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I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

Archives

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Good article reassessment for Whitwell, Isle of Wight

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Whitwell, Isle of Wight has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of metonyms

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Hello, Grutness. Thank you for your contributions, including recent edits at List of metonyms. Unfortunately a piece you added as a reference uses the phrase "the Bombay Hills" but does not define it. References need to discuss the metonym as a metonym. See Use–mention distinction for discussion of the difference. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 02:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy admin anniversary!!!

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20 years? Wow. That's dedication there!! Have a cookie.

(Acer's Communication Receptacle | what did I do now) | (PS: Have a good day) (acer was here) 16:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! :) Grutness...wha? 01:54, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Wishing Grutness a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I am so sorry for the lateness! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Grutness...wha? 09:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bombardment of Greytown article

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Hello, Grutness,

In late 2024, I expanded someone else’s Start-class article called Bombardment of Greytown,  which, after some changes by Donner60 and others, was declared a B Level article by Hawkeye7. In the course of the run-up to that B level bestowment, I had received, thanks to my watchlist, no less than 13 email notifications alerting me to changes made, ending on 7 December 2024.

Having received the B Level imprimatur and having ceased to receive any more email alerts as to further activity, I assumed no more changes were being made. But, recently, I glanced at the article, and I noticed substantial additions have been made to it in 2025 by History1138 and a warning template added to the top by you that said, “This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. etc.” Again, my watchlist never alerted me that any of this was happening. Hence, my delay in reaching out to you. (I will also be contacting History1138 soon.)

I looked at the description of what can cause tone problems in an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Tone) and did not see how I might have violated this cautionary. Perhaps you could point out some examples in the piece of such failings. I would also like to know if you can shed any light on how that template was added and those additions made to the article without my watchlist having alerted me by email. I’m guessing it was just some sort of pilot-error on the part of a first-timer. Will-DubDub (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Will-DubDub: The main problem is parts like "An obscure and seemingly minor incident in which no one was killed or even injured, this event has had a secret history, hidden — until now — for over a hundred years. And it has had a major impact on American foreign policy for almost as long." It reads like the sort of thing you'd find in clickbait. It may be accurate, but it's not a very encyclopaedic way of putting it - better something more neutral like "Although this incident was minor, it had a major impact on American foreign policy." Reading theough it again, most of it is a good article, but that bit in particular stood out as a red light.
As to the reason why you didn't get alerted, I've no idea - someone over at the WP:Village Pump might be able to answer that one. Grutness...wha? 02:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Grutness,
Upon reflection, I think you’re absolutely right about that line, and I just changed it to your suggested alternative.
You have inspired me to seek higher rating levels, including Feature status!
I will check with Village Pump about why my watchlist didn’t inform me of the changes.
Speaking of changes, I’m going to ask Historyguy1138 to remove most of his additions. I think they slow down unnecessarily the run up to the titular incident and make an already long and complicated piece even more so. Also, one line, “Solon Borland . . . was forced to resign,” is incorrect. Borland was severely reprimanded by Secretary of State Marcy and, in a fit of pique, then resigned. “Whether or not Marcy’s note was actually intended to induce Borland’s resignation,” James Woods has written, “it had that effect.” (See Borland’s letter of resignation here: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=txu.059172149398109&seq=439. He was so angry with Marcy that he sent it over his head, directly to President Pierce.) Will-DubDub (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All the best with improving the article! And with finding out what is going on with the notifications! Grutness...wha? 02:11, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Hope to start improving on it right away and finding out what’s going on with those notifications! I’ve also been in contact with Historyguy1138, to thrash out some sort of agreement with him about his changes to the article. That said, where does that leave you and I with the tone template warning at the top of the article? Has the change I made to that red light passage satisfied your concerns, so that you’d be willing to take the template down once I come to an agreement with Historyguy1138? Will-DubDub (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done :) Once the problem was fixed you could have removed that yourself, though you were right that it was better to have either the person who put it there or an uninvolved editor do that. Good luck with Historyguy1138 :) Grutness...wha? 23:58, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Historyguy1138 and I have come to a meeting of the minds over his changes to my B-level expansion of the Bombardment of Greytown.
The changes and additions are now mostly mine, inspired by suggestions from him and approved by him. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Historyguy1138&diff=prev&oldid=1288574147
The bulk of the changes involve my replacing the five initial paragraphs of the Prelude section with five new paragraphs. Then I added four graphs to the end of the article in two new sections: Post Bombardment Central America and Greytown’s Ultimate Fate. (The other changes are much smaller and described in the edit summaries for them.)
Thanks for all your previous help, and I hope you like the changes. I have sent similar notifications to Hawkeye7 and Donner60. Once I’ve heard back from all three of you and resolved any problems you’ve noticed, I am going to embark on an effort to increase the number of images in the article. I will inform you and the others when those additions are complete. Will-DubDub (talk) 19:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Will-DubDub: I didn't have an in-depth read of it, but from what I saw it looks very good. I made one minor alteration, in the capitalisation of the headings, which wasn't in line with the WP Manual of Style. Other than that, good work! Grutness...wha? 03:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added the new images to this article — 22 of them. Thank you for the help with the headings. I have also alerted Hawkeye7, Historyguy1138, and Donner60. Will-DubDub (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Men can be feminists

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I reverted your move of Belizean feminists from Belizean activists to Belizean women activist. Men can be feminists too.[1] SMasonGarrison 00:55, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison: Good point. Grutness...wha? 01:55, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

::What are you talking about? None of the other categories are parented by women activists. They're connected to women's rights activists. SMasonGarrison 01:57, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you must be replying to a deleted message. I double checked and found you were right, hence the change of my message. Grutness...wha? 01:58, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! I'm glad we were able to clear it up :) SMasonGarrison 02:00, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lady in blue

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Marie Laufiso do your good things to this Nankai (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Nankai: Heh. I've added some categories - I'll see what else I can find. I've met Pip Laufiso, who I think is Marie's sister (and would borderline be worth an article herself) - it should be possible to get some info to add to the article. Grutness...wha? 15:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah pip got a gong recently Nankai (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia dress code revealed

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given the time of day (night) editing gets done the depiction is quite accurate Wikipedia Monument Nankai (talk) 00:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I'll have you know I'm always very demure and very mindful while I edit, no matter when it is :) Grutness...wha? 01:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The article Long Island, Bermuda has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved for over 15 years. Small island. Unlikely to find sources due to many islands with similar names. No other language's article has any citations either.

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I would guarantee it took less time to find references than it did to add a prod to this article and notify me. Perhaps you should try something like that next time, especially since verifiable places are never normally deleted. Grutness...wha? 10:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adding "Bermuda" to the search eliminates most of the "many islands with similar names". PamD 11:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


For your enjoyment

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Top 20 Wikipedians by number of edits, from 2002 to 2025

Your username featured in the early years. Enjoy! Schwede66 03:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! Grutness...wha? 03:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I spoke to the kaiwhakahaere today who told me "the old people always said it as one word" so can we change it back?Nankai (talk) 02:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^"...so we stick with that." Nankai (talk) 03:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah - OK. Strange, because most websites seem to use the three-word version. Grutness...wha? 07:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
on the above matter their logo uses one word; I guess they get to decide. Unrelated, if your Grutness would be so good to peruse new article Dhargyey Buddhist Centre, pls look out for conflicts of interest ;) Nankai (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would look great with an infobox like the one at commons ... I think User:DrThneed has done some workNankai (talk) 23:09, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Commons one is built by magic from Wikidata using a template. I added one to the Wikipedia page and entered some info from the Heritage listing. Lovely to have a page for this grand old house, @Nankai! DrThneed (talk) 01:32, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @DrThneed and Nankai: Yeah, I'll have a look at that article. I don't know much about the place, though I have visited there a couple of times many years ago. BTW DrT, the reason Nankai comes to me for any mentoring type stuff is I know him through work - I freelance for the newspaper that he's a senior reporter for :) Grutness...wha? 04:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Had a look, did a bit of copyediting and added a couple of lines - it's looking good - excellent work! BTW, if you're looking for another possible Dunedin subject for an article, I was quite surprised there wasn't one on Richard Hudson... Grutness...wha? 05:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Medical doctor v physician

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I live in the United States. I have never heard anyone say "I am going to see the physician". People here universally say "I am going to see the doctor." I think per common name we should move everything either to Category:Medical doctor, Category:American medical doctors, etc. or actually to even better reflect common name we should move everything to Category:Doctors (medical); Category:British doctors (medical); Category:French doctors (medical), etc. The common name is not "medical doctor" it is clearly in modern English everywhere "doctor" but since doctor has multiple other meanings, it would be very confusing to use just doctor, but since medical is not part of the common name I think it would most reflect the actual common name to use Doctor (medical). There is the issue that in Britain there are "physicians", but they are a subset of doctors (medical) and not used as a synonym, but I think common use even in the US is such that American doctors (medical) or American medical doctors is the best name for even that category. There are some use differences, but no American would find the proposed name confusing, or even unexpected.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makes some sense, but what are they known as collectively in the United States? If they're called physicians rather than doctors, then the usual system (used in probably thousands of categories across Wikipedia) would be to use local usage, even if it varies from nation to nation (see, for instance, the categories for soccer/football/association football). Which is how they are now. If you think the American categories need changing, then propose them instead. "Doctors (medical)" might clear up the mess, but it would be better to run that past any connected WikiProjects before a mass renaming proposal. Grutness...wha? 13:45, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a distinction, at least historically in the UK, between physicians and surgeons, which is why some consultants are referred to as Dr Xyz and others as Mr/Ms Xyz. See https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/patient-care/surgical-staff-and-regulation/qualifications-of-a-surgeon/#Why PamD 14:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Grutness...wha? 14:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Bullmore

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Thanks so much again for your help. You will always be the person who saved Ted from playing Ruby to me. cheers.

Manymanydogs (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hah! No problem :) Grutness...wha? 01:48, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

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CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 00:02, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day, Grutness, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 15:05, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Grutness...wha? 16:05, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Happy First Edit Day, Grutness, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk me 16:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Grutness...wha? 16:07, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Guide to temporary accounts

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Hi Grutness. Thank you for your work on Autosexual. Another editor, Tony Holkham, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

There may be a contradiction in the lead, as autosexuality is not mentioned in the article on the asexual spectrum. The article needs expansion with some reliable sources, but clearly describes the subject in a nutshell.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Tony Holkham}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:15, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tony Holkham: - yes, I created the page... twenty years ago, as a redirect to Autosexuality (which is itself now a redirect to Autoeroticism). I didn't write any of the current text. You'd be better off talking to the person who turned the redirect into an actual article last week, User:DarknessGoth777. Please check the page history before raising queries with editors who have nothing to do with the problems! Grutness...wha? 14:36, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, yes, will try to - but the review process sends the message to the first editor on the history list, as well as putting it on the talk page of the article for any interested editor to see. Cheers, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:42, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Sorry about getting annoyed! Grutness...wha? 03:11, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting discussion for Crown Range

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Happy Christmas!

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Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:User:Panamitsu/NZChristmasGreeting}} to send this message
Thank you @Panamitsu: A merry Christmas and a great 2026 to you, too! Grutness...wha? 06:39, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year! (2026)

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I randomly remembered that you were the only Wikipedian I added a New Year's message to last year, so I might as well do it again. Either way, Happy New Year to you. :-) Alexeyevitch(talk) 13:01, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Alexeyevitch:! Already 1/1/26 here... hope you have a great new year too! Grutness...wha? 14:16, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Moved it to its correct name Woman's Bay, and added a couple of easily found references. Grutness...wha? 02:38, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Manawatū Plains for deletion

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Hi Grutness. Thank you for your work on Woodhaugh Gardens. Another editor, Kingsacrificer, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

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Kingsacrificer (talk) 05:56, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsacrificer: Yes, I started that page - 13 years ago, as a redirect. The person who turned it into an article and did the multiple referencing is User:Smithandjosh. I will remedy the references, however. Grutness...wha? 11:08, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The tool sent my message to you as the creator, I suppose. Thanks for taking it up either way. Kingsacrificer (talk) 19:16, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Reporoa

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Is only currently mentioned and named in en:wikipedia in the article Reporoa Caldera so why remove Category:Former lakes of New Zealand ? ChaseKiwi (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Because the redirect Lake Reporoa is already in that category, as I discovered after adding it to Reporoa Caldera (and then reverting myself). Grutness...wha? 02:13, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, no expert on categorisation rules. ChaseKiwi (talk) 09:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]