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Sales updates[edit]

Hi, I have a question. Why has the 160 million records by Janet been deleted when it was confirmed by Billboard? When editing, it says 'To ensure the highest level of fact checking and editorial control, this list sources sales figures to news organizations and highly regarded music industry related organizations such as MTV, VH1, Billboard and Rolling Stone.' And one more question. When are the sales by Lady Gaga and Katy Perry going to be updated? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrunzPOP (talkcontribs) 03:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

The List of best-selling music artists uses the sales claims that are actually closest to artists' available certified sales. This is stated at the end of the list's lead Note that this list uses claimed figures that are closest to artists' available certified units. Inflated claimed figures that meet the required certified units amount but are unrealistically high, are not used.. In the case of Janet Jackson whose certified sales are only 51 million, the 100 million claimed figures are the ones we should use. As for Katy Perry, we are currently waiting for higher claimed figures to be published by reliable sources. Lady Gaga's claimed figure doesn't yet need updating as her certified units are some 17 million units behind the listed claimed figure.--Harout72 (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Spice album certifications[edit]

Why others albums like Westlife (album) no have problem with Philippines, Malaysia, Hungary, Taiwan or Indonesia level-certifications???

Coolcoolmen16 (talk)

If there are no sources supporting the certification-levels, they should never be used. The album Let Go (Avril Lavigne album) that you are pointing out, should not have the certifications of those countries because the earliest certification levels we have for Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and Indonesia are for 2005 which are posted at RIAJ Yearbook (see page 23). As for Hungary, we only have the certification levels for domestic releases, which are different from the levels for international repertoire.--Harout72 (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Gaga's certi doc[edit]

Hi Harout, can you link me to your document for Gaga's certifications? Would love to cross-check some data. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, here it is.--Harout72 (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


Chart Peaks in Alexandra Stan discography[edit]

Hi Harout, Im User:Cartoon network freak. Can you please explane me, why the italian chart peaks on the songs Lemonade, Cliche Hush Hush and All My People are catalogate as wrong? The Peaks are right in the Wiki-articles about the songs.

Italy's No.22 position posted at Cliche (Hush Hush) isn't in the source provided. In fact, the same goes to Italy's No. 22 posted at Lemonade, and No.46 posted at All My People. All chart peaks must be verifiable, so readers can check them.--Harout72 (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Peaks in Alexandra Stan discography[edit]

Hi Harout! May you can replace some rows like Canada or Australia, where Stan has only peaks for Mr. Saxobeat, with Countries like Romania or Japan, where her songs often peak? Merry Christmas! Cartoon Network Freak!:-) 09:53, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

I removed Canada and instead added Japan which has more peaks and it's also a much bigger music market. But Romania's peaks should be left out for now as they are not easily verifiable. Merry Christmas.--Harout72 (talk) 14:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Հայերեն Վիքիպեդիա[edit]

Բարև :) Մի հարց կարելի ա? Ինձ նենց հետաքրքիրա խի հայերեն Վիքիպեդիայում ակտիվ չեք? :) Էնտեղ ձեր նման մասնակիցների կարիք շատ կա~ ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.130.23.242 (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Մի գուցե ապագայում կմասնակցեմ, բայց հիմա ունեցածս ժամանակը միայն այստեղ կարող եմ տրամադրել.--Harout72 (talk) 17:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Cartoon network freak[edit]

Is Soc Forta an official single by Alexandra Stan, so I could include it on her discography? I've seen it on iTunes:-) User:Cartoon network freak 22:25, 02 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if it's an official single, you can include it in the singles table. But please provide the source for it right next to the song, so it is verifiable. Is that a non-album single? I can't see it here.--Harout72 (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

"With" vs "featuring"[edit]

What's the difference? 80.111.184.146 (talk) 02:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

You should ask yourself that question instead of edit warring. The cover clearly states "Featuring".--Harout72 (talk) 02:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Harout72, the 3RR complaint has been closed with a warning to you. If you continue to revert while making no effort to get a talk page consensus you may be blocked. EdJohnston (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
@EdJohnston:, I'm curious, I the IP reverts without making any effort to discuss on the talk page, are you going to take the same action as you would against me?--Harout72 (talk) 01:33, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm suggesting that you begin the discussion, if you continue to believe that only 'featuring' is correct. If the IP continues to revert without joining the discussion then you may have a point. EdJohnston (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Ramazzotti[edit]

Sorry! source for his 60 million records is http://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/musica/2013/10/26/news/eros_ramazzotti_felicit_riconoscere_a_cinquant_anni_la_terra_promessa-69499126/

second part of text in the middle. :) --8Sirlo6 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Japan Billboard hot 100[edit]

I've found some chart peaks on Allmusic.com (direct link here) for the singles Cliche (Hush Hush) and All My People by Romanian recording artist Alexandra Stan in the Japan Billboard Hot 100. I really don't know if these peaks are right. Cliche (Hush Hush)'s peak there is #11. Maybe she won because of this a award on the 27th Japan Gold Disc Award in 2013. Can U Help Me! If the link to allmusic will not load, go to the homepage, search Alexandra Stan and click Awards.:-) --Cartoon network freak 9:49, 08 February 2015 (UTC)

I replaced the previous source with allmusic and added all the peaks that were not listed.--Harout72 (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Taylor Swift Records Claim[edit]

Hey, sorry for bothering you in your talk page... I just wondered if you saw my update at Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists#140_Million_records_claim. Neither you nor Indian:BIO answered. What do you think? You can answer there if you would like.
Thank you, דיידרים (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, yes I took a look at it, it really doesn't change anything honestly. We'll just have to wait for a better source.--Harout72 (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
You've put an extreme amount of effort in gathering data, and even answering my questions. This award is long overdue for you in my opinion. Bobtinin (talk) 04:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that.--Harout72 (talk) 05:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Video chart peaks[edit]

Hi Harout, as UK's OCC has updated their database with all the charts accessible (including the video chart which started in 1994 and which is why the 1st 2 albums released earlier have lower peaks), so would you think it's OK to add the chart peaks in the video albums column (with each peak referenced of course).

I included the chart peaks in the US, which are correct but atm I don't have the links or files to reference them, so US can be added later on. Thanks! Uncleangelo (talk) 18:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's OK to add Video chart peaks as long as they are sourced.--Harout72 (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Uncleangelo (talk) 18:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:List of best-selling music artists[edit]

Is it possible to condense the talk headers? They take up over two screens worth of space on my decent-size laptop. —George8211 / T 22:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid the bottom two boxes should not be condensed as they contain important information about the way the list is operated. The rest are already condensed, I'm not sure if they can be condensed further.--Harout72 (talk) 22:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I'm just worried that no-one'll read any of it because it's so long. —George8211 / T 22:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I know, it's a little long but the information posted on there seems to have minimized the unnecessary number of questions that were being asked before.--Harout72 (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok it doesn't sound like there's anything we can do. It reminds me of when {{Archives}} had a merge nomination, which seriously impacted WT:USRD. —George8211 / T 22:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Justin Timberlake & Ricky Martin[edit]

Hi Harout! Since I know you're keeping archives of artists' certified sales, do you happen to have of those two? Can you tell me how much certified sales they have and with how much in non-certified can they be listed? Thank you. — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I have Ricky Martin's certified sales only, his total available certified sales are 28.6 million. Since he's begun charting in 1991, for the List of best-selling music artists he needs 48% certified sales for his claims. With the 28.6 million certified units, he could be listed with 59.6 million claim, but our list starts at 75 million. I haven't gone over Timberlake's certified sales, but I would if there already are claimed figures that are 75 million or over.--Harout72 (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

FourFiveSeconds[edit]

"FourFiveSeconds" was released in January 2015, thus your count for the Italian "platinum" certification in the list is wrong. — Tom(T2ME) 16:55, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

You're right about the "FourFiveSeconds" having been released in January 2015, but until February 1, 2015, FIMI's certification levels were Gold=15,000, Platinum=30,000. All titles released after February 1, 2015 are certified for sales of Gold=25,000, Platinum=50,000. The Platinum for "FourFiveSeconds", would be 50,000 units only if FIMI applies the newer certification-levels to even titles that were released before February 1, 2015, but that's a rare practice by certifying agencies.--Harout72 (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

"Para Ti" Magazine[edit]

"Para Ti" Magazine is from the editorial "Argentine Televisa", Televisa is the most realiable sources in Latin America. For something logic, The 1997 edition is not complete full view, but the preview said in spanish: doble platino en la Argentina con 140.000 unidades. Is not easy found the sales from 80's or 90's albums from countries like Argentine in internet, that source said the exact sales. Hope you change again. Coolcoolmen16 (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Give Me Your Everything[edit]

Hello Harout!

Should this Alexandra Stan-related article be deleted or mergered into an another article? I just can't find enough information for it, and it looks like a stub:-) °Cartoon network Freak° 10:46, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Since it's nothing notable, it should be deleted.--Harout72 (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Platinum award for Get Back (ASAP)[edit]

Hello Harout! Altough there isn't a certification listed on the FIMI website for Get Back (ASAP), I am 100% sure that the single was certified platinum in Italy for domestical sales exceeding 60.000 shipments. There are also too much articles on the web, that are telling about this victory. See for example this [1]

Thx a lot, °Cartoon network freak (talk)° 6:57 , 14 April (UTC)

Baltimora Redirect[edit]

Jimmy McShane was Baltimora, all of the persons listed on the album covers were session personnel.Citadel48 (talk) 01:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

McShane wasn't Baltimora, he was merely the frontman of the project. That doesn't make Baltimora, McShane.--Harout72 (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The album sleves present him as a solo project, as do the performances. Almost all foreign wikipedias with pages on Baltimora/Jimmy McShane refer too the act as a solo project, not a multi-person musical ensemble.Citadel48 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You need to familiarize yourself with Baltimora project. McShane was only one part of the act. There are others involved too.--Harout72 (talk) 01:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Of course there were others, but you may as well call Silver Pozzoli a band. Was he? no, because Silver Pozzoli was a solo musician that traveled and recorded with a ensemble. Unofficially, he was a "band", officially, he was a one man solo act. Same with Baltimora, I have researched Jimmy McShane and the supposed band extensively, and have found no evidence too support that they were a multi-person musical ensemble. Just because they played on the albums doesn't mean they were a band. There are no videos of all six men performing together, same with most one man solo acts such a CC Catch, who only had a in-studio ensemble, thus forcing her too perform with non studio personnel during performances. Dire Straits, an English band, always performed with the full band, as did many others. So why did not Baltimora? And besides, there is much too suggest Baltimora was simply McShane's stage name.Citadel48 (talk) 01:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Well, please try and find the sources that you believe prove it's a band, and I will gather my sources. Then I believe we should ask a neutral (not in terms of conflict, there is none, but in views) person too review them and see which is more reliable.Citadel48 (talk) 01:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC) My apologies on the undiscussed revisions. I carried them out as evidence suggests it was actually his stage name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citadel48 (talkcontribs) 02:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Citadel48 (talk) 02:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC) If it was just one front man, then why even have a band at all? The sources I have are much more detailed, and much more reliable than the ones you have provided. I have myself studied all of the members of the supposed "band", and they are all session musicians. There was no band.Citadel48 (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC) May I carry out the revision & re-direct?Citadel48 (talk) 02:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. You do not have my consensus.--Harout72 (talk) 02:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

May you define you're definition of the difference between project & band? Thank you.Citadel48 (talk) 03:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC) If you define project as a musical ensemble that doesn't perform together, why not include the 15+ backing vocalists, keyboardists, & guitarists on Baltimora's members list? Why not include the keyboardist, drummer, and backing vocalists on the list of members of Milli Vanilli? After all, they weren't even singing, yet they are called a "project." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citadel48 (talkcontribs) 03:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC) There is not one source referring too Baltimora as a project, but there are sources indicating it was a band (unreliable sources, record charts etc). Then there are sources stating it was a solo act, which are reliable (biographical information, personnel centered research). I myself have researched the members, as stated before, and almost none have been members of a band or project; they are all temporary session musicians. Just like Milli Vanilli, he likley wasn't singing, and this was likely just a façade, just like Den Harrow, Michael Bedford, etc.Citadel48 (talk) 03:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Billboard is not a reliable source, as it only documents chart positions & record sales. Everything you have said is either supported by a unreliable source, or is an assumption. In what position are you too judge it as a musical project without even posessing reliable sources or even a source at all?Citadel48 (talk) 03:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Billboard is as reliable as sources get. If you have doubts, post it at WP:RSN and ask the community's opinion rather than labeling one of the most reliable sources as unreliable. My explanations at your talk page are not based on assumptions, they're based on sources and common sense.--Harout72 (talk) 05:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

What type of common sense suggested too you that it was a musical project? What sources say it's a musical project? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citadel48 (talkcontribs) 06:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC) And how is some billboard "one of the most reliable sources"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citadel48 (talkcontribs) 06:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC) On Findagrave.com it states "McShane was a solo singer who recorded under the name of 'Baltimora.'" & in Nick Tavelski's book it denotes that Baltimora wa shis stage name, not a group name. The sources you have stating it's a group are unreliable.Citadel48 (talk) 06:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC) So you finally admit they are studio musicians "Studio musicians are not part of the main team"?Citadel48 (talk) 21:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

First, you need to learn how to separate your conversations from each other when leaving repeated futile messages on people's talk pages. Right now, all your messages are connected to each other, it's a complete mess. Also you need to read what people are saying to you, instead of typing only what you want to say. That said, had you carefully read everything I said to you, you'd know that I never even once discussed anything about studio musicians.--Harout72 (talk) 21:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You are the one with incorrect assumptions, you assume they weren't members, you have no sources saying they weren't just like you have none saying it's a project, and neither do have musical accreditation or proper expertise. I have sources, such as: [2][3]

You're providing me a scan of the album which clearly states the names of the studio musicians, it doesn't say anything about those names being part of the main team, you can again ask WP:Third opinion. The only names that should be included are the names of the producer and the lyricist, we currently have those two. And wikipedia cannot be used as a source to prove anything, read that up.--Harout72 (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I reverted you're edit as it itself was incorrect, it was supposed to list certifications of all countries, not just Canada. You cannot just choose things because you feel like; you do so if you have Reliable sources.

And don't you threaten me, you yourself lack adequate sources.

Listen, first sign your posts, second, I suggest that you start paying attention to what sources say. That said, where do you see that this source which you have reverted to says anything about Living in the Background having gone Platinum or even sold one million copies of the album. The source talks about the single "Tarzan Boy".--Harout72 (talk) 03:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion[edit]

I suggest you read up on Wikipedia:IAR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citadel48 (talkcontribs) 20:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

And I suggest that you stop disrupting the wikipedia. Or I will report you at WP:ANI.--Harout72 (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

You are the one disrupting, as you lack sources for you're claim that Baltimora was a project.Citadel48 (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Your edits for redirecting Baltimora to Jimmy McShane aren't being reverted because it's a project, they are being reverted because sources clearly state it's a band, therefore, it should not be joined with McShane's page. Other editors have also commented and disagreed with. So with all that said, yes you are disrupting.--Harout72 (talk) 21:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

You said it was a project.Citadel48 (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

I didn't say it's a project, I said it might help you to view Baltimora as a project, I said it's a band. That still doesn't justify your repeated attempts of redirecting the page to Jimmy McShane, especially when others pointed out that it's band too and should remain separate, as it is now.--Harout72 (talk) 21:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Then why was it's lineup changed so often? Give me at least one band with over 4 members that is represented in it's videos, performances, & record sleeves by it's "frontman."Citadel48 (talk) 03:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

Hi. Why did you revert the edition? That is the right order! --Jbaranao (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, now I see, you were right! I am sorry. It's confusing that the default order of the list is by claimed. I was looking at the order of the table itself, assuming it is by certified. Sorry --Jbaranao (talk) 15:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

French chart position for Eros Ramazzotti's "Perfetto"[edit]

For the French albums chart one could say there is three different sources, all giving different results.

On Syndicat National de l'Edition Phonographique (SNEP) website there are two charts, one that lists all album sales - both physical and digital sales - as well as one that only lists the physical sales. On the combined chart "Perfetto" is at number 12, on physical only sales chart it is at number 15. For some reason the charts on SNEP website leave out the compilation albums which were some years ago added to the main chart. The charts published on the Pure Charts/Charts In France-website however have the compilation albums included on the chart, and that chart is listed as the "Classement officiel des ventes d'albums en France" (Official chart of album sales in France). It's compiled by GFK Music for SNEP and is the official chart. The "Pure Charts by Charts in France"-website is published in cooperation with Société des auteurs, compositeurs et éditeurs de musique (SACEM) and SNEP, which makes one wonder why SNEP have different charts on their website which only differs by their chart missing all the various artists-compilations. The charts on Les Charts-website uses the official albums charts, i.e. the one published on the Charts In France-website, as does Billboard and other that publish the charts. On that chart Ramazzotti's "Perfetto" debuts this week at #16, which should be the one used in the discography here.

Kai81 (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

OK I'll take your word for it.--Harout72 (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand's album sales and record sales[edit]

The same news agencies had been publishing 140 million albums for Barbra ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/6276710/The-way-she-was-Barbra-Streisands-personal-items-up-for-auction.html ) "Streisand has sold more than 140 million albums worldwide during her singing caree",if you used 145 million record fo Barbra,it means she only sold 5 million sales for singles? It's inpossible,Barbra sold at least 15 million in US alone(for 60s and 70s, Gold or P cer for 1 million or 2 million sales),you shouldn't mix album sales and record sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skkywill (talkcontribs) 04:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Sources sometimes use the term Albums instead of Records, but they all mean to speak of overall records sales, not just albums sales. While lot of the sources in 2013 used the term Albums when speaking of Streisand's total sales, there were others that used the term Records including Times of Oman, The Times of Israel. Even the 240 million figure is sometimes published by some as Albums including The Washington Post. But they all talk about the overall total sales.--Harout72 (talk) 14:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Alexandra Stan discography[edit]

According to Hit Parade Italia, Stan has more Chart-peaks in Italy. Check this out: http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/search/index.html?cx=partner-pub-9635531430093553%3A8g6efyj9vxg&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Alexandra+Stan&sa=Cerca (Cartoon network freak) 15:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Certified sales[edit]

Hello Harout. I see you've been doing lots of maintenance on List of best-selling music artists and have documents of certified sales. Do you have documents for Demi Lovato and/or Katy Perry? It would be useful for their discography articles. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I have detailed certified sales for Katy Perry, here it is.--Harout72 (talk) 03:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)