User talk:Grrrlriot/Archive 1

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Adoption offer

Hi Grrrlriot. I see you're looking for adoption. I'm an experienced user (been around since February of this year, and have more than 4,500 edits), and I'd be happy to adopt you, if you're interested. I have a pretty solid understanding of most elements of Wikipedia, but I'm still not much good at prettifying articles (vidually, like), so if that's a concern, you might want to choose someone else. Anyway, I'm on offer - let me know. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

That's certainly the most important component. I can also keep an eye on your edits and provide feedback and suggestions, and intervene in any disputes you might be having.
For now, I have a couple of very small recommendations: first, in articles about people, the Wikipedia manual of style for biographies recommends that the subjects be referred to by their last names, not their first names as you've done here and here. It's not a huge deal, but it's best to conform to the manual of style unless there's a compelling reason not to. Second, it's quite important to add reliable sources whenever you make factual statements, to adhere to Wikipedia's policy on verifiability - this and this could probably use some reliable sources for verification; if you have such sources, I can help you with putting them into the article.
Last, and most important, don't be afraid to screw up. At least 99.8% of editors make mistakes when they start on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia's built in such a way that it's easy for these mistakes to be corrected. I'll point out things you do wrong when you do things wrong, but that shouldn't be taken as an indication that you're not doing a good job here; it's just to help speed up the learning process (I wish I'd known about the adopt a user program when I'd started; I probably would have screwed up much less). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the recommendations! I really appreciate your help, Sarcasticidealist.--Grrrlriot (talk) 22:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
My pleasure. One new thing: whenever you link to a category by typing [[Category:Feminism]] (or whatever other category you might type), the page in question gets added to that category. In the case of user talk pages and the like, where you're just mentioning the category rather than actually trying to categorize the page, that's unhelpful. To prevent this, just place a colon after the opening brackets, like so: [[:Category:Feminism]]. That leaves the link intact without actually adding the page to the category. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


Did you want to join WP:LGBT? You put your name at the end of the "Inactive" list, so I wasn't sure... If you do want to join, visit WP:LGBT/M and move your name to active? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'd like to be on the active list. I moved my name to the active list. Thanks for pointing this out to me. --Grrrlriot (talk) 03:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh good! Now I can give you this:
Drawing-Gay flag.png

Hi, Grrrlriot, welcome to WikiProject LGBT Studies!

We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles of interest to the LGBT community. Some points that may be helpful:

  • Our main aim is to help improve LGBT-related articles, so if someone asks for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able.
  • Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is highly recommended that you watchlist it.
  • The project has several ongoing and developing activities, such as article quality assessment, peer review and a project-wide article collaboration, all of which you are welcome to take part in. We also have a unique program to improve our lower quality articles, Jumpaclass, so please consider signing up there.
  • If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to our translation section, to help us improve our foreign LGBT topics.
  • If you're planning to stay, have a square in our quilt! You can put anything you want in it.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you.

And once again - Welcome!

-- =D SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! I'm glad to be part of Wikiproject: LGBT Studies. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


I was the founding token male member of the Jackson, TN NOW; reckon you could say I'm interested. (Son of a woman, brother of women, husband of a woman, father of a woman-to-be; don't see how I could feel right not being a feminist!) Whereabouts in Tennessee do you live? I'm coming to Chattanooga in January, as I do every year, for Chattacon, the local S.F. convention. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that. I live near Knoxville. Nice to meet you. I hope to see more of your edits in the future. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at this

It's almost done: Glossary of philosophical isms.

The Transhumanist 04:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks that does interest me. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Away for a few days

Hey - just wanted to let you know that I'll be away from the internet from December 27 until December 30, inclusive. I'll be happy to address any questions you might have upon my return; until then, happy holidays. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 12:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I hope you had happy holidays! Welcome back! --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and likewise. And as always (except for between December 27 and 30, of course), I'm here if you have any questions. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

More feedback

Hey, you seem to be doing very well - good work in citing references to the material you added to Kathleen Hanna. With regards to the material you added to Global Feminism, I'm not quite sure what you were trying to do. As you've probably noticed, Wikipedia doesn't have articles for Transnational Feminism or International Feminism. It might have made sense to add those redlinks in if you planned on creating those articles (or if you just thought that they should exist and hoped that somebody else would), but you seem to be saying that those are the same thing as Global Feminism, in which case separate articles wouldn't make very much sense. It might make sense to make those redlinks redirect to Global Feminism; do you know how to do that? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't know how to do that. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Create the article by clicking on the redlinks. Make the content of each article #REDIRECT[[Global Feminism]]. That way, whenever anybody searches for "international feminism" or "transnational feminism", they'll get redirected to Global Feminism automatically. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 17:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I just done that. Did I do it right? --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Now I'd recommend removing the Wikilinks to those articles from the Global Feminism article, since they just link back to itself. Your choice, though. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Which links do I remove? --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) I would personally remove the links under "See also" to Transnational feminism and International feminism. Usually users click those links to learn more about a given topic (or topics related to it); if they clicked those, they'd just be redirected back to the same article they were already reading, which I suspect would be frustrating. Of course, all of this assumes that the three terms basically mean the same thing; if they mean different but related things, it might be more appropriate to remove the redirects and develop new articles under those names. In that case, it would make sense to keep the links. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I removed the links. --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
How am I doing on here so far? --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, SatyrBot! I'm glad to be a member of the wikiproject. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


Hey there. I've left a message at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Portals. I thought if you want to start Portal:Feminism, and BHG wants to start Women, I'd start Gender studies. I'm hoping to get a little input from the project (maybe ask LGBT if anyone over there would like to contribute), but I'd be willing to help out for both of the other portals (extra pair of eyes?). This is good, I feel like we've got some momentum going here - thanks! Phyesalis (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked the message you left for User:BrownHairedGirl. That sounds like a good idea. Your welcome! Thanks for wanting to do this! I really appreciate your support! :) I would be glad to hear your input on the feminism portal. I want to hear your ideas about the feminism portal, I'm willing to get it started if I know what ideas/things should be on the portal. Keep in mind, I am new to Wikipedia, (not sure if you knew that) so I don't know everything about wikipedia and I do make mistakes sometimes, so you can try to help me out since you have been around here for a while. If you want to discuss this even more, You can always send me an email. (See my userpage for my email.) User:Cailil seemed to be interested in all 3 as well. I left him a message on User_talk:Cailil to see if he wants to help with the feminism portal, Do you want me to see if he's interested in helping with the gender studies and women portal too? Read more on his talk page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah! Thank you. Your enthusiasm has reinvigorated mine. And it doesn't matter that you're new - that's what being WP:Bold is all about. Hell, I've only been doing this for a total of 5 or 6 months - hardly more than a newbie myself. Trying stuff like this is the only way to learn (I've never started a portal either!). But I'm happy to help out in any way - feel free to email me too, post q's on my talk page, or check out WP:IRC. And mistakes? Mistakes in good faith are just learning experiences, so don't worry about that.
I'd welcome Cailil's input on any of the portals. He does good work. I've also notified the other editors who signed up for the Feminism Wikiproject proposal (User:Alison, User:Pigman, User:Lquilter and some others). Once we get template pages started we could get the collaborations posted over at the Community portal to draw more attention. Oh, what a nice start to my day! Phyesalis (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I appreciate your kindness. I haven't heard from Cailil yet. What is the link to the Feminism Wikiproject proposal? I signed up for it, but I can't remember the link. That sounds like a good idea. This is a good start to my day too! --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Fast work! I've started Portal:Gender studies. The link is here under feminism. I've also posted a question about some issues I've been having over at Help. Phyesalis (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Fast work for you to. I started Portal:Feminism. Thanks for the link. I haven't been having any issues, so far. I'm just thinking of things to add to the portal. --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Ack! That's what I meant - fast work on the portal. Phyesalis (talk) 01:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
lol Sorry. I added a category to your Portal:Gender studies page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Thank you kindly for your feedback. There is a way to automatically add users to categories based on userboxes, but I've never bothered to learn how it's done. Besides, I think just sort of browsing around is a better way to find people with like interests. (You can always go to the userbox page and click on "what links here".) Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 01:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! I created Portal:Feminism thought you might be interested in giving me ideas for the portal. If you are interested, Reply to this comment or send me an email. My email is on my userinfo page. Thanks again! --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Looks like a worthy project. Alas, I'm a bit busy with a handful of projects at the moment, but I'm always willing to loan my eyes to whatever the project develops. (I also know a bit about templates and CSS and HTML and all that stuff, so feel free to bug me about technical stuff if it comes up.) Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 01:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! :) I might need technical help in the future, if so, I will contact you. Thanks again! --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I do know a thing or two about designing pages, so I can give you pointers for your userpage, or make something up if you prefer. What did you have in mind? – Scartol • Tok 03:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of turning the subpage links into images that most users have at the top of their userpages. Any other ideas for it? --Grrrlriot (talk) 03:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Not really; the subpage tabs look good. I think JayHenry has a nice setup. – Scartol • Tok 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree, His setup looks really good. I like how it looks simple and easy to navigate. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm willing to do some design for your userpage, but I'll need a few days (maybe a week), and some idea of what you're looking for. Certain color schemes? Any particular images? 1 or 2 columns? Etc. – Scartol • Tok 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear that and take as long as you need. I'm not real picky on colors. I don't have a particular image in mind either. I will tell you a few userpages I like: User:Cailil, User:LaraLove, User:Sango123 and User:The Transhumanist. If you need to know anything else, Just ask. --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Definitely still interested, as you can see on my Works in Progress list. But I'll probably need another week or so. Thanks for your patience. – Scartol • Tok 16:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Great! I'm glad to hear that. That's fine with me. Also, Category:Wikipedians interested in feminism might interest you. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

other wikis

hi grrrlriot - you list these other wikis; would you consider putting in links to them directly? anarchopedia, feministwiki, Zinewiki ... i know the zinewiki but not feministwiki, and somehow, i didn't know about anarchopedia ... --Lquilter (talk) 17:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lquilter! :) It's good to see you around other talk pages. I just put up the links directly to the other wikis. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


I'd like to first welcome you to the Anarchism Task Force, and let you know that I reverted your addition of the Anarchism in Somalia to the List of anarchist movements by region, because it's a redirect to Anarchy in Somalia, which really has nothing to do with anarchism as a movement, but more "anarchy" like chaos. But again, welcome to the project! Murderbike (talk) 04:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Murderbike! :) Thanks for the welcome! I'm glad to be a part of the task force. I plan on doing some edits on other anarchism articles in the future, so I joined the task force. I realize what I done to the List of anarchist movements page and I now realize it does redirect to Anarchy in Somalia. By looking at your userpage, I can tell we share quite a few interests. I'm glad you found me. Hope to see more of your edits in the future! --Grrrlriot (talk) 04:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Of course, lately I've been almost exclusively working on anarchism-related stuff, so if you'll be around, we'll be sure to run into each other. Feel free to ask if you're looking for projects to work on, we've got tons! Murderbike (talk) 05:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure we will see more of each other around the Anarchism Task Force. I noticed a lot of missing/non-created articles. I was thinking of starting some of those up. A lot of them looked interesting to me. Can you give me a list of projects that I could work on? Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Piping in -- In my view, we need a good bit of work on anarchafeminism and related articles. Emma Goldman was just made FA which is great, but many other prominent female anarchists have very poor articles (e.g., Lucy Parsons), there's been little work done on issues of gender equality in early anarchist periodicals, we should really have an article on "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" -- that's been such a hugely influential work .... also Lizzie Borden (filmmaker) and Born in Flames could use some work, I think.--Lquilter (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Lquilter! :) I think the Emma Goldman article is great! I added a little bit about Lucy Parsons under the "Death" section. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, if you're more interested in the fem side of things, Mujeres Libres would be a really good candidate. There's plenty of source material out there to tap. Murderbike (talk) 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a little to Mujeres Libres, but I plan on adding more to it in the future as well. --Grrrlriot (talk) 04:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


thanks for your kind wishes re: my rfa, which was successful. (yaay) --Lquilter (talk) 13:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! :) Yay! I'm glad to hear that, Lquilter! Congrats!!! I figured you'd pass. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for your encouraging note

Dear Grrrlriot, you have left me a small note encouraging me on my contributions. Many thanks. My field of knowledge is French feminism, french feminist psychoanalysis, french post-modern art, french post-modern philosophy, and the links between all these subjects. I try from time to time to contribute, but I don't really know how to do complicated wikipedia jobs like putting on photos or do anything other than putting more knowledge here and there. I thank you for your encouragement, and, for the moment, I believe that I will remain quite minimalist with my contributions, but I wonder if I can contact you to help me if I have suggestions concerning operations that I do not know to do, like indeed, putting photos when I obtain permission, etc.. Anyway, thanks again for your kindness. (talk) 23:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello! :) Your welcome! I don't know ALL of the complicated wikipedia jobs either. I am still learning. Most of my contributions is adding knowledge, Just like your doing. Sure, Feel free to contact me if you need help. Thank you for contributing to wikipedia! --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music January 2008 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 10 - January 2008
"I still have people come up to me like, 'I really, really liked your last record.' 'Oh, thanks!' 'Are you going to do "Loser" tonight?' I'm like, 'Look, I'm six foot six. Beck is five foot sex, all right?'"- Thurston Moore
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Thanks for the newsletter! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem, didn't realize delivering the newsletter would get me that smiley though. Yay! xihix(talk) 03:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Your welcome! I'm glad I got the newsletter. --Grrrlriot (talk) 03:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Hi Grrrlriot - I've been a shamefully delinquent adoptive parent lately, and I apologize for it. I'll have a more detailed answer to your question sometime tonight. Again, sorry about that! Sarcasticidealist (talk) 17:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It's ok, Sarcasticidealist. I figured that you had been busy. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for mine! WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDENplay it cool. 20:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome and thank you! --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Some thoughts on how you're doing

Hi Greta (do you mind if I call you that? You should feel free to call me Steve, if you want). As promised, here's some feedback I've compiled after looking over your last few edits. You're generally doing very well (which is good, because if you were screwing up all over the place I'd feel really guilty for neglecting your tutelage). Some things that I think you're doing well include the following:

  • Most of the links you add are very good, and entirely appropriate according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
  • You're referencing most of the information you add very well. A note: people disagree quite often on what sources are reliable and what sources aren't; if somebody tells you that a source isn't reliable, that might just be their opinion. You should read WP:RS (if you haven't already) to develop your own opinions, and you can always feel free to ask my opinion (or another editor's).
  • You're doing great work in organizing the project (categorizing, adding relevant articles to lists, inserting internal links, etc.).
  • You've also started doing some nice work in article creation, which is great too (it's certainly my favourite part of being a Wikipedia editor).
  • Great work in welcoming Wikipedians and also leaving friendly notes here and there. A very important part of being a Wikipedian is being the sort of editor that other people want to work with; a lot of people are slow to figure that out. Are you familiar with barnstars? They're the traditional Wikipedian way of complimenting people on a job well done. Of course, if you'd prefer to do it using notes, that's fine too.

Some tips for the future:

  • Remember to use edit summaries as often as possible.
  • I noted your participation in the deletion debate over Kawaii Noir. In the future, if you ever want an article that you created (and that nobody else has worked on) deleted, you can just add {{db-author}} to the page, and an admin will delete it. Or you can just ask me to delete it.
  • Regarding edit, note that Wikipedia is not censored. That doesn't mean that you should go adding graphic information to every article, of course, but if there's something that you think would really improve the article, don't be afraid to add it for reasons of censorship. Of course, you can always discuss it on the talk page first.
  • With regards to Alice Masaryková, you've referenced it well, so I removed the “unreferenced” tag (you can feel free to do that yourself, in the future, provided you've attached references). With regards to the notability tag, I think it would be helpful to include in the first sentence of the article exactly what made her important; then we can get rid of that tag too.
  • You've had a couple of issues with copyright violations; as you've probably figured out for yourself by now, it's very important that you put material from references into your own words, rather than copying verbatim.
  • A heads-up: some users don't appreciate smiles, like the ones that you've been spreading. I don't think there's anything wrong with them (as long as they're not all you're doing – we are here to build an encyclopaedia, after all), but there's a good chance that you'll get some kind of rude reception at some point if you keep them up.

Finally, one random question: have you set up a watchlist yet?
Please let me know if you have any questions, and I promise to be more diligent in helping you in the future. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Also: archiving your talk page. The easiest way (what I do) is to use User:MiszaBot III. Instructions are here; please let me know if you have any questions. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 11:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Steve! No, I don't mind you calling me Greta. Thanks for letting me know what things I'm doing good at. I do need to use edit summaries more often. I think I will discuss what I want to add on Talk:Trevor Brown. I will add what made Alice important to the article. I have realized that I need to put stuff into my own words. Those are all the smileys I'm going to give out. Yes, I already have a watchlist set up. I was about to ask you how to archive a talk page. I will set this up within a few days and I will work on what I just said within a few days as well. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you ...

for the smile! Fg2 (talk) 11:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, anytime! --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


You had some unnecessary stuff there (that first bit was just setting out the general format to use; it wasn't actually useful code), so I deleted it. Other than that, you've got it set up properly to remove anything more than seven days old and stick it in one archive page. That page will eventually get pretty big, though. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the code for me. It will make more archive pages too, right? --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
As you've set it up, it actually won't. If you check out the how to, it sounds like you actually want to do something like what they show you how to do in Example 2 or 3 (I'd recommend 2, because you don't seem to have enough talk page activity to justify creating a new archive every month). If you'd like, I can set it up for you, or you can try to figure it out if you'd rather learn yourself. Let me know, in any event. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 01:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I changed it to 2, like you suggested. Did I do it right? --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Close - the only thing is that you should start with Archive 1; I've made the change. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Also, 48 hours might be a little short a period to leave things on your main talk page; I've gone with 28 days. It's your choice, though. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making the change for me. 28 days sounds good to me. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Have a Barnstar!

User:Jaytur1/Secret page Even though you cheated. --Jay 10:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know I cheated. It was pretty easy to find: Special:Prefixindex/User:Jaytur1 Thanks for the barnstar! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Portal updates

Just dropping you a line about the portal. Since I picked (rather unilaterally) last months picture and article for Portal:Feminism would you like to go ahead and pick this month's ones? We should also discuss what ones should be used for March and April as well--Cailil talk 13:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like a stupid question, but how do you pick the article and the picture? I picked Judith Butler as the article, but there is only a text link to the page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Not a stupid question at all. You have to create the page, manually replacing the picture and writing an article summary. I copy and paste from the old version - replacing and adding where necessary. I've done the selected article page - if you have any problems doing the others give me a shout--Cailil talk 18:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I understand it now. Does the same go for the selected picture archive as well? --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah pretty much. The code is a bit trickier in some parts of the SI archive put it's basically the same--Cailil talk 18:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks for answering my question about picking articles, pics, and stuff for the portal. I also replied to your comments on the task force at the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gender_Studies page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Your welcome! :) Congrats!!!! --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Adoption

Yeah, sure! Welcome to Wikipedia! If there's anything you need explaining, please ask! WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN round of applause 18:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

GREAT! Thanks! :) I've been around since December 2007. I've learned some stuff about wikipedia, but I'm open to learn more about it as well. I usually have questions about edits and other stuff concerning wikipedia, so if I do have a question, I will ask. Thanks again! I added the userbox to my page as well. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi, You left a note on my page, we share in the interest in feminist issues. I want to thank you for your attention, Doraannao (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Doraannao! :) I remember leaving you a welcome message on your talk page. I love all things feminist related! You might be interested in this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gender_Studies#Subcategory.2FTask_Force_of_Feminism. Your welcome! I like meeting others into feminist issues. --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sure, thanks again, i am trying my way around, and sometimes losing my way, so each small welcome is important. Doraannao (talk) 23:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, anytime! If you have any questions or anything, Please let me know. I will try to help you, if I can. I am still new around here too, but I have learned quite a bit lately. --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


WPGS barnstar2.png The WikiProject Gender Studies Award
For your tireless work on Portal:Feminism and the new taskforce, not to mention your enthusiasm, I hereby award you this Gender Studies barnstar. Congratulations, you've earned it. Please, keep up the good work! Phyesalis (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this for the task force use or is this a barnstar for me? I'm confused, sorry. lol --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It's for YOU, silly! --Phyesalis (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay! :) My first official barnstar! hehe Thanks, Phyesalis! --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite, and while I'm very interested in article relating to feminism (obviously, I hope), I don't feel comfortable – giving my intense workload these days – signing up for another task force or project. I'll be glad to review article from time to time and help out in other ways when time permits, but I can't sign up right now. Apologies and good luck! – Scartol • Tok 00:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Your welcome! I totally understand. If and when you have more time on your hands, feel free to sign up. I could always use help on the task force: article reviews and helping in other ways when time permits, sounds good. --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


I don't know if you've seen this or not, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies might make the Feminism Task Force a little redundant. Murderbike (talk) 01:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

That's where I was going to originally put the task force, but someone suggested on the feminism portal. Would it be better on the GS WikiProject instead? If so, I will move it. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I believe this was discussed over there. As the FTF is part of the feminism portal, which is itself a sub-portal of Gender studies. There's a link at both portals. I don't see it as redundant - it's a sub-process of GS. --Phyesalis (talk) 02:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Cool, no big deal to me. Good luck! Murderbike (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Murderbike! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I therefore have a question about the WikiProject banner: Should we include the Task Force line in the GS WikiProject banner? I can't imagine how else to do it; other task forces don't have their own WP banners, do they? – Scartol • Tok 14:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I've taken the bold step of adding it. – Scartol • Tok 14:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Marcia Freedman

Hi. Thanks for starting the article. I tried to polish it up a bit. A word of advice: try not to copy and paste language from other sites, because the text of new articles is often compared to Google searches for WP:COPYVIO problems.

I thought you might be interested in Women's Party (Israel), which has more information about Freedman. In fact, many of the articles at Special:Whatlinkshere/Marcia Freedman are interesting, if the minutia of left-wing Israeli politics interests you. Smile.pngMalik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 21:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Malik! :) Your welcome for starting the article. It's only a stub, but at least she has an article. I noticed you were fixing the article. (It's in my watchlist.) Thanks for polishing up the article. I did copy and paste text, but while doing so, I put the text in my own words, so that it wouldn't be a WP:COPYVIO issue. Thanks for letting me know about Women's Party (Israel). I will check it out right now. Yes, Left-wing Israeli politics does interest me. I actually found out about Marcia yesterday, while looking through feminists on the internet. Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I've expanded the article again based largely on her Knesset bio. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Number 57! Thanks for expanding the article! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. According to Freedman's Hebrew Wikipedia article, she divorced her husband during the 1977 election and came out later, and to date she's the only "out" lesbian member of Knesset. Over the next few days I'll look for some more sources about her. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for translating what the hebrew article said about Marcia Freedman. The article does need more sources, so this will help out the article. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey, just so ya know, when someone is placed in a category like "Japanese feminists", they are automatically included in "Feminists", because the former is a subcategory of the latter. It is always preferred to use a subcategory when possible, and leave out the mother category. Cheers! Murderbike (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Just to add: that one took me forever to learn. In fact, I spent a long time once copying all of the articles from the subcats of Category:Alberta MLAs to the main category. User:Bearcat didn't grumble too much about having to fix them all.
How's everything going generally? I see you got your first barnstar; that's way earlier than I got my first (I got my first last month). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Everything's going good, How about with you, Steve? Yes, I did get my first barnstar. Really? Congrats on your barnstar too!!! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


Scartol can make excellent templates and userboxes and would more than likely help out with the project. Awadewit | talk 17:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I should ask him. Waiting on his reply right now. --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I'd be happy to. I think I can even say (no promises, but if all goes to plan) that I can do the userpage work I promised weeks ago – and these templates/userboxes – this weekend. Now, since I'm volunteering to help with the advancement of feminism on Wikipedia, and I've (hopefully) earned my "street cred" as a feminist myself, is it okay (and will my ironic intent be evident) if I make a joke about how you women are coming to me, a man, to build templates? =D (Next Signpost Headline: "Obnoxious Wikipedian stabbed to death by members of new Task Force") – Scartol • Tok 18:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Great! :) I'm glad to hear that. When you do make the templates and userboxes, Let me know here on my talk page. Also, When you do make them, Post them on the FTF page. lol Yes, It's fine to make the joke. haha! Believe it or not, Scartol, When I first started talking to you I thought you were a girl, until I looked at your user profile. I guess I thought of your username as 'feminine' or "Scarlett" or something. lol Thanks for agreeing to do this! Like I said, I know your super busy, with things your currently working on, so now you can add this to your list too. hehe As for the templates and userboxes, I'm not trying to rush you or anything, but if you could have them done in 2 weeks, the most time. My userpage can be put off, while your making these. Like I said, I'm pretty patient when it comes to my userpage design. As long as you do it sometime in the future, I am satisfied. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Three things:
  1. We should choose an icon to use on the userbox and templates. this image from the "this user is a feminist" userbox seems an obvious choice, but perhaps there's another which would be more fitting?
I like the image, I can't think of another image that would be more fitting at the moment. Can you? --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  1. Is there a particular color scheme you'd like to use in these templates?
No. I am not picky on color schemes. That's totally up to you. ;) --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  1. I hate to be pedantic, but I'm an English teacher and I feel obligated to say it: You have a habit of using "your" when you mean "you're". I generally feel comfortable correcting people on little things like this, but it's kind of distracting. =) Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 13:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose you're right. I will try to correct this. I didn't notice until you told me. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I've made a userbox; please gimme feedback. Also, is there a list of templates you want for the task force? Or should I just make some equivalent to other wikiprojects/task forces? – Scartol • Tok 13:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I commented on the discussion page for the userbox. I love it! What do you mean by "making some equivalent to other wikiprojects/task forces"? I think the feminism-stub is a good one and I think one about "This article about a feminist is a stub...". I like the the feminism and feminism footer templates. Try looking at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Philosophy/Anarchism. It's a task force of Philosophy to see templates they have. Perhaps we could have similar templates relating to feminism. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going to fill your talk page up with stuff all day; is that okay? =) I found some templates at WikiProject Gender Studies, and added them to the task force page. As for infoboxes, Awadewit – who has been a most valuable mentor to me ever since I first set foot on WikiGround – has said (and I agree) that infoboxes are often distracting and repetitive. I can make a standard infobox for the task force if you like (I see there's a place for them), but I just wanted to run it by you first. – Scartol • Tok 13:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
That's fine. =) Sounds great! You're right about infoboxes. What type of stuff would be on the infobox? --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Well, we generally don't use them at all. In some contexts they may be useful (on pages explaining a movement taking place over many years, perhaps), but by and large I don't care for them at all. (I can't speak for her; this is my approximation of her perspective.)

As for templates, I'll make one for the feminist stubs later today; otherwise, I think we have most of the ones we need (they already existed at WP:GS). (By "making some equivalent to other wikiprojects/task forces" I meant what you suggested – seeing what the Anarchism force, for instance, has, and making some like them.) So it looks like we're good to go! I'll add the userbox later today as well.

You'll also be happy to know that the number of people in Category:Wikipedians interested in feminism has jumped dramatically today, since I fixed the "this user is a feminist" userbox to automatically list those who display it on their userpages. Maybe more people to contact for the task force? – Scartol • Tok 18:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I see no use for infoboxes either. Anyhow, That's Great! Don't forget to add the userbox later today. I noticed a few minutes ago that the number of people in Category:Wikipedians interested in feminism has jumped dramatically today. I added 2 more people to the category, which I'm sure they will be ok with me adding them to the category. I also added Portal:Feminism and Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force to the category as well. Thanks for fixing the feminism userbox you made to let it list people in my category. I really appreciate it! :) They could be more people to contact about the task force. I have contacted a few people on their talk pages, but I haven't contacted none of the people in the category. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Name change from Religious feminism to Feminist theology

Well, I did it. Apparently you can't change the title of an article in WP, so I just removed the redirect from Feminist theology and copied the contents of Religious feminism. Please let me know what you think! I hope that I did everything correctly. BTW, thank you for your help in getting me added to the feminism category! Webbbbbbber (talk) 21:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Webbbbbbber! :) I like the name change of the article. Yes, You did everything correctly. Your welcome! Feel free to tell others about the category as well. Also, You might be interested in: Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force. --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh good.  :-) I'm glad that I'm not the only one who found the other title odd and little bit pejorative... I'm learning a lot about how Wikipedia works! ...but I couldn't figure how to get Feminist theology to appear under Category:Feminism . Webbbbbbber (talk) 23:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
That's good! Go to the Feminist theology article and under external links add Category:Feminism, Its that easy. Hope this helps! --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I found out that the problem was that Category:Feminist theology didn't exist. Now that I've created it, I'm in the process of adding articles to that category. Do you think there are (m)any articles that should be kept in Category:Religious feminism?


Hi, you asked if I would adopt you earlier this week and I was just wondering if you found anyone that would adopt you. Please let me know if you need help finding someone! Cremepuff222 (talk) 03:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Cremepuff222! :) I found someone, but thanks for your willingness to help me find someone. It's appreciated. --Grrrlriot (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

A couple of things

Hi Greta - a couple of things:

  • Your archiving doesn't seem to be working, and I can't figure out why. I've contact the bot's operator for his assistance: [1].
  • I've reviewed your edits, and you seem to be doing very well, so there's not a lot that I feel I need to tell you. However, I see that you still feel that there's much more that you want to know about Wikipedia. Do you have any questions you'd like me to answer? Are there any areas of Wikipedia that you feel you'd like to know more about? If so, I can try giving you sort of "lessons" on them, if you don't have any specific questions. Please let me know one way or another.
  • I've looked at User:Grrrlriot/Need your help (great idea, by the way). Many of the things I just don't have the knowledge base to help you with (for example, I confess that my feminist education is sorely lacking, although I consider myself to be one in the broad sense of the word). A few things that I can offer an opinion on:
  • Riot Grrrl seems to be a respectable article, not in urgent need of a rewrite. However, if you think that you could come up with a better article (not just improving the existing one, but rewriting the whole thing), I'd suggest working on a draft in your userspace and then, when it's reasonably complete, linking to it on Talk:Riot Grrrl to get others' opinions of whether or not you should replace the existing article with it (I did something similar recently with Ed Stelmach - I know how much you love articles about politicians).
  • With regards to the idea of a Wikiproject Asia, it looks as though there may have been one at some point, but that it was then divided into a number of different Wikiprojects (Wikiproject Central Asia, Wikiproject Western Asia, Wikiproject Southeast Asia, Wikiproject Southern Asia, etc.). I would suggest that you consider whether there are likely to be many editors interested in working on articles about Asia as a whole - that is, editors who would be just as interested working on articles about Feminism in Azerbaijan as on the Yangtze River or the history of Hinduism. My initial reaction is that Asia's maybe too broad a topic to be useful as a Wikiproject, since most people are probably only interested in working on a specific area of the subject, but you should feel free to solicit others' opinions.
  • I agree with this. I think folks interested in working on pages relating to Asia can very easily join one of the regional Asian 'Projects. – Scartol • Tok 18:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • With regards to the idea of an Equal Rights article - again, it sounds like a very broad subject, unless you mean just a subset of the subject (equal rights for women, equal rights for LGBT people, equal rights for religious minorities, etc.), most of which seem to have reasonable articles already. I notice that the Social equality artice, to which Equal rights currently redirects, is kind of a stub - maybe it would be worth developing that?
  • With regards to User:Grrrlriot/Sandbox, I think it's a very interesting idea. The one thing I'd advise caution on is whether there are sufficient sources to write all of those articles. I think it would be much more useful to have, say, Feminism in Africa with a continent-wide overview (or broken up into Feminism in the Saharan countries and Feminism in sub-Saharan Africa, or however else seems to make sense) and then a summary of each country (maybe with links to article on the countries that do have enough information for their own articles) then it would to have a pile of two sentence stubs that all say largely the same thing with only the country name changed. On the other hand, I think it's a great idea to develop new articles for countries where there is enough information to make a good article. In summary, I definitely think it's a great idea to develop articles that cover feminism in as many countries as you can; the only question is whether this information is most usefully presented in individual articles for each country or in overview articles that have sections for each country. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your opinions, Steve. I will think about all of what you just said. I really appreciate the feedback. :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


You seem to have an extremely active adopter already - how do you feel you could benefit from having another one? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I think 2 is enough. lol Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Grrrlriot, thanks for voting in my RfA, which passed with 47 supports (I hoped for a perfect square, but two away is close enough!), 3 opposes (the first odd prime), and 0 neutrals. I'm glad the community has decided to trust me with the mop and bucket (the flamethrower isn't supported). Of course, special thanks goes to my nominators Auawise and that one guy who buried stuff (not that the thanks I give to the you isn't special!). If you ever need a hand with something, or just want to say hello, tough feel free to drop a line! Best wishes, Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 23:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't even vaguely resemble a mop, but I couldn't find a picture of one.

have a look at this

Hi Grrrlriot have a look at this post. seems to be an OECD initiative and might just be of interest to you--Cailil talk 13:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, It interests me and I got that email. I was wondering if it was real or what. I emailed the person back saying that I would like an account. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Urg, you problem got the spam mail anyway. I'm assuming user:wikigender made a good faith error in spamming emails but I'm a little disappointed--Cailil talk 18:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little disappointed too, but it does interest me. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Portal!

Just wanted to say, "You ROCK!" I was so happy to see that you'd created the much-needed Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force. I've been tackling the gender bias in individual articles for a long while and wishing more editors were available to collaborate on changing the systemic gender bias in Wikipedia. So some weeks ago, I created in Wikipedia. You can see, from the red ink, that I haven't had the time this project deserves. Hopefully others will. Clearly, there is strong affiliation among the Feminism Portal, Gender Studies Project and the Countering Systemic Gender Bias Project. I believe there are distinct purposes, as well. And I hope we one day reach such a critical mass of editors in all three projects, that people can devote themselves solely to one or another. In the meanwhile, I'd like to welcome any collaboration and offer any help needed. I'd also be happy to add the Feminist Portal link to the Countering Systemic Gender Bias Project page, if you'd like. -- Deebki 06:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for the compliment! :) I hope you will add your name to 'participants' on the feminism task force. I agree with you. I think that the feminism task force will help articles relating to feminism. Tell me more about the collaboration you have in mind. I think adding a link to the feminism portal to your Countering Systemic Gender Bias Project page. If you want me to link to your wikiproject, let me know and I'll do the same by adding yours under 'Wikiprojects'. Feel free to join the task force by signing your name under "participants". Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


As you've likely noticed, your talk page is being archived now. It turns out that the problem was this edit, which prevents bots from editing your page. Since the archiving is done by a bot, that tag was preventing the bot from doing the archiving. If you want to replace the tag, you'll have to do the archiving manually.

I noticed that my talk page is being archived now. I assume that the tag was removed, Am I right? That's good that it was so that it can archive my talk page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, your talk page is now being archived to User talk:Grrrlriot/Archive 1; you should maybe put a link to that page somewhere on your talk page, although it's up to you. I also still think that 48 hours is a little short a time period for things to stay on your page, but that's also up to you (I can think of at least one user who manually archives anything posted to his page as soon as he sees it). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, 48 hours is a short period of time for things to stay on my page. How do you change that? --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Edit your talk page. In the archiving bit up top, change "48h" to some longer length of time. Mine is set at "28d" (meaning 28 days), which you might find too long, depending on how much stuff you want on your talk page at a time. Up to you, anyway. And yes, the tag's been removed. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Great! Thanks, I will go ahead and edit my talk page. Where should I put the link up to User talk:Grrrlriot/Archive 1 on the talk page? --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

userpage redesign

Hey there.. I finally got around to doing some design work on that userpage you asked me for. When you have a minute, take a look and tell me what you think! Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 03:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I like how it looks, but is there a way you can turn my subpage links into a menu bar. (like at the top of the userpage, have icons, that say 'talk', 'favorite articles', etc. or do you think that its best to keep it how you did it? --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Wow. You like how that looks? Are you really a fan of Ann? That design was intended as a joke; I set out to make the most hideous userpage I could think of (and do quickly). If you really do like it, we can proceed with that one. But if you're just being nice, you might be more interested in the real design. I'll add the tabs later today. – Scartol • Tok 19:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Haha! No, I'm not a fan of Ann. I was wondering why she was up on my userpage. I like how the REAL userpage looks. hehe I love it!!!! :D --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so about the tabs – you've got lots of subpages, and it's not possible to put them all at the top. I suggest five (main, talk, awards, userboxes, and creations), with the others listed under "Other Subpages". Sound good? – Scartol • Tok 19:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh man, I saw that original design, and I thought "Do I have a duty, as her adopter, to say something?" Then I decided that since I'd made it clear that aesthetics weren't my strong point, I should probably just stay out of it. But still, brilliant work Scartol. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly, Sarcasticidealist. Okay, we're up and running! Please let me know if anything looks off or wrong or funky in a bad way. Also, the headings on the main page are templates, so if you want to add them to your other subpages, you can do so by adding the following code:
{{User:Scartol/headerbar|YOUR TEXT HERE}}
And you'll get:
Enjoy! – Scartol • Tok 16:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Julia Serano

Hi, Grrlriot!

I'm a little concerned about Julia Serano. Currently the article only has citations from self-published sites. Without other citations, the article is in danger of being deleted due to lack of notability. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello SatyrTN! :) Thanks for letting me know about this. I will see if I can find other sources to add to Julia Serano. --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Lesson from tutor - Articles for deletion

Hi Greta - as I've said before, you seem to be able to function pretty well without a tutor these days. However, you've also said that you want to learn everything about Wikipedia, so, if you're okay with it, I'm going to start providing lessons on areas to which you haven't really been exposed. Today's lesson is the articles for deletion process (I chose this both because you've had very little involvement in it so far and because AfD needs more editors at the moment; I also notice that you have a userbox up indicating that you'd like to be an admin someday, and knowledge of the AfD process is essential for admins).

  • What is it? Articles for deletion is where articles that some users think should be deleted are listed so that the community can have its say.
  • Who decides which articles get nominated for deletion? Anybody does. To nominate one yourself, see here.
  • What happens after an article is nominated? It gets listed here, and other editors show up and have their say. Normally, articles for deletion must be listed for at least five days.
  • Who decides whether or not an article is deleted? The community does, via consensus. But it's left to administrators to interpret consensus.
  • How do I participate? Find a deletion debate that looks interesting to you, read the nominator's explanation of why it should be deleted, read the other users' arguments, and then add your own thoughts. Normally, this takes the form of either "Keep" or "Delete", followed by your rationale for why.
  • What sort of rationale might I use? Most nominations for deletion are because the nominator feels that the subject isn't notable. If the one on which you're commenting is such a nomination, your rationale should assess whether the article's subject meets notability guidelines (including the various subject-specific guidelines found along the right hand side of WP:N). Other nominations are because somebody feels that the article runs afoul of some portion of what Wikipedia is not. In that case, you should base your rationale on that policy. There's also a useful essay called Arguments to Avoid in Deletion Discussions, which provides some examples of poor rationales.
  • Now what? I'd encourage you to visit WP:AFD#Current discussions and participate in a deletion discussion or two. Personally, I visit it every few days and look through the current discussions for debates involving politicians, which are of course my area of expertise and interest. You might want to do something similar (although not for politicians, obviously) or you might just want to stop in at random every now and then. I'd also encourage you to let me know whether this was helpful, and whether it's the sort of thing you're looking for from me as your adopter; so far, I've mostly been just observing your edits and responding to your questions, but most of your edits recently look fine and you don't ask me many questions anymore, so I'm not really sure what else to do. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
This is what I'm looking for. Posting about a subject on Wikipedia that I'm not real familiar with is a good idea. I do need to participate in some AFD's. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I've seen you frequently around the article Green Day and other related articles. Please consider joining the Green Day WikiProject, an effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage and detail regarding Green Day.

If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks that you can help with. Thank you for your time.

LukeTheSpook (talk) 08:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, LukeTheSpook! :) I might join the WikiProject in the future. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Please vote in survey over whether to have article title Human rights in Iran or Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran

  • 23 November 2007 Sinooher changed the article name from Human rights in Iran to Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran
  • Koavf changed the article name back to Human rights in Iran 9 March 2008,
  • Crazy Suit changed it back to Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran a couple weeks later, 23 March 2008.

We should decide this once and for all and not what the name is as it makes a difference to the wording of the text in the article.


Hello, BoogaLouie! :) Thanks for leaving me a message about this matter. I would have to say I'm in favor of the Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran. At first I was for Human rights in Iran, but after hearing both arguements I changed my mind. China and Iran do have different governments than they did before their revolution. I hope this helps you out. --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanx --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Awards Center Newsletter

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Thanks for letting me know! :) I signed up. --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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I'm no longer wishing to be adopted. Thanks for bringing this to my atttention. I will delete the userbox. Thanks again! --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hey, I added stuff to riotgrrl...

you said to leave you info on the talk pg...

Re: the term riot grrl...It was the name of a zine... see: (talk)

also, second wave? The article starts: "is often associated with third-wave feminism (it is sometimes seen as its starting point). However, riot grrrl's emphasis on universal female identity and separatism often appears more closely allied with second-wave feminism than with the third wave.[1] " But a major part is the sex positivity of it and women being able to talk about "universal" parts of female identity that weren't as talked about before. That's distinctly 3rd wave!! Kathleen Hanna was a stripper...

I'm not super clear on how wiki works, so sorry I don't have a user name yet! (and of course don't want to just put my email out there!)

~~RD —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC) here we go RD007 (talk) 18:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)RD007

Hello, User:RD007 (aka User:! :) Thanks for leaving a message on my talk page. I know that the term "riot grrl" was the name of a zine. I have to say that you do have a point and I think your right. It's ok and I understand that you don't want to put your email out there. I am assuming you finally got a Wikipedia account as RD007. Glad to see that you joined Wikipedia! Welcome! Hope you like it here! If you want to talk about this more or about riot grrrl more, let me know and we'll work something out. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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sorry to pop up out of the blue like this, but i was wondering if i could just ask you a favor - the article on Naomi Klein is pretty regularly besieged by pov editors attempting to violate WP:undue by focusing disproportionately on the minority of criticisms of her recent book while failing to acknowledge the overwhelming majority of praise. whatever one's personal feelings on the book, it's pretty inarguable that it was well reviewed by most people, which wikipedia should naturally reflect. sorry to ask you, but i've been dealing with the same people for months, and it gets pretty boring reverting the same silliness over and over. i got into a thing like this over on the ralph nader page a few months ago with a user who was later found to be a sock puppet and blocked. i'll be posting this message on a few other user pages just in case you've gots your plate full or just plum don't wanna do it. thanks Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello! :) Thanks for the message! I'm not sure what your asking me to do. Are you asking me to help patrol vandalism on the Naomi Klein page or are you wanting me to edit the page? Let me know. I might be interested. --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks, i was just wondering if you could help me watch out for it a bit - sneaky pov, undue focus, etc. it's pretty annoying. Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 07:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. Sure, I just added it to my 'watchlist'. --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Just a heads up

I thought you might like to know that the Awards Center page has been deleted, along with its newsletter.  :(

So, where do we go from here?

To new and even more interesting projects, of course!

As announced in the newsletter, I've been preparing to co-coordinate a large collaboration/competition called Around the World. It was going to be run at the Awards Center, but since that no longer exists, the collaboration will be hosted somewhere else.

Around the World will begin July 15th as planned - it's location will be announced soon.

It'll be a blast. In the competition, participants will be helping to develop over 200 pages (drafts, which will be moved to article space once they are ready), using advanced tools to edit every single one of them!

This is going to be interesting.

And the event shall have awards which are being created specifically for it as we speak!

If you would like me to keep you informed of this and other interesting collaborations I'll be working on and/or organizing in the future, please drop me a note on my talk page, and I'll be happy to keep you in the know.

I look forward to your reply.


The Transhumanist 21:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see the awards center go, however, keep me informed of your "Around The World" project. Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 02:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I need your feedback...

Which of the following medals looks better. This one:


Or this one:

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Which one do you like better?

Please let me know on my talk page.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 21:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I like the first one better. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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What is Around the World?

It's a collaboration!

A collaboration using advanced wiki-tools!

The event is being co-sponsored by Wikiproject Lists of basic topics and WikiProject Geography, and participants will be "traveling" all around "the World" visiting each country online (here on Wikipedia and perhaps beyond) as they apply advanced wiki-tools to improve pieces of the profiles of each and every country on Earth!. Each pass through these pages is a "trip around the World..."

The set of pages we are working on is currently located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics.

Each page presents essential information on each country in a topic outline format, for ease of overviewing and navigating. Most of the topics presented are linkified, which turns these pages into a hypertextual map to material about each country on Wikipedia. When completed, they shall all become part of Wikipedia's contents system.

The pages share a standard format, with the information on each country presented in the same general order. So rather than getting stuck on a single country trying to complete it, each participant works on all 200+ political entities, completing a single data item or detail across all of the pages!

For this they use advanced tools like WP:AWB, Linky, etc. It goes fast, and since others are doing this at the same time, it makes "the World" feel like a beehive, and the participants are its bees.  :) The energy is contagious.

And since you are moving from country to country, the tasks make it feel like you are traveling around the world, and you get to learn a little about every country as you do so. This approach also allows for greater efficiency, because by the time you've done 30 or so of a particular item, you've figured out how to finish it faster and more effectively (such as where to find the data or how to make adjustments), and this specialization speeds up development - but more importantly it reduces errors.

The tasks are varied, which adds even more variety to the project. Some tasks are look-ups-and-fill-ins, some are copy and paste, some are image hunts, some are maintenance adjustments, some are link fixing, some are blue-linking (creating an underlying redirect so a link turns blue), some are fact checking, etc.

For an example of what a nearly complete page looks like, see these:

List of basic Albania topicsList of basic Argentina topicsList of basic Australia topicsList of basic Canada topicsList of basic Ecuador topicsList of basic Egypt topicsList of basic France topicsList of basic Germany topicsList of basic Iceland topicsList of basic India topicsList of basic Indonesia topicsList of basic Iraq topicsList of basic Republic of Ireland topicsList of basic Italy topicsList of basic Isle of Man topicsList of basic Israel topicsList of basic Japan topicsList of basic Macau topicsList of basic Mexico topicsList of basic Russia topicsList of basic Taiwan topicsList of basic United Kingdom topicsList of basic United States topics

There are only about 200 more pages to go!

Standing by to help are co-coordinators, who can lend a helping hand to participants, provide instruction and tips on how to use the tools, and help them find what they are looking for. Co-coordinators also use advanced tools to inspect the work of participants, and touch it up as needed, or if a task was done wrong throughout, point this out to the participant so he or she can make the necessary corrections.

Co-coordinators are working on the set of pages right now, to familiarize themselves with "the World" so they can help more effectively by the time the main event starts. But there's still lots of preparation left to be done, and we are looking for editors experienced in advanced wikitools who would like to become co-coordinators.

The Transhumanist 03:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I understand now. I'm glad to hear about the basic list of countries. It sounds like fun. Do you have a listing of the basic country lists that have already been made so far? Let me know, I might contribute to the project. Thanks! --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


I was born the same day as you! :) ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 00:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Really? That's pretty cool. I know of 3 people that share the same birthday as well, in real life. Yay for Pisces! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Lol awesome :) Im off to bed now, been editing almost all day :) later! x ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 00:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the message! I should edit more than I do. I used to edit alot, but now I do it every once in a while. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Some help (which you asked for)

On your help-ish page, you listed the Abortion Portal as possibly being a bad idea. I'm under the impression that the controversy surrounding abortion is big enough to have it's own Portal. I hope I'm not too late with this help. Happy editing, Leonard(Bloom) 20:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Leonard! :) Thanks for the message! I still think the abortion portal could be a good idea. No, Your not too late with this. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the portal would work, but it would require expansion on the articles within. Although it is large, controversial topic, it is still just one topic, and thus needs to look good, have legit references and citations, and overall need to be good articles. The quality needs to be higher, to make up for the iffy-ness of the portal's topic. Leonard(Bloom) 20:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree and I think it the portal would have to be watched very closely. I think the portal would have a lot of vandals vandalizing it. Any ideas for it? --Grrrlriot (talk) 02:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, without isolating it from the rest on, there really isn't anything you could do. Maybe have some time where you just go through all the article in the portal and review the histories? I think that it would require just a bit more elbow grease to peruse a single portal than everything in totality. Leonard(Bloom) 05:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh ok, I think I get what your saying. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

It takes quite a bit of effort patrol a small bit of space instead of the whole site, and I say that because we have wide-expansive tools (Huggle, Twinkle, Lupin's tools), but nothing that really can center on a single bit, or portal in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong with this impression. Leonard(Bloom) 16:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. That's true, the histories of the portal could be visited and changed. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Checking in

Hi Grrrlriot - just checking in to make sure everything's going okay. It's been a while since we spoke, so I just thought I'd check to see if you needed help with anything. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Sarcasticidealist! :) It's good to hear from you. One question I do have: Did I do the talk archive right? --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you mean the archive of your user talk page (i.e. this one)? If so, it seems to be archiving just fine. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 01:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, That's what I meant. That's good to know. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello from me as well :) You've been rather quiet, but that's probably a good sign. Keep up the good work! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 21:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello WBOSITG! :) It's good to hear from you as well! Yeah, I have been quiet and I haven't been on Wikipedia as much as I was. --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Hey thanks for that, I dont know much about feminism in particular (certainly not enough to contribute to articles on it) but Ive always been interested in the "battle of the sexes" if you will lol :) Ill see if i can help out with it, thanks again, laterz! :D x ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 08:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

lol I see. Thanks and your welcome! --Grrrlriot (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

If I can contribute anything...

If I can contribute anything, I guess it would be the general improvement of articles about feminism and feminists in my country. I can already see that the quality of the French-language bios and the English-language bios of Quebec's most notable feminists vary greatly. Worst, there are currently no English-language articles on Éva Circé-Côté and Idola Saint-Jean, two of Quebec's first feminists, same for the Fédération des femmes du Québec (FFQ), and the yearly World March of Women initiated by the FFQ in 2000[4]. -- Mathieugp (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That's true, Those articles need to be created. If you want to contribute or if you can at some point, just go to the Task Force page and sign your name under "Participants". I think articles about feminism and feminists in your country is a good idea. If there are others out there, that have/edit articles about feminism and feminists in their countries...that's a very good idea, in my opinion. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)



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Thanks for the smile, PeaceNT! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The Taskforce

Hey Grrrlriot, I added myself as an official member of the taskforce per your suggestion. I just recently finished working on Emma Goldman with Scartol et. al. If you haven't read that article, I think you would enjoy it. Also Awadewit just finished doing complete rewrites of Mary Shelley and Mary Wollstonecraft that are top notch! Things seem to be really rolling on Wikipedia these days. BTW, I noticed you're in Tennessee. I'm in NashVegas myself :) Kaldari (talk) 04:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kaldari! :) I'm in east Tennessee, but I do know where NashVegas is. hehe Thanks for joining the task force and welcome! If you know of other editors that would be interested in it, feel free to let them know about it. Emma Goldman is a very good article. I noticed that Mary Wollstonecraft is a featured article and a featured article listed on the task force page. Happy editing! --Grrrlriot (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm actually from Knoxville originally. And a fan of Dixie Dirt, of course :) Kaldari (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


Hello again - I've looked over your most recent edits (and it's really nice to see you back, let me add). I like the enthusiasm you've shown for starting the Feminism Task Force; it seems to be really taking off. I see no real problems with your editing, and I'd say you're an asset to the project. As far as things to work on in the future, I'd suggest doing some article building: maybe find an article about a feminist or other feminism-related topic that's in bad shape, and try to improve it by expanding it, adding references, etc. If you own any books or magazine profiles or anything else about any feminists, that would be a great place to start. I'd be happy to help you with that once you've selected a topic, although, as I've said before, I don't personally know a lot about that field, and my collection of books probably wouldn't be very helpful. The other thing is deletion discussions - I explained to you how these work a few months ago, but you don't seem to have participated in any since. I want to emphasize that it's possible to be an excellent editor without ever participating in deletion discussions, but since you've indicated that you'd like to be an administrator at some point, I'm trying to help you find ways to get involved in the more administrative side of the project, and WP:AFD is a great place to do that. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 22:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Sarcasticidealist! :) I really appreciate your feedback. Thanks for thinking I'm an asset to the project. I try to obey all the rules. Thanks fo the suggestions as well. I will work on these in the future. Yes, I'd like to be an administrator on Wikipedia someday. Thanks for reminding me about the AFD. I really should participate in those, since I haven't participated in any, except maybe 1 or 2. Any other suggestions/ways to get involved in the administrative side of WP? I will try to participate as much as I can on the administrative side. --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I see you've started participating in AFDs, which is great. Your participation in them is quite good, as you've taken care to provide reasons for your deletions. A couple of other recommendations: first, when claiming neologism as a reason for deletion, it's often a good idea to check the internet to see if you can find any secondary sources discussing the neologism (urbandictionary and the like don't count, since they're not reliable sources). Googling isn't always a good way to determine the notability of a subject, but for neologisms it usually works pretty well, since if a neologism isn't covered in an online source, it's probably not covered in any offline sources either. The second piece of advice I'd give is that you should try to reference Wikipedia policy and guidelines in every deletion argument you make; you usually do, but didn't in this one (although, reviewing the article, I tend to agree that it should probably be deleted). In this case, for example, you could have said that, since the article's references don't discuss the issue of denial of lesbianism in any kind of detail, but just provide examples of lesbians who have denied being lesbians, there's no evidence that the concept meets WP:N. Still, though, a very promising start and, as with everything, you'll get better the more you do of it. As for your questions about other ways to get involved in the administrative side, the short answer is that there are lots, but a lot of them require you to learn a lot before you're able to contribute to them in any meaningful way (but hey, that's what adopters are for). I'll put together a list of some of them within the next day or two. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it! :D I went back to that AFD and worded it similar to what you said. --Grrrlriot (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've started putting together a list of "administrative" areas of Wikipedia here. It's far from complete, but I hope to expand it substantially within the next few days. You may want to watchlist it so you can see when I add new information. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks alot! I just added the page to my watchlist. --Grrrlriot (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Guest boook

Heya, thanks for signing my guest book. (i signed your's too). Normally I would have given you a cookie as thanks but my computer is messing up and won't let me... ♥Tory~AmuletHeart♥ 21:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! :) That's okay. Happy editing! --Grrrlriot ( ) 15:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

your message

Hello, and sorry for not responding earlier. While I would certainly like to help improve articles related to feminism (The Second Sex in particular needs a rewrite, and I've read the book in the original French), I'm not certain if I should commit to another WikiProject or task force because I already find myself stretched in so many directions. I would be glad to sign up for the task force as long as you don't mind only intermittent activity on my part. --Kyoko 00:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't mind at all, Kyoko. :) A little activity is better than none. --Grrrlriot ( ) 15:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Feminism in modern Japan

After doing some copy editing, I noticed your comment on the talk page. I would definitely support a move to a better title and the page could use any attention you could give it. JCDenton2052 (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Great! :) Thanks, JC. I'm glad you agree with me. Do you think that "Feminism in Japan" sounds better? I also replied to your comment on the article's talk page, Talk:Feminism in modern Japan. --Grrrlriot ( ) 15:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

  • Newsletter delivery by xenobot 13:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

To all members of the Anarchist Task Force - about improvement of the AI-Wiki-page

I have just joined the Anarchist Task Force, and I have had some problems with publishing of my Anarchist International Wikipedia page, see my sandbox for the present version/proposal. This page needs improvements to reach Wiki-consensus, and this should be a somewhat collective project to avoid a "COI"-template. As I am new to editing here on Wikipedia I need help with the page, I hope for your cooperation with this improvement. As an introduction to this cooperation, feel free to read this note on my talk page: .

Any contribution, matter of fact criticism, to give input and advice, or even contribute to new sections, will be helpful, and is much appreciated. Please join in the project...

(Anna Quist (talk) 17:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC))

Thanks for letting me know about this, Anna Quist. The project sounds interesting. I might help out on the article in the future. --Grrrlriot ( ) 22:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

I hear it is you we have to thank for getting the Feminism portal up and running. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your work. I think it is a wonderful idea and I'm so happy to be working on it! Awadewit (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello Awadewit! Thanks for the compliment and for leaving me a message. Yes, I created Portal:Feminism and Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force as well. I'm glad to hear that you think it's a wonderful idea. --Grrrlriot ( ) 23:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome

My pleasure, I love working on portals. :) Quick request, can you please change your sig to link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force instead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force? I moved it because as it is a subproject off of WP:GS, it should be a subpage off of that WikiProject. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 01:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will change my sig. Thanks for letting me know, Cirt. --Grrrlriot ( ) 03:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
No worries, Cirt (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Feminism Task Force

Thanks for the invitation. I just joined. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 23:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome and thank you for joining! :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Me also :) Mgoodyear (talk) 19:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Great and thanks for joining as well! --Grrrlriot ( ) 00:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Greta, you are phenomenal. OK I just completely rewrote Female ejaculation - it is not perfect, but it was absolutely dreadful before (Skene's gland is worse), and completely Male Lens. That imbalance is now fixed. I am sure there are a number of other women's health articles in urgent need of attention. Are any other articles tagged yet as an example? Michael. (personal details available on Talk page) Mgoodyear (talk) 23:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mgoodyear! I'm sure you are right about more women's health articles needing urgent attention. If you find some articles in need of attention, You could add the articles to the template "Feminism Task" that is on the FTF page under "Templates". Thanks for your help! Keep on editing! I will check out Female ejaculation in an hour or so. I hope you continue to edit women's health articles. You could probably post what you just posted to me on the FTF talkpage: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force. --Grrrlriot ( ) 00:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Shall do! Michael. (talk) 15:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Had seen it.

Yes, I had seen your reply in your own talk page. I am glad you approve of my suggestions. I just could not find the right words to add at the time. It's often like that with me and girls... ;-) But you remind me I haven't done a single thing on this subject yet, so I'll get right to it. Here, I'll create a draft article on the Fédération des femmes du Québec. Bon dimanche! :-) -- Mathieugp (talk) 16:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear your working on the draft! I can't wait to see the article once it is completed. --Grrrlriot ( ) 17:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Feminism currently up for portal peer review

Notifying you because you were the initial creator of Portal:Feminism, and of Feminism Task Force:

Portal:Feminism has had a lot of changes and work recently and is currently up for portal peer review. Comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Feminism/archive1. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello Cirt! Thanks for contacting me about this! I think the portal is looking better everyday. --Grrrlriot ( ) 20:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Cirt (talk) 23:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting me!

Thank you very much for inviting me to the Feminism Task Force. I am interested in feminism because my girlfriend, a journalist, works at a feminist ngo. I am an English-Spanish-English, French-Spanish and German-Spanish translator, as well as a psychologist, and would like to collaborate in the translation of Wikipedia pages about feminism. Best regards from Mexico City!! Gustavo Sandoval Kingwergs a.k.a. Correogsk--correogsk (talk) 23:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello Correogsk! Thanks for the message! Your welcome for the invite to the FTF. Your girlfriend's work sounds really interesting. Your job as a psychologist sounds interesting too. (I used to want to be a psychologist when I was younger.) I think it would be GREAT to have translators for Wikipedia pages about feminism. Thanks for joining the FTF! --Grrrlriot ( ) 02:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Around the World, update...

We've been hard at work behind the scenes. We can't seem to get the trophy right, but we'll get there. And the set of pages need one more section completed before they can be moved to article space...

... that's right! We're almost ready to move the whole set into the live encyclopedia. One page for every country of the world!

We're currently developing the standard (by example) for these outlines, they're overall format and what they should look like.

One page that is nearly complete and built to the current standard is List of basic Thailand topics. Please take a look, and help us put the finishing touches on it if you have the time. It will be an example (along with List of basic Japan topics and List of basic France topics) for those working on the rest of the lists, and therefore is pretty important.

Any help or input you could provide would be most appreciated.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

(P.S.: If you respond to this message, please do so on my talk page, so that I'm alerted by Wikipedia's automatic "you've got a message" feature. Thank you. TT)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 17 - August 2008
"Oh, we've been called an alternative band before. But we eat meat, so I think we're disqualified: chili dogs, corn dogs, Jimmy Dean Sausage Breakfast."- Kurt Cobain
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My RfA

Janitor's bucket with mop.jpg Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 02:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
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"And suddenly the plane dropped to the right, then to the left, and the ground was right there. And all I could think was, Fuck, I didn’t finish "Fix You." That would have been my last thought: I didn’t get that chorus right."- Chris Martin
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You have been invited to enter C4v3m4n's Contest!.

The contest is designed to provide users with a challenge while still having fun! This month's contest is focused on Movember, a month designed to to raise awareness and funds for men's health issues, such as prostate cancer and depression in Australia and New Zealand.

Follow the link given above to find out more information. Hope to see you there!

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Thanks C4v3m4n for the invitation! I will check it out. --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Simple thanks

Thank you for the welcome message you placed on my user page. (especially since I've had this account for months and you're the first person who has done so).--Metalhead94 (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, Metalhead94! :) Thank you for being kind! Happy editing! --Grrrlriot ( ) 01:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Another metalhead

Ya know, it's always cool to meet another metalhead. May I ask who your favorite band is?--Metalhead94 (talk) 00:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I have alot of favorite bands from different genres. I would have to say that my favorite metal band would have to be Strapping Young Lad. --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Read things properly, please

I'm laughing...
I just checked my GuestBook for the first time in a few days and I saw your message...
You said that I was on Wikipedia for 12 years and that it was a very long time to be on...
Wikipedia was formed in 2001. It is only 7 years old, not 12! Wanna go back to my page and read it again? It's OK, everyone makes mistakes. :) TopGearFreak Talk 17:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Now, I'm laughing. lol Sorry about that mistake. I thought I read somewhere that you'd been on Wikipedia for 12 years. I didn't think Wikipedia was around for that long. I guess I didn't read it right, it's my fault. lol Sorry again. At least we got a laugh out of it. haha! --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's only 7. If you want to know, I'M THE ONE THAT'S 12!! ;) we had a laugh, all right... TopGearFreak Talk 21:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think I get where I got the 12 from. lol Sorry again! Also, cheers to you for being 12 and for editing usefully on Wikipedia! :) --Grrrlriot ( ) 23:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you... TopGearFreak Talk 15:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Your welcome. --Grrrlriot ( ) 22:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Message from WikiProject Punk music


You may be interested to know that WikiProject Punk music has recently undergone a major revitalization. Please visit the project page to see our new look and check out some of our helpful new features, such as the Assessment Department and the Collaboration of the week. There are also a number of tasks on our Things to do page that you may be interested in helping with.

We are currently holding a roll call to help gauge how many active project members we have. Please visit the project's talk page and add your signature to the roll sheet to express your continued interest in the project. Also, if you have not already done so, please take a minute to add your name to the Participants page along with a brief summary of your punk-related interests, so that other project members will be better able to collaborate with you. If you do not add your signature to the roll sheet by November 30, 2008 your name will be moved to our list of inactive members. We may also take the liberty of removing the project userbox from your userpage if it appears there, to prevent you from automatically appearing in Category:WikiProject Punk music members. Of course you are free to rejoin the project and re-add the userbox at any time if you would like to become active in the project again.

Thank you and we hope you will continue to support WikiProject Punk music!

--IllaZilla (talk) 00:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I just added myself to the "roll sheet". Thanks for the message! --Grrrlriot ( ) 05:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Although they're certainly not a Riot Grrl band, The Teen Idles are up at FAC right now. Kaldari (talk) 06:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about the article and the band, Kaldari! I have never heard of the band, so I guess I have another band to check out in my spare time. Thanks again! --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Anarchism in Asia

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Not really enough here to qualify as a standalone article; template suffices.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. the skomorokh 18:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about this. I will remove the template with an explanation. I agree that the article needs to be expanded and have more information on it. --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries, sorry for bothering you with this. Regards, the skomorokh 18:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It's ok. :) Thanks for letting me know. I can easily see why it was tagged as WP:PROD. If you have any ideas or references so I can turn it into an article, let me know. Thanks! --Grrrlriot ( ) 22:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008

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DYK nomination of Simone de Beauvoir Prize

Hello Grrrlriot! I've submitted Simone de Beauvoir Prize at the Did you know nominations page. They liked the hook but there is still some issues regarding length of the article. Since the Simone de Beauvoir Prize is a Feminist related article and I knew you are active in that field, I thought you might want to help us, expanding the article as soon as possible so it could qualify to be on the first page of en.wikipedia. btw here is the nomination's entry. Thanks --Kaaveh (talk) 11:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Kaaveh! Thanks for this message! You should post this on the Feminism Task Force talk page. --Grrrlriot ( ) 22:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Rights templates

Since you have done a lot of work on this... could we add Prostitutes (or "sex workers", whatever appears more appropiate) as rights holders to the templates, (see World Charter for Prostitutes' Rights).--SasiSasi (talk) 22:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello SasiSasi! I think it is a good idea, but I think the discussion should be brought up on the template talk page. --Grrrlriot ( ) 22:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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assigning articles to the Feminism task force

Hi, I noticed that a while back you added [[Category:Feminism task force articles]] to several feminism-related article talk pages. You'll be happy to know that this is now built into the {{WikiProject Gender Studies}} template. Any talk pages which include that template with the feminism-task-force parameter set to "yes" will automatically be assigned to Category:Feminism task force articles. Kaldari (talk) 22:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kaldari! :) Thanks for the message! I'm glad to hear this. Thanks for doing this for the FTF! --Grrrlriot ( ) 02:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

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Country outlines project update - 2009/03/08

Remember "Around the World"?

Well, we've been around the World, and around again (virtually speaking, on Wikipedia), on this project.

Things have been slowing down again, so it's time for a big push...

We've gone live

This project needed a shot in the arm. Also, its draft pages have been littering Wikipedia's categories for months. The time seemed right to move all the country outline drafts to article space.


Well, the drafts had been sitting in Wikipedia space for a year.


Development has been moving at a snail's pace and we could use the help of the Wikipedia community at large (who are more likely to find these if they are in article space).


Yes, we've gone live.  :)

This puts pressure on us to get the blatantly incomplete elements of these outlines done. The only glaring problem is the government branches sections. These need to be corrected ASAP.

I've mentioned THE GOVERNMENT BRANCHES SECTIONS many times to many people over the past year, but the problem just doesn't seem to have been taken seriously. So let me put it another way:

HELP!!! I need your help on this now. Almost all the countries have a government with an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. The links for these branches need to be completed for each country outline:

Here's a convenient list you can use WP:LINKY on to access and edit these quickly. Please copy the list's link to the top of your talk page so that you can access it easily.

If you spot any standardization in links, and ways we can automate parts of this process, or for groups of countries that have links in common, please let me know!

Administrative support for outlines

There has been growing pressure on me to write up the administrative pages for outlines - their instructions, guidelines, etc. Therefore, I'm now in the process of composing these. Fortunately, it is mostly a matter of gathering material from messages I've written to you guys over the past year. Still, this is taking up most of my time, and I will be buried in these for the foreseeable future.

Traffic control

The next big task after the government branches sections are cleaned up is link support for the outlines.

There's quite a list of links and notices that need to be put in place around Wikipedia, providing access to them to readers, and alerting editors to the need to develop and maintain these pages. This will keep our bot people very busy (and happy).

But the most important thing right now is to get the government branches sections completed. So please, put your bots aside, roll up your shirt sleeves, and start typing.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 03:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi The Transhumanist! :) Thanks for letting me know this! --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Labor / Worker's Rights project

I recently drafted a proposal for a Worker's Rights & Labor Issues WikiProject ... I thought you might be interested, since you are working on the Anarchism project ...

Cheers! Jrtayloriv (talk) 05:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jrtayloriv! :) Thanks for letting me know about this. I will check out the Proposal. --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

A Real-live-Wikipeidan that I "know" from elsewhere.

Congrats, you're the first. :D --angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) (talk) 08:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Scott! :) Yes, of course, I know you! Really? I think your the only one that I know from other websites here on Wikipedia. Congrats to you too! --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Now there is two - thanks for twittering. Michael Mgoodyear (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for twittering too, Michael! :) I'm glad to now "know" you. --Grrrlriot ( ) 23:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there

Thanks for stopping by, I didn't even know I linked to that site from here, if I didn't and you recognized it independantly then that's pretty neat. Tyciol (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome, Tyciol! :) Yeah, you have a userbox about livejournal up on your page here on Wikipedia. I assumed it would be called "tyciol" like here on Wikipedia and I was right. That's how I found you on LJ. --Grrrlriot ( ) 01:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Contest proposal

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We need to know how this contest should be run, and what problems to look out for. And we're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

(And we have some really cool awards for the contest).

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Long time no talk - how's your Wikipedia experience been? Any questions for your wizened old adopter? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Sarcasticidealist! :) Yes, it has been a long time since we've gotten in touch. I'm not on here as much as I was, but I still manage to login and check my talk page from time to time. I think I'm learning more from Wikipedia everytime I login. ;) Is there anything new you would like to teach me about Wikipedia? --Grrrlriot ( ) 01:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

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Thanks for signing my guestbook

Thanks, LAAFan for the smile! :) --Grrrlriot ( ) 00:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


Hello, Grrrlriot,

I´d like to have yr help if you please on these two artciles where I´ve just mentioned J. Campbell: Feminism and Adam and Eve.
I´d like to have yr help because these editions are based on two Campbell´s books and there is already a citation on
The editor insists this is orginial research. I totally disagree; even Adam´s etimology emphasizes Campbell´s explanation. i do look forward to hearing from you. Best, Jackie. Jackiestud (talk) 12:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jackiestud! :) Thanks for the message! I think you should create a new article called Feminism and religion since you seem to be talking about Adam, Eve, and religious references. I think if you started a new article about this, you shouldn't have many problems. You shouldn't be blocked and nobody can complain that you keep re-adding your information to the other articles. Let those articles be and start the new article. I hope this helps! --Grrrlriot ( ) 20:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry I hadn´t noticed your reply. Yeah, would be great to start this a new article with this title. Well Iam gonna write something and we will see what´s gonna come out! :) Thank you so much for the kind reply. I hope to see you soon!! You have a lovely user page and yr discussion icons are just as lovely!! Jackiestud (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
It's ok. Just be sure to follow Wikipedia policies when you create the new article. Be sure to also rovide references, like websites, books, etc. to support what your writing. You could create a sandbox on your userpage for the new article. Your welcome for the reply! Thanks, another Wikipedian done the layout and icons of my userpage. --Grrrlriot ( ) 21:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there you!! Nice hearing from you again. Yeah, my english is nott that perfect but I hope it will be sufficient. Ok, sure check yr page always when i log in. They blocked for 24h so I just logged in now. See you soon and yks again for yr orientation!! Bes rgds. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackiestud (talkcontribs) 00:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey! I think your english is pretty good. Your welcome! Just stop editing the other pages, since your breaking policies and some Wikipedians are annoyed with your edits. Be sure to create a new article. If you want to know more about Wikipedia's policies, let me know and I'll post them on your talk page. --Grrrlriot ( ) 03:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Tks indeed, I do my best. Have you seen the reversion at Neolithic? The editor says there ´s no "attribution". Indeed I copied paste form Çatalhuyuk article. How can I have this attribution 9something I don´t what means)...Tks again! Jackiestud (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC) (talk) 10:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The venus figurines are an oustanding and major work of relgion and art of Neolithic and it sounbds very strange taht the article doens´nt even mention it.Jackiestud (talk) 10:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
You should NEVER copy and paste anything to an article, not even a new article. If you do, you should re-word the sentences in your own words. That is odd that the article doesn't mention it. Go here for a list of rules and policies to obey on Wikipedia: Hope this helps! --Grrrlriot ( ) 20:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, understood. I will rewrite it in my own words. Tks. Jackiestud (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The editor also deleted this text of mine: # Do you think we can make it available with some improvoment? The Adam and Eve article has a "feminist view" subtitle, but it´s made of one line (!). Jackiestud (talk) 10:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi both -- please, the Venus figurines are Paleolithic, long before the Neolithic. That's the academically accepted view of the proper use of the term 'Venus figurine'. That's why the article doesn't mention it, please don't try to put it back. My Penguin Archaeology Guide, edited by a well known archaeologist, also points out that the term is misleading and that they are not a homogenous set of objects. Dougweller (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I don´t have access to yr Penguin Guide; Try Çatalhuyk and you will see quite the opposite. As for Conceptions of god it´s also shocking that no word is said on the Goddess (the Paleolithic God): The shift from the Mother Goddess to God only happened in history with the hebrew people and their male deity (what we now call God). But still this is questioned here: where you can see that hebrews inherited from the egyptians the term AB, which, for the egyptians, means the heart of the goddess Maat (maat means TRUTH); and for the hebrews AB means, as this article shows, father and mother --thus, the hebrw conception of god is both of a female and a male deity. Althoug for the egyptians this was only female (the heart of the goddess). Anyway, this article doen´s mention the Mother Goddess --pre historic period was the longets humans beings spent on earth. Still as many artciles show Potnia Theron is a female deiy for the greeks and she resembles in many, dozens, of aspects the Mother Goddess --as much as cybele, Rhea, etc....Jackiestud (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
It´s also funny that all articles referring a Goddess have links to God (on "see also" or "reference" or on the introd. of it, or somewhere on teh text), BUT articles referring God NEVER have linsk to Goddess. So, a Goddess is a companion or the "wife" or the female version of God -but the doesn´t happen. Jackiestud (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts on this, Dougweller! :) Good luck on the new article, Jackiestud! Don't forget to view the rules and policies of Wikipedia, by going to the link I gave you a few replies ago. Thanks! --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Grrrlriot. Jackiestud, I just looked at the link above - It may be that on the Portuguese Wikipedia you could use such a link, but it definitely doesn't meet our criteria at WP:RS. Please, if you want to edit or write articles here, learn about the types of sources you can use in articles, particularly academic type articles such as most of those you are editing. And I've read quite a lot about Çatalhöyük and what the current research has to say, which is quite different from what Mellart claimed. Dougweller (talk) 19:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Dougweller you always have the same "argument". My sources are not good, and you always informed on any and all issues I edit. AS you can see on WP-en venu sfigurines is an umbrella term. AS for the VF as neolitthic archaeology I have no comments it´s too obviuous, But I´d like to ask you to find a reliabel source that would deny the VF on the Neolicthic --the term belonbgs to Pre Histroy in general.
Ab as an etimology for teh hebrews is easy to find on MANY ebooks. Hold on, and I´ll make it available. Jackiestud (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC),M1Jackiestud (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Tickle me pink and call me flabbergasted. I rest my case. But it isn't fair to subject Grrrlriot to this. If you want to continue, take it to your talk page. Dougweller (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again, Dougweller for your comments! :) Jackiestud, WP:RS for more information on what considers to be reliable sources on Wikipedia. Good luck if you make a new article! --Grrrlriot ( ) 21:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yr opinion on Thealogy

Hello Grrrlriot!

I´d like to have yr opinion on Thealogy. Do you think the article needs that many tags on the top of it? Isn´t that strange that theology doesnt even mention thealogy and theology had 'see the opposite term: theology' right there in the beginning of it? Jackiestud (talk) 12:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, Jackiestud! :) The Thealogy article is a neologism. Neologisms aren't allowed on Wikipedia. Please see: WP:NEO. I saw at the top of the article that is should be merged with the article Goddess movement. I'm not sure if it would serve its purpose being merged, but I do think it is a neologism. --Grrrlriot ( ) 01:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


Hello Grrrlriot!

Do you mind offerring yr opinion on Ochre (color)? My contribution consisted of mentioning Adam´s etymology (according to Adam´s article on WP) which is blood or red earth (thus ochre); this has an inner and a clear relation to the cult of ochre in Pre History art and religion, which is related to female blood. I tried very hard to keep this online and even citing the link previosuly posted there; and then again withh many Google ebooks...Ultimately, do you think this obvious etimology, the pre historic cult o fblood and the cult of mother goddess could be there altogether? Jackiestud (talk) 04:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Since I am one of the editors who has removed this, I'll say again what I told Jackiestud - her etymology is not the one our article gives, which is " Etymologically it is the masculine form of the word adamah meaning ground or earth and related to the words adom (red), admoni (ruddy) and dam (blood)". That does not say that Adam means "blood or red earth", it says those words are related. The use of ochre in prehistory is not necessarily a cult, nor do we have evidence of a "cult of blood" - in fact I couldn't find this in Google, just a late medieval "cult of blood". Of course we should give coverage somewhere to the use of ochre in prehistoric times (and of other pigments as well, but ochre was particularly important), but that's a different issue. Dougweller (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I think Dougweller might be right about this, Jackiestud. If you don't have any reliable sources, meaning books or websites that confirm what your saying about Ochre, then there is no proof of this. Wikipedia wants reliable sources --Grrrlriot ( ) 20:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

Dolmen deity

hi there again Grrrlriot, Iam back here to yr page to ask for yr opinion on Dolmen deity; it consists of a description of all female deities that are "built;carved" on dolmens. Can we merge with Domlen? How can this be done? I tried to link Mother goddess on dolmen artcile but the same editor deleted, althoguh we can see on many doznes links on the Net that Dolmens are "the place to be" for the Mother Goddess. Thanks again!! Jackiestud (talk) 17:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Jackiestud! You should ask this by posting this on the Dolmen deity talk page, before you decide to merge the 2 articles. You will get opinions on whether you should merge the articles together or not. --Grrrlriot ( ) 20:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
We are discussing a merger there. Two problems - the term is very rarely used - hardly any academic sources can be found using them, basically two very old books and a couple of 'encyclopedias' which mainly copy each other. And although I thought at first a merge with Dolmen would be good, in fact the term is misleading as it applies, according to the definitions, to carvings found in a variety of settings, eg menhirs, passage graves, etc. Any link with a (not the, there is no 'the' I believe - Grrrlriot, do you agree with her use of 'the mother goddess'?) mother goddess is tenuous at best and I can't find any academic sources. The link Jackiestud did find didn't actually mention dolmen deities. There has been a discussion on the talk page for a day or so. Whatever we do needs to make it clear it is a rarely used term in archaeology. As usual, most of the links on the net seem to be based on our article. Dougweller (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Dougweller, No, I don't agree with her term of 'the mother goddess'. In mythology, there are goddesses that are of fertility and motherhood.--Grrrlriot ( ) 02:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
No academic term? What abt the book I linked there? there you go again anad again saying the same thing. We don´t need to find, and it´s really almost impossible the same term, the very same...What´s at stake is that dozens of links and books can be found on ths subject: dolmens and mother goddess...We don´t need to use this specific term that someone, who could it be (some editor, or IP!!??)invented out of nothing ...Jackiestud (talk) 22:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Gary R. Varner is the author of various non-academic books, some self-published through He's also pagan correspondent for the New Age Journal. He's not an archaeologist or an anthropologist, and his book doesn't use the term 'dolmen deity'. Dougweller (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hello Grrrlriot, Can I please have yr opinion on Simone Bittencourt de Oliveira? Yesterday I spent more than an hour finding many new sources, as you can see from it went from 14 footnotes to 20 new more!! Many of them come from, a widely source for researches on Brazilian music (most of the content presents text form Brasil´s largest and most trusted news weekly magazine Revista Veja). And I don´t even know if this user can read in portuguese. As for Simone´s spirituality it´s also widely known --it as much as Madonna´s Cabala. Do you think you can help me? Jackiestud (talk) 10:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jackiestud! It looks like the article has a few tags on it, which are posted in a template at the top of the article. If Simone has her own website, it would be good to use it as a source too. The news weekly magazine sounds like a reliable source. --Grrrlriot ( ) 00:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, absolutely it is!! Tks a lot. So, how can you help me to leave the content online and not have it reverted? This editor Verbal keeps deleting crucial parts fo her biography which are referred with ver reliable sources. Jackiestud (talk) 17:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, by the way, Grrlriot, is there any admin wo whom you could address me to help me keep this bio online? Jackiestud (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Your welcome! I would suggest User:Benjiboi as an admin who could help you. --Grrrlriot ( ) 18:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Grrrlriot, if you haven't noticed, two minutes after you posted Jackiestud was blocked indefinitely for making a legal threat against Verbal (I haven't followed this closely, but it looks as though there are BLP issues with the article). Dougweller (talk) 20:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)