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Oral history as references[edit]

Hi, Trying to get back into contributing to the wikipedia.

I'd like to add an article about Richie Riley, a Jamaican born dancer and community activist. He has a broadsheet obit but next to nothing published about him over a few brief lines. However, he has oral history interviews at Black Cultural Archives and the British Library. Unfortunately both have fairly brief catalogue descriptions. Is it possible to use the oral history interviews as references?

This page gives some guidance but I'm still not sure

Thanks for your help Eartha78 (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Eartha78

Hi, the place to check is Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources. According to the policy it is Ok to use primary sources provide you are careful about infroducing any interpretation that could be original research. Leutha (talk) 12:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Eartha78 (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Eartha78

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Hi. It was a real pleasure meeting you at the science conference. I'm sorry we didn't get to spend more time together. (I'm the Australian guy.) You mentioned you might point me to your paper on Neurath. I'd like to read it, if you'd still like to share it. Your summary when we first met, and a comment you made after one of the presentations, have piqued my interest. (Don't expect anything like informed criticism from me, though. I know next to nothing about 20th century philosophy.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 10:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC) Thank you, Tony, it was great to meet you. The paper will be ready in two weeks,it's my MSc dissertation. After that I will be sharing it. In fact it looks at Neurath in a broader context than philosophy, I kind of feel he got involved in philosophy because that was what was required for his conception of broader democratic access to knowledge, so don't worry about it being over philosophical. I am also doing work ready for when Neurath goes out of copyright in January,. Leutha (talk) 10:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Cool. I look forward to it. (There's a nice photo of you and Jacob talking in the lunch room on Commons.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 02:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Patrolled pages[edit]

Hi, Leutha! Hope you're OK. Two of our recent Wikipedia-and-food participants have asked me a question which amounts to "What does it mean when I get an email to say that my sandbox was patrolled? Is it threatening?" I didn't know -- I have been a Wikipedian since 2005 without ever knowing of this feature -- but by searching I found the MediaWiki page about patrolling, so now I think I understand what it is. We even have it on the Latin Vicipaedia. You live and learn. But, after having read the MediaWiki page, I still can't see why anyone would patrol a sandbox page (resulting in a disturbing email to the sandbox user). Can you perhaps understand it? Do you think it was, in essence, a mistake? Or does it happen to nearly everybody? I have user subpages too, but I never got an email about any of them ... Andrew Dalby 18:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree it does sound a bit menacing. Basically when people are still quite new, the pages get patrolled for vandalism. Most vandalism comes from new accounts, as the old accounts get blocked quite quickly. You haven't experienced this, I guess, because you already had plenty of edits when it was introduced a while ago. Even user subpages can be problematic if they are attack pages, so I suppose that's why they get patrolled as well.Leutha (talk) 22:01, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Of course, there can be attack pages lurking in userspace -- never thought of that angle. I'll pass the explanation on. Andrew Dalby 08:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Ways to improve Dieter Langewiesche[edit]

Hi, I'm Catmando999. Leutha, thanks for creating Dieter Langewiesche!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. I suggest that you reference sources.

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I have read your message on my talk page. I have removed the tag saying it was an advertisement. Catmando999 Check out his talk page! 09:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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The Last Supper (Crespi)[edit]

It's not an article, so why to write something?Xx236 (talk) 06:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Time is a great healer. Leutha (talk) 07:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Move from Sergei_Senkin to Draft:Sergei_Senkin[edit]

Hello Leutha,

I just wanted to inform you that I have moved your article from the mainspace to the Draft namespace from Sergei_Senkin to Draft:Sergei_Senkin. If you're wondering why I moved your article, please read WP:Verifiability or leave a note on my talk page, and I would be happy to address any questions, comments, or concerns you would have. Happy editing! Face-smile.svg --JustBerry (talk) 22:48, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


I was a bit miffed last night, but I'm over it now. I understand where the editor was coming from, but I feel that they were forcing their own ideas of how Wikipedia should run rather than considering that other editors work in different ways. A 24 hour wait before enforcing moved etc, is not too much to ask and it doesn't damage the encyclopedia. I hope your experience wasn't too damaging, but sometimes you just need to put things down to experience and move on. Happy editing FruitMonkey (talk) 22:24, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

It also looks like other editor took up our baton and s/he has decided to no longer move to draft, so that's a result. Thanks for the update to the Plebs' League article too. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:37, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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East London meet up Nov 23 2015[edit]

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Hi Leutha,

I am based in East London and look forward to meeting you at the meet-up in Canary Wharf on November 23rd! I am new to Wikipedia and so look forward to tips on what can be done and how?

kind regards Armond Dean (talk) 15:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Leutha,

Of course, I mean the meeting at Canary Wharf on Tuesday 24th November.

How will the Wikipedias recognise each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Armond Dean (talkcontribs) 15:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Semi detached[edit]

I strayed over to Semi-detached- culled a bit and started to look for references. That was easy- but how do I play it has everything and the whole text is tagged as CC BY 3.0. It is almost the article we need. It is fully referenced to our standards. I have never come across that before. Does that allow me to cut and paste- how do I credit it- how do I fight off the plagiarism bots. Have you any advice on this?

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This is confirmed for the 13th. They are promoting it in the next few days and say they already have a lot of interest. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks for that. I can confirm I shall be there as well! Leutha (talk) 13:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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I've started that Notability for Beginners page I was talking about[edit]

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London/Hitchin meetups[edit]

Hi Leutha. It was good to meet you at the recent London meetup and thanks for bringing the banner - which I'll put to good use next week. You mentioned some possible contacts with connections to Hitchin (the college, a makers club(?), and a Wiki UK person?). If you get a chance to give them a reminder about the Hitchin meetup that would be good. I've also emailed Hitchin Camera Club on the off chance that some of their members might be interested. Hope to see you in the near future at Hitchin or London. Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Leutha Thank you so much for your comment! Disheartening doesn't cover it, but your message has given me new hope! Every time I think I've cracked it and it normally comes back with unhelpful feedback about "tone of voice" or referencing. Your comment about circular referencing makes sense, I wish I'd picked up on that sooner and will look at finding external references when I next get chance. Thank you! katefaxen Katefaxen (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC) Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

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Thank you for the session. It was a great experience! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meenakshiy (talkcontribs) 07:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Emelia Russell Gurney[edit]

I got into research on her by chance (Alfred Gurney, a lesser figure in fact, and he came via the Oxford Book of English Mystical Verse). I'm now not understanding why there hasn't been an academic biography of her.

The latest addition I found to make (there can be more) is the one about Octavia Hill and her 1898 speech: five people mentioned, only one being in the Victorian mainstream (William Shaen was a radical lawyer (in the ODNB), and Sydney John Cockerell was the father of Sydney Cockerell the well-known curator). Charles Matthews (talk) 19:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi - I think I've found the right link! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinetto (talkcontribs) 11:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Good idea[edit]

I made the African-American liberalism article out of your suggestion. Thank you. Informant16 26 March 2016


Hi Leutha, I was hoping you might be able to help me on an article. -- Marek.69 talk 23:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Leutha, I wondered if you had some time to help with History of South America, which I'm currently working on. -- Marek.69 talk 18:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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In your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Encyclopedism you mentioned "Hayek's critique of encyclopedism". Could you point me to what you mean? Is it specifically a critique of Neurath's encyclopedia and/or, say, logical positivism, or about encyclopedias generally? This is for my own interest. Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I may have found it. In Individualism and Economic Order there's this:

This second and altogether different strand of thought, also known as individualism, is represented mainly by French and other Continental writers-a fact due, I believe, to the dominant role which Cartesian rationalism plays in its composition. The outstanding representatives of this tradition are the Encyclopedists, Rousseau, and the physiocrats; and, for reasons we shall presently consider, this rationalistic individualism always tends to develop into the opposite of individualism, namely, socialism or collectivism. It is because only the first kind of individualism is consistent that I claim for it the name of true individualism, while the second kind must probably be regarded as a source of modern socialism as important as the properly collectivist theories.

So Diderot and company and their individualism-cum-socialism that's expressed through the Encyclopedie rather than encyclopedism or encyclopedists (lowercase e) in general? (The string "encycl" doesn't look to appear again in Individualism..). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Actually I was also thinking of Hayek's The Counter-Revolution of Science, the second part "The Counter-Revolution of Science". The focus is on Saint Simon, but he does touch on Neurath. Leutha (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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You created article Lucille Spann[edit]

There is not much to report on the musician, and there is already some information on the Otis Spann page. I respectfully believe it should not remain a standalone article. Thank you! RES2773 (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. She did not just exist in the shadow of her husband.Leutha (talk) 23:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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data magic[edit]

Module talk:Sandbox/RexxS/WdRefs Leutha (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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@Leutha: Stinglehammer and TheTrabiMechanic want to set up Wikipedia courses in the coming academic term but do not have the relevant rights to create a course page via the extension. This page tells me that only admins can grant such rights, and I'm wondering whether you can help. All the best, --Flycatchr 17:01, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I no longer have co-ordinator privileges, which is what is needed. Please see this: Wikipedia:Education noticeboard.Leutha (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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  • I've got this covered. A biography of Barbara Stanwyck indicates that Tiger Jack went on to be a leading man – John Payne (actor). Andrew D. (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)