User talk:Guy Macon/Archive 13

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You forgot Jackman

While you are building your timeline, don't forget the Jackman article, which is what I blocked TRM for.

Your timeline misses the final warning and that the block was over Jackman (who is indisputably alive) not Hoffman (where the BLP status is more tenuous).—Kww(talk) 18:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. I will add the Jackman edits abd all article talk page and user talk page edits edit within hours. --Guy Macon (talk)
Note that diffs 4 and 5 have the same id. Isa (talk) 20:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Not a problem. I always go to the actual history rather than using someone else's diffs. Working on it now while waiting for someone. --Guy Macon (talk)
The hair barrette engineer? Isa (talk) 20:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I specialize in the microcontrollers that make the toys talk and move. Think 5 to 10 cents for all of the electronics other than batteries, and production quantities of 100,000 per hour. The hair barrette has a specialized plastics engineer who says things like "if we use the pearlescent pink plastic I will have to thicken the clasp so it doesn't cold flow and fall off the head during shipping. Here are some samples of both versions." Then we need to decide whether to change the color of the hair, skin, or fabric because of our new choice of barrette color. So it really is an important decision even though my only real contribution was handing out copies of and starting a discussion about whether the females on the room should decide on the color. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Please tell me that last discussion was a joke. Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Nope. It's a completely accurate description of what it's like doing engineering for a major toy manufacturer. And it really is important; saving a penny off the cost of making a toy without impacting sales saves enough to buy a house in Malibu. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I wind up in the same kind of discussions all the time. It takes a lot of jet fuel to fly a pound of avionics around for the lifetime of a jet, which means it's worth a lot of engineering time to shave an ounce off of something.—Kww(talk) 00:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Reminds me of this: "We need you to draw seven red lines. All of them strictly perpendicular; some with green ink and some with transparent. Can you do that?" Isa (talk) 02:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

A block from sixteen years ago

Actually, "only" six years ago (and I agree, not a real precedent for anything). Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC) I don't think we're living in the decade you think we're living in :) Also, threaded replies are frowned on, and there's a 63.8% chance you're going to get yelled at by a clerk because of it. Although actually, probably not, because no one is going to read that whole thing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Copycat. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh God, you know you're slow when NYB beats you to the punch. And writes a shorter message too! --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Um... (Checks lame excuse file) Counting in Dalek years? I meant to type "~6 years"? My little brother was using my computer? Ah here it is. Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!! Come see the violence inherit in the system!!! --Guy Macon (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Just remember (though I often forget myself) that on the arbitration pages, inline is out-of-line. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Point well taken.
Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.
Ah, nice and slimy! Just the way I like self-trouts. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
And *I* still care! Proudest moment of my wikilife! Well, along with the time Bishzilla blocked FT2 and got herself admonished. Bishonen | talk 08:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC).

ANI comment

Your comment here concerns me.

Really? You really believe that I was the cause of this?

I'm extremely disappointed in that analysis of the situation. GregJackP Boomer! 20:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't believe that you are the cause of this. I think that Jytdog has been trying to pick a fight with you for a long time, that your responses to Jytdog haven't been perfect but neither are they over the top, that Kingofaces jumped in a started behaving the same way Jytdog was acting, and in particular dismissing the work you and others have done on legal articles, and that suddenly you and Kingofaces found yourselves in a nasty dispute in an area where he considers himself to be an expert. That last bit is only a small part of the overall problem, and by no means the start of it, but in my opinion it is where things really went off the rails.
So far the consensus at ANI seems to be that all three of you have been part of the problem. It seems to me that your contribution to the problem is a lot smaller, but I may be biased because I have a favorable view towards you. It isn't zero though, and the best thing to do at this point is to say something like "I got frustrated and did X, which I should not have done", repeating as needed. There is no shame in that,because we all lose our cool at times when faced with frustrating behavior by other editors. And again, I see your behavior as rather minor. That would free up ANI to deal with those who are taking a strong "I did nothing wrong, you need to punish the other fellow" stance. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up, it makes me feel a lot better. I did say on the thread that I had reacted poorly and was wrong, and will say so again if I need to do so. I appreciate your comments here. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 21:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Qualcomm Snapdragon

I noticed on WikiProject Cooperation, you said you were interested in engineering/technical articles, so I wanted to let you know about my COI work for the Qualcomm Snapdragon article here. I also pinged the engineering WikiProject, etc. CorporateM (Talk) 00:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I will have some free time to look at it this afternoon. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Guy Macon. If you have time, I was hoping you might revisit the page here. As mentioned there, the separate list article seems to have addressed Kvng's concerns and given that other editors already supported the replacement, I think we're ready now. Thanks for chiming in! A separate list article I think was a very on-target fix. CorporateM (Talk) 23:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
CorporateM, No problem. I will look into it tomorrow. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I have a couple others under discussion here and here if you have time to participate, but I don't mean to overwhelm you. Public Storage was originally written by someone in a legal dispute with the company and Invisalign is mostly done, but I'm trying to finish it up so that it will be GA ready. CorporateM (Talk) 21:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


Misplaced comment moved to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Edna Marie O'Dowd (2nd nomination). Please join the conversation there. Not Here. This is the wrong place to comment on an AfD. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

RfA for Liz

Sorry Guy, I reverted as it has been archived. CassiantoTalk 19:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I posted my !vote, noticed the yellow background, and went back to self-revert only to see that you beat me to the punch. Thanks for fixing my error. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
It's a feeling we have all experienced! Like sending a text message to the wrong person and then trying frantically to cancel it en route! Oh bugger, I've just told my boss I love him! CassiantoTalk 19:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
My wires also got crossed there for a second Face-grin.svg Guy, I mentioned in my message that there's a late support thread in the RFA's talk page, perhaps that's the place to comment instead. Not sure if the 'crats will take those into consideration. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 19:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: "anti-gnome 'content creators get a free pass' cool-aid"

You might want to re-read that RfA's opposes more closely. No one proposed any such "free pass"; rather, actually being here to work on the encyclopedia, not just participate in its subculture, is one among many important criteria a lot of editors want to see from admin candidates. A:B → B:A is not valid logic. Not passing someone because they're missing one criterion does not equate to passing anyone who does fulfill it, since there are other criteria. And many of the editors with such a criterion in mind are WP:GNOMEs. While I did see a few people expect to see some FAs, that doesn't appear to be a majority viewpoint, and my own comment there made it clear that I accept, indeed encourage, gnoming as valid content-editing experience; even GregJackP agreed with that. Habitually wading into talkpage and noticeboard fights that don't concern you isn't gnoming, it's drama-mongering.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  22:56, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, quit doing that. I can't take it! If you continue to post stuff that I agree with, my whole self-image will be shot. Oh, wait...
Seriously, what Stanton said is right. I prefer to see an FA or two GAs, but there are always other ways to show content creation ability, and what content creation does is show a knowledge of policy, ability to work with others (at least on articles), etc. I know that admins don't need to be able to create content, but they have to be able to understand and support content creators, and to keep the riff-raff away. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 23:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
LOL.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  00:29, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


I just saw your "1AM" essay, and I liked it very much. Thanks for writing it! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  • @Tryptofish: - didn't he do a great job with that? I've used it a number of times since I first saw it. GregJackP Boomer! 23:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Agreed! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
I really appreciate that. Usually it's those who don't like what you are doing who make a point of letting you know about it and I brace myself when I see the "you have a new message" notice. You really made my day. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Generally agreed, too. It's a helpful summary.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  00:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment

An editor has asked for a discussion on the deprecation of Template:English variant notice. Since you've had some involvement with the English variant notice template, you might want to participate in the discussion if you have not already done so.Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Greek statue from 110 BCE of a girl showing her mom a laptop computer

Greek statue from 110 BCE of a girl showing her mom a laptop computer

--Guy Macon (talk) 09:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

A pet for your girl: Mexican ceramic skateboarding dog from A.D. 450-650

Skateboarding dog, Mexico, A.D. 450-650

Bishonen | talk 10:11, 14 August 2015 (UTC).

Wow. I bet Britannica doesn't have an article on skateboarding dogs... --Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Why are you reverting?

The two users who are reverting my edits on Ghulam Ahmed Pervez are removing counter-arguments to their points of view which are cited. This is against NPOV. The "differing opinions" section I created highlights both sides of the issue, they want it deleted, even though it contains citations and sourced material. They also claim my edits are "promotional" (referring to the major ideas section) when that is not true. e.g. Go to Max Weber's page and there you will find his ideas sourced from his own work. How is this any different? I'm reverting your edit. If you don't agree, please state your case on the talk page or contribute your opinion to the escalation on the administration page where the escalation is currently posted on this issue. Thanks. Code16 (talk) 16:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

That's not how Wikipedia works. You made an edit, your edit was reverted, and according to our rules which are clearly explained at WP:BRD, WP:TALKDONTREVERT, and WP:EW, the article stays in its previous state while the two of you discuss the issue on the article talk page. If you continue to edit war, you are likely to have your editing privileges revoked. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!!

Barnstar Typo Team.png The Typo Team Barnstar
Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you for your WP:FIX work. At least I'm not the only 'crazy' one, haha!

(as for content disputes, why do you think I stick to it!) Sct72 (talk) 17:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Medical advice

This is an example of medical advice posted on Wikipedia. If you are injured or otherwise in pain, magnet therapy is worthless and will do nothing other lightening your wallet. Please read our medical disclaimer if you think it is a good idea to follow medical advice posted by an engineer, even one who knows a lot about magnets.

For those who believe that we are not allowed to post medical advice on Wikipedia, feel free to attempt to force me to remove the above medical advice. No such rule exists. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey Guy! Since you were objecting to removal of your own comment, I assume that when you removed the hat [1] you did not intend to remove Medeis' comment as well. Sjö has kindly restored what you accidentally deleted, so you may want to drop a short line after his comment thanking him for that, as otherwise it appears as if you are engaging in tit for tat. Cheers! -- ToE 12:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

E-Cat at DRN

Possibly it has slipped your memory, but you probably shouldn't be volunteering to moderate this discussion, per the notice at the top of the page: " Volunteers who have had past dealings with the article, subject matter... must not act as a volunteer on that dispute". You have previously made significant posts at Talk:Energy Catalyzer, [2] which would seem to rule out acting as a moderator. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I have no idea why when I did the same search you did nothing came up, and I hadc totally forgotten making those edits. See my comment at DRN. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

You have a thankless job...

And I'm here to say THANK YOU! Your time and effort is appreciated by those of us who have experienced thankless jobs. Atsme📞📧 01:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That means a lot to me. Who knows, maybe they will double my pay from $0 to $0... :) --Guy Macon (talk) 13:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Not to be contrare but doubling your pay would actually increase it to $00.00 --Atsme📞📧 14:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


I have withdrawn from the DRN discussions, for reasons explained there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Truth barnstar

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For creating a second truth for all the ages: Wikipedia policy on the question is clear—it depends. VQuakr (talk) 02:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

In passing...

Based on past interactions, I have no problem with you at all. I am sure we have disagreed on things but they are probably things on which reasonable people may disagree. Guy (Help!) 08:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey! This is the internet!! No being reasonable allowed. Now get back in there and call me a bedwetting pedophile Nazi! :) --Guy Macon (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
It can't be helped Guy, Guy shops at Wal-Mart. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 08:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Me? I did shop at Wal-Mart on occasion, I got asked for ID buying beer (I am 50 ferchrissakes). I should have tried buying something harmless like a gun, I guess. But we don't have Wal-Mart over this side of the pond, they own a different brand (where I don't shop). Guy (Help!) 09:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
First Guy: Is your name not Guy?[3]
Roxy: No, it's Roxy.
Second Guy: That's going to cause a little confusion.
Third Guy: Mind if we call you 'Guy' to keep it clear?
--Guy Macon (talk) 09:21, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I happen to know Guy, that Guy shops at Asda. -Guy the dog™ (Resonate) 10:02, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Not me, guv. However, as Guy no doubt knows, we live in the world of Cheers: every barman knows our name. "Hey, Guy, what can I get you?" Guy (Help!) 11:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
We need Guy Heilman. I'd mix him a fruity drink at the bar, put a couple of chopsticks in it and say, "Have a hickory daquiri, Doc !!" -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 13:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


I have mentioned you in a discussion on the Wikipedia talk:Dispute resolution noticeboard: [4] You may wish to respond. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Guy, I think there is a typo leading to confusion in your last contribution. You say I suggest ... AndyTheGrump referred to WP:ANI .... Did you mean to write 'refer to', or 'be referred to' as both make sense but the meanings are very different? (update: AtG seems to have assumed you meant the former though even there the wording might be clearer, e.g. 'refer the issue to'). Brian Josephson (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting this. Brian Josephson (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Guy - I'm a bit confused over the purpose of being IP exempt? Does it apply to editors who have a user account, and then possibly edits from a smart phone or iPad that tends to sign one out automatically after a certain length of time, and then if the user posts a comment not knowing their signed-out, it goes through anyway under an IP address? That has happened to me more than once using the iPad, and I don't quite understand the consequences or why it matters. I noticed yours says IP exempt. Just wondering... Atsme📞📧 13:53, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

What you describe happens whether or not you are IP exempt -- it is the normal behavior of Wikipedia when you are not blocked in any way.
The IP exempt user right only makes a difference when Wikipedia has hard blocked the IP address you are using. If that happens, you cannot edit when not logged in (as an IP address) and you cannot edit when logged in either. (Soft IP blocks are different; they allow you to edit when logged in). You would know it if this happened to you (very unlikely) because you would get a big red warning notice saying that you cannot edit.
In my case, I sometimes edit Wikipedia when on business trips to China, and when I take those trips I access the Internet using the Tails (operating system) and the Tor (anonymity network). I do this because it is very likely that my Internet connection is being monitored by industrial spies and by the Chinese government. When you access Wikipedia through Tor, you can read but not edit -- all Tor connections are hard blocked. The IP exempt user right allows me to bypass the hardblock while logged in.
BTW, if anyone reading this thinks this might be a useful thing for vandalizing or sockpuppeting, IP exempt users get a lot of extra scrutiny. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Guy. I'm a neophyte when it comes to such things and what all IP usage entails, and speaking of entails, I recently learned how to cook a mean lobster. 😆 The closest I've ever been to the technical aspects of the internet was back in 2003 when I first met Charles Herzfeld and his lovely wife. They were my home-away-from-home neighbors in the same complex/same island for 12 years but our visits were few and far between. I'm still trying to figure out how to properly identify socks and surmised that it's all pretty much guess-work based on patterns. I have a pretty good grasp of meat puppetry. Think I'll stick with copyediting and focusing on articles I feel most comfortable editing and leave the other to the experts. Atsme📞📧 20:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)