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Central Asia stub[edit]

Yeah you are right. Central Asia stub seems to be dublicate. Feel free to go ahead with deletion.cs 07:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

All that confusion is partly because the project page does not have links to related templates.I need to collect them on the project page.cs 09:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

NG discussion[edit]

I've put together a draft of that message/infobox thing on my sandbox. Feel free to edit it to your liking. What pages do you think it should be on?

Any or all of these would be useful. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 13:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the notice to all the pages, except CFD. I'm not 100% positive the notice would be useful there. Hopefully this will attract editors without being too pushy. I know a lot of people are not fond of those sorts of notices. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 21:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bump a discussion so far up, but I didn't feel like making a new section. What do you think we should do? The notices didn't seem to bring in any discussion, and then Caerwine offered yet another suggestion. There's hardly been enough people talking about it to have clear consensus. We could, umm.... make the box yellow? hahaha... mostly kidding. Anyway, any thoughts on this? ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 13:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much.[edit]

Dear Grutness, Thank you for educating me about the stub categories, I really am grateful and appreciate your kind help. Thank you so much. --Cyril Thomas 12:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


Dear Grutness, Thanks for the criminology-stub comments. I think the parent category should stay as it is, criminology is definitely fit to an umbrella term for many categories, still, it's better to seperate forensic science and medicine from the criminology category. Of course, criminology stub could be used as a secondary stub for those articles, including articles deals with forensic psychiatry and psychology, even criminal law, though criminology often acknowledges the descipline is the non-legal aspects of crime. Still, there are many divisions of arts and science criminology tag perfectly fits into, like victimology, correctional administration, police science, penology, law enforcement, criminological psychology, research on crime etc. Thanks for the supporting views.--Cyril Thomas 02:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for spotting that the name was misleading and for alerting me to the debate, to which I have now made a contribution. —Ian Spackman 07:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 00:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I was just using it as a shortcut because I kept putting kiribati-stub instead of kiribati-geo-stub. Is it that huge of a deal? Thanks. :) -Indolences 00:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, go ahead and delete it. I think I just used it on a couple pages anyway. thank you. -Indolences 01:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind. I just read what you wrote on the deletion page and I replaced the page with a real stub. Is it adequate? --Indolences 01:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, looks fine to me :). Grutness...wha?

Scottish football stubs[edit]

Thanks for your message, my apologies for not checking the guidelines first. WATP  15:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


Hello, and thanks very much for your message. I hope I have not caused any administrative or technical problems, as this was certainly not my intention. The stub seemed like the right thing to do, as there are many articles on Iranian actors and actresses. Atashparast 01:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey, sorry to bother you, but I never got a final verdict on the Category:Pathology stubs proposal, and it's been a week. Should I go ahead and create the category? -RustavoTalk/Contribs 01:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

icon image[edit]

Do you know of a wikipedia image version of the smiling/frowning masks? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I think {{Theat-struct-stub}} looks good now. Thanks for the suggestion. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you & Re:NT papyrus stub[edit]

Thank you for allerting me to the stub creation process. I've started on it. This is my first time. Please help me, I can see you're an expert. My main concern is adding the articles, not stubs used in the process. However, this is as good a time as any to learn more about Wiki stub issues and conventions. I'm sure it will come in useful later. Cheers. Alastair Haines 04:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi. Thanks for your post. I've left a reply at WP:WSS/D explaining why I think the template should be kept. (Extra3 15:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC))

  • Basically, there are three issues, as I see it.
One, building societies are mutually-owned, so not technically the same as banks (even if some act that way), so they should be distinctive enough to merit their own template. If they're not, then I'd suggest a {{UK-mutual-society}} template, which could include friendly societies, and any mutual insurance companies (if there are any of those left) of the UK.
Two, there isn't a {{UK-bank-stub}}, as has been pointed out.
Three, there doesn't seem to be any reason why stub articles shouldn't fit into a permanent category; if that's within the article, or the template, that's another matter, I guess. (Extra3 15:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC))


Hi Grutness. I want to thank you for your explanation of your deletion of the Palestine geo stub and your help in creating a Palestine history stub for that category instead. I wanted to ask you, given your comments, how you would classify the area discussed in this article Seam Zone? Thanks. Tiamut 10:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

How would I classify it? I wouldn't - I'd leave it to someone better versed in Middle East politics :) More seriously, there's nothing to stop an article having more than one stub template, and areas along borders between two countries usually get the geo-stubs for both countries - so giving it both Palestine-geo-stub and israel-geo-stub would make sense. If a Middle East politics stub existed it might also be useful (there doesn't seem to be one at the moment, but it might be worthwhile - I might propose that one, too. As for the help, no problem. One of the reason the stub-sorting project is there is to work out what stub types would be useful, and a Palestine-hist-stub seems to be one that would be - although the definition of exactlywhat would be covered by it may be tricky. Grutness...wha?
Thanks again for your input and reflections. It's tricky all right. Tiamut 11:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Geo Stub[edit]

Sure thing! I'd try to find more specific geo stub for the geo stubs. Thanks for the compliment! ;) - Time Immemorial 09:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Transylvania stub[edit]

Yeah, my bad....I noticed that about proposing stub types about ten minutes after I'd already created the template. I'll definitely remember it for the future, don't worry. This one was kind of a spur-of-the-moment caprice, I'm not overly attached to it or anything. Sorry for the inadvertant bending of rules...K. Lásztocska 01:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I just posted a response on the stub discovery page...I'm not an expert on Romanian geography but I'm quite the Transylvaniaphile. ;-) K. Lásztocska 01:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


I moved "Austin-stub" to "Austin-TX-stub". This is my first stub template, so I didn't know that a proposal was necessary. I couldn't move the category, but I put it under Texas stubs.

Oh dear. More work. :(( Grutness...wha?

So, should I move it to AustinTX-stub? Sahmeditor 19:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

{{Indonesia-geo-stub}} split consultation[edit]

Already put this on Alai's talkpage, but he hasn't gotten back to me yet so I figured I'd as you as well. I've already taken care of creating the majority of the stub templates and subcats - I have five categories for the five major islands or groups of islands, and I"m down to the last one, which poses a problem. Maluku Islands and New Guinea are grouped together. What would you name the category? Also, there are the last two stub templates, for West Papua and Papua - can you think of templates for them that would avoid conflicts with anything in Papua New Guinea? Aelfthrytha 02:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I grouped New Guinea and the Maluku Islands together because that's the way the Indonesians seem to have set things up administratively. Neither one would be big enough to need a cat yet. Aelfthrytha 02:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I am asking for Indonesia issue to actually appear at - please - we have enough problems with what we are dealing with - and when something like this turns up - there are a few editors who would really like to see what is going on. SatuSuro 03:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
See reply at WP talk:WSS/P
Thanks for taking the time to explain the process and context. The Indonesia project has had to cope with unannounced rearrangements in the past and we now get very tetchy about it when there is a sudden watch screen awash with something we didnt know about. cheers - and keep up the good work - glad its you and not me - sigh SatuSuro 05:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Grin yourself[edit]

re: How stubs work

Hi FrankB - I see you've recently tried to use stub templates as thought hey were parameterised. They're not. Have a look at the correction I made to Spanish road to see how they should be formed :) Grutness...wha? 00:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI: I routinely add documentation sorts of comments as extra template params... to the servers/computers they just end up adding to the bit bucket ... and for the rest of us.... little gingerbread clues for kids wandering in de lack of information forest, so to speak. Besides, I can only seem to nail the stub names maybe half the time, and like this, when I'm already overdue for something I should'a been doin' in real life. Sigh! (Nice to see someone is awake out there though! LOL) Cheers, and all fixups gratefully appreciated, so thanks too! // FrankB 02:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. What would the proper country be for the Spanish Netherlands? Looking at the atlas after that edit, Belgium is probably incorrect, though may have been involved in some of the route... Who owned what when beside who's whatzits in which then gets a bit complicated in that part of time-space! Hell, Orek von Lichtenstein from Gelderland claimed to come from those partz and it took most of a Movie to figure out he was telling Knights tales! <g>

That makes sense. I wondered if you were doing some kind of "parameterise just in case" thing - FWIW, almost all geo-stubs now use CountryName-geo-stub (a lot actually split further into country subdivisions). As far as the Spanish Netherlands are concerned, modern boundaries are used, so Belgium-geo-stub is probably the closest, though in the case of that particular stub a more general euro-road-stub and euro-hist-stub probably make as much sense as trying to divide it into individual countries and using geo-stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't know that it matters, but thanks--Good answer. I expect I'll end up doing the expansion inasmuch as I dropped whatever $$$ last night for a used one of these — then again, the terminus on the low countries end is liable to be a many pathed thing... Don't have that luxury going through the Alps though. I'm curious as to whether it be through the cousin Hapburg's turf in Austria, or whether perhaps it went through farther west in Swiss lands. I suspect the later, and both are feasible as I know it passed through Franconia which is now northern Bavaria, but you don't want to march troops any extra distance when you're lucky to make 15 miles a day—on A GOOD DAY! <G> (Modern movement rates would astound even Napoleon!) The canton's pikemen were no laggards, but the Swiss were never one to turn away a money making opportunity--there be a smell of tolls in the air, and they wouldn't want to piss off the 800# Military Gorilla of the day. The Spanish hadn't lost a land battle for well over a century by the start of the era. That suggests a terminus somewhere East of Grenoble around Torino or Milan, if I remember my Italian Geography.

Stub aliasing[edit]

I'm a little surprised stub sorting doesn't do a lot of aliasing. There's always {{r from other template}}, or as many tags as they have, it's make sense to modify that to 'r from other stub template' and have a separate cat just for the alias flavors. The more permutations the better--people don't have perfect recall, nor think the same way--particularly when they're really just stubbing in something as a side show to a major edit elsewhere. Time is precious after all. There's no reason the computer can't do that sort of thing, and every reason to help people get a syntax that works so there is less maintenance work for the man-power doing that thankless job. If you aren't with stub-sorting let me know--I think I'll suggest that to Valentinian and Pegship, who are last I knew. Thanks! (Hmmm closing thought, let me try this obviousity: Help:stub, Help:stub sorting? OK-- some joy! I'll have to try and remember that works. // FrankB 02:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
WP:WSS actually works in the opposite way to that by trying to reduce the number of redirects as much as possible, and for good reason. There is a set standard for stub naming, which makes it easy to work out exactly what name a stub template should have. Almost by definition, any redirects will have names which don't follow that naming pattern. The less adherence to the naming pattern there is, the more probability there will be that parallel stubs with the same purpose are created. Okay, they could be redirected once found to the standard name, but redirects to templates are generally frowned on because they increase server load (far more so than redirects to pages) - this is one of the reasons why there are so few {{r from other template}}s in use in comparison to the vast number of Wikipedia templates. There are also a number of (how to put this politely?) "original thinkers" out there who decide that redirects are really better as completely separate parallel templates. Yes, it probably takes a little more time and effort to sort this way, you're right, but as far as the maintenance of the different stub types themselves is concerned, it's a lot easier with as few redirects as possible. Grutness...wha? 05:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd be surprised if you can back up the "increased server loading" claim with any real fact. According to Brion Vibber, pages are cached "Aggressively"... so what's one jumpto cost in compositing a page? Hardly something one could call a "load". Templates on lots of pages, OTOH, do make for an update que issue when changed, simply because all those cached pages have to be recomposited--the system doesn't know, nor have anyway to tell a change is trivial (+/- a cat say, or adding an inline comment; the former updates a specific data record, the latter can be a problem if it's in a template). But hey, who's going to change a redirected template name's content very often?

The problem I have with that kind of 'rigidity' (or with categories, or any 'forced compliance to some naming scheme' outside articles naming conventions) is that it forces people to learn the standard and "code of permissible order and permissible abbreviations and overall style (sytax of putting all together)" when they're volunteers offering free time and totally disinterested in stubs per se, it's naming schema especially, but are just trying to do the right classification while taking care of the business they do care about. Worse, it normally requires that they remember it, or waste time again relearning something which is pretty dry and perhaps used once a month. (I certainly don't start more articles than that normally! <g>) Look at this instance, I made a good faith effort of two or three things that seemed sensible, and had to give up, or go research it. Bam-- Another {tl|stub}}, which costs someone else time, AND THAT I hate. But I also have to look out for myself occasionally, so this time... well you found them! <g>

We went around and around on 'unambiguous' names in reorganizing Maps category's names last year on the Commons, so too this past winter with category names for templates--which directly affects me, so naming issues aren't simple, but when there is a redirect used, they can be much easier on the userS!

Strikes me that the policy as is, is like dropping a small walnut on your footsie--1,000 times a day-- eventually, it's gonna hurt! There have to be some days when there is a large backlog on things just tagged with {{stub}}--because all the learning curves (and the nuances in them! The order thing and syntaxes!) get to be really taxing and indeed, daunting to the newcomer. For my part, I'll be one happy camper when the redirect a category (directly) system software change (last I heard, t'was in Beta test somewhere) comes through. Half or more of alternative naming on CFD will disappear as reasons to debate or nominate stuff. I'm not sure why having geo-stub-germany, germany-geo-stub, geo-germany-stub, and stub-geo-germany would add to the maintenance load--they'd all end up in the same category. Anyway, thanks for the reply... even if I don't get it, or agree--the courtesy and attempt to get through is appreciated. (Yawn) Ooops!!! Need to finish up and get to bed! G'night! // FrankB 06:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

RFAs etc[edit]

Māori wikipedia (Bureaucrat vote)[edit]

Hi Grutness - remember how you voted for me to be an admin there - another vote is in progress and I'd be grateful if you would take part in that too... Please have a look at mi:Wikipedia:Ngā tono whakatū kaiwhakahaere - Brian NZ has nominated me for bureaucrat at mi. Important because we have no active bureaucrat there at the moment, and it would be a milestone for the Wikipedia Māori. There is a need at the moment for bots etc to be flagged... Cheers Kahuroa 10:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re wooden shelters: Ha. You understood perfectly. Just celebrating the passing of the 600 article mark and wishing that the wiki will grow and flourish in appropriately poetic language. But you knew that. And thanks for the vote of confidencia - I can breathe again. Kahuroa 12:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank You All[edit]

As you all know, some hacker cracked my password and I have been stripped of my admin powers. I can understand an admin. being blocked, but stripped of his powers without a fair hearing or consensus, I can't. I have stated that I changed my password and would like my powers back, however the chastizing going on in [[1]] has sadden me. It doesn't matter how many articles you have written, contributions you have made or how many years you have dedicated to making this project a credible one. A hacker, it seems has the power of making people consider you an untrustful person and turning some people in the community against you.

I have never abused of my powers and I have used Wikipedia as a medium to educate others. Yes, I have no regrets about having made so many contributions to the Pedia. I exhort all of my friends here to make sure that their passwords are strong ones so that you will not have to go through what I am going through.

I did promise some of my friends a couple of articles and as a good Marine I will keep my promise. To my friends here, Thank you for your friendship. Tony the Marine 00:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you (Tony the Marine)[edit]

My adminship has been restored and let me tell you, we've got to very careful with our passwords. You know, despite the headache that this caused me, it really made me feel good to know how many friends I have in Wikipedia. The support has been incredible. I can't let my friends here down. Tony the Marine 04:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Adminship (Dr. Submillimeter)[edit]

Thank you for the thought, but I would like to pass on becoming an administrator at this time, although maybe in a few months. A couple of months ago, I found that things such as my nominations at WP:CFD would sometimes become magnets for personal attacks against me, and the merits of my discussion points or nominations would be lost. If I became an administrator at this time, I feel like my decisions could still attract such personal attacks, which I would rather not deal with right now. However, if things cool down in a couple of months, then I may be interested. Dr. Submillimeter 10:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

replied Grutness...wha?


Infoboxes for NZ towns and cities etc[edit]

Have raised this on the NZ noticeboard idf you'd like to comment. Cheers Kahuroa 00:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Robyn Hitchcock[edit]

Hi Grutness, Thanks for adding Robyn Hitchcock to the under reveiw section on the famous synesthetes page... If you could provide a couple of references for the quotes you mentioned on the talk page, that would be great. I'll start looking into later today when I have a chance. Best, Edhubbard 07:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking around the web, but haven't had a lot of success in tracking down the sort of quotes that you mentioned to support Robyn Hitchcock being a synesthete (I'm not doubting you... I believe he well might be, but you know all about WP:V). I'm probably just missing it, so if you do find anything please pass it along. Best, Edhubbard 21:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Something different[edit]

Hey there, man... I seem to have stepped on the toe of a POV-pushing aggresive anon editor, which is a shame since I wish I hadn't gotten involved so that I could indefinitely block him. Anyway, I don't care much for most admins of the Wikipedia with their holier-than-thou approach to matters, so I'd like to ask you to perhaps have a look in the matter and act as you see fit. The wreck that is this person's Contributions page is here: [2]. If you don't feel like it or don't want to get involved, I understand perfectly. Best regards, --Sn0wflake 17:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the help. The problem has been resolved for now. :) --Sn0wflake 01:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone to block[edit]

Seeing as your "my local" wikipedian could you block/restrict this guy, If he hasn't already been? A quick search will reveal he has turned lame vandalism into a career. Cheers! Paige Master 02:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea. Willdo. Grutness...wha? 09:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah - someone's beaten me to it :) Grutness...wha?
Oh well, worth a try. How many times do "those types" of users get banned before it becomes permanent? Paige Master 07:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Too many times :( There are often prblems with permanent blocks for anon IPs, though. Grutness...wha? 05:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

General maintenance is all[edit]

General maintenance is all that's required. To tell you the truth I don't even know that much about the Kabbalah. I'm still learning. But I have a natural aptitude for things magickal. Not that the Kabbalah is strictly that; maybe I should say mystical. I have a question for you what is a banner; is it the template that designates the project? Let me know. Lighthead 21:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Your note[edit]

Thanks for the note and apologies for my belated response. And you're right, the New Zealand Maori isn't me (or, if you will, vice versa). I'm also not the Australian astronomer who has a Wikipedia article about him. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Kamakuza[edit]

I've nominated Kamakuza, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Kamakuza satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamakuza and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Kamakuza during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. NB - I'm emphatically not AfDing it because there's anything wrong with it but just because it's already been transwikied but didn't want to prod it. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough - if it's transwikied that's fine. Grutness...wha?

Wikipedia Rotuman[edit]

Thanks for your vote of support for Wikipedia Rotuman! It's going towards what I feel will be a very important resource for the future of my language. Noa'ia! --Mattbray 07:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Alleged Beatles malapropisms[edit]

Read this and this from that article's discussion page. I'm not going to go over this ground again; I'm certainly not the only one who remains unconvinced that these are malapropisms at all. +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking me for my opinion on these phrases from Ringo Starr. I haven't looked at the malapropism article for a long time but I've checked back through the history, as you suggested, to see which sources you were citing. I see there now seems to be a dispute going back and forth over these phrases. However, regrettably, I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to provide the support you may have been hoping for.
Compare Disraeli gears, an album title from the same era. The word Disraeli is quite like derailleur and these words, both of which are relatively little used and not well known, have been mixed up by someone who we presume is not very articulate - hence the comic effect.
By contrast, in the case of "A hard day's night" two elements are missing: 1. the word "night" is not like "work" and 2. these are basic English words which are known by the most basic of English speakers. For these reasons they are not being mixed up as a malapropism (where the speaker actually thinks he or she is saying the correct word, sometimes even after the error has been pointed out) but as some other form of confusion - Ringoism, if you like.
The same factors apply to "Tomorrow never knows": 1. "knows" doesn't sound like "comes" and 2. these are words whose meaning would not be confused by the most basic of English speakers.
So I have to say that it seems to be clearly the case that these are not examples of malaproposms.
As for the sources, there seems to be little doubt that John Lennon called these malapropisms. But at the same time, there seems little doubt that he was wrong. He was a hugely successful performer and songwriter but he was not (and probably would never have claimed to be) an authority on word usage. I don't know what the Beatles books say as I don't have access to them but I would guess they simply repeat what John Lennon said. Whatever they say, I'm afraid that not many people would claim that guides to the history of the Beatles were authoritative academic references on word usage.
I'm sorry I couldn't give more support to your point of view but I feel completely confident that John Lennon was wrong in suggesting these phrases were malapropisms. Thanks again for asking me to comment. Adrian Robson 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. If only User:ILike2BeAnonymous had stated things as well, this would never have flared up to this extent. BTW, the Beatles books don't repeat Lennon's quote, but give further examples of Ringoisms, such as asking for "slight bread" (sliced) or commenting on Paul's "harmoniums" (harmonies) on a song. Grutness...wha?

Re: {{nn-welcome}} (yay section 100!)[edit]

No problem! I just got tired of typing out both templates, so decided to combine them into one. Glad I could help. Face-smile.svgHersfold (talk/work) 00:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

New Zealand Doctor Who Fan Club[edit]

Can I query why you restored the New Zealand Doctor Who Fan Club article? It clearly breaks the CSDa7 guidance in that it is about a fan club for a UK television series and the article has no external sources to backup its notability claim. If one Doctor Who fan club is to be allowed a separate article, hundreds more will demand one also; currently no other unofficial Doctor Who fan clubs do have articles in Wikipedia. --The Missing Hour 09:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. I'd suggest that this is an article about a "group" in the A7 sense as it is a "fan club". Also, the recovery of two episodes makes up a single sentence in an otherwise unremarkable article, therefore shouldn't it be merged with Doctor Who fandom and, more importantly, given sources (newspaper references or DWM articles)? --The Missing Hour 07:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
How about rebranding the NZDWFC page as a general Doctor Who in New Zealand article (similar to the Doctor Who in Australia one), starting from the recovered episodes, moving onto its significant presence as a sci-fi community in the country, and incorporating the existing TSV publication article. I'm not sure who best to suggest this to, but perhaps you know someone through the NZ Project. In the meantime, I'll try and track down some sources on the recovered episodes. --The Missing Hour 22:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Stella Nova[edit]

I noticed from the old Stella Nova AfD discussion that you were advocating keep. As a New Zealand administrator who would be aware of the notability of the organization, I think you should know another administrator has deleted it without any discussion as non-notable. I've left them a comment that the deletion was probably incorrect and definitely out-of-process, but I thought you should be aware of the situation. TheRealFennShysa 21:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Situation appears to be taken care of - seems an anon IP tagged it over the weekend. TheRealFennShysa 21:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)