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"Wikipedia's articles are no place for strong views. Or rather, we feel about strong views the way that a natural history museum feels about tigers. We admire them and want our visitors to see how fierce and clever they are, so we stuff them and mount them for close inspection. We put up all sorts of carefully worded signs to get people to appreciate them as much as we do. But however much we adore tigers, a live tiger loose in the museum is seen as an urgent problem." --WP:TIGER

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Only 995271278 articles left until our billionth article![edit]

We are only 995271278 articles away from our 1,000,000,000th article... --Guy Macon


(edit conflict) Picking up on the above post, there is an issue here. Putting aside's smart arse response at Talk:Transistor–transistor logic (which although unnecessary was somewhat in the same vein as WTS's post - though the latter did contain useful content, it was presented in a smart arse manner). I have no wish to get involved further with that issue.
The real issue here is WTS's almost continuous tirade of abuse directed at editors who chose to edit through an IP address. Examples: [1] and [2] (this last one a legitimate beef that several others have complained about). I do not have the time to document any others but I'm sure you are aware of them. I would be here all night if I tried. These surely must breach WP:CIVIL.
Wikipedia choses to allow IP address editors. WTS may be entitled to his opinion on such editors but he has no right to allow it into Wikipedia agaist Wikipedia's chosen policy. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
While preparing my response, I see I have been hit by an edit conflict where some user other than yourself has deleted the post I am responding to. I do not want to get into an edit conflict, so instead, I would refer you to the version of your talk page where the post is present [3]. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
As we have discussed before, I am putting together a case concerning Wtshymanski. It will have to be carefully researched and well-written, because of Wtshymanski's practice of (usually) staying just within the rules with his toes hanging over the line. I will try to finish it up and post it the the appropriate venue this week. The IP editor, an the other hand, is clearly and repeatedly violating policy, so I will be able to deal with his behavior immediately -- simply because it is easy to do. This does not imply that I have forgotten about our long-term problems with Wtshymanski --Guy Macon (talk) 19:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

By the way, that IP-address was already Blocked when you left those three Warnings... Shearonink (talk) 02:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for not doing this earlier ...[edit]

... but thank you for your input here. No consensus of one should ever be allowed to stand. Face-smile.svgATinySliver/ATalkPage 07:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

You may find the following to be of interest: Wikipedia:Help desk#Guidelines for the use of Template:Archive top and Template:Archive bottom. --Guy Macon (talk) 08:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah. I saw that ... Face-grin.svgATinySliver/ATalkPage 08:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification...[edit]

In case you didn't see my reply at Help Desk:What is considered "reverting"?, thanks for the clear, thorough and useful explanation. It's definitely worth taking the time. Cheers. --Tsavage (talk) 05:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Power factor[edit]

Thank you for your thank you. I meant to drop a note to you yesterday, but unfortunately, time crept up on me. I was going to point out that on this occasion, I had to take Wtshymanski's side in that solar panels in themselves were not a good example of negative power factor. Partly because (as Wtshymanski correctly pointed out), solar panels have no mechanism for absorbing power and converting it into something else (do they actually conduct in the reverse direction?). But also because, the power feed from solar panels into the inverter is DC, so power factor does not rear its head at all.

However, this does raise another age old issue. Wtshymanski was perfectly happy to revert other's contributions ([4] and [5]), but not change it to make it relevant. This is further evidence that Wtshymanski prefers to edit war rather than actually improve anything. As you already noted, it did not require a major rewording to make the example pertinent ([6]). DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

The good news is that my medical issues have improved and I think I will be able to finish documenting these kinds of issues. RFCU is now defunct, and in the discussions leading to the closing there was some talk about users building a complex case in userspace and presenting it to AN or ANI with a link to the userspace research, and then filing an arbcom case if AN once again fails to solve the problem.
There is a lot of material to be gone through in his edit history, even if I limit myself to the last 12 months, and I have every intention of doing my best to document a fair number of those cases where he did good work instead of pushing pseudoscience. I want to be scrupulously fair.
The biggest question in my mind is what remedy to ask for. Are we dealing with one of the the unblockables here? Given his history of responding well to restrictions (in the sense that he constantly pushes the limits but generally stays within them) would something as simple as a general 2RR restriction or a carefully crafted topic ban be enough? Your thoughts? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I think we have agreed in the past that fairness has to be the watchword here. I was not aware of the changes to the process of censuring problem users. The administrators' noticeboards are not as useful as they ought to be. Although the WP:AN3 noticeboard attracts swift response and action, the WP:ANI board is much more hit and miss. Sometimes a swift response is forthcoming but sometimes a complaint goes by with no response or action at all. And it is not just complaints about WTS where this happens, it seems to be a general phenomenon. I wonder if passing admins tackle the easy complaints but leave the more complex ones hoping that someone else might take it on.
At the RfC, three years ago, there was quite a bit of support for sanctions of some sort, and if this stood any chance, it might be the way to go. My only reservation is that this was tried (at least in part) shortly after the RfC. You may recall, that WTS was (and still is) deleting vast tracts of articles by merging an article with another article but omitting to merge the material that he wants to delete. After the RfC, there were complaints and the the admins instructed WTS not to merge any more articles. WTS complied with the instruction - for around just one week. Then a single merge was tried, presumably to see if anyone was watching, and when no objection was lodged it was back to merge as usual. If sanctions are to be the tool, then there needs to be a way of enforcing them.
The two main issues that I do have with WTS, is not so much his attempting to hammer in fringe theories (think: Power factor here). I have amassed sufficient evidence that that is not the driving factor. The driving factor is that WTS will change his viewpoint to facilitate whatever edit war he is trying to persue at that time. He has argued the entirely opposite views in separate talk pages (when he does discuss) to support two unrelated edit wars. I have several examples of this. On one occasion he did it in the same talk page in adjacent discussions. The other issue is that WTS routinely reverts or alters any edits that are made to the articles that he seems to monitor that are made by IP address editors - which is what really drew it to my attention. Reverting vandalism I can accept, but this happens to good faith edits as well. The revert is often for the most tenuous of reasons. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Guy, I have started to keep a track of good faith edits made by IP address editors that get 'auto'-reverted by WTS on tenuous grounds. Naturally, reversion of vandalism will not be included as won't any where WTS may have a valid point (because it does happen).
I am not going to document them all here, but just as an example from today is this reverted by WTS within half an hour here. Edit was clearly good faith and a more or less correct claim. Reverted as, "ungramatical and out of place". The grammar is easily fixed (and WTS himself is more than able to do so) so no excuse for that. And it was not out of place having been added to the very section to which it applied.
Another editor contributed this substantially comprehensive article on Electrolytic capacitors. English was clearly not his native language because the English is nowhere near top notch (not a critism of the editor as he clearly knows a lot about the subject). WTS reverted to the vastly less comprehensive earlier version here claiming it was superior (I suspect that he was referring to the English because the content certainly wasn't). Nevertheless, the newer version was reverted, and with the magic that is co-operative editing, the English has been considerably cleaned up in a bit over a month. And to be scrupulously fair: even WTS himself has made some contribution. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

w:mr embassy page[edit]

Hi, Thank you for your message on w:mr. There indeed seems to be a filter on the embassy page that disallows non-Marathi twxt. Personally, I believe that is wrong but the community seems to have agreed to it. I will ask the Question again and try to remove the filter after a consensus. I will need a bit of time to do that, familiarize myself with filters, then remove it. I ask for a little patience in this matter.

In the meanwhile, please do not hesitate to post on my talk page there if you need to convey a message to the w:mr community.

Thank you.

अभय नातू (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Admin, 'crat

Marathi WikipediA

p.s. lol@picture caption

Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 04:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

IP request for help[edit]

I'm at a loss - if I email with EoRdE6's so-called fair use, am I making a legal threat? Would you take a look at User_talk:EoRdE6#Train_derailment and suggest a course of action? His position seems to be that he does not have to properly identify the copyright holder or inform them, and that by my informing them of "fair use" of their material, I have made a legal threat. He has warned me that I may be blocked. - (talk) 18:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Looking into this now. I should have some sort of advice and/or resolution for you later today. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to impose and thank you for taking the trouble. - (talk) 21:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
No trouble at all. I love helping people.
Here is how I advise handling this sort of issue:
  • First, post a polite note on the user's talk page. There is no need to get into an extended debate if he disagrees; you just want to make sure he was notified.
  • If that doesn't work, post a polite question on the article talk page. Again, no need for extended discussion if anyone disagrees; you just want the folks who edit the page to know that there might be a copyright issue.
  • If that doesn't work, post a polite question to Wikipedia:Copyright problems (for text) or Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files (for images, sounds, etc.). Then disengage and move on to other things, knowing that you did your part.
BTW, the legal threat accusation was just blowing smoke. Ignore it. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, if the Associated Press has no objection to use of their image File:Mount_Carbon_Derailment.jpg with The Columbian mis-listed as copyright owner, then the issue is moot. I feel step one has been done to the user's smoke blowing annoyance. EoRdE6 got notified. I would like to go directly to disengage and move on, but 2 is possible - I may post a polite question on the article talk page. As for 3, files that are tagged with a non-free template should not be listed at Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files according to that page, so since the argument is fair use, that's the wrong place to go. It was kind of you to respond. Thank you. - (talk) 01:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

m:Global user pages[edit]

Thought you might want to know about this, since I saw you were creating them by hand. (You can request at m:Synchbot to have the ones you created deleted). --Rschen7754 19:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I do know about the global settings, but I have been testing the various Wikipedias for bugs (because I am a high-functioning autistic, I find this sort of repetitive work to be very relaxing).
So far I have discovered:
  • has a filter that forbids non Marathi languages, and it stops post to the Embassy page -- the page that is supposed to be the place for users of English and other languages to get help. One of the admins is working with me on fixing this.
  • has an edit filter that thinks that is a harmful site. I haven't tried to get a local admin to resolve this yet, but it is on my list.
  • has a problem with LTR text. It puts the icon on the wrong end of https links but gets http links right., for example, has no such problem, so I need to talk to the developers and see if there is some sort of configuration issue or whether this is an actual bug that needs to be reported through bugzilla.
--Guy Macon (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
There are no admins on - maybe try asking at m:SRM to see if someone who knows more about abusefilters knows more about what to do? --Rschen7754 20:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I posted there and the problem was quickly fixed. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 06:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


Can you please put this talk page section under your own name, or a different IP ? As mentioned before i'm no spammer and didn't vandalise anything. The fact I do such a bad job in trying to hide it (and make everything worse rather than better) probably makes this obvious too. If you want me blocked, then that's fine too. I won't be adding new texts at wikipedia. I'm just overcautious and don't sleep well knowing this section is signed by my ip; so please put it under a different one. If you agree, that's the last you'll see of me. 2A02:A03F:126D:A800:213:20FF:FE3B:A79E (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

If you want to delete your own contributions (including any that you put a fake signature on), go right ahead. That is allowed. Doing that will remove your signature as well. Do not attempt to delete anything anyone else posted at the same time, like you did the least few times. Deleting other people's contributions is not allowed. You might want to put "deleting my comment per discussion with Guy Macon" in the edit summary. That way if anyone objects they will come to me and I will set them straight. Remember, you can only delete your own posts. Not anything anyone else wrote.
As for faking signatures, no. I would be violating Wikipedia's rules if I did such a thing. Everything on Wikipedia is subject to the license listed at the bottom of the edit window:
"By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution."
The signature is the attribution, and it would violate both the CC BY-SA and the GFDL license to falsely attribute any contribution to someone else.
Finally, if you ever decide to stop breaking the rules, you will be welcome here. If you register a username, nobody will be able to see your IP address. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
The Tor Talk page has been protected now, so can't be altered by contributors without a username, but I guess that if Blueraspberry agrees to remove his comments (so the section doesn't stand out that much anymore) -I asked him directly, so he'll be the one removing it if he agrees, not me-, and together with my https ip adress, it will probably be safe enough. I don't mind the text being in there, as long as it's done anonomyously. Next time I'll definitely log in using a username; I didn't mind the tracebility -so wikipedians could see what articles I modified-. The reason instead why I didn't make a username and log in was because I thought a https ip was more anonymous/secure (well, at least if I didn't screw up the way I did). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:126D:A800:213:20FF:FE3B:A79E (talk) 14:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


Guy, you and I have been accused of being sockpuppets of each other, along with (I assume) Andy Dingley, here - note the edit summary. This requires action, but I am not sure how and where. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it requires a thorough ignoring. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
It's annoying, but probably not in itself actionable beyond a warning. For the record, Guy Macon is my full legal name and I am listed at the Wikimedia Identification noticeboard,[7] so I am a particularly unwise choice as a target for false accusations of sockpuppetry.
I have, of course, been looking for a position as a Minion. I have a lot of experience as a Henchman and am looking to move up. If you know of any Evil Overlords or Criminal Masterminds who are hiring, let me know. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
<G> DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


EMTVSS seen as SPAM? Not sure why, but I am adding a new, very important technology to Wiki and Guy Macon claims it is spam, while another, Wtshymanski says it is snake oil. Instead of simply deleting what may be the most important discovery about electrical circuits of the 21st century, I ask that you work with me to make it acceptable to all. The science behind EMTVSS is sound, and it has been in use for over a decade. it is insulting for someone with no experience with the device or expertise in electro magnetic physics to simply dismiss this. NASA, the US NAVY and the Dept of Homeland Security are taking this technology very seriously; is it too much to ask for you to take 5 minutes out and help instead of deleting? If not, I will simply take this to 3rd party arbitration and work with the best people to get this on Wiki. CharlieTrig (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Well and truly flogged to death at User talk:CharlieTrig. It turns out that there is a conflict of interest at play here too. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 18:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
As I advised CharlieTrig[8], per Per WP:TALKDONTREVERT and WP:BRD, he should open up a discussion at Talk:Surge protector. This is the mandatory first step in resolving any content dispute on Wikipedia. Any attempt to use Wikipedia Dispute Resolution will be rejected if there is no attempt to first discuss it on the article talk page. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Like-Minded Person[edit]

"Dreaming the same Impossible Dream"

The Like-Minded Persons' Club
For displaying here common sense and uncommon good taste by agreeing with me or saying something I would have said if only I'd had the presence of mind, I hereby bestow upon you Provisional Membership of the Like-Minded Persons' Club.

To qualify for Full Membership, simply continue to agree with me in all matters for at least the next 12 months.

(Disagreements are so vulgar, don't you think?)

Congratulations, Guy. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 07:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow. What an honor. I am sure to get that promotion from Henchman to Minion now! :) --Guy Macon (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)