. I put the new artists and listed what is currently at Fairchild. You were right about not listing the sponsors, so I made sure to keep that off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasielew (talkcontribs) 15:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Global Warming (Pitbull album)[edit]

I redirected it per WP:CRYSTAL BALL, No release date, cover, sources. When more information becomes available, then an article is justifiable, but as of right now, it fails inclusion. — Gabe 19 (talk contribs) 15:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I cleared the redirect. You can reach Zeugma, Syria. But please be quick. Somebody may redirect it again. Happy editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

John S. Collins[edit]

Thanks for you message - Collins had connections with Carl Fisher, who had ties to Florida and Indiana. I'm searching the Indiana Historical Society collections for additional resources related to Collins's association with Fisher beyond the existing external link on the Collins article. If I don't find anything further I'll delete the WikiProject GLAM-IHS tag. Rosalina523 (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Based on your note that their connection in Miami was a brief, one-time deal, I'll remove it from the project list. Thanks. Rosalina523 (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Barbour[edit]

Fixed, the bot doesn't have artificial intelligence so that it can't find human's mistake. --Makecat 01:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for North Antelope Rochelle Mine[edit]

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Phillip Frost[edit]

Hi there, in regard to why I moved Phillip Frost's full name to the lead, that is more how I've always seen it done in the Featured Articles over the years. I recall it being in the Manual of Style (WP:MOS), but it's been so heavily overhauled since my last visit that I can't find the precise instruction. Still, I can point to FAs like Peter Jennings, Barack Obama, George Washington (inventor) and Stephen Hawking. It used to be, when someone changes their name over time, the birth name would be mentioned in the section on early life (e.g. "born as _____"); but it seems now best policy is to include the birth name in the lead as well like Malcolm X, Emperor Norton, Judy Garland or Jackie Chan. But I digress. Eventually, if that article were to reach FA, it would end up following that convention. I admit some style guides are clunkier than others, but I do get the desire to keep some uniformity for readers who aren't as good with the language. --Bobak (talk) 19:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

German in "German Charles Ferdinand University".[edit]

Yes, it was the official name. Please look at the following certificate. Just above "Rector Magnificus". The name was "Universitatis Carolinae Ferdinandeae Germanicae", or in German, Deutsche Karl-Ferdinands-Universität, was the name of the university. I have other sources as well, if the certificate doesn't suit you. Furthermore, on English Wikipedia we do not bold foreign names, we merely have them in Italics. RGloucester📬 15:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It does say that on the sheepskin, but still - it just doesn't seem right to me. In the long run the Czechs did their ethnic cleansing and maybe it's best the Karl-Ferdinands-Universität disappears from memory. GroveGuy (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Don't think I'm a Czech nationalist, or anything like that. I feel that the expulsion of the German Bohemians and everything that entailed was horrible, and I'm very interested in pre-1918 Bohemia and Bohemistics. I think it is very important for people to know what happened, to know that Bohemia has a huge wound at its heart. A wound that will never heal. For what's it is worth, the Czech university also had the "Czech" attached. It was until after the First War that Czechs began to demand that the German university be devalued. RGloucester📬 19:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Everglades Club[edit]

Hello. I saw you had a referenced sandbox for the Everglades Club in Palm Beach, Florida. Would you please consider creating it as a page--and expanding it? I can try to help a little as well. Please reply on my talkpage. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I know we had a problem with the Belle Meade Country Club, even though it is in many ways the new Augusta in terms of how elite it is...But sure, we can spilt your article into two, with a section about its most notable members. I do think that is very significant.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Everglades Club[edit]

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Usage of "must"[edit]

The problem with using "must be done" is that it is instructing the reader. Wikipedia does not instruct readers. Whether something must be done or not is irrelevant, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. People who want to learn the intricacies of how to appraise used books need to find a different source than Wikipedia. I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed on the article, but List of used book conditions not really compliant in its current state. One possible way around this issue is to simply state what appraisers/booksellers/whoever do: Appraisers must note any damage to the book. This avoids the problem of instructing readers on how to perform the job themselves. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate - I modified the article to explain why the words which were a direct quotation should not be changed. GroveGuy (talk) 08:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh, they're direct quotations? In that case, they should be in quotes. Instructing editors is also bad; it's a self-reference. The reason why we don't say "do not change this line" is that people may not be reading this on the Internet. If someone publishes a collection of Wikipedia articles in a book (as they sometimes do), readers who come up instructions on how to edit the article will be confused, as it doesn't make any sense. Is the entire list a direct quotation? I'm sorry for my ignorance on this subject. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Miami and Epodunk[edit]

We shouldn't be using Epodunk anyway. Stick to official census sites. Thanks for your edit there. Dougweller (talk) 06:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Silk Road[edit]

Hi - you need to read WP:DEADLINK. In any case, I searched and found the link - [3]. Dougweller (talk) 05:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I fixed the article using the link you found. I did not check that the link supports the info in the silk road article. -GroveGuy (talk) 06:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thomas Harris[edit]

Hi GroveGuy,

You have reverted my Thomas Harris edits twice. I cited where I got my information but they are not online sources. I work in a library and we have the Texas Birth Index on microfilm. You wanted me to cite a source where "others can look at it too." I'm not sure how to do that. The index is available through, but you have to purchase a membership.

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Xufanc - I know it is the policy for articles to have infoboxes but the settlement infobox doesn't seem to fit. Also, it is disappointing to see you adding this infobox to many articles and have you say you aren't aware of why this is the right infobox to use. You're adding 2700 characters to the article almost all of which is invisible to the visitor. GroveGuy (talk) 06:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Bell template[edit]

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Harry - If you want to reedit those two articles you can add the "state=collapses" phrase. -GroveGuy (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Pitbull and Twista have done multiple tracks together[edit]

From Twista's The Day After album, there was the Hit the Floor they did together and from Pitbull's The Boatlift album they did the song "Candyman" together so that was multiple times right as it was more than once? Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Pitbull thought so little of the song "Candyman" that he didn't make a youtube video of it.-GroveGuy (talk) 01:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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University of Miami[edit]

A Wikipedia article is not an advertisement or promotion for the subject of the article, and universities and colleges are not immune from the policies of WP:PROMO and WP:WEIGHT. Images in the infobox should be of a size to be easily seen by the reader without having to click through, but not so large that they become a de facto promotion. Please do not change the size of the seal back to 200px, which is much too large, and therefore violates both PROMO and WEIGHT. BMK (talk) 02:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I think it looks better at 200. 200 fits within the infobox without widening it. Lots of schools are at 200 such as Harvard Univeristy and University of Florida. Are you going to change them all? GroveGuy (talk) 03:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)