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I just wanted to say thanks for your assistance with answering all of the questions I've been receiving about my bot. Your help is really appreciated! Best, Hagerman(talk) 04:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


I posted a final, then saw your block, and posted the block notification. So all sorted :)  Glen  13:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice teamwork!

ClanBase article deletion


I just noticed that the article on ClanBase has been deleted, citing "spam, biased" as reasons. I'm not a savvy Wikipedia user, so forgive me if I'm directing this at the wrong person.

I don't understand this. Yes, it may be biased because it as far as I know was written mostly by ClanBase users/crew members such as myself, but I don't think there were any exaggerations or misstated facts. With more than 1.6 million members, ClanBase is one of the largest online gaming leagues in the world. That is a fact. I would be thrilled if someone unbiased would write an article about it, but nobody has, so is it better to have no info on ClanBase than to have a factual article written by fans of the organization? I doubt that ClanBase is the only subject for which this is the case in Wikipedia.

Cheers, Nico 18:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

stats on meta

Nice stats on meta steward elections. I follow the results from there. I have a little request. Could you add an additional if statement, that it will not count the line if line starts with # but then it continues with <s>. So the votes that striked out wont be counted. TIA. --Dbl2010 04:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


I 'm going to ask you something simple. On Hrisi Avgi it is mentioned that the party is disbanded and its members continue their activity throught Patriotic Alliance. However, in the external links section, the link to Patriotic Alliance's site says "Official site of Patriotiki Symmachia" (the Greek name of the party). Can you please change that to the english name, "Patriotic Alliance"? I telling that because the ignorant readers don't know what "Patriotiki Symmachia" is. Can you also change "site" to "website" in all links? It's a minor an uncontroversial edit, but improves the standard of English in the article. I 'm not going to ask anything else. Thanks Mitsos 09:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


Gurch you suck man. I bet you like to take it up the behind, and you sit on your comp all day like a nerd. You can go suck yourself off because I didn't vandalize anything mericon. Tu chupas mucho bolas todos a la noche puto. Adios —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gurchyousabizotch (talkcontribs) 20:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Blocking Request

I see that you once blocked this user. He has done more vandalism since then (most recently 13 December). Care to block him again, maybe for longer/forever? Thanks! 18:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

21:11, 29 November 2006 Gurch (Talk | contribs) blocked "User: (contribs)" with an expiry time of 48 hours (vandalism)

I saw your reply to this message. Thanks! 22:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


Hey, you reverted Dave Chappelle a minute ago. I'm trying to revert it further because there's still vandalism, but it won't let me because of a spam filter. Are you able to revert it more? Thanks much, Peace, delldot | talk 03:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, got it, thanks. delldot | talk 04:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sparky The Fox

I Appreciate your handling of that guy. He is a total idiot and Good job with the IP block. I hate people who put their morals and their opinions above everyone elses. Wikipedia is a better place without him. Cheers! Your actions do not go unnoticed, I appreciate your contributions and your actions against people like them.

Sincerely Carlo V. Sexron 05:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Carlo V. Sexron


Haven't you seen my message? Mitsos 13:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks anyway. Mitsos 13:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment from Nornisse

I have to question your motives for reverting the Yule article back to Right Wing Neo-Nazi extremist pagan-propaganda. If you don't believe that Scandinavian Humanist celebrate a secular Yule and do believe that the burning cross/wheel has anything to do with a non-christian Yule you are very sadly confused. Please revert the article back to reality. If you do not believe this I suggest you talk to some of the hundreds of thousands Humanist Yule celebrants in Scandinavia or millions of secular Yule celebrants in Scandinavia - you will find that they outnumber the neo-pagans by far and are not happy about this article at all.

Modern Neo-pagans are at best a marginal Winter Solstice celebrating group compared to others. In fact the Yule word is Scandinavian in orgin, this is why it is used in Scotland and is in the English language. Admit please that this article has been hijacked på extemists with a different agenda and rectefy your mistake by reverting it back to the edit. Leaving out the Humanist Winter Solstice celbrations "Yule" is a serious factual mistake. Thank you.

Sorry for jumping the gun on this one. Seems that the user Whenning is the culprit in this revert. I want to avoid a edit war though.

Nornisse 22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and wanted to thank you for the gramatical/spelling clean up. Still think the article should be reverted back to your last edit, even what ever the christian spammer and neo-nazi deleter wants.

Thank you! :)

Nornisse 00:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


Hello Gurch -- Look at what has happened to T:atn! Is it vandalism? I have remmed T:atn out completely until we can figure out what is wrong and fix it. It is calling a page in your user space, perhaps you can figure out what is wrong? Or do you want me to? -- Polaris999 00:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

File:Template atn problem 15dec06.jpg

Follow-up I discovered that the problem was that User:Gurch/T/Atn-last, which you had changed T:fast-forward to call instead of T:last-taf, had been deleted. I therefore changed T:fast-forward back to calling T:last-taf and now everything is working fine again. -- Polaris999 02:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Waterloo Sunset

I'm curious to know which version of Waterloo Sunset you uploaded here here. The background vocals are far more inspiring than the version I have which comes from the original album Something Else. -Casius 04:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

"West London Penguin Swimming and Water Polo Club"

You recently deleted the entry I had created for "West London Penguin Swimming and Water Polo Club". Many of the club members have been Olympians and members of National teams; does that not qualify the club has notorious enough? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louislemieux (talkcontribs) 23:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

Is the material for the West London Penguin Swimming Club page still held in storage somewhere so that it can be retrieved or must I start again from scratch? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louislemieux (talkcontribs) 21:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

R. C. Sherriff/Sources

Hi! On december 8, you deleted the page R. C. Sherriff/Sources with the comment "left over from page move". I don't know what the content on this page was, but I'm noting that it is still linked from R. C. Sherriff. I'm thinking that the contents of that page should be saved somewhere, either directly in the article as usual or on Talk:R. C. Sherriff. The page was mentioned on m:Talk:Wikicite. Also, I want to know how your user page works! :-)skagedal... 18:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[1] — excellent, thanks! —skagedal... 23:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Repeated vandal

Hi Gurch. It seems a vandal I've warned with a test4 thinks that because he uses a shared IP that he's immune from blocking ([2]), which worries me somewhat. Cheers, --Dweller 14:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

T:For_loop at risk

Hello Gurch. I do not understand this at all: AzaToth put a tfd tag on T:For_loop! I removed it, but perhaps he will replace it. Why would he do this? Its numerous transclusions are clearly displayed in the "What links here" list. -- Polaris999 19:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to know what is the proper procedure to add a page.

To whom it may concern,

I tried to add "Ozura " to Wikipedia again, but i didn't manage save it and there is a "Final warning" message sent to me.

1. I am using "Ozura" instead of "Ozura Mobile" and wikipedia mentioned that i cannot use a broad Google search keyword. So i did not use it. 2. I did not upload any logo/pictures for this time. 3. I did not write a list of the games in the website.

I am just followed what excatly "Gameloft" did, however "Ozura" page keep deleted by Wikipedia.

Could you please explain this to me clearly.

Thanks for your time. – 00:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Alexandre Frota

Hi. I notice you've made edits in the past to the Alexandre Frota article. I've expressed several concerns about the article on its Talk page; please take a moment to read them and help edit the article to meet Wikipedia policies and guidelines, or it may be deleted.

(If your edits were strictly of the maintenance variety, and this information doesn't interest you, please pardon any perceived intrustion.)

Thanks.Chidom talk  02:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

fortuna philosophy

hi gurch, i think you deleted the fortuna(philosophy) posting because you thought it was a recreation of the article deleted by lucky...but this article was revised with references added which was a major concern for lucky (ie is this reputable enought to have a wiki listing)....sooo...i did revise it and asked lucky what i should do at that point and he said i should go ahead and try to post the revised version which i did...was there something you saw wrong with the article that you think needs revised? thanks much – Kismetologist 03:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Mikkal Morottaja

What criteria for notability would you like in order for the Mikkal Morottaja article to be left in place? Of the criteria for notability listed on the Wikipedia:Notability (music), he fulfills at least #1 and #7, #4 I'm not sure about, but I believe to be true, too. I've requested clarification for notability for musicians and groups of minority groups at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28music%29#Determining_notability_for_music_in_minority_groups; I would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and comment if you feel that there is need to. As a side note, your deletion affected the Finnish and Saame wikipedias leaving them with broken links. -Yupik 08:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I'll try and get around to sourcing the text during the holidays. -Yupik 15:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm the subject of the Wiki you commented on

Hi. I'm the David Burt mentioned here. Who do I talk to about editing this? This is missing a lot of citations and other stuff. David Burt (former librarian and activist) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidBurt2000 (talkcontribs) 21:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Non-Latin Username Blocks

There is some dispute as to whether these blocks are supported. There are many active editors who do just fine contributing with non-latin names. Per the discussion here, there seems be support for reccomending for to people creating a username at en.WP to not use non-latin characters. But does not appear to be consensus for blocking people on sight who already have a non-latin account at another Wikimedia wiki. Will you please start taking these non-latin username through Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names in order to better gather opions on the mattter? Thank you for your atttention to this matter.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply. I did not mean to imply your previous actions were out of step with policy. There are claims that these blocks are not happening automactically [3] and therefore the policy does not need changing to stop blocks which are "not happening". The non-latin section has been twice removed and reverted. I for one support your removal, but I hope this explanation helps you understand why I came to various admins suggesting the use of RfC's. I am sorry if I offended you. I do believe you were doing what you thought the en.WP community wanted at the time. It is hard to change the policy to not support blocking when people are denying that the policy does support blocking. I hope you can understand the difficult position I am. One group tells me the policy is fine there are simply individual overzealous admins [4]. The other group say their actions are supported by policy and I should change the policy not their actions. I am hoping the use of RfC's might bring more light to the issue.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 18:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"Get Your Act Together"

More penis vandalism? Am I really going to have to start checking every template myself? Enough. Get your act together. – Gurch 16:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

At who was that directed? Zzyzx11 (talkcontribsblocksprotectsdeletionsmoves) for accidentally skipping over this template? Everyone except you? -- tariqabjotu 17:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Everyone. Including me. – Gurch 18:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed my name got into this conversation. I will admit that I missed protecting those templates that the penis vandal got, both the December 15 SA and the December 24 POTD. But Gurch has a valid point that it is essentially the whole community's fault. Because it got to a point where only one user, me, was monitoring the main page protections. That in my opinion is unacceptable for an important page like the main page. Not only was there not another Wikipedian to double check myself, but what could have happened if I got too busy or went on a wikibreak -- and all of the templates and images for a particular day was not protected? So hopefully, more eyes and a new bot will prevent it from ever happening again. Regards, Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Oh, my. Really wasn't expecting that. :) I'm always really bad at taking compliments, but it's very nice to feel appreciated. I've always been glad to work in your company. Six months went by so quickly. Wonder if I'll still be saying that in another six? But anyway, before I ramble too much, thanks much, and a merry, merry Christmas to ya! Luna Santin 03:32, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably eventually. I'm still basking in the "ooh, shiny." =D Luna Santin 11:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of an entry

On November 21, you deleted an entry I posted for blatant advertising. On December 17, I wrote a new entry for the same company, and it was immediately deleted as well. It was a different article, and it just gave some basic information about the company. I had added a reference to this company to the following Wikipedia pages, and I would like the internal link to have some basic information.

Science and technology in Israel
List of NAS manufacturers
List of Israeli companies

I am pasting my revised entry below. Could you please let me know what is problematic with it, and what recommendations you can make to allow me to post something for this nas storage company? Thank you, --Aims3Bor 08:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Entry

Exanet Ltd., founded in 2000, provides NAS software solutions Exanet storage system solutions are hardware independent. Their NAS software storage solution provides single file system scalability, and is compatible with Linux, Mac, and PC computer systems. ExaStore is comprised of the following components:

  • ExaStore software
  • Intel-based servers (nodes)
  • Standard gigabit Ethernet networking components
  • Fibre channel attached storage array
Product Development

In 2003, ExaStore, started shipping


Exanet is headquartered in Israel with offices in the USA, UK, Germany, France and Japan

External links
  • [link removed]

Thanks for the help. I just re-submitted. I hope this meets the guidelines.

--Aims3Bor 11:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Image protection

[5] Sorry! I sorta forgot about protecting the image after I had changed it.

At least, that big new warning will remind me next time :-D. Nishkid64 01:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Your bot screwed up our archives!

GurchBot 2 has messed up the archives at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics and probably many others which use Werdnabot to archive their talk pages. You did not change the Werdnabot invocations to show the new file name for the current archive so it added the archived material to the redirects which you left behind. Also, a minor point, you did not change the archive lists to point at the new file names so they are now all going thru the redirects. JRSpriggs 03:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Gurch, I was just going to point you to the thread the above user started involving your bot. Thanks for your attention to this matter! Flcelloguy (A note?) 04:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I fixed this for the two projects I mentioned above, but we need to get the word out to the other users who may be affected so that they can fix their Werdnabot invocations and repair their archives before the situation gets worse. I am sticking with your new file names. JRSpriggs 05:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry. Replied in full at the admin noticeboardGurch 13:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply and clarification! I just wanted you to be aware of the AN post concerning your bot, but take your time in fixing things if it's not urgent; your contributions and bot-work are appreciated. Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the article ClanBase

In reference to:

We at ClanBase are very disappointed in wikipedia that a grand article about ClanBase has been deleted while other articles from similar organizations are kept ( & ).

I would argue (and I would argue on wikipedia if I found out how to) that it would be nearly impossible to have a "non-biased" history of CB since the best source of reference material for CB is CB itself or it's Crew members. I would also expect that there is a similar situation for pretty much any other website documented on wikipedia, apart from the most world-renowned ones that would have been referenced in/on respected news sites.

If it's demanded, we could modify the article or let our users write something on the issue, as long as we are featured on the great wikipedia.

Thank you.

Bleahetc 20:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#CAT:CSD_backlog - You're not the only one he likes to attack and stalk. See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-19 Zoe and badlydrawnjeff. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I think "attack and stalk" is a little strong... – Gurch 00:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Whatever. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

re main page

Indeed the entire community (non-administrators too) should take responsibility for this. When I posted at WP:AN and Talk:Main Page, I assumed there was a group of people that took care of this, and they seemed to be in need of a little motivation. I wasn't aware that it had got to the point that there was only one person having to do it. Obviously you cannot be blamed for such circumstances and I apologize if I gave that impression. I notice the bot is only going to notify administrators that pages need protection; this is all very well, but it's all too easy to get back to the situation where there's only one person doing it, if only one person is monitoring the bot's page. In my opinion, the community's outright rejection of the automation of any administrative process, however benign, is idiotic and misguided, and the project is really beginning to suffer because of it. Sadly it doesn't look like this attitude will change any time soon. Gurch 12:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

There was in fact a group of 4-7 people who were constantly monitoring the the main page templates a few months ago. But for one reason or another they stopped and I found myself being the only one who was doing it. Luckily after this last incident, it looks like a couple of them are coming back to help out again.
As for a bot that does some automation of any administrative process, the community is very, very reluctant to allow one. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Marudubshinki is one example that makes people hesitant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Unblock me

Please unblock User:こいつぅ. Non-latin usernames are no longer inappropriate; See: Wikipedia:Username.-- 12:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I oppose this. To me this user's name just looks like a string of question marks. How could I know who I was dealing with, if such user-ids were allowed? I suggest that this user choose a Latin version of his name. JRSpriggs 08:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
And therein lies the whole problem. If you look at Wikipedia talk:Username, you'll essentially see the above two points repeated` over and over (and over) again – Gurch 11:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't look at the name. You look at the contributions. The user is adding inter-wikilinks. Can you tell if this is vandalism? (You will need to be able to read Japanese articles). If you can't tell, assume good faith. Certainly don't block. Carcharoth 16:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

At the time I issued this block (a few months ago), having a username with non-Latin characters was in itself grounds for blocking. This is not just my interpretation of the username policy; many other people issued such blocks and none of my blocks were questioned at the time. The username policy has now been changed a number of times and there seems to be a debate over exactly how acceptable these usernames are. While it's certainly no longer appropriate to block such usernames, I'm still reluctant to retrospectively unblock all the usernames I blocked when it was standard practise. I have asked this user to leave {{unblock}} on his talk page and allow someone who is less uncertain than me to make the decision – Gurch 20:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Looking at the contributions rather than the name ignores the whole reason for having names or words for that matter -- to summarize in a short easily-grasped unit something which would otherwise be too complex to speak, think, or act on.
Just now I tried to enter this user's "name", i.e. "%E3%81%93%E3%81%84%E3%81%A4%E3%85" as far as I can tell, into the system and it rejected it. Allowing such names would be a travesty. I could not even talk about him with other users, unless his identity was already part of the context as it is here. JRSpriggs 06:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
You could refer to him as Koitsū or Irritating username if you wanted. Or indeed you could call him コイツー. I'd agree that it's a pretty silly username on en:WP, though. -- ホーリ (uninvited interloper) 13:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, guys, please. There's a much more comprehensive discussion of this issue at Wikipedia talk:Username. You are welcome – indeed encouraged – to participate there; however, I'd rather you didn't all start a new debate on my talk page. Thanks – Gurch 14:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, this page appears to be dead. Nobody works there. I noticed it on admin's board I also requested {{helpme}} but nobody paid attention. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 21:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I wrote a message to User:JzG, thanks for advise. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 22:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice warnings!

I like the warnings you put here. Would it be possible to also mention how reverting to old versions of the template can lead to unprotected stuff ending up on the Main Page? Carcharoth 16:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I can't edit protected pages. But I can use {{editprotected}}, so I'll do that. Carcharoth 18:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been considering it, but I still want to try out a few more areas and see where my editing interests lie first. I'd much prefer to (eventually) be a prolific editor than end up doing too much admin work. Also, it's only recently that I've found any need for admin tools. I'll see how it goes in the next few months. Thanks again for the vote of confidence. Carcharoth 20:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope we don't get too polarised

Please don't take the attacks on misuse of IRC personally. I'm sure you're one of the genuine guys (as are most users) and responsible in the way you use IRC. Those arguing against it can't realistically expect to end its use, but I hope the debate at least alerts editors to the concerns and leads to a sense of good form developing (or even a voluntary code-of-conduct), whereby people interrupt and say, "Hey, that's off limits", or whatever. I'm sure those recently traduced on IRC would rather be arguing with the villains of the piece than with guys like you, who wrongly find themselves taking the flak on the latter's behalf. qp10qp 21:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

WP admin comments

I've just posted this:

This page is getting ridiculously long, I almost missed you. I would refer you to my comment somewhere down there, that a "A man is known by the company he keeps" - sad but true. The IRCadmin channel has a reputation that is now in the gutter, please do not shoot the messenger, I did not put it there. Giano 20:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't post there again as the length is making my eyes go funny, I think we uinderstand each other though. Giano 20:43, 28 December 2006


05:50, 6 December 2006

The whole "dare not speak of that which most have seen" is maddening, and I will of course respect it if you demure, but your comment was tantalising enough that I simply must ask: Not just December, or even the 6th, but 5:50? Related to this current imbroglio, or something else?
brenneman 02:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


for the helpful tag you added to my archived talk page. Pinkville 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks 2

Thanks for fixing my archived talk page. It was the first try for me. :-) Good to see the help provided by experienced Wikipedians. Mfields1 13:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

A few things

  1. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
  2. Where did you get the stats from?
  3. (Should i mention this? Click edit)

Simply south 22:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

something not meeting notability guidelines

Boy isn't this subjective: notability. An administrator had prevented me from adding a page on '8bitpeoples' as a link from 'nintendo music'. The basis of this action is that it lacked 'notability'.

I had gotten the attention of a sysop by making an accidental one-line save just to start the page and this looked to him like a no-content page. Reasonable guess. But I added more stuff to find the sysop had locked the page as I was adding content. Not nice. That really got to me.

But back to the main issue I have with these actions. You and I disagree on 'notability'. I'm going to win this fight with you and the other sysops because I know I'm right. I do not care what you do with what I have to say.

I want to say that you know nothing about 'nintendo music', and I am an expert having enjoyed and created such music. Why should your opinion overrule mine in terms of the subjective notability. Suppose I were to tell you I have a PhD in biochemistry and you prevented me from adding something to the stereoisomer page. That'd get my goat, were that the case, because without even knowing you, I'd say for certain you know less than or equal to me about that subject. Something similar has happened here. I don't want that to upset you and it shouldn't because it is common sense.

So, people know the 8bitpeoples because:

1. It's a record label that covers MANY artists that make 'nintendo music' or '8bit music'.

2. It's linked to and sponsored by Creative Commons on their site, with tens of thousands of downloads of hundreds of megabytes of CC-licensed mp3s of many different artist. See for yourself. (Carlos Mencia bops his head with the mic, 'Dur-Da-durr', in the background)

3. They've been around for years and continue to grow.

4. The music is free, so you should listen to it and enjoy it. This also means lots of people know about it. It's well in the public domain. Literally.

5. Other artists that are sponsored by the record label already have pages in wikipedia. Much lesser, more obscure and certainly less 'NOTABLE' things are in wikipedia, so the sysop's actions seem discriminatory with regards to the subject matter.

6. Most of all, I am not trying to promote 8bit people. I could care less if other people listen to them or if they have a wikipedia page. But I DO think they should be included in Wikipedia for the sake of being a complete reference in understanding what 'nintendo music' is and giving relevant examples and explanations. What is there now sucks: it does not give a complete picture as nearly ALL artists that do this kind of music are in 8bitpeoples and they are not represented at all on the page. "You want the truth? you can't handle the truth!!"

7. if you have a link to 'nintendo music' and you have a link to 'coca cola' then obviously you are being discriminatory regarding what goes in and what does not if you don't have a page for 8bitpeoples

8. If there's not enough to say about this subject, I understand THAT. But at least put a link under the 'nintendo music' page link section for goodness sake. I can't do it myself unless the lock on my ability to edit it has been removed. I dont' know if they expire or not.

Just thought you'd like to know.

Thanks AdminGurch. – Mchrisneglia 11:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Weird problems with an user.

Hello, (my mother language is not English) I'm a huge fan of the Japanese Music and I love Wikipedia, so i always try to improve their articles related to the J-Pop, but recently there's an user who's removing ALL the info that lacks sources, look, for example the Art of Life article, that's a X JAPAN song, and all the songs are composed by someone and have a history, ok, I added this info to the article, I know a lot about the band and so i wanna share this with Wikipedia, ok, first with the Art of Life article, first take a now, and compare it with this: Ok, i know there's no citations, but look:

  • Yoshiki began writing the song after he recovered from injuries during the Rose & Blood tour.
    • Source: In their last single released, The Last Song (X Japan song), it was included a short biography of the band (written by Josephine Yun), that biography says this, that Yoshiki composed the song there. The problem is that i add this to the article but i don't find any source so he deletes the information when it's true, of course there's that biography in some websites but this websites are fan sites so if I put the link to this he deletes the source, so there's no way to improve the history of the song.
  • A demo version was recorded called End of the World with Taiji on bass, which was released on 2002 Taiji's album Rose & Blood [Indies of X].
    • He removed this when it's true, he can go to the shop and buy the album he will find the song, how i can add a source to this? Ok, i add a link from a shop but in japanese because is a japanese album, and then... look out!! he said this:

Also, the text found in this "source" is almost entirely in Japanese. As stated by WP:V, English language sources are prefered, as most readers and fellow contributors have no way of knowing whether this page actually backs up your claims or not.

Come on, this is rascism!! Ok, i'm not gonna post more things, but he just edits without thinking, and if we wanna put some citations, the only way is from fan sites that have english translatios, because if we wanna put something in Japanese he deletes, and if we put something from a fan sites he also deletes, summarazing: We cannot put citations, because there's no official sites, but all the info is true, i don't know how to explain it, i know that with just saying "it's true" it's not OK, but it's info that everybody knows, they said that on TV, newspapers, etc. but how we can put citations of this if all it's in japanese and the translations are in fan sites? and also, we don't have to citate everything, if we have to citate sentence per sentence, pff it's impossible, in the official site they never say that the leader of the band was Yoshiki (X Japan) but we know this, we also need a citation? there's no citation but you can find this on videos, newspapers as you can see all the info of that song! And this user also have made also rare edits, for example look this:

Please, do something, he's destroying all the articles.Darkcat21 20:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


Hey Gurch, sorry for the email. I'm not entirely sure why the bot would have malfunctioned like this; did it send one email, or is it still sending alerts? I'm not on its server at the moment, I'll check it as soon as I can. Shadow1 (talk) 13:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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this is a shared computer and i need to edit some informtion, please do not blck this computer – 19:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


I'm currently trying to fix some buggy code and forgot to disable the emails when it was scheduled to run. Shadow1 (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Changes made by your Bot to archives of WP:V

Hi, I was archiving the rather lengthy talk page at WP:V when I realised that your Bot had moved the original archives from the format 'archive1' et seq to 'Archive 1' et seq. Obviously I followed the format suggested by the Bot. Instead of also creating a redirect to the new archives, it seemed easier to correct Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/toc to link to the archives and not the redirects. Presumably the redirects at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/archive1 through to Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/archive14 can now be deleted? There doesn't seem to be a suitable tag at WP:CSD however. I presume they don't require listing at WP:RfD. Can you just delete them and should there be a tag for future occasions when this arises in future? Thanks, WJBscribe (WJB talk) 01:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I see. I confess I hadn't considered how many pages might link to the old format. Well, if the redirects do no harm I guess they may as well stay... Other more pressing things need doing. Thanks for the explanation, WJBscribe (WJB talk) 19:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems with names

Hello, there's a discussion at the X JAPAN article, the official name is X JAPAN, the members are: YOSHIKI, TOSHI, hide, PATA, HEATH, etc. and it's officials, they have a trademark, it's YOSHIKI® but someone is always putting X Japan and Yoshiki, he's avoiding the trademarks or the copyright, if the name is X JAPAN, why puting X Japan? You can take a look at their official site and you'll notice that the name is X JAPAN, the same happens with KOTOKO her name is KOTOKO not Kotoko, so if in her albums, singles, etc, she puts KOTOKO it must be KOTOKO in the article, so, the same happens with X JAPAN, their name was X JAPAN and not X Japan, but people don't know this, what can I do? If we put X Japan we are not respecting the copyright. Darkcat21 13:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


Hello Gurch -- I just saw the results of your most recent changes and am disappointed. The formatting in the navbar is adversely affected (no longer centred!) and the link to the next-to-be-created archive file, which I think we had agreed was useful, no longer appears. Are these problems fixable without using T:forloop? -- Polaris999 23:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Please block this IP address.

Hello. Today, a registered IP address vandalized the Afghanistan article by modifying it's demographics. Please take a look at the change he/she made, it is clearly vandalism in my opinion: Click here. And this registered IP is here. Thanks alot. Behnam 10:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

ProtectionBot discussion

Hi there. I was reading the ProtectionBot discussion, and I noticed in one of the oppose votes discussions you say "remember this bot only protects images and templates on the Main Page". This is incorrect. The bot is also intended to protect templates being used on the featured article, the actual features article page, not the introduction to it that appears on the Main Page. Thus anyone can add a template to the featured article, vandalise the template, and sit back and watch as ProtectionBot protects the vandalised template. The good thing though, is that the featured article is (normally) freely editable, and so anyone can remove the protected vandalised template. This situation is a bit more problematic when the featured article is in a state of protection or semi-protection due to high levels of vandalism (someone always seems to protect the featured article at some point in any given day). However, the discussions at Wikipedia:Main Page featured article protection may change all this. Thus the interaction of all these proposals needs to be carefully considered. Not too much change too fast. Also, no-one seems to have picked up yet on the comment I made here. Where do you think is the best place to raise all this? It might get lost in the RfA. Carcharoth 10:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm copying this to the talk page of the RfA. Carcharoth 10:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)