User talk:Hebrides

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Thanks for the welcome. I'll try to do my bit. Hope I don't make too many mitsakes. ;-) Hebrides 17:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)



Hi there, Hebrides! Take a look at Popov, it'll surprise you even more :). When I create disambigs for people, I use dufferent encyclopedias to make sure these folks are notable, that's all. Good luck! KNewman 12:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


You changed Hommage to Homage in Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen. I have reverted. The album is actually called Hommage. Please ensure that your valuable botting activities don't change it again. Thanks. Hebrides 09:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ta H. I've made note of it. Cheers, CmdrObot 22:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sid Vale Association[edit]

thanks for the contributions you made to my article


Hey I seemed to have got into misunderstandings with wetman - all I meant was for the article to look better it needed a reference. I had looked at it because the publsher - Periplus Editions was in Singapore 20 years ago doing guide books about Indonesia - and I was trying to work out what might be needed for an article on the publisher - but the link was to tuttle who must have taken them over! oh well strange things happen. SatuSuro 15:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Publishing company[edit]

It's because the publishing company is listed in Category:Historic preservation - which is predominantly about the historic preservation of buildings - perhaps there should be a new category for something like Category:Recorded music preservation? I can only apologise and remove the tag. kind regards--Mcginnly | Natter 15:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

TUSC token 9d01e76a2a0e58314e3e884269e16ce2[edit]

I am now owner of a TUSC account :)

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Thanks for catching graffiti[edit]

Thanks for punting those vandalized entries on the Ng page, made famous by Obama's half-sister. EJohn59 (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)EJohn59


On the Ulrik page you replaced {{given name}} with {{hndis}}. It states on the hndis documentation page "A page that lists all people with the given name "Jayson" should use {{given name}}." As this page doesnt have multiple people just called Ulrik, and only people with the given name Ulrik, then the given name template is surely the correct one? Tassedethe (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The "hndis" generates the text "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name" which is what the Ulrik page is. When I put "given name" on a page, it then gets tagged as uncategorised, but when I put "hndis" it doesn't. That's why I changed "given name" to "hndis". Is "personal name" the same as "given name"? Why does a page tagged "given name" get labelled as uncategorised? It's all rather confusing... -- Hebrides (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I think 2 things are occuring here. There was a major edit to the given name template in January which I think has broken the categorization of given names. I am asking the editor to look at their edits. Also I think the hndis message is ambiguous, which is unfortunate for a disambiguation template! "Given name" seems unambiguous (synonymous with Christian name), "Surname" is unambiguous (synonymous with family name), but hndis should really refer to "full name". When it says "associated with the same personal name" that could mean "given name" (as you have thought) or "full name" (which is what I think is meant). "Full name" makes sense in the context of "given name" and "surname". If hndis also meant "given name" then there would be no need to have 2 separate templates. I think a wider discussion to clarify the hndis template is needed. Tassedethe (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I started a discussion on the hndis page . Tassedethe (talk) 06:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone has fixed the template {{given name}} so you should be able to add it to appropriate pages and get the correct category. There is more info on name disambiguation pages at MOS:DABNAME. Thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


Hello, you have a new message at Talk:Sasagawa--gordonrox24 (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


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That Bot[edit]

Hi, I previously blocked that bot for a few hours because I did not understand what positive contributions it is making. I see that you have raised more concerns on its Talk Page. Could you provide a few diffs so I can re-assess the situation? Graham. Graham Colm Talk 20:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, I have checked the diffs myself and I have blocked this bot indefinitely. In my view it is deleting valid links. The owner's response to my initial enquiry was not very helpful. Graham. Graham Colm Talk 20:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Graham. I was getting more than a little frustrated after spending hours creating pages and carefully searching for interwiki links by hand, only to have them zapped by a bot. At last, a bit of peace. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome, I am still learning this admin stuff—I prefer to write about viruses—but I think I have made the right call in this case. Best wishes, Graham.Graham Colm Talk 21:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for this diff. I was beginning to feel like I was holding one lone candle... in the growing darkness of a very windy night... my flickering flame threatening to flutter out. My own arrival on Wikipedia was inside the heart of a raging storm, so I can feel a newcomer's angst. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

My feelings were similar when you appeared on the scene. I find your approach so refreshing and reassuring. Some editors seem to expect a new article to spring forth fully formed, referenced, conforming to every policy, with impeccable grammar, structure, spelling, expressed succinctly and displaying no point of view, bias or conflict of interest. However, I'm of the opinion that the great strength of a wiki is that it allows collaborative authoring, so that the germ of an idea can be worked up co-operatively, pooling everyone's skills to produce something outstanding. Unfortunately, some editors' skills seem limited to deleting stubs as soon as they appear, confounding this creative process. It's particularly unfortunate when the contributor is new to Wikipedia, and when the reasons for deletion are not totally rational. -- Hebrides (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. My own motto is "I'd rather fix the damn pipe than complain about having wet feet." Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

About Coronatus[edit]

Hi, I'm relatively new to wikipedia. I'm not 100% sure about the year of Coronatus' formation. So if you did kind of a translation to the German article, it must be more reliable. Thank you. Meanwhile, I'll try to search for reliable third-party sources. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiki (talkcontribs) 18:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I won't hesitate to ask you questions if I have. Once again, thank you. Cookiki (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why explore space[edit]

Dear Hebrides, you're good at putting compilation page, such as Fahmi. Can you help put together a page with this title. If you do a Wiki search, you'll find referencing these 3 words in Edward Ng, Norman Horowitz, International Space Station, etc. So you can list these links, at least, and probably a few more. There is also a famous speech by Hawking in external link, Please help create such page, and I'll add to it. I know if I create, it'll suffer speedy deletion. Thanks. --Joan kingston (talk) 15:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

Joan, that's an interesting idea, but leaves me wondering why. Have you read the articles that Wikipedia already has? For example, Space advocacy, Space exploration, Space colonization, Space and survival, and many others linked from those, seem to provide a very comprehensive treatment of why we should explore space. I haven't quite understood why you think Wikipedia needs another article, or what's missing from the ones it already has. Hebrides (talk) 20:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I probably inadvertently misled you away from what was intended in my mind. Citing your page Fahmi as example, I was hoping for a page without prose, only a list of Wiki and external links, almost like a bunch of redirects, to guide users to the basic arguments for and against Space. This was prompted by a recent question on TV when the Hubble repair team broadcasted to schools. For students they’d use common language like “Why space”, instead of terms like advocacy and strategy. But even looking at the various pages you cited, it's hard to find the top 5 reasons for and top 5 against Space. When I searched, as a typical student would, with those 3 words, I did not get to tha pages you cited. Instead, I got to a bunch of apples, oranges and lemons. Also, when I heard of that famous speech by Hawking, I could not find it in WP. There was supposed to be another famous speech by Neil Tyson but hard to find. So the main intent of this “referencing page” is to lead students toward other WP links that may guide them for easier search. Hope this makes more sense.--Joan kingston (talk) 16:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Joan_k
I see. I'm not sure whether Wikipedia has a place for pages like this. It isn't a disambiguation page, or one of the "List of ..." pages. Please point me to other wikipedia pages similar to what you have in mind. I don't recall seeing any pages that simplify topics to the extent that they just give the top 5 reasons for and against something. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, what I envisioned would have been a page of annotated redirects somewhat similar in style to hawker, and Dyson, but of course different in contents. Here a student would find names of people, organizations or ideas for and against space. However, a second look into this topic among the WP pages finds it not feasible because the links seem to be mostly on the pros side leaving the cons side begging for info. I'd hope to hear some notable quote such as, "Why send all the money to Mars when we have so many problems on Planet Earth?" It's disappointing because I expect Wiki to be that bastion in neutrality. So much for an afternoon idea! Hope I didn’t waste too much of your time, but your opinion is valued.--Joan kingston (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

PS to previous msg -- Just for the heck of it, I searched WP with the 3 words "Why Iraq War", and the first 20 results are so meaningful, that would make a good page of annotated redirects. But of course the non sequiter is that if a simple search would give the desired results, who needs a separate page?--Joan kingston (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Joan_k

I think we may have come to a conclusion on this one - that a suitable search can often produce you a screenful of links of the type you are envisaging. And if you think Wikipedia is biased, the great strength of the wiki idea is that you can help to rebalance it by writing the missing articles – from a neutral point of view, of course ;-) Hebrides (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Neil deGrasse Tyson page[edit]

Dear WP Admin, I see you just went into some clean up of this page. I've been frustrated by one thing, which you may be able to help. This page has by far the most numbers of refs & citations, and yet some person kept tagging it as not enough. If one looks at the 4 external refs, one can write a beautiful life story of Tyson. But I don't understand what the hack he/she wants. I can put those refs linked to every paragraph, because the vitae given describe his entire life but multi-links would be silly. Can you give some advice. Tyson is the modern Sagan, very famous in the US. If some day his people are mad enough to withdraw his entry from WP, it's your loss, not his. Please advise. --EJohn59 (talk) 03:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)EJohn (perplexed)

Hello and thanks for your message. I'm not a "WP Admin" (but flattered to be addressed as such!), but just a humble editor; but I've had a good look at the page, and also spent some time formatting some of the references better.
These "improve" type banners have a standard wording, which does not always exactly address the problem. It seems in this case that the emphasis should be on the bit that says, "by adding reliable sources". There is a lot of information at Wikipedia:Reliable sources about the kind of reliable source that Wikipedia aims for. So it's not the quantity of citations that is being questioned here, but their quality, and how much of the factual information in the article is covered by them.
In a case like this, I don't think for a minute that anyone is questioning Neil deGrasse Tyson's notability, or proposing deleting the page. But it would be better to back up the facts about him by citing reliable third-party sources than by citing material published by him or by organisations he is associated with.
Let's take a ridiculous imaginary example. Suppose, for example, I wanted to write an article about somebody who was chairman of the International Underwater Knitting Association (IUKA). I could probably find lots of information about him on the IUKA website and on his own website, find his videos on Youtube, his contributions to wikis, forums, personal networking sites, etc, etc. What's more, I might have written a thesis on underwater knitting, and I could cite that. But these would be of little use from Wikipedia's point of view. What would rescue the article would be a reference to substantial articles in, for example, the London Times, the Washington Post, the BBC, a well-known university text book, etc. There's more detail about all of this on Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources.
So my conclusions on looking at the Neil deGrasse Tyson article were that it doesn't need more references, but that the emphasis needs to be on the high quality references - at the moment the Time and New York Times references are not very noticeable. I would be tempted to remove some of the references to his own website, and to Youtube videos, and to aim for a higher density of what Wikipedia calls "reliable third-party sources". A few reliable sources that together support most of the factual material in the article would be much better.
Note, by the way, that "reliable" is used here in a technical sense - there is no question as to whether what this man writes about himself is true or whether you can rely on it - but Wikipedia aspires to achieving a more rigorous level of reliability than you get simply by believing what people write or say about themselves, or what their friends say about them.
Hope that makes some sense. Best regards and thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia. Hebrides (talk) 07:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed explanation. I’m impressed that you have been going around cleaning up a great variety of pages, thus prompting my question to you. OK, I understand the need for 3rd party sources, and I tip my hat to your highlighting those from Time, NY Times and Space Foundation. The misleading aspect of the tag was to ask for adding more, as if 25 were not enough. But there is still one grey area puzzle that you may be able to enlighten. When we look at pages of typical professors, we rely heavily on their institutions’ official CV as primary sources. After all, those are probably most complete and current. We readers typically place the trust in the notability of the institutions, such as Oxford and Harvard. If the institution were some unknown, then we have great reservations. In some sense Oxford and Harvard have passed many public scrutinizing and rigorous tests. I suspect that we may need to tag most professors if we don’t trust their institutional web pages. Does this rule of thumb apply in this case, that is, in the US, Hayden is known as the Harvard of Planetariums. Of course, that transfers the burden to the Hayden page.
But meanwhile, let me dig up a few more 3rd party sources, such as Discovery, PBS, Cosmos, IAF,...--EJohn59 (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)EJohn

Do given name pages dont need a disamb tag?[edit]

Hi Hebrides, Do the given name pages that you're creating not need a {{disamb}} tag to be added since they have the given names tag? Thanks Lilaac (talk) 20:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me :)
The answer is No, they don't. Basically, MOS:DABNAME makes it clear: I quote:
"Pages only listing persons with a certain given name or surname (unless they are very frequently referred to by that name alone) are not disambiguation pages, and this Manual of Style does not apply to them. In such cases, do not use {{disambig}} or {{hndis}}, but {{given name}} or {{surname}} instead."
Discussions on this have been long and convoluted, and give rise to differences between different language wikipedias. If you're interested there's a recent discussion at MediaWiki talk:Disambiguationspage#Re-add_.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D. Cheers - Hebrides (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
THanks for the letting me know, I was adding disamb tags behind you like a dumbo, let me go undo them :-( ... Lilaac (talk) 20:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL :) I'd no idea I was being followed. It is confusing and I made all sorts of mistakes putting the wrong tag on when I first started making this type of page - and people kindly corrected me. Hebrides (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Orphan tags on {{surname}} pages[edit]

This conversation was previously alternately here and on User talk:Postcard Cathy; it has been interleaved to make it into a readable discussion, and the subsequent comments from NSH001 have been included. It starts with a comment from me to Postcard Cathy that I placed on her talk page...

Hi, I'm confused. You've been putting orphan tags on pages marked with the {{surname}} tag - see Adolfas, Adamou, Blignaut and Dobrovský.

The {{surname}} tag produces text which says, "If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change that link to point directly to the intended article." The orphan tage produces text which says, "Please introduce links to this page from other articles related to it." It seems strange to have both appearing on the same article.

Historically, {{surname}} pages have never been tagged as orphans - it just doesn't make any sense to do so. Something seems to have gone awry in the classification of these pages, stemming from the fact that English Wikipedia (unlike all other languages) does not technically classify {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages as disambiguation pages.

How should we tackle this to prevent the many hundreds of {{surname}} and {{given name}} pages being given a totally inappropriate orphan tag? Hebrides (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not an expert on either orphans or names. The only thing I can think of, other than contacting someone who knows more than I do on orphans, is to make certain pages disamb articles. Some articles on names are simply disamb articles. Others are more specific, giving things like origins of the name and other historical/factual info. All I know is that as is, they keep popping up as orphaned pages needing tags. If I don't tag them, a bot will. So it is stupid to revert my edits. If there is some sort of forum where you can ask people who know more about orphans, I suggest posting it there. Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the strange thing - bots simply don't tag these pages as orphans. What's more, I just tried AWB on the pages - it's very good at checking out orphans and adding the orphan tag - but it doesn't tag these pages. I've created hundreds of {{surname}} pages, and you're the only editor as far as I can remember who has ever put an orphan tag on them. -- Hebrides (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You are talking to the wrong person. I really don't know what to tell you. I just know there is a bot that categorizes them as orphaned articles needing orphan tags. Go to Both Lonelypages and Untagged Orphans are finding them and putting them on their lists. Please discuss it with them. All I know is that they are showing up as meeting the criteria for orphan tags. And as I said in my orphan summaries, as long as they show up there, I will tag them as orphans. How to NOT get them listed as needing a tag is something I know nothing about.Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your link to, which I've checked out. I then read the talk page for that article, and found that it clearly states that adding orphan tags to surname pages is pointless. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Orphan#Surname_pages, which then links to a further discussion. In view of this, would you like to remove those orphan tags you inserted, or would you like me to do it? Sorry about this - it's always a bit discouraging when you find that some work you've done has to be undone - but hey that's life! Btw I had a look at your "user contributions" and you do soooo much brilliant hard work for WP - you put me to shame! Cheers (and admiration) -- Hebrides (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't meant to sound cranky or rude but I was so done with this a long time ago. As long as they appear on the lists of articles to be tagged, I will tag them because as I understand it, if I don't then a bot will. So do as you want. The issue as I see it is how not to be listed by those tools. Until the tools don't list them anymore, they will be tagged. Please don't follow up with me again on this topic (but feel free to talk with me on others! :P) since I feel I am repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating..... Postcard Cathy (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me quote from Wikipedia_talk:Orphan#Surname_pages:

Is there any point in surname pages being labelled "Orphan"? It just clutters the page unnecessarily. There are unlikely to be any useful links to such a page - it serves a role similar to a disambiguation page, and may or may not also have information about the surname as a word - and even in this function there are not likely to be links to it, though it will be valuable to people who use "Go" or "Search" in entering WP to find out about the name. For a recent example, see Abu Taleb, where an orphan tag has been added, removed, replaced. PamD (talk) 15:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Nope, I agree. Most surname pages are disambiguation pages & the orphan criteria doesn't apply. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I have now raised this issue at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Orphanage#.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D_pages and suggest that any further responses should go there - not so much "Forum-shopping" as an attempt to find the best place to discuss my concerns. PamD (talk) 08:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, they should be called set indices. -- œ 00:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I recommend you read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Orphanage#.7B.7Bsurname.7D.7D_pages as it makes clear that the orphan criteria will very soon be changed since surname pages are currently wrongly classified as orphans. It's going to change very soon. Don't waste your time tagging them. It will all have to be undone. BTW I actually thought you'd be pleased that I was saving you from wasting your time - please don't get irritated. -- Hebrides (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Cathy, the same applies to {{given name}} pages such as Chrissie. A moment's reflection shows that adding orphan tags to such pages is pointless. I suggest you ask for the toolserver script to be amended so that it doesn't flag surname and given name pages, since they are just variants of dab pages. Good luck -- NSH001 (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It isn't an issue for me but it seems to be an issue for you, Hebrides and others. I threw out talking to the toolserver editor for those of you that have an issue with it. It is a Mexican standoff. The rules say if it is on that list, it should be tagged. I am going to tag it. If you feel it shouldn't be tag, do what you feel you should do to make sure it doesn't end up on the list of articles to be tagged. Now, this really is my final time discussing this topic. I have repeated myself too many times. If you and anyone else don't want names to be tagged as orphans, do what YOU feel you need to do to make sure it doesn't end up on a list of articles to be tagged. Postcard Cathy (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Cathy, you say you're a member of Mensa on your user page, so this surely shouldn't be difficult for you to see. Surely I don't need to explain the obvious to you? The Chrissie article has been around for 8 months, and no bot has attempted to tag it in that period (not surprising, of course). The correct course of action is to suggest to the author of the toolserver script that he/she change it to exclude surname and given name pages (they can easily be identified by their categories). Please don't waste the time of other editors by making pointless changes. Thanks, and good luck again. --NSH001 (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

American Esperantist[edit]

I'm a bit confused as to why you removed the {{deadend}} tag from American Esperantist in this edit. You didn't introduce any blue links into the article, so it's still a deadend article. Care to enlighten me?--Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for spotting that. How strange. My fault. I was using AWB to step through a few hundred pages this morning; and I find AWB is usually very good at adding tags (for orphans, uncategorised, wikify, etc) when needed, and occasionally removing tags that are no longer needed. Obviously I didn't look carefully enough at its suggestion on this page, and I'm not sure why it suggested removing the deadend tag when adding an orphan tag. I must watch carefully for that in future, and make sure I check whether the link(s) on the page are redlinks (it's displayed in edit mode, so there's no visual clue when a link is red). I've repaired it, so it now has both a deadend and orphan tag. Sorry about that -- Hebrides (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem -- I just wanted to check that I hadn't lost my marbles. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


Unprotected at your request. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I just tried to create it. It's still protected, and won't let me create... Hebrides (talk) 13:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Try it again; haven't done one of these in a while. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes it worked this time. Thanks. Hebrides (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Helen Gloag[edit]

I gave the article a bit of expansion and some sourcing. If the nominator had followed even the least of WP:BEFORE, it would have never been tossed into AfD. If the intention was to force improvement, he misused the process. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

She's been saved. Improvements impressed the speedy closer. Nomination was by a banned user. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


Please consider (Orphan): There are two external links, in particular referring to two books, and I think this is might be enough of my contribution to the article Ausbuy. Greetings,--Fox1942 (talk) 12:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I looked at the history of the Ausbuy page, and must apologise for appearing to be doing battle over the orphan tag - which is not the case. When I use the wikibrowser called AWB, it suggests changes to a page, which I can either accept or reject - and I seem to have visited this Ausbuy page twice recently and each time it suggested an Orphan tag.
However, the orphan tag is in fact correct in this case. Orphan means that it does not have enough other wikipedia articles linking to it - too few articles mention Ausbuy with a link to the article. If you go to the Ausbuy page, click on "What links here" on the left, and you'll see it's just a handful of user pages - no proper articles link to it. This makes it an orphan.
To improve the page, it needs both incoming links and also links to other related pages on wikipedia. It also needs more inline references.
It also seems to repeat itself needlessly, and the later part is not written as an objective encyclopaedia article, but more like a persuasive advertisement written for Australians to read.
Hope that helps. -- Hebrides (talk) 14:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your kind help. Within the next few weeks I will try to improve the article in the sense you have adviced me. Greetings, --Fox1942 (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Good to have you on board :) Hebrides (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate very much your kind help to improve the article - I learnt a lot to write much more better articles in future in en.Wikipedia! Best Greetings from the Australian Tropics at the South Pacific.--Fox1942 (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I have implemented some aspects of moral suasion.--Fox1942 (talk) 12:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

You also deleted the orphan tag!? Articles are orphans if they don't have other articles linking to them – strictly it remains an orphan until it has three articles linking to it (and that doesn't include list pages, disambiguation pages, user pages, etc). If you view the Ausbuy page and then click "What links here" on the left, you'll see that it is still technically an orphan, so you ought to put the tag back. It needs some links to it from other pages, but I don't think any other WP articles refer to Ausbuy yet. -- Hebrides (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, sorry to delete the orphan tag, but then you might put the orphan tag back - I simply give up, because most likely this article hardly will meet the technical criteria of deleting an orphan tag. So it be. If you do not think this article is worth to be in Wikipedia, then we should consider to cancel it? Nevertheless I thank you for your kind help to "fix" this article. Best greetings from Australia, --Fox1942 (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I have put the orphan tag back. --Fox1942 (talk) 23:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I think we may be confusing two things here: whether an article should exist; and whether an article has room for improvement. Tags like {{orphan}}, {{wikify}}, {{Primarysources}}, {{Unreferenced}}, etc., are part of the normal development of an article. What happens is that these tags not only give a message on screen when you view the article, but also add the article to a list of articles that need a certain type of improvement. There are communities of wikipedia editors who specialise in certain types of editing. See, for example, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Orphanage – and the long list of dedicated "de-orphaners" further down the page. Also, readers of an article who may know it is related to other subject areas may see the orphan tag and it might prompt them to spend a few minutes creating links to the article from other articles they know. It's all part of the power of collaborative authoring… -- Hebrides (talk) 05:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that you may be thinking that the message "This article is an orphan, as few or no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from other articles related to it." is addressed to you in particular. It's not. It's actually a message to everybody. I sometimes tag articles I've worked on, as a way of inviting other people to do the bits I haven't managed to do. Hope that might help. -- Hebrides (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Now I understand much more the intention of an Orphan Tag. I appreciate very much your kind help and clarification! --Fox1942 (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

R. M. Engelhardt[edit]

You did some nice work there. I have myself done some deep searching and feel it is just a sliver on the wrong side of guideline notability. HOWEVER... his group Albany Poets does seem to tweak on the happy side of notability [1], and if there were on article on them, a few paragraphs about their founder would fit in quite nicely. I opined a userfication at the AfD based upon the search for the group and his appeal to an admin. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC).

Wow, you're fast![edit]

Do you ever sleep? ;-) Thanks for fixing that H S Seung article. By now you might have noticed my special affinity for Harvard & MIT, though I was not good enough to study there! While I have your attention, may I ask you to look at N C Yeh, and advise why hers is a stub, vs. non-stub for H S Seung? Just curious, no big deal. --EJohn59 (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)EJohn

I do sleep, but here in UK the sun rises and sets at the wrong times, so we have to sleep and wake at the wrong times too ;-)
I'm not an expert on "stubness", so I looked up the stub question on WP:STUB, which says, "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information." It also says, "There is no set size at which an article stops being a stub."
Based on that, I wouldn't regard either of these articles as a stub. What do you think? -- Hebrides (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your usual enlightening clarification. I'll alert Kgwu who created the Yeh article, if he wants to take away the stub status. Personally, I like that Einstein picture on the stub page, especially for a female scientist. --EJohn59 (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)EJohn

ATCvet code QI05[edit]

Hi Hebrides! Please do not unlink section headers in ATC code lists like ATCvet code QI05. This is the only convenient place in these lists to link to related articles. Thanks --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry – I was following MOS:HEAD. Where are exceptions documented? -- Hebrides (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Hebrides, I think you're right -- the article in question looks to me to be pretty far off MOS. I'd suggest replacing the header link with a {{seealso}} template immediately below the header. -Pete (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this isn't documented anywhere, I was just following the practice of pages like ATC code C01. I agree that this doesn't conform with MOS; but before moving the links to {{seealso}}, I'd place the issue at WT:PHARM. There are about 100 pages like that, and we should keep things consistent. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 07:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


Hebrides, thanks for all your automated edits -- but you may want to reconsider some of them. I haven't looked through them in detail, so maybe this is just a one-time issue -- but this edit isn't really helpful, and if you're doing a lot like that, I'd say it's a bit counterproductive (cluttering edit histories with unneeded edits, setting a poor example for new users, etc.) There's no policy about whether category tags should go above or below stub tags; When you find an order you disagree with, the best thing to do is leave it as-is. -Pete (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Pete, for pointing that out. A few of my edits are like that. Sometimes for a bit of relaxation I fire up AWB, load in 100 pages at random, then run through them, checking that AWB isn't suggesting anything ridiculous or wrong before I approve the suggested changes. I must admit that I don't always calculate the benefits of a suggested change against the cluttering aspect you highlighted; many suggested changes are applying MOS aspects that I haven't studied in detail. However, I do often press the Ignore button when the suggested edit simply re-orders the tags with no effect on the appearance of the page, and I'll try to make a point of doing that more rigorously.
Incidentally, I notice that a recent update to AWB started putting DEFAULTSORT tags onto pages with lowercase words in the title, like this – I guess from this that the sorting algorithm on Category pages is case sensitive, though I haven't investigated. These edits seem to be creating a lot of clutter, and I've had some of them reverted (probably by editors who didn't notice the uppercase letter). I'd value your opinion as to whether these are worthwhile or not.
Thanks for getting in touch. -- Hebrides (talk) 07:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I really don't think the occasional edit like the one mentioned above is a big deal, just thought I'd point it out in case you were on some campaign to do thousands of 'em :) As for DEFAULTSORT, I can't really imagine where it would be helpful outside of proper names -- if AWB is smart enough to distinguish humans with Western-ish names, that seems like a useful feature. But as for what you're describing, I'm not sure what the purpose could possibly be...but, I'm not really an expert on that stuff, maybe there's something I'm unaware of? -Pete (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Special Barnstar[edit]

SpecialBarnstar.png The Special Barnstar
for your kind message at User talk:Quentinwllcs. GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
My first ever barnstar! Thanks – that's very special – you really made my day :))) -- Hebrides (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you were very kind to Quentin — kinder than I have been. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the article. I did not have the energy to do it myself. Eventually it will have to be rewritten to include information from the newspaper stories. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, Quentin — or Kenny, as his real name is — has apparently been banned for using sockpuppets. I feel sorry for him, but his edits were not helpful. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Averda dead end no longer dead?[edit]

I tried to clean up Averda a little bit. I was wondering if you wanted to take a look and see if it is OK to remove the 'dead end' tag and uncategorizzed tag &c. Thank you Decora (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You're right – you've done some good work on this article. I've removed the deadend and wikify tags (and added a couple of references) – but I left the orphan tag because there don't seem to be any articles that link to it. I also left the refimprove in view of the fact that {{citation-needed}} still occurs three times. Cheers -- Hebrides (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Esters[edit]

What issues do you have with this article? It seems good to me. --BwB (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello BWB, and thanks for your message, which has left me slightly puzzled. I've done a couple of edits to Alexander Esters: this one on 20 June, which just standardised a few capital letters ("Friday", "November", etc); and this one on July 1, which did some minor tidying, capital letters (again!), and changed a few spaces to non-breaking spaces. I wasn't aware that either of these edits implied that I had "issues" with the article. In fact, the article seems to be coming on quite well. Please explain… -- Hebrides (talk) 20:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Tireless contributor[edit]

Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
. . . for extraordinary work in creating articles! GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Move these barnstars to your User Page if you feel like it. Cheers! GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I add my applause to well-deserved accolade! You have been especially helpful to clumsy editors like me.--EJohn59 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)EJohn

re: Etienne Aigner[edit]

Thanks! Well, you're more than welcome to delete them as you see fit. I have no issues with that at all. I was hoping one of these days to do at least the Indonesian and Javanese versions, if not add to the German- but the "to do" lists just seem to pile up! As far as I know, only the German wiki version exists. You have caught me out bit here, I must admit I did cheat by.. err.. "borrowing" the Hugo Boss article and amending it as needed- as the two are surprisingly similar in many ways. Thanks, and amend away with my blessings!Starstylers (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Hebrides. I've just come across the recently created - and soon to be deleted! - category:Country. Having removed the sole category which had been wrongly placed there by its creator, it now only contains your sandbox. Somewhere in the text you must have [[Category:Country]] for some reason. I'd like to get the category speedily deleted but need it to be emptied first. Could you please check your page and remove the category (or if you need it as text only place a colon before it, thus - [[:Category:Country]] so it doesn't put your page in that category? Many thanks. Enaidmawr (talk) 23:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I've removed it. It was in an experimentation section that I copied from somewhere and was trying out. I usually remember to deactivate category lines (eg if I userify a page to work on it) to prevent a sandbox appearing in the category, but this one slipped through the net! Cheers -- Hebrides (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Didn't want to be cheeky and do it myself, even if I'd had the time to find it! Thanks again, Enaidmawr (talk) 18:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sfânta Elena[edit]

Hi Hebrides. Thanks a lot for your help there. I appreciate it. Have a nice day! --Vejvančický (talk) 21:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you, and to find out I've done something right! Keep up the good work. -- Hebrides (talk) 05:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
...a nice surprise in my watchlist! It's a rare phenomenon here on Wikipedia! Thanks again, Hebrides! :)) --Vejvančický (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

YHANK YOUUUU!!!![edit]

Henmor (talk) 09:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC) Thank you very match for helping me .... I added the references that you suggested!! if it's possible can you check it one more time.. I have searched more ref.. if i'll find i will ad more...and now how we can delete that request? can you do that? conflict of interest-i don't understand what can i do with this request  ??? :((( can you help please....Henmor (talk) 09:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Henmor (talk) 10:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC) I just wonted to thank you!!!!!

I replied on your talk page :) Hebrides (talk) 06:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for copy editing here[2]. I meant to calculate the "x years" but "several" does just as well. Best, DVD 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Easy mistake to make – I've done it at least x times myself. It's an interesting and well-written article – thanks for all your hard work on WP. Cheers, Hebrides (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


Oh, God, yes. Thank you for that. Dahn (talk) 21:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes are weird. When you read them yourself, the brain seems to have an autocorrect mechanism, and you read what you meant to write – that’s what makes collaborative writing on WP so potentially powerful :) Cheers – Hebrides (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Name pages[edit]

Hi, please note that articles about names are not disambiguation pages, so more than one link per line is permitted on them. See MOS:DABNAME which explains the difference.

If you are interested in articles about names, please join WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy! - Fayenatic (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Fayenatic, and thanks for dropping by. I just had a look at your userpage and I seem to have quite a bit in common with you :)
My reference to MOS in my Edit Summary was wrong – I must admit – thanks for pointing that out :) – English wikipedia is really peculiar – all the other language WPs that I edit classify pages that are lists of shared surnames or given names as disambiguation pages, but English WP has the {{surname}} and {{given name}} tags, which are not disambiguation pages but for many purposes are treated as such. Take, for example, the compromise that had to be reached in adding a section at the bottom of MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage because zealous bots were removing interwiki links between English name pages and non-English disambiguation pages. Then there was a really long discussion about name pages getting classified as orphans, resulting in this change in June this year.
Returning to the question under discussion, although my Edit Summary was factually wrong, I somehow have the feeling that this may be another area where pages that are simply bulleted lists of names can learn from the disambiguation rules – what I mean is that the reasoning behind sticking to one link per line on a disambiguation page is often valid reasoning when applied to surname or given name pages. Certainly I only put one link per line when I create them (I've created a few hundred), and I tend to stick to a disambiguation ‘look and feel’ because I think that the disambiguation format is tried and tested, clear, functional and well thought out.
Is there any good reason to allow multiple links per line on surname or given name pages?
Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, please excuse the delay in replying. If those bots have quit cutting links between English name pages and other disam/name pages, I'm very glad to hear it!
As for multiple links: name pages should be articles, not just lists. Good ones have information on the origin, history, distribution, popularity, variants etc. A disam page is an informatively-structured index, which has strict style rules, but a name article can be more flexible. If a person is listed with an unusual profession/specialism/etc, I might want to click directly on the link to that subject without having first to navigate to the article on the person. That's my 2p worth, anyway! Fayenatic (talk) 19:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
As far as I can see, some name pages are encyclopaedic articles about the name, others simply have the same indexing function as disambiguation pages, and there seems to be something of a continuum in between.
BTW, have you seen the excellent way they do name pages in Icelandic WP? I really like it. See, for example, is:Einar to see what I mean (or others in the category is:Flokkur:Íslensk karlmannsnöfn). Hebrides (talk) 09:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Ani Batikian[edit]

Good work! Well done. TeapotgeorgeTalk 21:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) Hebrides (talk) 21:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

A. M. Nair[edit]

Hi, Hebrides. A. M. Nair founded the restaurant in 1949. And now his son G. M. Nair is the master. The restaurant is very famous as authentic Indian food. Ok? See [3]--Bukubku (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. I've replaced the link with a little more explanatory text so that nobody else makes the same mistake as I did! Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your understanding. He also published his autobiography book in Japan.[4] And his son published book about curry.[5] They are famous.--Bukubku (talk) 08:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible vandalism on Einstein[edit]

Dear Hebrides, please take a look at Albert Einstein Medal. When my friend did a Google search and got to this page, she was shocked. It seems like the anonymous edit 2 revisions ago did the vandalism. I'd undo the last 2 edits, but one seemed to be done by a bot. So, I thought I'd better double check with an expert. Or should we report to an admin? --EJohn59 (talk) 03:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)EJ

Thanks to your friend for spotting this one. I reverted it. I’ve added this page to my watchlist so that I’ll know when it’s been changed, and can keep an eye on it. The bot edit that also got reverted in the process had just added back all the links to other language wikis that the vandal had removed. The anonymous vandal is the IP address of Manor Independent School District, Texas (see their talk page for all the warnings and blocking), and I've also just reverted their edit to Allen Brown. Cheers - Hebrides (talk) 05:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Einstein owes you one, for action at his relativistic speed!!--EJohn59 (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)EJ

Centennial, California[edit]

I don't understand what you did on the last two revisions. The explanation is written in a shorthand that is not familiar to me. . Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was using AWB to try to sort out the spacing around punctuation, which was somewhat inconsistent. I tried several regex search/replace pairs, like for example:
\s*([,])([^\s0-9+”<'_"\)\{])    →    $1 $2   (makes sure there’s a space after a comma and removes spaces before a comma)
Unfortunately, when AWB applies this to the whole page it just quotes the first specific instance in the edit summary (things like Replaced: ,T → , T (6)). What's more, the presence or absence of spaces or multiple-spaces isn't obvious in the edit summary, hence the rather confusing result.
I do check the changes very carefully before committing them, because there are some exceptions (like, for example, some URLs that have commas in them). But unfortunately the usual Wikipedia diff display doesn't highlight spaces that are inserted or deleted. After looking at the diff display I can understand why you were puzzled. Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I was going to ask this question regarding Buckeye, Arizona; thanks for the detailed explanation. Nyttend (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


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Hello, Hebrides. You have new messages at Irbisgreif's talk page.
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My pleasure. ---Irbisgreif-(talk | e-mail)-(contribs) 09:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Pedro II of Brazil early years and accession[edit]

Thank you for your help! --Lecen (talk) 12:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! That's what Wikipedia is all about. -- Hebrides (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Kenton, Portland, Oregon[edit]

Hiya. I thought I would point out that you tried to move their statue. It's a little heavy, I think, to take across state lines. Do be sure to check for context when wikilinking. Cheers! Katr67 17:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for spotting that and carrying it back for me. Concentration must have lapsed a little :( Cheers! -- Hebrides (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Jiří Hudec (disambiguation)[edit]

Hello, just to let you know that this page has been nominated for deletion using Template:db-disambig. If you have any questions about this, please contact me. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 19:22, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. However, by the time I had logged in, the page had disappeared. Speedy indeed! No chance for me to say whether it was "work in progress" or whatever. Was it actually an orphan as the tag says? -- Hebrides (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on "Polywell"[edit]

Thanks for your work on "Polywell"  :) KitemanSA (talk) 14:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. -- Hebrides (talk) 12:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


Do they exist? Steinbach (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL! -- Hebrides (talk) 12:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
That means not, I presume? :p Too bad, I am a musicology student and I would have loved to order some... Steinbach (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Seeming vandalism[edit]

Dear Hebrides, with your usual perspicacious quick wit, perhaps you can uncover what's going on in Aerospace. Look at the several suspicious language choices. It's suspect. EJ--EJohn59 (talk) 04:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting… Doing a comparison of 23 October 2009 with today's version shows most changes have been reverted. All that survived is addition of a mention of MacDonald Dettwiler and of BAE Systems, and the removal of eo:Aerokosma flugadiko – which I have replaced. The reverted changes seem to be variants on commercial interests, spam links and purposeless vandalism. Did you have any hypotheses in mind? -- Hebrides (talk) 12:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm more intrigued with the language pane. Suspect that someone vandalized by taking out the French, German, Chinese and Japanese versions, and put in the less popular languages, one of which is totally bogus. Absence of those other major languages is too surprising. EJ--EJohn59 (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


Dear Hebrides, thanks for correcting my new article Lappenberg. If you have time, please correct my article Upended Sugarloaf, too. English is not my mother tongue. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

This is what I like about Wikipedia – we can work together, correct each other's mistakes, work in harmony – that's the way it should be. I know how you feel – I'm always very relieved when I write something on French or German wikipedia, and some kind editor goes through and corrects all my language errors! Best wishes -- Hebrides (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Upended Sugarloaf[edit]

Thanks for correcting so quickly. There are many sights in Hildesheim, but few articles in English. I intend to write and to translate some more and I'll ask you to correct them. We don't have many tourists from the English speaking world and I hope to attract some more by publishing more articles with photos. Thanks in anticipation,--Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll be happy to do that. Hildesheim looks to be a very attractive city. Let me know when you have translated any pages and I'll check them. This will be interesting. Regards, --Hebrides (talk) 22:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Historic Market Place, Hildesheim[edit]

Dear Hebrides, I have just finished a new article on the Historic Market Place, Hildesheim Please correct it if you have time. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Really good article, and a beautiful place: you make me want to visit Hildesheim! I have made a few small changes, nothing major. Your English is very good. -- Hebrides (talk) 22:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. If you managed to visit my city I would be pleased to show and to explain you all the places. Now I am working on an article on the Butchers' Guild Hall. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 12:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Marienburg Castle (Hildesheim)[edit]

Dear Hebrides, I wrote an article on a castle in Hildesheim and on the Butchers' Guild Hall, Hildesheim. Please correct them if you have time. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I've done that – just a few small changes. This is another fascinating article. Thank you for all your hard work. Regards, -- Hebrides (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

MOS for dates of birth - death[edit]

You recently changed the Anketell (disambiguation) page to remove spaces in the years of birth and death, and you reference the WP:MOS. However, I looked at the referenced page, and I do not see any such directive. Would you please enlighten me further? Thanks in advance. Raymondwinn (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Raymondwinn, and thanks for getting in touch.
I was basing my formatting on MOS:DOB – that’s the section entitled Dates of birth and death. The bullet-point examples in there show three examples (bullets 2, 8 and 9) where a range contains just the two years, and in those cases it omits any spaces around the n-dash. The section after that, called Other date ranges, indicates that the MOS:DOB patterns should be followed for all date ranges, not just birth to death.
I also find that the well-established tool AWB always suggests reformatting year ranges into this standard format – for example, it suggests changing (1974 - 1996) into (1974–1996).
I have no strong opinions either way – I just like the formatting to be consistent. So when I find a formatting recommendation in the MOS I generally try to follow it as far as possible.
Thanks for your work on Wikipedia, and best wishes, -- Hebrides (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Steuerwald Castle, Hildesheim[edit]

Dear Hebrides, I have just finished a new article on another castle in Hildesheim. Some sentences are similar to the text of Marienburg Castle, as the architecture and history are very similar. Regards, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Another excellent article. I just made a few small changes. Your articles read well, they are logically structured, and the good range of photographs really makes the descriptions come alive. Thank you. -- Hebrides (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Wireless broadband[edit]

Thanks for the fixes to my new article. You might want to look at this article too.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's it for me today.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Glad to help :) --Hebrides (talk) 20:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Do you just do those nbsp fixes, or do you look at content as well? I have added to one of those articles you fixed.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes I do some serious content editing; sometimes I create a few new pages; other times I'm tired after a day at work, and just do a bit of gentle search-and-replace editing. It also depends whether the subject is something I'm into. I did a quick search/replace scan through some pages you've been working on, but there was not much to change. As for content, your articles aren't really my area of expertise, so I'll leave that to subject-matter experts :) — Hebrides (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I'm no expert beyond reading the articles, and I'm not really good enough with the information to do much. I split some content and I'm not really sure what to leave in each place, but one article was getting too wordy.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 13:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Élisabeth Thérèse de Lorraine[edit]

Hey, saw you sorted out some of my mistakes on Élisabeth Thérèse's article! Thank you very much lol i dont always see everything! Would you do it again as I just added some more info! Merci, Monsieur le Duc LouisPhilippeCharles (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. I looked again, but only found one thing to amend. --Hebrides (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

susana walton[edit]

thanks so much! It was impossible to change it for me. regards--DEDB (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

lady walton[edit]

I met her briefly once and she was an amazing character, full of life, you are right: she deserve to be in wikipedia. thanks for your kindness--DEDB (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


great!--DEDB (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Since you seem to be a stalker ... ;)[edit]

I noticed a lot of articles I edit lately have your contribution to making certain information fit some format which I don't really understand. Since I don't know anything about that stuff, it would be nice if you continued watching my contributions anyway and fixing those details.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wilderness Air[edit]

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Lady Walton[edit]

I must admit that Wikipedia does not have a set of guidance on the naming conventions for articles of wives of British knights and baronets, but as she was commonly referred to as “Lady Walton” (see the obituaries in the Telegraph[6] and the Times[7]), I don’t see why the name of the article should refer her as the less known “Susana Walton”. Since there is not a clear guidance to follow, I believe it is appropriate, as it is the case of Augusta, Lady Gregory (whose husband’s article is named as William Henry Gregory), Jane, Lady Roberts (whose husband's article name is Hugh Roberts) and Victoria, Lady Welby and etc.--Clithering (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


If you look at the last couple of edits to that article, someone removed those nbsp additions that you've been putting in a bunch of articles I've edited. Also, I've been corrected about the proper capitalization/CamelCase/iPod with mHz.

Do these need fixing? Thanks.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I left him a message and he responded below, so I have nbsped them again. — Hebrides (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Non-breaking spaces...[edit]

4G — No, my bad. Please revert those back as needed. Jimthing (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

William Traylor (actor)[edit]

Hey thanks for cleaning up my errors. I've done wiki pages for towns, schools, etc but Traylor is my first attempt at an actor, so I'm bound to make a few formatting screw-ups til I get the hang of it. Its still a work in progress, but I appreciate the help. Sector001 (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thanks for your appreciation. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 05:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


You created Ypthima, of coarse there isn't a problem with that. But just out of curiosity: Did you create it because you saw my page? Co-incidentally I created the "to do" section on my user-page just yesterday. And at then it was a red link, (but obviously now it isn't). So did you make it because you saw it on my page? And even if you did or didn't know, I've got a link to all the Ypthima species (309 i think it is) in-case you wanted to know. but I assume most of them don't have articles.

Anyway, thanks for creating the page for me. --JamesDouch (talk) 06:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. It was just a strange coincidence! I didn't see your page. I just took the word Ypthima and searched for WP pages with it in the title.
I wondered if you might like to look at List_of_butterflies_of_India_(Satyrinae)#Ypthima_-_The_Rings and possibly update that with any others of the 309 that are appropriate. — Hebrides (talk) 10:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Well I'm not sure if I could get the right species in the Indian list, I don't think the page says where they live and I don't know if they live in India or not. So I think it would be pretty difficult.
I realized Ypthima, is only a disambig. page. What needs to be done is create a the actual article for the genus, where is lists all the species. I can do that because for the genus page I don't need to know where they live. Even that will take a while, 309 species is pretty large for just 1 genus. So what I plan to do is create the article under the title of "Ypthima (genus)" and then list that in the disambig. page you created. From there every link to "Ypthima" (assuming it's about the butterfly) will have to be changed to "Ypthima (genus)". Now I just need to do it. --JamesDouch (talk) 06:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

your edits at Pirmin Meier; question[edit]

Hello Hebrides

Thanks for cleaning up the redundancies in the Wiki links at Pirmin Meier. Among other things, I wasn't sure whether the umlauts would be recognized properly, so I was kind of trying to make sure the links would be working. Turns out I overcomplicated things. So, again, thanks.

(And while I'm not really sure why or if en dash characters are a better solution for displaying "from... to..." numbers – pages, years etc. –, I can certainly live with these changes.)

When will the New unreviewed article template be removed? I really looks ugly and is detracting. Would you be authorized to remove it?

Regards – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Done, somebody else removed it, so this paragraph is not needed any longer. Should I delete it, or does it stay for archival purposes? Regards – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello, nice to hear from you. As for dash styles, I was sticking to MOS:DOB as I don't have any particular feelings about n-dashes but it's more a matter of being consistent throughout WP. I have taken the liberty of editing your paragraph slightly so that it doesn't display the template, but I'll leave your text. Thanks for your work on this article. Regards -- Hebrides (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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About page Arthur Sarkissian[edit]

Dear Hebrides. I think you remember the page Arthur Sarkissian (artist) that you helped me to create and we decided to add that page without (artist) I checked that page and it's not blocked. can we also add a new page Arthur Sarkissian. sincerely Vahan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henmor (talkcontribs) 15:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Dear Vahan, Nice to hear from you again. I just tried to move the page to become "Arthur Sarkissian" but I got the error message: "You cannot move a page to this location, because the new title has been protected from creation". So there is protection in place to stop a page called Arthur Sarkissian being created. — Hebrides (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! and is there any possibility to unblock that page Arthur Sarkissian can I contact with blocker and ask him to unblock taht we can add... Sincerely Vahan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henmor (talkcontribs) 07:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have left a short message for one of the administrators who was originally involved, asking her to enable me to move the Arthur Sarkissian (artist) page to become Arthur Sarkissian. It seems a perfectly sensible thing to do. Leave it with me. I'll let you know when she replies. — Hebrides (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
The good news is that the page is now moved to Arthur Sarkissian. I have been through and edited all the links from other Wikipedia pages too. The bad news is that you seem to have been blocked for using more than one username. I have written to her about it. You can read the conversation at – she agrees with me. Let's give her a little time to see what she can do. — Hebrides (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

This bot broke a wikilink on 126th[edit]

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AfD nomination of Zenith Content Management System[edit]

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LOL! I just left Coren another message – that bot actually obliges the accused to visit a particular webpage it has found. I was actually quite dubious about the one it sent me to.
BTW I just read your userpage and totally agree with your “style guidelines”. It's also nice to meet someone else who enjoys contributing to articles on subjects they know nothing about. There's a great satisfaction in gathering, assessing and correlating information and then constructing a coherent little article, citing all the sources. — Hebrides (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

for your clean-up at Russ Savakus. I was surprised to discover that there was not even a stub on him, though a wikipedia search finds him all over the place. I need to follow up on that. Then the "No Source" folks showed up (it is interesting {opinion{) that wikipedia will not accept its self as a source) and I scrounged around and found something, and then you showed up and now it's legit. Life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I just put in 9 more links to the Russ Savakus page from other articles on WP. Can you find a copyright-free image to go on the page? I haven't found one yet. I also looked on other language wikipedias, but he doesn't seem to have a page anywhere else we can link to. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi. :) I've responded to your message at my talk page (User talk:Moonriddengirl#CorenSearchBot), but wanted to drop by to thank you for pitching in at Awaaz, here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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For your friendly and patient assistance with a user in need of assistance. Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm so glad to see you helping him out. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
That's really nice of you – thanks. — Hebrides (talk) 21:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Awaaz 1984[edit]

thanks for saying that you are happy with my contribution. but iam surprised that you have made some changes which are of no importance. why have u asked for clarification near mulochand?? my article i have alredy showed to administrator she was happy. Rajesh khanna is a superstar so please do not edit the word before his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 17:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

My concern[edit]

i have always been showing my artciles to Moonriddengirl -- she is an administartor. i wonder why and who is this Shshshsh who keeps changing the articles contributed by me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 17:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Awaaz 1984[edit]

His close friend Amit is an honest police inspector who brings many of the goons part of gang of smuggling head Mulchand Malhotra but they are let off by the court as using his skills and knowledge about the loopholes in law ,Jayant helps his client Mulchand in setting his workmen free from jail. Later Amit gets killed and this motivates Amit's brother Vijay to join the police force. Meanwhile Priya falls in love with Vijay and both decide to marry. But one day while going on a picnic Anu and Priya get into trouble as their car tyre gets punctured on a road near a jungle. There a drunkard who happens to be Mulchand's son rapes Anu and injures Priya. Unable to handle humiliation Anu commits suicide. Jayant now gets a clue that the death of his friend Amit was not accidental and that the rapist is a person known to Mulchand and his gang members. Jayant tries taking help of Mulchand and Meerchandani in finding the real culprits but realises that they are not responsive.

Jayant belives that as he has helped them in carrying on their activities by fighting their cases in court inspite of knwing what kind of henious crimes these Mulchand's gang members are doing . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 18:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Donot delete words,plots,cast - but improvise and ask doubts to me[edit]

Respond as to why are you making wrong changes to artciles.

i dont mind u asking me doubt s, but why dont u ask me doubts in my page. I would be happy if u improvise the article. But deleting word Superstar is just plain baised view.

Most of the films of Mr. Khanna are before 2000 and after 2000 only india became computer literate. so online resources about films and thier real fan following is very less. unless we write the right facts then how will the next generation come to know the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 18:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


thanks for correcting the spellings but please mention the words Superstar before the name Rajesh Khanna in the first scentence. i think you are cooperative. but a user named ssshhh has been deleting words suuperstar , and has been showing a baised attitude towars Khanna. Hence forth lets discuss with eachother , but without consulting me please dont make drastic edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 18:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Story of Awaaz 1984 which you can modify and paste but do justice to it[edit]

Advocate Jayant (Rajesh Khanna) a criminal lawyer believes that a lawyer's duty is to do service to his client alone and to bail him out of his trouble even if his client is in reality a criminal. His close friend Amit is an honest police inspector who brings many of the goons part of gang of smuggling head Mulchand Malhotra but they are let off by the court as using his skills and knowledge about the loopholes in law Jayant helps Mulchand in setting his workmen free from jail.Amit Gupta asks Jayant to be more responsible when he defends criminals, who are repeat offenders. Later Amit gets killed and this motivates Amit's brother Vijay to join the police force. Meanwhile Priya falls in love with Vijay and both decide to marry. But one day while going on a picnic Anu and Priya get into trouble as their car tyre gets punctured on a road near a jungle. There a drunkard who happens to be Mulchand's son rapes Anu and injures Priya. Unable to handle humiliation Anu commits suicide. Jayant also gets a clue that the death of his friend Amit was not accidental but was a delibrate attempt by some goons and that the rapist is a person known to Mulchand and his gang members. Jayant tries taking help of his clients Mulchand, Meerchandani in finding the real culprits but realises that they are not responsive. Jayant has vowed to find the assailants, but before he could attempt anything his daughter, Nandita, is kidnapped. The kidnappers want Jayant to represent Mulchand's son, and get him acquitted and he gets his client out on bail.What Jayant does not know that his client is the one who had raped his wife and sister, and when Jayant does find out - what can he possibly do - with his daughter still under the control of her kidnappers.The rest of the story is how he single handedly brings all of them to justice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 18:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it probably best if you tell the story in the article. I'm sure the plot is easier to understand for someone who has seen the film. — Hebrides (talk) 21:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Our colloboration[edit]

ya it seems shshshsh this user has a baised view about Rajesh Khanna so he deletes the word Supertar. then i dont know the same artciles are edited by you.

be in touch , do gimme suggestions, but as far as awaaz is concerned do edit the story as u said u got confused. also consult me if you have any doubts in future about any artcile contributed by me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talkcontribs) 19:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Balinese Hinduism[edit]

Hello Hebrides. I saw your contributions to the Hinduism in Indonesia page. I am currently working on a research paper for Graduate school that will be looking into Balinese Hinduism. Do you know of any good resrouces (books, online, whatever)? The only problem is that I can only read English! I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks! Jameslunderwood (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

Hello James, and thanks for your message. Actually the only thing I did on the Hinduism in Indonesia page was spelling, punctuation and expanding references, which I do on a very wide variety of pages. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know anything about Balinese Hinduism.
I just did a quick search, however, and came across a fair bit of background reading (some of it rather ancient) by doing a Google books search, choosing only entries that give full view – you might find some stuff of interest there. You'll have to pick and choose (but you will also accumulate an impressive list of cited references!)
You might also like to try a Google scholar search. (Forgive me if this is all familiar to you and you've tried it already).
And have you tried Copernic (the basic version is a free download from It submits a search term to lots of search engines, then correlates the results. I've used it for years and it finds things that Google doesn't find.
Hope that is some help. — Hebrides (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much Hebrides! I really appreciate the help. Thank you Jameslunderwood (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

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Audie Pitre[edit]

Hello. In June you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Another publisher that reuses Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 22:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Tetrahedron and WP:MOSMATH[edit]

I undid your recent change to Tetrahedron. The special characters for superscripts and fractions should not be used in math articles; see WP:MOSMATH. The main reason for this is that they have an inconsistent appearance to the formatting for other superscripts and fractions that do not have special characters. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me. That was something I wasn't aware of, but I'll watch out for it in future and make sure I don't do it again. — Hebrides (talk) 11:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Insertion of nbsp into article[edit]

Greetings Hebrides. I noticed that you edited an article I created, Hypselodoris gasconi (and several others), and inserted a non-breaking space, &nbsp, instead of the normal space that I inserted. Was that because browsers wont break (or wrap) a line of text at the point that a &nbsp is inserted? I am asking so that I can learn what the reason was to guide my future edits. You have a lot more edits than I so you probably have a much better idea of standard procedure. Cheers, Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 11:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. It is suggested in WP:NBSP that the non-breaking space should be used to prevent things like 4 mm or 25 kg or 2 am from being split over two lines. I replace them using the AutoWikiBrowser tool. I know it makes the text less readable when you're editing it, but it does help readability when people read the articles in whatever size of browser window they choose to use. Cheers, Hebrides (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks for your explanation. I will adopt this procedure too. Best Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 08:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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São Filipe, Cape Verde[edit]

Dear Hebrides, some months ago you corrected several articles on my home town Hildesheim which I had written in English. I spent wonderful holidays in Cabo Verde, a former Portuguese colony in Africa, where my Portuguese improved a lot. My English, however, did not. I added some information and photos to the English article on the historic city of São Filipe, Cape Verde, the place which I liked most. Please, correct the text if you have time. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Don S. Wenger[edit]

I think there's been a mistake with this edit. Changing "practiced" to "practised" is neither a minor edit nor a cleanup. I see on your user page that you prefer British English, which is the norm for British articles, but the American spelling "practiced" should be preferred here. I don't know if you are using AWB for other such changes, but please be careful to respect WP:ENGVAR and not change American articles to British spellings without consensus. -Phoenixrod (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised. I had no idea that Americans had different rules for practice/practise. Do you also have different rules for advice/advise and device/devise? What is the American spelling rule? Here in UK, the noun forms are advice/device/practice and the verbs are advise/devise/practise. Thanks for contacting me. I look forward to your reply. — Hebrides (talk) 05:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
There's certainly a consistent logic to the parallel cases you cite in the UK spelling. Advice/device/practice are the same noun forms here, too, and advise/devise are the verbs. But there is no "practise" in American spelling; it's always "practice" for all parts of speech. I'm sure it looks quite strange to you. I have no idea why it doesn't follow the pattern of advise/devise in the US, but that's language for you. -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Here's a throwaway thought: Maybe it has something to do with the pronunciations, since practice/practise ends with an "iss" sound rather than "eyes", so despite the spelling similarity to advise/devise, it's not a true parallel. -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Phonetic spelling? In English? Now there’s a novel idea… ;) Seriously though, thanks for spotting and reverting this one, and for explaining. — Hebrides (talk) 05:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you[edit]

Thank you for corrected the spelling on the article I created to "contains".

cheers,Bruinfan12 (talk) 07:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure :) — Hebrides (talk) 08:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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I'm not sure you used the right tag there. The one you used {{spam}} puts a message up which looks more appropriate to a talk page. I've tagged it db-inc now. Peridon (talk) 14:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Rajesh Khanna correspondence[edit]

I have moved the correspondence about the Rajesh Khanna article to User:Hebrides/RK for convenience. Please use that page for any discussions about Rajesh Khanna. Thanks. — Hebrides (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Edits to Rajesh Khanna article by Active Banana[edit]

Many well-meaning, educated, intelligent and mature people contribute their time and effort into the Wikipedia project, supporting its "neutral point of view" policy, and assuming each other's good faith. Edit warring is childish, counterproductive and supremely frustrating and has no place in Wikipedia. Let's build this encyclopaedia together, working towards a shared goal. ---this same thing u should have sent to activebanana

as i had provided 76 references after checking whether all are relaibe... in this version

if u observe this version of -- edited now by activebanana --it clearly says that he now has gone through my references "Honestly" and has found that what i was writing was facts.infact references are the same.iam happy with the artcile now. infact i always insisted him that contribute to the article fruitfully.

i have spend daily 2 hours serching for 76 references and he was plainly deleting evrything.see his edits earlier to the date 27th september. all were just plain copy pasted.

now he has accepted my references tats all. hope now he doesnt create any furthur problem and defame me. Shrik88music (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Responding here to the message Shrik88music left on my talk page, because I'm not sure he would see it there: Thanks for the message. On a cursory glance, this edit looks better than the one that was posted to the reliable sources noticeboard, though some of the wording could use some work. I don't know anything about your questions 1-5 as I am not following the editing on the article; I'm sorry I can't be of assistance with that. One final point, please try not to discuss other contributors in a demeaning way; saying Active Banana is collaborating with you "out of fear" is insulting and unfair. — e. ripley\talk 15:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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Peter McLean (cabinet maker)[edit]

Thank you for you assistance with this article.

I did not find a message from you on my Talk page. Shipsview (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. An interesting little article. I've just added some categories too. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia — Hebrides (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for fixing grammatical mistakes.

--Santiago84 11:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. I've also put a few internal links into the article, and added a reference to the book you mentioned. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Tell me do[edit]

I've never been able to work out that trick to make a multi-used ref appear once in the Ref list with a, b, c etc. You just fixed it here. How do you do that ? -Sticks66 13:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

It’s explained in WP:REFNAME. Give the first instance of the reference a name in the ref tag (as in <ref name=foo>Reference text goes here</ref>) then for all subsequent instances, just put the shortened form (in my example, you’d just put <ref name=foo />) as the whole thing. Hope that helps :) — Hebrides (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


NEED UR HELP in inserting a column where the name of actresses can be put. i have given u thier names against the respective film. here its needed to be incorporated

1961 Arasilangumari Anjalidevi 1961 Nallavan Vazhvan Rajasulochana 1961 Sabaash Mapillai Padmini 1961 Thaai Sollai Thattadhe B. Sarojadevi 1961 Thirudadhe B.Sarojadevi Watch 1961 Paasam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1962 Kudumba Thalaivan B. Sarojadevi 1962 Maadappura Rathna 1962 Raani Samyuktha Padmini 1962 Thaayai Kaatha Thanayan B.Sarojadevi 1962 Vikramaadhithan Anjalidevi & Padmini 1963 Anandha Jodhi Devika, Kamal Haasan as child artiste Watch 1963 Dharmam Thalai Kaakkum B. Sarojadevi 1963 Kalai Arasi Banumathi 1963 Kaanji Thalaivan Padmini 1963 Koduthu Vaithaval V. Saroja 1963 Needhikkuppin Paasam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1963 Panathottam . Sarojadevi 1963 Parisu B. Sarojadevi 1963 Periya Idathu Pen B. Sarojadevi Watch 1964 Dheiva Thaai B. Sarojadevi 1964 En Kadamai B. Sarojadevi Watch 1964 Padagotti B. Sarojadevi 1964 Thaayin Madiyil Jamuna 1964 Thozhilali K.R.Vijaya 1964 Vettaikkaaran Savithri Ganesan Watch 1965 Panakkara Kudumbam B. Sarojadevi Watch 1965 Aasai Mugam B. Sarojadevi 1965 Aayirathil Oruvan J.Jayalalitha Watch 1965 Enga Veettu Pillai B. Sarojadevi Watch 1965 Kalangarai Vilakkam B. Sarojadevi 1965 Kanni Thaai J. Jayalalitha 1965 Panam Padaithavan KR. Vijaya & Sowgar Janaki Watch 1965 Thazhampoo KR. Vijaya 1966 Anbe Vaa B. Sarojadevi Watch 1966 Naan Aanaiyittal B. Sarojadevi 1966 Mugaraasi J.Jayalalitha 1966 Nadodi B. Sarojadevi Watch 1966 Chandhrodhayam J.Jayalalitha 1966 Parakkum Paavai B. Sarojadevi 1966 Petraalthaan Pillaiya B. Sarojadevi 1966 Thaali Baagiyam Jamuna 1966 Thanippiravi J.Jayalalitha 1967 Arasakattalai B.Sarojadevi & J. Jayalalitha Watch 1967 Kaavalkaaran J.Jayalalitha Watch 1967 Thaaiku Thalaimagan B.Sarojadevi 1967 Vivasayee KR.Vijaya 1968 Ragasiya Police 115 J.Jayalalitha 1968 Thaer Thiruvizha J.Jayalalitha 1968 Kudiyirundha Koyil J. Jayalalitha Watch 1968 Kannan En Kadhalan J.Jayalalitha & Vanisri 1968 Pudhiya Boomi J.Jayalalitha 1968 Kanavan J. Jayalalitha 1968 Oli Vilakku Announced as MGR's 100th film - J.Jayalalitha & Sowgar Janaki 1968 Kadhal Vaaganam J.Jayalalitha 1969 Adimai Pen A unusual plot set in a fictional medieval European kingdom - J.Jayalalitha (dual role) Watch 1969 Nam Nadu J.Jayalalitha 1970 Maattukaara Velan J.Jayalalitha & Lakshmi 1970 En Annan J.Jayalalitha & Muthuraman 1970 Thalaivan J.Jayalalitha 1970 Thedi Vandha Mappillai J. Jayalalitha 1970 Engal Thangam J.Jayalalitha 1971 Kumarikkottam J.Jayalalitha 1971 Rickshawkaran MGR got Best Actor National Award - Manjula & Padmini Watch 1971 Neerum Neruppum J.Jayalalitha 1971 Oru Thaai Makkal first film with damaged voice due to inset bullet wound - J.Jayalalitha 1972 Sange Muzhangu Lakshmi Watch 1972 Nalla Neram KR.Vijaya Watch 1972 Raaman Thediya Seedhai J.Jayalalitha 1972 Annamitta Kai J.Jayalalitha 1972 Naan Yen Pirandhen KR.Vijaya & Kanchana 1972 Idhaya Veenai Lakshmi 1973 Ulagam Sutrum Valiban MGR's second venture as Director,Ran for 217 days, Shot mostly in Foreign location - Chandrakala, Manjula, Latha 1973 Pattikaattu Ponnaiya J.Jayalalitha 1974 Netru Indru Naalai Manjula, Latha & Rajasri Watch 1974 Urimai Kural Latha 1974 Sirithu Vazha Vendum Latha Watch 1974 Meenava Nanban Latha 1975 Ninaithadhai Mudippavan Manjula & Latha 1975 Naalai Namadhe Latha Watch 1975 Idhayakkani Radha saluja Watch 1975 Pallandu Vazhga Latha 1976 Needhikku Thalaivanangu Latha & Radha saluja 1976 Uzhaikkum Karangal Latha 1976 Oorukku Uzhaippavan Vanishree 1977 Navarathnam Latha

Shrik88music (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

When I read "inserting a column" I expected there would already be a table there, and you wanted one extra column. I have examined the page to which you refer: M. G. Ramachandran and there is no table of films. Your request is unclear. – Hebrides (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC) see the link again....insert the actress coloumn ..names of the actress ii have given u from 1963-1978 u may incorporate them tooShrik88music (talk) 19:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I resent your behaviour. You changed the link in your original message after I had replied to it – this makes my reply seem ridiculous, and makes it appear that I didn't read your question properly. If you had simply replied "my mistake, I meant to type" I would have respected you for it. But to try to cover up your mistake, implying that I made the error, is despicable. I'm sorry but I cannot work with behaviour like this. When you find someone else who will add the extra column for you, please don't deal with them as you have with me. — Hebrides (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

you r taking it too seriously.... the reason i had earlier copy pasted the mgr main page was to indicate who was the person....i thought that u will urself understand that iam referring to the filmography page of this person whose link i have given...but when u messaged me saying u didnt get where i was asking u to insert actresses column ...i thought of again giving u the link ..but this time directly the mgr filmography.... in spite of having discussed lot of matters with u yoy still feel quite uncomfortable in solving my issues...i doing everything dont take it to heart...y would i delibrately copy paste with the intention to show that u had overlooked etc...y wud i do that...main purpose is improving that artcile and not to show u down or sumthning ..!hope now u understood wht exactly took place Shrik88music (talk) 19:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Disambiguation Barnstar[edit]

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Super work with your dabbing efforts. They are more important for the encyclopedia than many often give credit for. And you work so smoothly and efficiently and consistentally. Keep up the great work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks – really nice of you. I didn't even know this dabstar existed! –Hebrides (talk) 20:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi. What's the chances of you being able to help with dabbing for Burmese settlements. Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)/Township templates and User:Dr. Blofeld/Burma#Repeated places names.. I've got a lot of dabbing to do!.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to get a handle on this. So – I look on your Repeated place names and see, for example, that Ywathit has a count of 55, so I create a geodis page with 55 links, one to each of the 55 Ywathit pages…
But as far as I can see, there is only one Ywathit page for me to link to. Where are the other 54? Do I create pages for each of the other places called Ywathit? If so, where is the source data from which to create these 54 pages? Sorry, but I'm missing something. — Hebrides (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

you'll see it linked 55 within the various Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)/Township templates. The village lists were extracted from Maplandia which uses geonames database to compile them. If that is difficult, perhaps do a template at a time like Template:Indaw Township and ensure they are red linked? No you will not have to create 54 pages just one dab page for Ywathit with all of the settlements linked in. Village xxxx, Township e.g Ywathit, Homalin (without the township on the end) and if there are multiple in one township they go by coordinates which are alreayd linked I believe. No worries if not, it would be a great help though for sure.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. So it’s about creating dab pages full of redlinks. Where will the actual village pages come from? Is there a script to generate them from geonames? I'd rather create the village pages first, then create dab pages full of blue links… — Hebrides (talk) 07:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I downloaded the entire database from geonames – looks a relatively straightforward task to write a few lines of code to generate village pages from that. Is somebody else doing that, or would you like me to have a go when I get time? Life is pretty busy till after Dec 1, but I could look into making a start on it after that… I just don't want to spend time on it if somebody else already has the task in hand. — Hebrides (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Great job on that, Oh please do help. Plastikspork is away on business and said the dabbing would be delayed. It would be awesome for you to do this and would mean I can freely go from township to township and start anything, especially those settlements with some scraps in google books.As long as you can also dab the given templates at the same time when generating the dab pages to fix the links and that they match up. First of all can you help me create the remaining templates. They are linked by region in WP:Burma CLick edit and then copy the templates and the noinclude category and insert them into the red link templates.E.g click hereDr. Blofeld 12:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you create a dab page at Aage? It could also be compiled from Norwegian wiki which has missing "Aages".♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've put one at Aage – a bit of a rushed job (got deadlines in real life at present) but it’s a start. Rgds — Hebrides (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, definately needed eh? I'll resume with making the Burma templates later. Are you still up for it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


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Gabriel and Gavriil[edit]

There was no encyclopedic content in these pages. And there is no potential for article: all what is related to the origins of these names is better to keep in the "parent" page. Listing people by first name is silly. See John (name), Peter (name). At the same time, it is reasonable to list people known only by their name, see e.g. Michael, i.e., when disambiguation is required. Lom Konkreta (talk) 17:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. As I see you've got a disambiguation barnstar. Congrats. ... So you guess I didn't have to educate you in guidelines about disambiguation (and WP:NOT about arbitrarily listing various superficially related stuff, such as List of people named after saints :-). Lom Konkreta (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. The {{given name}} template (see Template:Given name/doc) exists specifically for pages such as those you deleted, and puts such pages into the Category:Given names, which contains over 4500 similar pages. It is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy. These are not disambiguation pages and do not claim to be (unlike the hndis pages, which are disambiguation pages). Whatever your opinions of them (and even if you think they are “silly”) they are an established and respected part of Wikipedia. In view of this, I’m restoring the pages and linking them to the Gabriel page in the normally accepted fashion. Please feel free to discuss further if you disagree with my action after familiarising yourself with the Given names category and its application. Best regards, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia — Hebrides (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Please allow me to disregard your exceedingly polite speech, which I see in stark contrast with your quite impolite actions of reverting my edits without finishing the discussion. I see no harm in such pages, only non-encyclopedic nuisance, therefore I will not continue this discussion with a person who appear to respect only their own opinion. Good luck in further b-star accumulation. Lom Konkreta (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, Lom – I didn't mean to act impolitely. Let's rewind a bit … here's how it went: I created two pages; you removed their content; I reinstated it, explaining my rationale for doing so – I really didn't intend to be impolite. I know your edits were in good faith, and I do appreciate the time and effort you're putting into Wikipedia. Sincere apologies for making you cross – I do my best to get on with other editors, but sometimes I don't quite get it right :( – Hebrides (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

OK.Let's rewind this. My suggestion is to rethink whether it is necessary to list people by first name. I see two extreme situations. Consider the name "John". Do you really think it is useful to have a page which lists several thousand Johns? In many languages? On the other hand, I may readily believe that it would be interesting to have a list of known people with some rate first name, such as, e.g.,... er,... Alexandrina . [WOW! landed on red! ... filled; left Alexandrina (name) for you] What's your take? Lom Konkreta (talk) 01:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Sights of Hildesheim[edit]

Dear Hebrides, I wrote two short articles on sights of my home town: St. Nicolai's Chapel, Hildesheim and St. Bernward's Church, Hildesheim. If you have time, please correct them. Thanks a lot.--Torbenbrinker (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you again. I've done as you requested; once again there was hardly anything to correct, but I made a few small adjustments. They are delightful and interesting articles, well written; and your English is better than many native British writers! It's a pleasure to work with you. — Hebrides (talk) 09:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. It's an incentive to write some more articles. Best wishes for the New Year 2011. --Torbenbrinker (talk) 10:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


Dear Hebrides, I wrote an article on Moritzberg (Hildesheim). It's the part of Hildesheim where I live. Please correct it if you have time. The article became longer than I had expected. Can you make the photos on the right side of the article smaller? I would like to add one or two but I think there is no space left. I wrote a shorter article on Hospital of the Five Wounds, Hildesheim as well. Thanks a lot, --Torbenbrinker (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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HI. Are you still up for the Burma dabbing as I intend starting the villages in due course?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll willingly dab them after the pages have been created. If you let me know when all the pages that share a particular name have been created, I will create the dab page with links to all the pages and brief descriptions. BTW, good to see that you’re back :) — 21:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

This is exactly what I mean. Pages like Namkut needing moving and a dab page setting up in its place, Namkut, Mu-Se Township and Namkut, Ke-Hsi Township etc and for the templates to be properly piped to the correct links. You see?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Where do you find the township data? I have downloaded the geonames dataset for Myanmar, but it only gives the state (Sagain, Shan, etc), not township. Is there another source gazetteer? — Hebrides (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Maplandia. Search for a place name and it will come up with all the places which might be helpful. All of the places should have entries in the geonames database which can be used as a source. Maplandia was drawn up using geonames I think. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

See User:Dr. Blofeld/Burma for the duplicates.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Too much of a task eh? Shall I just start creating them?♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I've been scoping the task, and also looking back through your discussions with other users. What I would like to do is to write code to recreate your navboxes with all the necessary piping inserted into the links. For example, name conflicts within a state would be piped to <town>, <township>, name conflicts in different states to <town>, <state>, and names which are unique in Burma but occur elsewhere in WP would become <name>, Burma. It would make it much easier to write the code if I had the raw table of data which was spidered from Maplandia – otherwise I would have to write extra code to reconstruct that table first. Can you get me that table please (one row per town, with as many columns of data as possible for each town)? It would probably be possible to slip in a few extra lines of code to create all the disambiguation pages too. What do you think? — Hebrides (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Dunno what table of data you mean. Plastikspork was the one who downloaded them, perhaps ask him?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to the narrative at about the downloading process. Some way through that long section, he says, “I have all the information for all the levels in a large 41,000 line file, so this post processing doesn't take very long. All I have to do is create another file with level 4 removed, and push level 5 down to level 4, and the same script would work. That is, if this is what you want.” The 41000-line file is an obvious starting point for producing a proper disambiguated set of navboxes with a standardised naming convention – before we start creating all the articles.
You’re much more experienced with this sort of thing. Isn’t it worth spending the time to get all the 41000 names fixed and correct at the start (before creating the articles)? And I'd rather spend a little time getting the strategy right and writing a few lines of code to automate the whole thing, instead of trying to do them one by one – better to whizz than plod :) — Hebrides (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I'd rather get them fixed initially. List of songs by Elvis Presley also needs dabbing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

See Plastikspork's talk page.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:46, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm working on it. The list he gave has 37824 settlements, and so far I have the code working to give them all unique names. I'm just developing the part that then checks each name to see if WP already has a page, then checks if that page is a Burma page or is something else (like Ale for example). Those that are something else, I'm appending "Burma", so Ale becomes "Ale, Burma". The final stage (yet to do) will be to churn out the navboxes and disambiguation pages, which should be fairly trivial. This week is fairly busy, so I'll see what I can fit in. Maybe finish it off at the weekend. — Hebrides (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks for fixing my accessdates[edit]

cheers. I just noticed I'd been doing them in the wrong format, so thanks for fixing them Kathodonnell (talk) 03:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Pleased to help :) — Hebrides (talk) 06:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

USCGC Point Cypress (WPB-82326)[edit]

Thank you for putting the polish on the article I wrote. It's always the little things that I overlook that detract, plus I could do a little better in the spelling department at times. I don't know how many times I proofread the article and still missed a few things; you were that fresh set of eyes...Thanks again. Cheers. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

You’re very welcome – pleased to help :) — Hebrides (talk) 22:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi, I see you're currently (or at least very recently) using AWB to change article to list references. To be honest most editors don't use list references and they're much harder for newbies to understand, so I'm unsure why you're using AWB to make this change. Could you please explain why you are doing this, or point to somewhere that says it is ok to do this with AWB? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 12:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I was just trying to make articles easier to edit and maintain. Inline references, particularly long ones, make it very difficult to work with the text of the article, especially for newbies, because a paragraph may get bloated out by references into many disconnected parts. List-defined references make it much cleaner. However, I was unaware that I was transgressing a sentence in the rulebook I didn't know existed – see Binksternet’s comment below. I’ll stop. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for replying. As you may have guessed, I'm not a huge fan of list-defined references, as I personally feel they make it even harder for newbies to understand how to insert references. Anyway, I note that you stopped as soon as concerns were raised and I thank you for that and understand you were acting in good faith. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Trivial reference style changes[edit]

I reverted your reference style changes to Babcock Ranch for purely procedural reasons: such a change is against WP:CITEVAR. I see in your edit history that you have been performing quite a bit of these shifts from inline citations to cite-at-the-bottom style. I can see the benefit of this style for greater clarity in the editing window, but the guideline says, "If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow that style." It also says, "Do not change the citation style used in an article merely for personal preference or cosmetic reasons." Note that your trivial change did not help the non-editor reader one iota—it did not change the appearance of the article.

If you wish to continue with this path you ought to have the guideline at CITEVAR changed. Binksternet (talk) 12:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I read the description at Template:Reflist#List-defined_references and thought these were a brilliant idea for uncluttering reference-laden text, making it much easier to edit and maintain. I should obviously have searched the rulebook before starting to use them. Thanks for pointing this out. — Hebrides (talk) 13:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick response. Binksternet (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
That's OK. Thanks to you for pointing it out. I looked again at WP:CITEVAR and realised that I have in fact read it before, but I read it as meaning changing the visible style within the article – like changing Notes to References or imposing a particular academic referencing style (Harvard, Chicago, etc) or changing between paranthetical and ref tags. Since I was only tidying the syntax of the page (in a way that did not alter the appearance to the reader), making it easier to edit and maintain, it never occurred to me that it might be covered by the statements in WP:CITEVAR. I'm still not convinced that the term Citation Style as used in WP:CITEVAR refers to what I was doing. But since two people raised objections, it is obviously open to different interpretations. Sincere regards — Hebrides (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi, your recent AWB edit of the above article has broken the refs for some reason & it is appearing in the missing reflist category. I'm not familiar with the ref list system so dare not try to fix. Are you aware of the problem? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, cancel that. I'm going to revert. - Sitush (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I was just going to revert it myself. Having a bad morning :( – Hebrides (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
No probs. I had a bad week, just gone ;) - Sitush (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


Hello Hebrides. This is KaboomXXL. I saw your comment, and my best answer to you is that I am still trying to get a grip on how to create an effective wiki article. Should you have any suggestions, please, feel free to let me know how I can make improvements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaboomXXL (talkcontribs) 07:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

That's OK. I removed the interwiki links because they go nowhere (but when you’ve translated the article into all those languages and put it on all those other Wikipedias, do put the links back ;).
You’re right – learning to write a good article is a steep learning curve. I've been editing since 2006 and I still get things in a twist! But you’ve already got the basics and have done really well with Toni Jeričević – and the nice thing about Wikipedia is that other editors will come in and do their bit too. The "orphan" tag is just because other articles don't link to this one, so if his name occurs in other articles, do go in and link from there, then remove the orphan tag.
Thanks for contributing your time to building Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 09:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


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Excellent work. Thanks. I believe the convention is to drop the district and township names from the end. E,g Abaw, Ye.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Please explain. My column 4 shows the proposed unique names. I didn't propose Abaw, Ye. I was proposing Abaw because it's unique. Do you mean that I am right? — Hebrides (talk) 14:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for taking the time to do so, look forward to you running it. BTW do you have a special interest in Malaysia or something, I've noticed a lot of places were started by you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah sorry I though Abaw had mutiple place names. What I mean is that we don't generally add State or Township on the end. DO if a made up village say Kyun was located in Bago Township amd another in say Myeik Township it would be Kyun, Bago and Kyun, Myeik.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

What;s the current status?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Please read the long message I left on your talk page about place names... Cheers, – Hebrides (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Did you have time to check and confirm? I'd value your input before I go ahead… – Hebrides (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

\duh. Sorry!. Wow that would be excellent. Go ahead! Looks good to me. Although when the articles are created of course the township templates will feature at the bottom.19:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So what's the plan now then?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Got to write the code that cross-references the maplandia data with the data from geonames. I'm inclined to filter out places that aren't on both lists – is that OK with you?
I am also inclined to interpret places with the same name that are less than 1km apart as being the same place – do you agree?
The next job will be writing the code to generate approx forty thousand pages, then running it. When I have all the pages prepared on my hard drive, what is the standard method of uploading 40,000 pages?
Life is very busy this week, so will aim to get started in May. Would be grateful for answers to my three questions above. — Hebrides (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely,I fully agree. I'm always dubious about places with the same name in very close proximity anyway.. In the meantime I'll try to get the nav templates for Shan State made, I've done the rest. Mmm uploading 40,000 pages would require approval by BAG if you are running a script. I guess I'll have to try to convince them of articles like Gwebin etc that it is definitely worth having the stubs create on the pathway to the "sum" LOL. As long as they are veriable and can be expanded at a later date I can't see why it should be a problem.. As long as you can create them with a reference to geonames and a map and coordinates in an infobox.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The nav templates will change after I filter out the ones that are not in both lists. They will also need re-creating to incorporate piped links to all the <name>, <state> kind of titles. Maybe I generate those at the same time as generating all the pages and the disambiguation pages too. What do you think?
Regarding verifiability and references, maybe I will create a sample page the way I envisage them to look – and you can tell me what, if any, further features it should have. — Hebrides (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Any developments?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, very busy in RL over the past days. Before that, I was working on a boilerplate page format. Would be grateful if you could take a look at User:Hebrides/sandbox2 and give me a crit. I've been meaning to search the rules, regs, guidelines and MOS for anything that impacts on this, but haven't had the time. It would be a shame to break some rule or other on 40000 new pages! I'm not sure about the See also section – whether it is valid to put similar place names in a section like this. I vaguely seem to remember that there is a rule that you mustn't link to a dab page from a See also section but cannot remember where or why. Maybe I should omit the See also section? The only additional ingredient I would put in would be a DEFAULTSORT on pages whose titles have diacritics. Your comments on this sample page would be greatly valued. Be as critical as you like ;) Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 06:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. A couple of things though. Get rid of the see also section and if possible put the neighboring settlements in prose in line form rather than bullets, I'm not fond of bullets in articles unless it is like a long list of neighborhoods or people! I think you've included too many nearby places I've updated it in prose and I think we should cut it to only include 8 nearby settlements. Also the name xxxxx is located in southwestern Burma I think is useful. Also the links should be there in the infobox. There infobox box is way too short and is missing the timeozone and image skyline and map parameters should it be found later. If you can please try to add an infobox with the parameters you see in Gwebin, I've updated the infobox in the article. Is is possible though you could use DMS rather than decimal for the coordinates?Also it would be good if you could leave a Search google books link in the external links so hopefully some of them can be expanded later... One last thing. Before creating the entire lot of the nav templates need to be made and slightly different transliteration names redirected... oo is usually given as -U for example. Also you had the district wrong its in Sittwe District, Mapandia doesn't include the second level division it skips from state to third level township. In creating them you'd need to have the townships listed under each district so you know when to change it and they should be sub categorized as Category:Populated places in Sittwe District for example and also a township category should be created for each township. If you just follow the changes I've made to your sandbox 2 as closely as possible it should be OK. . ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Many excellent suggestions, including:

  • add extra infobox parameters and wikilinked names in infobox – yes, no problem
  • use DMS co-ordinates – can easily do this
  • trim list of nearby places from ten to eight – easy, no problem
  • delete See also – yes, I had almost come to the same conclusion

Some questions arise:

  • "xxxxx is located in southwest Burma" … I cannot see how to work out the "southwest". What point are you taking the bearing from? Where does "southwest Burma" change to "central Burma"? I would need mathematical criteria if I were to implement this change.
  • Google books search – can you point me to the policy on this please? It seems highly dubious, because you could put a Google books search in the external links on every wikipedia page!
  • transliteration naming – this sounds like a problem. How should my software choose a name, if it is not simply taking it from the dataset that I have? Where can I get a gazetteer with the correct transliterations please?
  • I do not understand how to convert the maplandia data into District. You say I had the district wrong. What algorithm should I use to get the district right?

And finally, I disagree with you about the bulleted list. Your prose version is clumsy, difficult to read, inordinately repetitive (lots of "which is located" and "to the") and cumbersome. It has nothing to recommend it. I favour clarity and ease of access. No hard feelings – just being honest with you.

Hebrides (talk) 11:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The reason why its because when i come to expand the geography I would do exactly that, cut the bulleted list to just a few and add geography and google books link is there to retrieve information, although I have it linked in my itinery so its not a problem. If you want to keep a bulleted list that's OK. I;m not sure there are any "correct" transliterations but lists them. However I can no longer access it for some reason. I am aware you can't use maplandia for districts. What I am suggesting then is that you manually list the districts and their townships on wikipedia; they are listed in Townships of Burma and you manyallu change the district/category name and then use your bot or whateve rit is to run through the townships of a certain district and then once done you move onto the next. The township category should be different for every township too but can be done automatically I guess. Quite a lot of the nav boxes and existing district articles on wikipedia though are different transliterations to those in Maplandia so quite a lot of redirect work needs doing. There are also several townships which Maplandia includes but we don't.. But it should be possible to tackle the majority. As for geography, location in Burma can be changed on a state by state approach. Say you are doing Shan State you simply add xxxx is located in eastern Burma, Mandalay Division xxxx is located in central Burma etc. As long as you change it before you start on a new state and simply make an overall judgement based on state location it should be fine.. OK?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

OK? When do you plan to start?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Busy I gather.. Its now June!Tibetan Prayer 21:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


...for your many article contributions and your charming userboxes. Drmies (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

You just cheered my day :)) thanks! — Hebrides (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


I gather you scrapped the Burma idea? I haven't heard from you in two months.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. Had a shedload of RL for most of June. Should have left you a message. Still busy but happy to pick it up and try to remember where we got to. I seem to remember that two problems remain:
  1. geonames seems to use some non-standard transliterations
  2. how to get an enormous quantity of articles onto WP
Cheers. Hebrides (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


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Interwikilink in Damer[edit]

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Oops! Sorry about that. Must be more careful. — Hebrides (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the new dab page Magdy. Do you think we should included Magdi entries on there too, e.g. Magdi Yacoub? I believe it's a common alternate spelling. Thanks, Gurt Posh (talk) 14:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. I've added them. Thanks for getting in touch. — Hebrides (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi Hebrides
I see that you corrected my lousy spelling on 3 August, (it was late, thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it), in the Herbert Werner (U-boat officer) article. Thanks for that. One word, however, was replaced by another wrong 'un. I refer, to that old chestnut "lieutenant". We were both wrong; "leutenant" should have read leutnant, oberleutenant should read oberleutnant. That is because leutnant is a foreign word (in this case German). To quote the MoS; "Use italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words [my emphasis] that are not common in everyday English".
I'll go to the article now and correct it.

(Don't get me started on the pronunciation: "lootenant" - American English and "leftenant" - British English; incidentially in this case it would be pronounced "loytnant" in German).


RASAM (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It was because "leutenant" was close to "lieutenant" that I "corrected" it in the wrong direction! Thanks for repairing the damage. — Hebrides (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


Can you created a detailed dab page for this, syou might use google translate from Russian/German wikipedia to help. Generally in English it is spelt Zyryanka or Zyrianka.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

You've become strangely aloof.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that. Why though aren't you speaking to me. Have I upset you?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

You're imagining things! Life is still busy, but I do grab a bit of time to unwind by doing some odd bits of mindless WP tinkering. I guess I'm feeling a little guilty that I put aside all the Burma stuff a while ago, and haven't picked it up again yet. Must have a look and see if I can find the folder with all the files. At the moment this task seems to stay at the end of my "to do" list. I still have visions of spending an enormous amount of time writing, testing and debugging code to generate forty thousand pages and then having no way of uploading them. Your communication about Zyryanka mystified me to the extent that I couldn't think what to reply. I thought disambiguation pages were for words that have lots of meanings, like Bonk or Hoo. As for your imaginings, I don’t do "aloof" – and life's definitely too short to spend time getting upset. — Hebrides (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Well I gathered you have been busy... Please do consider the Burma settlements as I was wondering "sub stubbing" them which would likely be much worse than if something was coded to produce something half decent as a stub.. Time though as you say may be a constraint.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:09, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

See Zyryanka now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I understand now. I don't do redlink dabs.
Re Burma, yes, I will dig out all the stuff I did earlier in the year, as it would be worthwhile to create a set of decent pages with all the basic page-furniture in them. — Hebrides (talk) 19:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Great find with MIMU. In fact I think I'll start an article on the organization itself. Yes if you could use those xcel sheets and find a way to efficiently generate articles with adequate initial pages this would be a massive stepping stone. Of course we should have articles on the sub townships and village tracts as well perhaps. You can use the ready made templates made by townshiup to go in the footer but I suspect many places will have different name transliterations or many duplicates missing or present etc. I would say though that if you stick to the MIMU lists you can't really go wrong as the names and coordinates are there for the taking. I want the infoboxes to be debloated though like this without the unnecessary baggage you see in a lot of articles. You'll need though to add sub township and village tract parameters of course.. Care to make a BAG proposal? I'll also comment.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I can't get the Burmese script to show up on WP pages. Any ideas? — Hebrides (talk) 15:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

That is fine. Don't worry about the Burmese script if you can't get it to show up. WP:Burma is basically me, User:Hybernator and User:Hintha, not much of a project in which it could be discussed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd only go with those which have coordinates for now for verification purposes, unless the coordinates can be found from geonames or whatever at a later date and Anomebot can add them. If you are confident that the coordinates can be foundat a later date then it would be worth it. It would be a pity to ignore 11,000 villages of course!! .♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Any progress on this? I'm tempted to just get on with it myself.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I wrote code to read the MIMU Excel files in their entirety, then sort all settlements into order. (To be honest, I've never written C# code to read Excel files before – a useful learning experience.) I then ran the code I wrote which constructs unique page names for all settlements by adding Township and/or State name to the settlement name as necessary to resolve ambiguity. (This is the program I wrote which previously produced all the unique names on User:Hebrides/Burma/1, User:Hebrides/Burma/2 and User:Hebrides/Burma/3).
With the MIMU names this strategy is insufficient, because many settlements now have the same name, the same Township and the same State. I need to re-craft my name-construction algorithm to construct a unique page name from a minimal combination of (village name | village tract | township | district | state) – just sufficient to make all villages with the same name have a unique page name. To give you some insight into the problem, township names themselves are not unique, so some sets of villages with the same name may have two with the same township name but different states, but also have other instances in those states in different townships. I resolved this in my code by including, in those unusual cases, the (village name + township + state). Now with the MIMU naming some villages have the same name, the same Township and the same State, so a name based on (village name + township + state) is still not unique. This is a non-trivial algorithm, but is fundamental to getting a set of unique page names for the whole dataset before creating the pages. If any of the names are wrong and need changing, all the hyperlinks will be wrong too.
When it comes to what MIMU calls Towns, the spreadsheets show the names all including the word "Town", as in Falam Town, Rihkhawdar Town, Hakha Town, Thantlang Town, etc. I presume we will follow the same convention with the WP page names. This at least will avoid name clashes between towns and villages. Falam Town is a town, within the Township called Falam, which is in the District called Falam in the State called Chin.
Within Towns there are entities called Wards, but again their names are all qualified by the word "Ward", as in Cangbong Ward, Khoboi Ward, etc. I presume our page naming will follow this.
Incidentally, it was strange to get your message when I logged in this morning, as I had just been puzzling over this "unique names" algorithm over breakfast. Regards — Hebrides (talk) 07:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Calliopejen is good with excel sheets. I've requested her to generate lists of settlements by district, rather like List of populated places in Peru. That would be a start I hope.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Please help review Ken P. Chong bio page[edit]

Dear Ms. WP expert, I am a neophyte who has heard praises about you. Anyway, I'd like to request your help on this page which is based on solid official credentials by NSF and NIST. What do I need to do. I don't understand the flagged message, which implies that the material is from the biogrphee. Much obliged.

Btw, I'm most impressed that you write in British English. I also learned your style of English in Hong Kong, and am very puzzled by Americans saying, "Me and Bob went to store." or "Between Bob and I, " Good thing the UN specifies that their official English is British English.--QES girl (talk) 21:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello, QES girl, and nice to hear from you. And thanks for joining the band of Wikipedia editors. Sorry for the delay in replying. The Ken P. Chong article is a good start, and shows you already have a good grasp of the Mediawiki syntax and the Wikipedia principles and manual of style. I've made a few edits to it, just to complete the basic ingredients a page needs – categories and defaultsort, persondata, and inline references. For the latter, I prefer the "list-defined reference" syntax because it causes less disruption to the text of the article when in Edit mode, and is easier to maintain. I also created several links to the page from other Wikipedia articles – important to avoid the page getting an "Orphan" tag.
Lots of new articles get notability and primary sources tags early in their development. When trying to establish notability, here's a possible approach. First take a look at Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria, and decide which of this list of criteria justify his inclusion. Next, locate reliable sources that are independent of the subject (see WP:SOURCES) that confirm these criteria. Finally, write the article in such a way that the chosen criteria are very clear from your text, and use inline references to direct readers to the independent sources.
Sorry again for the delay in replying – life has been very busy this week. Hope some of my comments and edits may be of some help. Best wishes — Hebrides (talk) 20:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Ms. Hebrides. What a difference when it was touched up by an expert! I'll follow your suggestions, and be a faithful student. Many thanks.--QES girl (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011[edit]

I reverted your edit to Wikipedia:Help desk, as it deleted all recent traffic from the help desk. You may wish to try again. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


Can you create pages?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, as soon as the naming is agreed. — Hebrides (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Can you create a dab page for Krešimir?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Great job, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:58, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you create a dab page at Johnny (given name)? Might be a few hundred but I still think its needed..♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Too many – it's in the thousands. — Hebrides (talk) 19:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you check Church of Santa Maria Assunta and ensure I didn't miss any, like in List of churches consecrated to Santa Maria Assunta?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Checked, didn't find any others :) Hebrides (talk) 19:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. I was looking for some people with the surname Chopra. There is no listing. Can you add it to the page/dab?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice one. Can you do a dab page for Baud too, I'll add some later from Dutch and French wiki..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Can you do one for Michałowski and redirect Michalowski?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Florence Violet McKenzie[edit]

Thanks :-) Hope you don't mind me writing over your work - but I did try to integrate your original article rather than merely overwrite it. I'm going to list it for a DYK today hopefully. Wittylama 08:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

How to find the author[edit]

every wiki article has a number of editors, but i wanna know "how to find the author of the article who started the article/page??" and if possible please answer on my talk page with thanks Tari 09:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC).

fluoride dab pages: propose change to real pages[edit]

Hi Hebrides:

Please let me know if you have any objection to changing the fluoride dab pages to regular pages. Think it is unlikely that people have name ambiguity about different fluorides and want to add content. End article may be a listy article, but I don't think it is really for name confusion.

I am in the process of building up our fluorine content. Getting "Fluorine" up to FA and building content and articles for some of the subordinate topics.

You have one of those signs that says you may be away so if I don't hear in a few days, will just change them and start building content.

TCO (talk) 23:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi TCO, I have no objection whatsoever. Looking back, I do wonder whether my describing these lists as disambiguation pages was valid – they are really list pages. I presume the pages in question are Monofluoride, Trifluoride, Tetrafluoride and Pentafluoride. Feel free to develop these in whatever direction is useful. They are over a year old, so likely to be incomplete too. Thanks for asking :) — Hebrides (talk) 07:57, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, man!

Thank you!![edit]

Thank you very much! I have been expecting this moment when those warnings at the top are removed for one thousand years. Now, the moment finally came! Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-12-22100538 (talkcontribs) 10:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Léon Azéma[edit]

Nice article - I've taken the liberty of nominating it for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Léon Azéma. Prioryman (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Great, and thanks for your contribution to the article. — Hebrides (talk) 06:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Date ranges[edit]

You certainly missed something. Please read: "At the start of articles on people..." Schaick is a disambiguation page, not an article on any subject or person. Please read the whole paragraph at MOS:DOB, especially the part when it comes to " spaces are used, e.g., "(1943–1971)"." Please read the text (the whole text) of a guideline, and try to understand it, before you throw "direct contravention" at somebody. But, feel free to contact me any time you are in doubt about wiki guidelines. Happy New Year! Kraxler (talk) 12:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

On dab pages it doesn't make any difference, since most entries occupy only one line. The template-n-dash seems to have something to do with a possible line-break in an article. The hyphen just looks tidier in the edition window. It's a waste of time to change this back and forth, I just do it sometimes to get a better overview while editing. Kraxler (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC) P.S. The dash used at MOS:DAB#Specific_entry_types is not the confusing template-style written dash, but a special dash listed in the box below the edition window. (If I can think of it, I will use that in the future, the hyphen on the keyboard is easier to access...)


At 49th New York State Legislature, why do add "&nbsp" in a small column between (number) and "years"? Please don't. Forget the guideline, if there is one. Anyway, please give me a link, if there is one. Kraxler (talk) 15:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

That's what I thought, it prevents things like "3 a.m." from being separated at the end of a line, which is quite helpful. But this is not text, it's inside a narrow column of a wikitable, I think it's not necessary there. Anyway, thanks for the cleaning up. Kraxler (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Léon Azéma[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Topley Landing[edit]

See note I have added to the talk page for Topley Landing, British Columbia about its location. --KenWalker | Talk 02:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Louis Mink Changes[edit]

Thank you, Sadads (talk) 15:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I just did a bit more to it. Nice little article – thank you for creating it :) — Hebrides (talk) 19:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Reply To Your Post[edit]

I have posted a reply to your post. You can have a look.
Also, another suggestion if you don't mind, your talk page size is too long (current size of your talk page is 388,677 bytes.. So, archive some entries? :) --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 06:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. Archiving is one of those jobs that never seems to reach the top of my list. I'll get round to it one day. — Hebrides (talk) 12:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The Socratic barnstar[edit]

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Thanks for all your suggestions --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 13:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)



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O dab master, I was wondering if you could create pages for Reusner and Schweigger? Reusner is also spelled Reisner, don't know if you want to combine pages..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you[edit]

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You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Kwang for deletion[edit]

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Ion Miu[edit]

Sure, I'll look into it over the next few days. I do know the frustration of trying to dig up quality sources where they're not around. Good start, and let's hope it gets even better. - Biruitorul Talk 15:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Replacing hyphens[edit]

Thanks, Hebrides, for taking an interest in Mogens Ballin. Unfortunately your replacement of the hyphens in the date sequences had the effect of de-activating one of the URLs given as a reference. I don't know exactly how your bot works but may I suggest that in future you double check that it hasn't interfered with the dates in references which are usually pasted in from the original sources. Maybe you could also bring this to the attention of whoever runs the bot. I see we seem to share an interest in wikis in the other languages so maybe we'll have a chance to work together in the future. Happy editing! - Ipigott (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Ian, for spotting my mistake, which you generously attributed to a bot. AWB isn't a bot, it simply makes editing suggestions which I must then examine and approve or reject, so I take full blame for this. I'll be more careful in future. I've done a little work on other wikis, though my knowledge of other languages is very rudimentary when compared with yours. We also seem to have overlapping interests – for example, I've admired and enjoyed the music of Carl Nielsen since my schooldays. Thanks again — Hebrides (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi. I found an error in the article (see photo). Copernicus was not a German, he was from Poland. --Top811 my talk —Preceding undated comment added 15:50, 12 May 2012 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of Conférence des Directeurs des Écoles Françaises d'Ingénieurs[edit]

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DYK for Charles Dennis Fisher[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Robert S de Ropp[edit]

I appreciate the improvements you've made to the article about Robert de Ropp. I'm curious: how (or why) did you take an interest in the biographical article about the man?Joel Russ (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently reading the biography of Vaughan Williams by his second wife Ursula, which mentions Robert de Ropp. I was reading about RVW's first wife Adeline (née Fisher) and her family, and wrote a couple of articles along the way (Edmund Fisher and Charles Dennis Fisher) as one does, you know – so I knew Robert's mother was not one of the Fisher brothers and sisters (the Robert S de Ropp article had described Adeline as a maternal aunt). A little bit of digging around turned up what I think is the correct family relationship.
Do you have a particular reason to be interested in him? — Hebrides (talk) 12:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I met Robert soon after I graduated from high school. I attended a community college for a couple years before transferring to university, where I studied psychology and cultural anthropology.
Robert was still a professional biochemist at that time, but he was also on a lecture circuit. His public talks were on the topic of higher human capacities, and the realisation of human potentials. I was invited by a professor of mine to have lunch with him and with Robert. During that lunch, Robert opened my mind to the environmental issues facing mankind.Joel Russ (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Akan names and surnames[edit]

Hey Hebrides, as the Akan language is predominantly spoken in Ghana, and is not a widely spoken language worldwide as European languages such as English, French, Spanish and other major languages, so there will not be much sources available on the web. I can give you this link which shows you and explains the Akan given names and surnames in details ( I hope it helps you. My best regards — MarkMysoe (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB edit of Kristian Løken article[edit]

Hi Hebrides (nice user name, btw). Thanks for fixing the year dashes and the date/year issues in the article Kristian Løken. It's appreciated.

However, I undid the rest of your edit. First, the quotation marks in the book title "Av hensyn til rikets sikkerhet -" are intentional - that's the title of the book - the title is part of a quote (see Worldcat). Secondly, why did you remove a large number of completely valid categories from the article? Manxruler (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ooops. Sorry about the second part, I didn't realise that the categories had been duplicated. My bad. Sorry. Striking that. Manxruler (talk) 14:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for getting in touch. I think the reason that AWB changes from guillemets to quotation marks is because of the statement in MOS:QUOTE which says, "Non-English typographical elements in quotations: Replace them with their English-language equivalents; e.g. replace guillemets (« ») with straight quotation marks." Having said that, I do sometimes transgress this rule, especially in a direct quotation or title. By my own normal practice, I should have left them unchanged in Kristian Løken so thanks for reverting that change. — Hebrides (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks again for the help. Manxruler (talk) 23:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB, orphan[edit]

Hebrides, will you please lay off the orphan tag? It's a crap tag to begin with, and it was already removed once before from the very same article. "Orphan" issues are easy to deal with--just find an article to link to. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I dislike it too. Grateful for your message, because it's prompted me to find a solution. I've downloaded a copy of the AWB source code, commented out a dozen or so lines, and built myself a bespoke version. I left in the section that makes AWB remove an existing Orphan tag from articles that now have enough incoming links, but now my copy never inserts Orphan tags. How's that? — Hebrides (talk) 05:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
That is excellent. Some folks have been venting about this, User_talk:LadyofShalott#AWB, and I'm going to drop a note there linking to this very helpful response of yours. I am glad to hear that you aren't looking for any excuses and did something about it. Thank you so much! Drmies (talk) 14:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Nice to make people happy! In case anyone is interested to do the same, I simply commented out the "if" statement that's prefixed by the comment "add orphan tag if applicable, and no disambig nor SIA" (about 14 lines of code), but left the contents of the corresponding "else" section, which removes the tag from articles that now have enough links. In the current version of the source code it's just after line 6405 in the file "AWB\WikiFunctions\Parse\Parsers.cs", but that could change if the file is changed – just do a search for the comment text. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Church of St Michael and All Angels[edit]

hi! Can you dab this, there's a lot of articles named this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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You definitely got it wrong. I fully intended to link from this surname page to two parallel disambiguation pages. Just to make it clear beyond doubt, I've piped the links to disambiguation redirect pages which, I believe, is the recommended convoluted way of getting round these things. — Hebrides (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Baklava is a rich, sweet pastry made of layers of filo pastry filled with chopped nuts and sweetened with syrup or honey. It's presented to you for your efforts on William E. Ingram, Jr.. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 07:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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DYK for Michel Ory[edit]

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For your formatting work on the Smithsonian Gardens article. Geraldshields11 (talk) 12:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
My pleasure, like the article. :) — Hebrides (talk) 13:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Partial undo in Holmia (disambiguation)[edit]

Hi, Thanks for checking on Holmia (disambiguation). I'll undo 2 of the 3 edits you made. Most importantly, you changed Holmium(III) oxide to Holmium (III) oxide. There certainly is a small mistake in that page title, but correcting the link on the disambiguation page to a non-existant although correct page doesn't help. Secondly I was tought that before a noun starting with a vowel the article should be an. Hope you don't mind. Regards, Dwergenpaartje (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yikes, I really made a total mess of that edit, didn't I! Thanks for coming to the rescue, and tidying up after me. I really must be more careful. Looks like I was using AWB at the time, so I must check for a rogue regex in my search/replace list. Thanks again. — Hebrides (talk) 21:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the interwiki links. Should have thought about it myself. Kind Regards, Dwergenpaartje (talk) 10:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Undaground for deletion[edit]

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New version of AWB[edit]

An updated version of AWB is now available here. Cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 00:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, Uncle. Nice to know I do something right occasionally :) – Hebrides (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Tattler 语丝[edit]

Thanks for helping Tattler 语丝. I've re-organized the sentences to fit the "massacre" more smoothly into the paragraph. There will be another section coming and I'd like to stick with Level 3 headings. Cheers ): 康雍乾 (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC) 康雍乾 (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad to help :) — Hebrides (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi, can you create a new dab page, Hirth is also a surname, John Joseph Hirth, Hellmuth Hirth etc.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld

Done! See Hirth (surname)Hebrides (talk) 11:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot! Nice work and great help! Keep on working together. Just wrong information on that American Catholic University homepage, but thanks besides. Best wishes! Cir-ms (talk) 09:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. Can't trust these Universities! And that webpage looked so "official", I thought I'd found a good source. Never mind. — Hebrides (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Christian Initiative Romero[edit]

I was about to speedy this as spam when I saw you were helping the editor. I'll allow a bit of time to let you or the editor make it less promotional and more encyclopaedic. I'll also soft block the username (normally it would be a full block for spamusername). Hope this helps Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jimfbleak, thanks for dropping by. I did wonder about the article when I first saw it, but found the corresponding German Wikipedia article has been live since 2008, and the Spanish and Portuguese since 2009, so this article isn't breaking new ground – not in itself justification for an article on en, I'll admit, but an indicator nevertheless that it was worth turning into a proper article. It looks to me as if the editor just translated the German article.
But I wasn't convinced until I found a few references – de/es/pt may be happy without references, but I'm definitely not. There's a lot of stuff about this organisation on the web in German, but I'm not fluent enough to simply read it through, so I just put in a handful of English references to get it started. To be honest, I'm not going to be able to devote much time to this one for a day or two, but will revisit it and address the issues when time permits.
Incidentally, I have no prior knowledge of this organisation, and definitely no connection with them (in case you wondered). I just spotted the article when running AWB through new articles. Do you agree in principle that an article about this organisation has a place on English Wikipedia? — Hebrides (talk) 13:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm sometimes suspicious, but your intervention seemed just a generous offer of help. I'm not sure about notability, but I'd give it the benefit of the doubt if that was the only issue. I think foreign wikis often have different standards, and to be fair, it's not that difficult to find suspect articles on en-wiki either. Cheers, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hugh S. Jenkins[edit]

Please don't use the style book suggestion to change from 1929-1949 to 1929–1949 inside the |url=http..... field of Template:cite web. All it does is to create a broken link.
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Sorry – I really slipped up there. Thanks for spotting it and correcting. — Hebrides (talk) 11:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Your 15 June 2013 edit of the Bhirrana article[edit]

Hi, I noticed you edited the article on Bhirrana. I was curious why you added "& nbsp;" a few times in the source of the article? AFAIK all it does is produce a space, but why not just use a normal space? To me it seems they just make the text more unpleasant to read? --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 10:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I know what you mean about readability – sorry about that. But MOS:NBSP explains what it's all about, and contains the guidelines I was following. There's more info on WP:LINEBREAK. The downside is decreased readability when you're editing, but the plus is that the article is easier for users to read and understand. Does that make sense now? — Hebrides (talk) 11:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, now it does. I had always assumed these nbsp's were mistakes of some kind, so I removed them in many articles I have worked on (!). Now I regret the annoyance I must have caused for other editors... I wish this would be clearly explained to new editors, instead of being hidden in the depths of the arcane WP:MOS. I've already got close to 1,400 edits and this is the first time I noticed someone adding nbsp's deliberately. Silly me. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
No worries. I've put them all back in again for you. What an interesting mix of articles you've edited! Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Guihad Daoud[edit]

OK, done. Cheers, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 04:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for editing so many (hundreds?) of articles with your precise stylistic fixes. I assume you let AWB do it automatically for you're fixing so many articles, but I'm grateful nevertheless. AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks – really nice of you. AWB is a clever piece of software that takes the drudgery out of cleanup – have you tried it? It doesn't edit automatically, but makes suggestions which a real person (me) can then accept or decline. You can configure the rules it uses (for example, I've typed in a long list of regular expressions for the MOS changes I do), and then you can use it to trawl through sets of Wikipedia pages, letting it apply those rules to each page. For each page it shows you the result and then waits for you to click Save or Skip. You might find it useful. Whenever I've created a new page, I always run AWB on it to check and tidy up any little details that might have escaped me. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 08:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

wrong user[edit]

OOPs pressed wrong button (line above the one I wanted} thanks.--Petebutt (talk) 07:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggested article and apology[edit]

hi Hebrides! I've just seen on your sandbox that my name was there... thanks for making the article but I was able to grab it under my name of User:PatakaZikatuna in which that account was infinitely blocked. ... so mind to recover this article User:Hebrides/Vell Baria .. I am so sorry.. so it's now up to you what to do with that article. --Vell Retiza Baria (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


Hi, can you convert this page into a dab page?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Not converted; added Clift (disambiguation) instead. — Hebrides (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Van Helden[edit]

Hello Hebrides. I see you have made a lot of additions etc. on cleaning up my submitted article. Greatly appreciated-thanks. TimothyWF (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

  • dates
  • years
  • commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
  • common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

Thanks and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tony, and thanks for dropping by on my talk page to give guidance as to what should not be wikilinked. Did you have any particular edit of mine in mind? I seem to spend a lot of my editing time in Category:Dead-end_pages trying to make edits to justify the removal of the "dead end" tag. Most articles present plenty of opportunities for the insertion of really useful wikilinks, but I must admit that there have been a few where I have simply linked a couple of geographical locations in order to justify removing the tag.
I generally try to follow WP:UNDERLINK and WP:OVERLINK. Let me address your bullet points specifically.
  • I never link dates or years – in fact, I've added a collection of regex patterns to my copy of AWB to remove links from dates and years – see, for example, this edit.
  • The "names of major geographic features and locations" should not be linked, according to WP:OVERLINK – I find this wording more useful than your reference to "commonly known" because what is commonly known depends whether you live in Wellington, Agra, Ontario, Liverpool, or wherever. Maybe I am guilty sometimes of overlinking these, as in my recent edit to Iman al-Qahtani – however, in this case the Saudi Arabian political context is so crucial to an understanding the article that a link to the country is, I think, helpful to some of our readers in this regard. This is consistent with WP:UNDERLINK which says that links should be made to "relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully".
  • When it comes to what you describe as "common terms you’d look up in a dictionary", some of these will indeed be covered by "everyday words understood by most readers in context" (WP:OVERLINK). However, there is also provision in WP:UNDERLINK for technical terms, jargon or slang expressions/phrases to be linked, for which it recommends links to appropriate articles or to Wiktionary.
I'm sure you've come across frustrating articles which some zealous editor has packed full of totally pointless links to fingers, kilograms, water, moon, child, etc. What it really comes down to is whether my link is going to enrich readers' experience of Wikipedia, save them time, and maybe facilitate a broader exploration of a topic than they might otherwise have undertaken.
Sorry to ramble on so much. It's been fascinating to "meet" you by reading your user page (I share your opinion about Bach, by the way). I'd be interested to know if there was a particular edit of mine that prompted you to visit my talk page. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I shouldn't have pasted boilerplate text onto an experienced editor's page. Mostly I do that for relatively new editors—or those who come in from foreign-language WPs to create articles they've newly translated into English. Other WPs have a less strategic approach to wikilinking, in my experience. This was the edit, where the script unlinked a number of common "dictionary" words and other well-known terms.

Nice to meet you!

Tony (talk) 03:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Ha. That explains it. The links removed in this edit weren't done by me at all – they were in the original article created by Huangdan2060, and I fully agree with their removal. Take a look at my only edit to that article, which I don't think will give any cause for concern. No worries — Hebrides (talk) 07:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Ohconfucius has developed the common-terms script, which has been continually updated (sometimes items are removed; more often they're added). He points out that the words are in categories, and one needs to know how to read regexes to fully understand the items. I run that script and the dash script and the date-format script, together, and manually inspect and tweak. Just now I'm working on "writer", which is linked almost 15,000 times. Eek. Tony (talk) 08:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • This is a test page that I created some time ago. Although it is no longer maintained, you will get a good idea of what will typically be unlinked by my script. Some words or terms have been added, some removed, and some contextualised (so are removed if, for example, preceded by square brackets). Try installing the script for yourself. The script itself is here, and the documentation here. I'm always looking for feedback on how to do the job better and cleaner, so if there are any terms that you believe should be added or removed, or only under specific circumstances, please let me know. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 08:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


User:Hebrides/Skudeneshavn International Literature and Culture festival. Dlohcierekim 13:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :) — Hebrides (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox sailor[edit]

I like to apologies for the work I caused you on my sailors topics. I took an example somewere and used that as base for mine contributions not investigating the standard. Thank you for the corrections.NED33 (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem, NED33. You did a lot of hard work, and I just did a little. Teamwork is what Wikipedia is all about – it's good to work with you on this. It wasn't too much work – using AWB meant I could click through the amendments quite quickly. All the date formatting rules are in WP:DATEFORMAT. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Still it must been a lot of typing:-) Thanks for the pointer I will learn eventually.NED33 (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

AFL infobox[edit]

Hi Hebrides. Thanks for your edits to the AFL footballers David Brown and Gary Frangalas. Just something to be aware of when editing anyone with Template:Infobox AFL biography, the parameter "games(goals)" can't have a space in between. Jevansen (talk) 01:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added that as an exception to my regex – also for "nationalgames(goals)", "coachgames(wins)" and "soogames(goals)". I've tested it and this seems to eliminate the problem. Thanks for pointing it out and repairing my errors. — Hebrides (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant. Thanks for doing that. Jevansen (talk) 09:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Francis Child (Lord Mayor)[edit]

Please be careful with cleanup: blanket formatting may break wikilinks (and external links). - Altenmann >t 21:53, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Also don't do (1684?-1740) --> (1684-1740) : the question mark is for a reason (and in the source, too). - Altenmann >t 21:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Altenmann, for correcting my erroneous change to that link. My mistake.
As for the change from (1684?-1740) to (c. 1684-1740), I was aiming to follow the guidelines in WP:DATERANGE in the section Uncertain, incomplete, or approximate dates, which seems to me to indicate that the use of a question mark with dates should be avoided in favour of one of the other forms detailed in that section. I felt that c. 1684 conformed to the MOS in this circumstance. Have I misunderstood this? Sincerely — Hebrides (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, bad eyes; did not notice 'c.', distracted by missing '?'. You were right in this case. - Altenmann >t 22:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Hello. The reason I added a wikilink to United States for American is that America is a whole continent. In common parlance, it means the US, but not for everyone. If someone from Latin America reads this, it will be confusing for them, because they will think America means...the continent of America. Does this make sense?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Zigzig20s, and thanks for dropping by. For what it's worth, here is my interpretation of the Manual of Style...
If an aspect of an article is considered confusing or ambiguous, it is not recommended that we make the reader follow a link to resolve the confusion. The basic principles of linking are in WP:BTW and following sections; as it says, Ask yourself, "How likely is it that the reader will also want to read that other article?" There is also a section listing items which should not be linked, which includes "the names of major geographic features and locations; languages; religions; common occupations..."
For example, the article William James Blacklock explains that he spent many years in Cumwhitton. I wikilinked the place name in the article because anyone interested in the artist may also want to read more about the place where he lived and worked. If, however, there were two completely different places called Cumwhitton, I would not rely on a link to tell the reader which one; instead, I would make sure I not only linked to the right one, but also make it clear in the article (e.g. by putting something like "Cumwhitton, Cumberland").
Hope that helps. — Hebrides (talk) 19:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, Hebrides, for all your wikignoming activities, which are both noticed and appreciated. You rock! Rosiestep (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, and nice of you to drop by. The simple act of appreciating what someone else does can mean a lot, so thank you for this. I enjoy what I do, but it's all the more enjoyable when someone makes me realise that my efforts are not just an insignificant drop in the ocean. — Hebrides (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


I'd like to point out that adding/removing infoboxes is still a controversial subject, and should be done with the utmost care. Please check, before adding one, whether the infobox is necessary, or whether it is just decorative to please your own taste. If you add an infobox, I'd beg you to transcribe the info correctly from the text of the article into the box. Kraxler (talk) 14:54, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Sincere thanks for this. I was unaware of the controversy, since I tend to include infoboxes on new articles that I write, but your comments have prompted me to read MOS:INFOBOX. In my recent edits I was populating the infobox with the data in the persondata section, supplemented with text copied and pasted from the body of the article – and moving any appropriate image into the infobox when there is one in the article. Did I transcribe incorrectly? If so, apologies and thanks for checking.
I was operating on the principle that since the "birth date and age" or "death date and age" templates calculate age information that is often omitted from the article, it would be useful to add. They also create hidden date metadata which software tools can access and use. These advantages seemed to me to justify the addition of infoboxes, as long as the number of data items in the box was not so few as to make it look trivial. Is that reasonable? Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
On a few occasions you omitted the full stop/period after the middle initial (might be British usage) in American names in the infobox. The info entered at "occupation" is sometimes a bit doubtful, I'm not sure whether politicians or judges might be better off with an Infobox politician or Infobox judge (if there is some such thing). In my personal opinion, the infobox should not be bigger than the main body of text of an article... Cheers. Kraxler (talk) 16:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks – this is very useful. I've checked back and found one or two articles like Horace C. Young where the infobox gave the name as Horace C Young. The missing period arose because the persondata gave the name as "Young, Horace C" without a period after the C. Now that I'm alert to this, I have an extra check built into my workflow.
Your helpful comments have prompted me to revise my general criteria for infobox addition. Now I tend to add an infobox only when there is an image of the person, or occasionally where there is a full complement of data fields about the person. I would agree that a tiny infobox with just a couple of dates in it is untidy and adds no value. I also understand your preference for avoiding oversized infoboxes in small articles, and agree in principle. However, creating a strict criterion on this basis is difficult because the "size" of the article depends on window size, screen resolution, and even the type of device used to view the article – and, of course, may change as soon as anyone edits it. But I'll certainly think again before using an infobox that pushes the footers down and leaves a large area of white at the end of an article. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent Edits[edit]

Hi, Hebrides. You recently helped edit Michele Colucci, an article I wrote, and I would appreciate if you would please consider contributing to the ongoing discussion about possible deletion of this article. Thank you. --Vindeniträden (talk) 21:41, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Vindeniträden, nice to hear from you. When I read your message I took a look to see if I could firm up the case for keeping this article – as WP:GNG says, "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". However, there seem to be several people called Michele Colucci, and your article doesn't include indentifying data like date of birth, so I'm finding it quite confusing and difficult to establish notability for the right Michele Colucci. A search on VIAF gives eight people called Michele Colucci, and the one associated with The skulls II, 2001 is actually called "Colucci-Zieger, Michele" – is this her? There are several books by Michele Colucci on this search on Google Books but which of these are relevant to the article?
I think one thing that might help would be for the references to include publisher information – if you cite an article in the New York Times which is specifically about a person, for example, that's good evidence that the person is "notable", using the term in the Wikipedia criteria sense. Aim for references to significant articles in reliable high profile sources and use this in your comments on the AfD discussion page. The AfD discussion is less about an assessment of the person than it is about whether she specifically satisfies the criteria for notability that Wikipedia has defined. Hope that helps. — Hebrides (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much for these suggestions. Yes, my reading of the source material is that Michele Colucci (f) is formerly Colucci-Zieger (sp?) on the following bases (if I recall correctly): (1) Colucci Films was formerly Zieger (sp?) Films, according to Michele Colucci’s LinkedIn page; (2) the U.S. patent—connected with, which cites Michele Colucci as its founder and CEO—is attributed to Colucci–Zieger (sp?); and (3) Michele Colucci has some notability for divorce support, circumstantial evidence which could relate to a name change. I believe many of the publications belong to a different Michele Colucci, an Italian man. I’ll see what else I can figure out. --Vindeniträden (talk) 13:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, on that basis (and the name on the patent documentation) I have added an Authority control template to the page, with WorldCat, VIAF and LCCN links. I also added a book reference regarding her film work. I've changed references to her in the article to use her surname, in accordance with WP:SURNAME and put the film titles in italics. — Hebrides (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

AWB edit to Iceland[edit]

I noticed that you edited the article Iceland through AWB. Why did you replace space characters with the NBSP entity? Stefán Örvar Sigmundsson (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Stefán Örvar and thanks for getting in contact. I try to follow MOS:NBSP for non-breaking spaces. I know it makes the edit view a little more awkward to read, but it has the potential to improve readability of the displayed page, which is, after all, what we are trying to achieve. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of that MOS rule. Stefán Örvar Sigmundsson (talk) 21:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Metropolitan school of the arts[edit]

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Vorpal (disambiguation)[edit]

Hello, Hebrides. You recently edited Vorpal (disambiguation), removing a link to Epyx Fast Load. The style guide you cited, MOS:DABENTRY, specifies "exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers" per entry. This does not include non-existent (red) links such as Epyx Vorpal. I have therefore undone your edit. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 12:13, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for picking up on this one and correcting it. A clear case of PEBKAC. However, are you sure that Epyx Vorpal warrants its own article (see MOS:DABRL)? If not, it should be unlinked, leaving Epyx Fast Load as the only link on the line. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Epyx Fast Load links to Epyx Vorpal; that satisfies the standard of DABRL. I have no idea whether the software is notable, and would have no problem with someone more knowledgeable than me removing both the red link and the DAB entry. (Note, too, the hatnote on Vorpal sword linking to Epyx Fast Load.) Cnilep (talk) 00:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Circular wikilink[edit]

In this edit you created a link in Emergency medical technician – intermediate to Advanced Emergency Medical Technician, but the later is a redirect to the former. If you are using some kind of automation, please make an appropriate adjustment. I have not repaired the article. Thanks. Jc3s5h (talk) 08:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've unlinked it and will implement a way of checking wikilinks before inserting. — Hebrides (talk) 11:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


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words soft and sweet
Thank you, tireless editor, whistling Stavinsky and contributing in many languages including silence, for quality articles on education, culture and related biographies, such as Jiří Hudec, for prolific page creation, such as the Sarawak settlements, disambiguation and redirects, for quoting "make sure your words are soft and sweet – you may have to eat them tomorrow", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 771st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were recipient no. 771 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Three years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Sanghyang Adi Buddha[edit]

Hi :) may i ask you a BIG favor please? :( I just finished Sanghyang Adi Buddha article. Please can you check my translation? i know i'd made so many grammatical errors, but i can't find it by myself. thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okkisafire (talkcontribs) 08:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Okkisafire, and thanks for getting in touch. Yes, I'll certainly take a look at this article, but it may not be for a few days – busy at present. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 09:35, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Reference formatting - James Maxey[edit]

Hi Hebrides, any idea what happened at James Maxey? Specifically: I renamed the various references here to make them more intuitive and reusable. I made a few more intermediate edits, then wham, they're back to strange again an hour later. Might there have been a situation where you had AWB open for a while? What am I missing? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

No mystery here. Your helpfully renamed references are still helpfully renamed. What confused you was that I revisited the page, found that an editor had added some more bare links, and filled out those links in my characteristically obscure way. I must apologise for the unfriendly ref names – I've managed to extend AWB to fill out references, but haven't figured out a simple way yet of generating friendly intuitive ref names that are nevertheless unique (some pages have lots of very similar references, and I need to make sure that they all get unique ref names). I currently use the .NET GetHashCode() method, which is where those arcane numbers come from. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Ah, okay, perfect! I was clearly missing something. :) Thanks for the explanation. BTW, as a new user of AWB, I'm finding it pretty neat, so anybody who's figuring out ways to make it better deserves a thanks. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you about AWB – a brilliant tool. For a long time, my favourite way of getting it to do what I wanted has been to add more and more to the "Find and replace" list on the options tab, using regular expressions. However, I've recently discovered how to use the "Make module" feature on the Tools menu – it's amazing, because it lets you write and insert custom C# code which edits a page in any way you like. This opens up really powerful possibilities. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Do you know of any simple primers? The manual is a little brain intensive. I'm not a programmer, just an eager user. One thing I'd like to do is be able to go into articles and have text flagged in AWB with certain expressions. For example (I posted this on the AWB talk page), per WP:EUPHEMISM, articles should not contain "passed away", they should say "died". I know with find/replace I can replace the text, but I'm more interested in the FIND aspect. Like, just tell me that the phrase is on the page so I can decide whether or not I want to do anything about it, as sometimes it appears in quotations, and I can't change those. I'd rather not have the default be "replace". Any thoughts about how to do that? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for delay in replying. I actually use AWB the way you describe. I have lots of find/replace entries (about 150 actually), but I don't accept all the changes that AWB finds in an article. When you get the "difference" view after clicking Start, if you double click on a paragraph in the top part of the window it then reverses the changes suggested for that paragraph. If you single click in a paragraph, the edit box (bottom right) jumps to the paragraph, and you can edit in there, so you can keep some changes and undo or alter others. I often find that most of the suggested changes are correct, but there are a few that I don't want to do, so I just edit them in that bottom right window. The Preview button (just below Start and Stop) lets you see what your changed page will look like before you click Save. Hope that helps. — Hebrides (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Latin adjectives in current use[edit]

Category:Latin adjectives in current use, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 07:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for the Junior Abrams update! Antonio Martin (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

ref name="ref310761598"[edit]

Hi, You appear to be using some feature (?) of the referencing software that assigns unique ref names?
But the names are absurd.
These named references are not even being reused within their articles. Even if they were reused, RefA, RefB, RefC, and so on is a lot clearer to any subsequent editor than trying to match up several 9-digit numbers.
Cheers, (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, and nice to hear from you. Yes, I admit I am totally to blame for the unmemorable ref names. OK, so this is how it arises: I find all the bare URLs in a WP page, I replace each with a properly filled out "cite web" template by retrieving the target webpage and analysing it, and then I need to give the ref a unique ref name. So how do I generate a unique ref name? The WP page might be large (some pages have seventy or eighty references) and many of the references may already have names. There might already be a RefA, RefB, RefC etc. in the existing references, as well many other short words. To attempt the task of harvesting and analysing all the existing ref names on a page, in order to be sure of creating new ones that are unique, is excessively complicated. Instead, I used the standard .NET GetHashCode() method on the URL, which does a pretty good job of returning a unique integer. If you can come up with a straightforward algorithm that would do a better job, I'd be most grateful – do send it across.
Come to think of it, is it any more absurd to have to refer to a reference as "ref310761598" than it is to have to refer to you as "" ;)
Thanks for taking the trouble to get in touch. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi again. Well, you can't rule out the possibility that I may be a senior editor forced to operate incognito, and that is always the case with any IP user. There have been IP users proposed for adminship, eh.
Well, how does Derek do it? He's the king of this sort of thing. I can't speak definitively and unequivocally, but I can't say that I have ever noticed Derek creating reference names of this type.
Anyway, this was naturally intended as quite a mild criticism; the important thing is that you're resolving these problems. But somehow Derek does it without introducing this added degree of complexity. I have no notion of his technique.
Regards, (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for starting me thinking about this. I've now implemented a solution that I'm happy with, which constructs ref names from the domain name of the target. I start by collecting all the existing ref names in the page so that I can then check my ref names are unique. For multiple references on the same domain, I simply appended a digit (like sfgate2, sfgate3, etc) – I toyed with the idea of combining domain name with page name, but this can make the ref names very long.
I've written it in such a way that it also retrospectively replaces all the "absurd" ref names I've been inserting in the past – see, for example, this edit – so I'm going back and revisiting all my edits over recent months. Thanks for making contact. — Hebrides (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

AWB questions[edit]

Hi Hebrides, I'm sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if I could bend your ear for an AWB question. I recently got this request to not use the {{stub}} template, but instead, try to better classify the stub. I made the edit via AWB and used whatever the default recommendation was. Do you know of a good way to do this? My AWB is basically a default install with a few find/replace rules going on. If there are better ways to add categories and stubs and stuff, I'm all ears. I've looked at some of the plug-ins, but I think there are only like five, and none of them seem too interesting, and also I'm afraid of effing something up by mistake. Thanks in advance, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Cyphoidbomb, good to hear from you. That's an interesting question. I know AWB doesn't do stub sorting by default, so your question prompted me to consider whether it could be made to do so using Tools > Make Module and crafting some code to do it. However, having looked at the enormous number of stub types in WP, I cannot imagine how one would write code that would automatically work out which stub template would be the most appropriate for any given article. It may be possible to base the stub type on the page's categories (if it has any) but it seems to me that the task of automating this process is by no means trivial because of the vast number of possibilities.
I guess you could try a few find/replace rules for specific categories, using a regex search that used lookahead/lookbehind to recognise particular categories in the page and replaced {{stub}} with a more specific template. What do you think? — Hebrides (talk) 07:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Breaking of Wikisource reference[edit]

Please that this edit broke a reference to Wikisource. Editing within templates with AWB is not good practice. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Charles. I should have spotted this one. Maybe I should switch off editing within templates, but I do sometimes find badly formatted dates in infoboxes, etc., that I correct with AWB. However, I need to be more vigilant when doing this. Thank you for repairing the damage I did. — Hebrides (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Format of "Access date"[edit]

Hallo, thanks for cleaning up some bare URLs in this edit, but I see that you've given the accessdate in the form "2014-04-07". There's a problem with this: it's inconsistent with the date format already in use in this article, for ref 7, which has "accessdate=6 April 2014". While either format is allowed for "accessdate", there should be consistency within any one article. I'll go through and change them to the format used for ref 7. PamD 16:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Pam, and thanks for tidying up after me! My mistake. I based the date formatting in my page-trawling and reference-expanding code around MOS:DATEFORMAT and my understanding of MOS:DATEUNIFY. However, as you rightly point out, my error is that I don't check for existing accessdate values already in the page in order to emulate their date formatting. I think what I need to do is to loop through all existing accessdate dates in the page (if any) and analyse the date format they use, then make sure that the accessdates in the expanded references that I insert are in the same format. Do you agree? It's clear from MOS:DATEUNIFY that the accessdates only have to be consistent among themselves – they don't have to be the same date format as other dates in the article (one of the acceptable examples is Jones, J. (20 Sep 2008) ... Retrieved 2009-02-05). If there are none, I'll default to the current YYYY-MM-DD. — Hebrides (talk) 21:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This is now implemented. When I expand references, I now format the accessdate to match the first pre-existing accessdate already on the page, if any. Well spotted. — Hebrides (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I've been developing the page for Karen Alter with some effort. Thanks for the help - I've updated the page a little more if you're still feeling helpful :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cchessman (talkcontribs) 21:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I've expanded the new references you included. Thanks for all your hard work! — Hebrides (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Slow down and enjoy the articles[edit]

Please don't take this in a negative way because it's not, and you do tons of great edits, but AWB is a bit like a Ferrari. On the Bolivar, Monroe County, Mississippi (I just created the article), you added a link to the New Hope Primitive Baptist Church, which is almost 700 miles away. I peeked at a few edits you did before Bolivar, and on Patrick Duffy (murder victim) you added a dablink to the Special Powers Act. Slow down and enjoy the articles! Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi again. After I left you that message I noticed a lot of lists on your talk page telling you about disambiguation links your edits have created. For example, on April 6th you made an edit to Allan Ray and added a link to Big East Tournament. You were told about this on April 8th. Why would you make a bunch of new edits without first fixing the errors you created through your previous edits? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Hello Magnolia677 – jolly nice of you to drop by. Hmmm, bit of a backlog on the old dablink reports, eh? – I do work my way through them, and have now caught up – remembered to delete them from my talk page this time too. My problem with this splendid AWB Ferrari is that I've been trying to make it fly! That Make module on the AWB Tools menu tempts you with an edit box of apparently unlimited capacity that you can cram with ingenious C# code, and most of my code works just fine, filling out bare URLs, deleting obsolete orphan tags, reformatting dates and applying obscure MOS rules. But my wikilinking code has been giving me grief, and after your tactful censure I'm scrapping any attempt at automated link insertion. I do like a challenge, but tackling the impossible is a guaranteed route to failure! I'll stick to tasks that can be semi-automated... Thanks again. — Hebrides (talk) 21:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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Dear Herbrides,

Thank you so much for your kind help. I am waiting for such an adjustment for a long time! Appreciated. The day you help on the page 'Zizhu chuangxin' is actually my birthday. What a grace to me. Thank you! I will work hard. All the best on your work and health! KSRLai (talk) 07:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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I really appreciate your filling out of references at 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. Hence, I award you this barnstar. RGloucester 17:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks fir your help on the Artslav page! Fellow Cyclist YellowFratello YellowFratello (talk) 18:16, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


Take a look at Soraya Post. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems OK to me. — Hebrides (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
And Lars Adaktusson. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
References were just bare URLs and the Persondata had no description. I've done them. — Hebrides (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Your clean-up efforts[edit]

I've seen that you've done a lot of clean-ups and fixing citations and stuff, lately. Great work! :) --ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Bangalore Chennai Shatabdi Express[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your help & assistance for expanding the links i have posted. I needed your assistance on an issue on Bangalore Chennai Shatabdi Express. Another user has been removing the links & references posted. I need a second opinion on his actions. Could you help??

Some of his brilliant thoughts - Mumbai central image to Surat railway station's article.[8]

Its a historic problem between us. Recently there was a discussion on whether detailed time tables should exist on train articles & several editors talked together on it without even once referring to any policy, i mean it was just editors talking to each other but this big quoter of policies just tucked in his tail between his legs & scooted out of there. Superfast1111 (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Superfast1111. Personally, I'd be astonished if I opened the pages of, say, Encyclopaedia Britannica and found a train timetable in there! Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a travel website. It also shares with all wikis the fact that nobody owns a page, and nobody has any particular responsibility to keep it up-to-date. So if I did find a train timetable in Wikipedia, I wouldn't believe it.
As for contention between editors, it always surprises me that our amazing international, diverse and random collection of editors can agree at all. The degree of consensus and teamwork is truly remarkable. Differences of opinion do arise, and it is not worth losing sleep over them (or letting them elevate your blood pressure). Let's concentrate on correcting inaccuracies, and unless someone is editing in a truly malicious fashion and trying to sabotage the project, it's best to assume good faith. There's plenty of room in here for all of us. And it's a mistake to imagine that another editor is like you. They might be male or female, they might be middle aged, teenager, student, old enough to be your mother, or even in their nineties; maybe a professor, farmer, doctor, truck driver, politician, market trader or housewife. Some are going through hard times – bereavement, backruptcy or disability. Others may simply be lonely or depressed. Let's be kind to each other – life is too short to squander it on spreading ill-feeling — Hebrides (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you on almost all your points. We had a discussion about timetables on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Timetables - existence and convention and while mine was the only dissent, i have not put a timetable in any of the subsequent articles i have created.

You were very right about your last line. Life is too short to despise people who cant help what they are doing. I decided to spend my time creating more articles on trains (train travel is something i am extremely passionate about) & uploading images on commons. You cant please everyone. At last count, its 179 articles & 998 images.

But anyway, try to take a look at Bangalore Chennai Shatabdi Express & Pushpak Express if you can. I would appreciate it.

Superfast1111 (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I took a look. I've also gone through a few of the train articles, filling out bare references and doing some minor tidying – I hope this meets with approval.
Regarding Bangalore Chennai Shatabdi Express & Pushpak Express, my considered opinion is that it depends on how you interpret a concept that is at the core of all Wikipedia work – that of WP:Verifiability. I don't know about you, but I go back to that page repeatedly, especially when I am creating new articles.
What it says is quite remarkable: you mustn't put something into Wikipedia just because it's true. The fundamental principle is that "the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth". Actually, I humbly recommend you read the WP:Verifiability page again, as I just did – it just reminds us of the importance of "reliable" sources (using Wikipedia's definition of reliable) and of inline citations. The Wikipedia principle is quite categorical: "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." and "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed…"
My own reaction on going through some of the railway articles was that there are plenty of facts, fewer of what Wikipedia calls "reliable sources", and hardly any inline citations. So I think that this is an area that editors could concentrate on with regard to these articles. What do you think? — Hebrides (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
One of the major problems with train articles is the extreme flexibility with which Indian Railways operates. For example: Mumbai Rajdhani Express & August Kranti Rajdhani Express routinely get either WAP 5 or WAP 7 engines. Trains routinely get coaches added/removed depending on the demand on that particular day. So not only do you have flexibility with traction, you also get them with number of coaches. Any tips on how to solve the verifiability issue there other than actually standing at the railway station & look at passing trains??

Superfast1111 (talk) 06:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Non-breaking spaces[edit]

In this edit to Oxygen therapy you inserted numerous non-breaking spaces with the edit summary "... non-breaking spaces per WP:NBSP ...", but neither WP:NBSP nor MOS:UNIT #Unit names and symbols suggests using non-breaking spaces between numerals and fully written unit names. The non-breaking space is only mandated between numerals and unit symbols (such as km or kg) because we don't want to start a line with an abbreviation; that simply does not apply to normal words such as litres, metres, etc. Unnecessary use of non-breaking spaces makes the wiki-text more difficult to read and can also make the display on mobile devices less readable. Please review your use of AWB, because it seems from your contributions that you are making the same mistake on multiple articles and causing significant clean-up work for other editors. --RexxS (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Greetings, RexxS. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was sorely disheartened when I read the above and discovered that you classed my long painstaking hours of editing as little better than vandalism. However, after ruminating for a few days, I decided that it's ludicrous for me to imagine that I might have invented such a rule, and that although your assertion about the rule is currently true, it must have changed since I first started making these edits. A quick search showed that the old rule is still quoted in numerous places (though I may have got the WP:NBSP source wrong), like the following on Talk:Assam: "Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space - &nbsp; between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 000 feet , use 000 feet , which when you are editing the page, should look like: 000&nbsp;feet ." I have neither the time nor the inclination to plough back through changes to the MOS to determine when the change occurred, so will simply concede that I have been assiduously applying an obsolete rule. Please be assured that my edits were all made in good faith, and I have now updated my editing practice to reflect the current WP:NBSP. Also, since reading your message, in my determination to avoid what you refer to as "significant clean-up work for other editors" I have crafted a set of repair regexes and used AWB to trawl back through several thousand of my most recent edits, undoing these changes wherever they occurred. — Hebrides (talk) 21:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi Hebrides, I'm sincerely sorry that I gave you the impression that I was accusing you of anything like vandalism - that is always a deliberate, malicious attempt to damage the encyclopedia. I honestly believed your edits were always good-faith, but mistaken. The annoying thing from my point of view is that this isn't the first time I've had to raise the issue. The last time I took it up at AWB and was promised they would ensure the default settings wouldn't cause the problem.
Anyway, I'm grateful that you've been able to amend your AWB regexes and have gone over your previous edits. Keep up the good work! --RexxS (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to Dan Gernatt Farms[edit]

Thanks for your edits on this article. Sorry, I typically type using two spaces between sentences. That is how I learned to type, and it has been difficult to "unlearn" it. I also appreciate your references clean-up. Thanks very much, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 19:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! I learnt on a typewriter too (many moons ago) and was reprimanded if I didn't do double spaces. I had to get out of the habit when I started using a wordprocessor. I love your userpage, and appreciate your dropping by to make contact. Thanks for all that you do for Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate your reply and compliment on my user page - I've spent alot of time to make it colorful, creative, and inviting. :-) I see you also worked on cleaning up Brian Higgins; thanks for that, too. Best, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 22:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

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I see you have been busy, with also editing Brian Higgins, Gowanda, New York, and likely many more! Thanks again, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 22:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


hi i need info about AWB.

Sulaimandaud (talk) 00:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sulaimandaud. There's a load of information on Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser and pages linked from there. AWB is good for doing repetitive edits; it can check spellings and do general fixes. And you can add your own checks into it to extend its functionality – you can add terms to search and replace (including Regular expressions if you're into that kind of thing), and you can also add C# code to do custom changes (under Tools > Make module) – that's how I make most of my changes. Was there any specific info you needed? – Hebrides (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping out with the Forezine (Anime Magazine) article Carlo ramos08 (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Arnait Video Productions[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Michelle Parkerson[edit]

Thank you from the DYK project and me Victuallers (talk) 12:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

May Hill[edit]

Thanks for helping with the refs on the article May Hill (horse). I get a bit lost when reflinks goes down. Tigerboy1966  20:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Using AWB for neat Reference[edit]

Please how can I create reference using awb so that it will be neat like you did with Salisu Buhari? I do not understandd the dispute involved in the article since even bbc have an article on it. MyUsernameHasAlreadyBeenUsed (talk) 22:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and nice of you to drop by. AWB doesn't have that ability built in. But what I like about AWB is that you can extend it to do virtually anything you want.
When I first pulled down the Tools menu and discovered the Make module option, I was excited to find that you get a text box of seemingly unlimited capacity that you can fill with C# code which then gets applied to every page you edit. Amazing! All I had to do was learn C#. It's still work in progress, but the section I'm writing to create references takes roughly the following approach: it searches the current page source for bare URLs using regular expressions; then for each one found it downloads the target page, then retrieves the page title and other metadata (if present) from the downloaded html; it finally constructs a cite web expression using what it has found and inserts it into the current page. A number of issues remain – pdf files need special treatment and their metadata rarely contains what it should, some webpages give me character encoding problems with things like Japanese and Russian, and some URLs just give me a page that says "No cookies" (which is true, but not very helpful). But I'm slowly getting there — and it's fun to tinker around with. Are you into programming? — Hebrides (talk) 06:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I can't find any Make module option on the Tools section at the leftside of my webpage. I am quite familiar with c/c++ but know nothing about c sharp. I am willing and ready to learn about it to use AWB. since they all have C in their names I don't think transition should be difficult. I will hardly cite pdf files and I have no business with Japanese or Russian websites so I don't think I will face the challenges.MyUsernameHasAlreadyBeenUsed (talk) 12:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I mean the Tools menu in AWB. My AWB window has seven menus (File, View, List, Plugins, Options, Tools and Help) and I was referring to the top menuitem on the Tools menu which is called "Make module…". There's some introductory tutorial stuff at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Custom Modules that gives you some sample code to get started with. Like you, I started C# after many years' experience of wrestling with C and C++, and I learnt C# from the Language Specification, which you can download free from the download link on – however, it's a help if you have access to Microsoft Visual Studio for any serious software development... — Hebrides (talk) 14:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I am quite familiar with most of the syntax in Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Custom_Modules, I am a fast learner so I hope to start using AWB soon. It looks more like a conbination of Java and C family from my angle. But where do I run the codes to create modules? It is stated that "In order to login, choose File / Login (the sixth item from the top)..." I can't find any file or login on my page. How do I get the AWB window to start working? I have downloaded all the C sharp related links you provided. Thanks. MyUsernameHasAlreadyBeenUsed (talk) 19:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Have you got yourself up and running with AWB as on Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser (Register, Download, etc)? When you refer to your "page" I'm wondering if you are working in your browser. AWB is a standalone application that you download and run – it doesn't run in a web browser.
You mention Java... If you know Java, then you already know most of C# as they are very very similar. — Hebrides (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
By the way, I expect to be offline for the coming week – so if you message me and I don't respond, don't take it personally! :) — Hebrides (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I initially thought it was an additional application in Wikipedia. I will download and run it rightaway. I am very familiar with the basic syntax of Java but suck at major tasks. No P on going off-wiki for the week. thanks. MyUsernameHasAlreadyBeenUsed (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Mikhaylovich listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mikhaylovich. Since you had some involvement with the Mikhaylovich redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. ospalh (talk) 07:58, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

List of largest European cities in history[edit]

Hello my friend :) i just want to thank you for fixing all the bare URLs in the article. Much of it was my fault. But from now on there will be no more bare URLs from my side. Once again thank you my friend :) Lactasamir (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure. All part of the collaborative authoring that is the strength of Wikipedia. Let's build this thing together :) Best wishes — Hebrides (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Request for Intervention[edit]

User:Hebrides, Hi. There is a question about what is considered worthy or not worthy of publishing on a WP article page in terms of photos because of what may or may not be perceived by others as distasteful (bad taste). The editor, User:PacificWarrior101, had posted a Commons photograph of Israeli singer and transgender, Dana International, a photograph which I personally feel shows bad taste and tends to "flout" the dignity and self-respect of the Yemenite Jewish people. I voiced my concerns to the editor about my feelings of repugnancy evoked by the picture on a main article page, Yemenite Jews, that treats on ethnicity and, to a large extent, the history of Yemenite Jews. Most Yemenite Jews will feel a sense of shame by seeing this photo of "Dana International" on the page that speaks specifically about them as a people - and who, by the way, are mostly conservative to religious. While I have no personal problems about discussing issues of transgender, here the matter is different. Dana International's photograph on the main page of an article which treats on ethnicity is tantamount to putting up an image of a serial killer on an ethnicity page. Or, let's say, Israeli troops shooting at an Arab child, on a page which speaks on Israeli ethnicity. There should be a place for common considerations as for what is tactful and what is not, particularly when the photo is controversial and evokes shame. See the Talk page on Yemenite Jews, and the sub-section: "Flouting an Ethnic Group." Any advice will be much appreciated by you.Davidbena (talk) 19:12, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Davidbena, and thanks for dropping by and posing this interesting dilemma. In order to take a fresh look at this, I would like to make three points.
Firstly, I am disconcerted that you seem to be drawing parallels between being transgender and being a serial killer or murdering a child. If your logic stems from the thesis that these are somehow equally unacceptable, then this seriously undermines the foundation of your argument. What sources do you have that support this supposed equivalence?
Secondly, even supposing that there are people who regard murderers and transgender people as equally repugnant, the inclusion of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin in similar galleries makes the argument irrelevant.
Thirdly, let's tackle the question from the other end. What criteria would you propose we should use to determine whether a particular person is "good enough" to be included on such a gallery? Are you proposing that they should be virtuous, or patriotic, or conformist, or ethnically typical, or popular? Do they have to be "average"? Do you think we should exclude all eccentrics, mavericks, dissidents and iconoclasts? Personally, when I am looking at such galleries, it's the breadth of diversity that I find so striking and fascinating.
Hope that helps. It's just my own personal view. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Best regards, — Hebrides (talk) 20:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, there is nothing uncouth about showing a photo of Adolf Hitler in an article which speaks about WWII; or of Joseph Stalin during and after the Bolshevik revolution. These are all pertinent. However, where an article is primarily concerned with ethnicity, and one shows the "bad side of society" - whether sexual perverts or murderers or notorious thieves, it is all one and the same, namely, it tends to show disrespect to the ethnic group in question. Is this not logical to you?Davidbena (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
According to WP:Image use policy, "images are included in articles to increase the reader's understanding of the subject." With this view in mind, if a collage is meant to be a representation of the whole, then the picture of Yeron Cohen (alias "Dana International") is out of place. The insertion of that one photo does not aid in helping the reader's understanding of the subject.--Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and one more clarification, if you will. I had only made a correlation between them because they are seen as not "keeping" with the laws of good society. By the way, I have nothing personal against people born with a gender identity problem. In fact, I have - like a father - given counsel to people like this in the past (such as "Jazz," the famous American transgender youth and how to cope with his sexuality). What I am concerned with here is the portrayal or image that that one photo evokes in my mind (and in the minds of others) who see this picture on a page that is generally meant to discuss ethnicity and history.--Davidbena (talk) 23:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for helping out with the article about Mountain Rescue Service CR[edit]


thank you for helping me out with the article about Mountain Rescue Service of the Czech republic. You've been truly helpful. I learned a lot from your editing.

Thanks again!

--Bugi007 (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


First of all Merry Christmas to you! Could you please take a look at the article Carolina Neurath. Appreciate it!.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in reading this – I was having a Merry Christmas! Hope you did too. I looked at the article and it looks very good to me. Nice work! I have not edited the page, but I did update the Neurath (surname) page to include her, and also created a redirect from Anna Carolina Neurath. Wishing you a happy new year! — Hebrides (talk) 21:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi Hebrides! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 11:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, DerHexer, for alerting me to that. I've done it now. The process worked very smoothly — Hebrides (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Everything seems to be correct. :-) Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 22:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


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You may be need sensitive eye which is useful all the time.

Best wishes! Raycho Stanev (talk) 09:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Collin Croome[edit]

Hey Hebrides! I appreciate your help with the Collin Croome-Article, thank you. However, it still is listed for deletion. Everything is referenced within the Wikipedia article. Unfortunately I have not that much experience with Wikipedia, could you please tell me what to do now...? Thanks a lot! Azubi-Deluxe (talk) 10:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Royal College- Panadura[edit]

Just a quick note to advised you that I've placed a speedy delete on this article as it is a re-creation of numerous deleted articles. The previous deleted articles created by this editor and numerous sock puppets include Royal College (Panadura) Sri Lanka, Royal College, (Panadura) Sri Lanka, Royal College (Panadura), Royal College (Panadura.), Royal College - (Panadura) & Royal College, Panadura (Srilanka). This is a repeat offender who has been blocked but continues to create sock puppets to recreate versions of the same article. Dan arndt (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


Sorry I did not realise you were editing, it was an accident, please feel free to make the change again.suraj

Thanks for all your help with the page. Highly appreciated. Suraj Sharma (talk) 10:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Thank you very much for helping with the page KAZ Minerals! Aya Nurpeissova (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Requesting update for AvantCredit article[edit]

Hebrides: Requesting update for AvantCredit article. [1] Avant recently changed its name and migrated its site from to[2] Avant has more than 600 employees [3] Avant has more than $1 Billion in funding [4] On the subject of growth, Avant acquired of the Company Ready For Zero and has served more than 175,000 customers in 46 US states and the UK [5] Avant was #6 on Forbes America's Most Promising Companies list this year [6] Rrdsouza (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


Cheramar Christians[edit]

Dear Hebrides, I am Peter Thomas and I am new to Wikipedia. Once you directed and corrected me on my two earlier articles. Now I have written a new article about the Cheramar Christians of Kerala with a lot of reliable sources. But now Sitush has deleted the article stating some reasons, which are utterly baseless. And so can or will you please verify my Article "Cheramar Christians" for truthfully and genuinely finding facts related to the issues raised in deletion of the page. If you have a chance, I request you to kindly check the page. Because he has directed it to another article "Pulayar". But Pulayars of Kerala are SCs while Cheramar Christians are BCs, then how can it be redirected to an entirely different or wrong article, when one is there with clear history and truth? Cheramars are, in fact, SC, but Cheramar Christians are not, they are BCs. Kindly talk to me at the earliest of your convenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olickal Peter Thomas (talkcontribs) 04:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) There was a problem with the previous comment that prevented this one from being displayed. Fixed. Huon (talk) 01:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Huon.
Dear Peter Thomas, thanks for getting in touch. I can see a large number of edits have been made by Sitush, each with some form of justification, which is helpful. I understand that you are asking me to read your 48 references (some of which are long documents) and check whether the information you included in the article is "verifiable" under the Wikipedia definition of the term, and pass comment on each of the many edits which Sitush has made, some of which are questioning whether your sources are what Wikipedia defines as reliable. This would take a considerable amount of time, and I regret to have to say that I would not be able to undertake this. I have no knowledge of the subject area, so familiarisation with the subject matter would have to be undertaken from scratch using your referenced documents, many of which are not available online. My Wikipedia editing is very much a spare-time activity, fitted into a busy life schedule with many commitments. I would rather be honest with you, instead of promising to investigate but then letting you down. Maybe someone who has some familiarity with the subject matter, with more free time than myself, could undertake such a task and help you to enter into a meaningful dialogue with Sitush about this.
Thank you for your continued efforts to contribute to Wikipedia. Best wishes, Hebrides (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a Lot[edit]

Dear Hebrides, Thank you for your quick comments, I did not say that I am right, there are mistakes. But since there are number of Categories related to the article I wrote and also there are no even a word about this one of the majority caste of South India, in Wikipedia, he might have asked me to re-submit or remove all the unwanted and unjustifiable or unreliable links, references, bibliography or whatever. Am I right, why couldn't he do that or keep the first paragraph only, I repeat first paragraph only (where simply refer commonly to the caste and their presence. Am I right? I did not write derogatory or porn or ugly or anything such. Right? Only that much. If he doesn't know about the subject more why can't he leave it and then the crores people who read might correct it, since Wikipedia is a contribution of thousands, not Sitush alone. Why I say this, because he re-directed it to Pulayar, it is utterly wrong and mistake. Pulayars are always Hindus and not Christians and they are Scheduled Castes while Cheramar Christians are Christians not Hindus and they come under Other Backward COmmunities (OBCs) or (SEBCs).

Thank you for your great and calming and hopeful reply to me. I am really thankful and grateful to you. Lastly one request, Can I re-submit the Article to Wikipedia or I may submit to Sitush for inclusion? Please tell me, I am sorry I disturb and take much of your personal and professional valuable time. --Peter Thomas Olickal 18:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Peter Thomas Olickal 18:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olickal Peter Thomas (talkcontribs)

Filling out references[edit]

Thanks for filling out so many references. I notice that when you do so, you often remove the page link from the Google Books URL.[9] I believe the page link part (&pg=PA1315) should be left in as it makes verification much easier (clicking one link vs. clicking two links and scrolling manually until the right page is found). (talk) 07:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you – that's a really useful observation and I have now modified my AWB module code to include the page link part in the Google books URL – for example, in the second reference in this edit. Any further good ideas would be most welcome :) — Hebrides (talk) 13:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi there. Just letting you know that WP:PERSONDATA was deprecated, so it should not be added to new articles. I'll go ahead and take it out of Lloyd Fallers. Agtx (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks – that one slipped through. AWB was proposing the addition of persondata to lots of pages I was checking, and I then had to delete it manually in AWB before clicking Save – but I missed this one. Prompted by your message, I've checked and found that there is an optional update to AWB, which I have installed. This one doesn't add persondata. Thanks again — Hebrides (talk) 11:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for your edits on my Concert In Blue page! Appreciate the help, mate! AlaskaDave25 (talk) 18:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)ia

Nomination of Summer 2015 Invasion of Syria for deletion[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Cheers for the assist at Robert de Thweng Red Deathy (talk) 08:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Kalyan Muni[edit]

You recently edited Kalyan Muni; I wanted to let you know I've tagged it for speedy deletion under Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A10 as it is an attempt to go around the edit conflict at Kalanos, a solidly-cited page, by simply making a new page with the bad sources the user prefers. Ogress smash! 20:48, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


Thanks a billion for helping out with the references, I personally find them exhausting. Cheers! --Makeandtoss (talk) 21:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The Article About the Village of Yenidoğanlar[edit]

Thanks for the edits,but about the Musabeyli you linked,that is not the Village of Musabeyli i talked about,_Alapl%C4%B1 this is the turkish article for it,I went to both Musabeyli(in Alaplı) Yenidoğanlar and i just returned so the info i give are the current info. My heritage is from there.I see you are from Britain from your talk page and you might not understand Turkey well,especially the rural areas,but i do and if you know Turkish even a bit,please look at there — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaptaşHero (talkcontribs) 21:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, and sorry for the mistake. I have unlinked it. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia. —Hebrides (talk) 12:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I've just put an infobox and map on the page. Did I get the latitude and longitude correct? — Hebrides (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes you did got it correct,and the towns people are happy because this is the first village article in Alaplı District(maybe in Zonguldak Province too) to be written in English.(Gümeli is a municipality) KaptaşHero (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[edit]

Can you help me to solve

Problems from article

Sorry for the delay in replying. I'm pleased to see that you have managed to solve the problems. Nice article, and I was very encouraged to read how this initiative is helping farmers in the region. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia. Best regards, — Hebrides (talk) 19:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Requesting help for infobox- Diwakar Vaish page[edit]

Hi Hebrides! I wanted your help in the info boxi created in the page Diwakar Vaish as it does not seem to expand. I would be really glad if you could check it out and make a little fix Thanks for removing the orphan tag! Warm regards Jason Prost — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonprost (talkcontribs) 18:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Done! Parameter names in the infobox have to be exactly the right words, with no capital letters (things like "birth_date = ", not "Born"). You can find a full list of parameters on Template:Infobox person. Cheers! — Hebrides (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much Hebrides for adding the parameters for me! First round's on me tonight! ;) :D Another thing i noticed pretty cool (nothing serious though) that some people have the miniature Indian flag in front of their nationality, is it possible for me to edit the page and get that flag there? Either ways, thanks a lot! :D Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonprost (talkcontribs) 19:13, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Try some experiments with putting {{flag|India}} in the code of the page – does that do the kind of thing you want? — Hebrides (talk) 20:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Emídio Brasileiro[edit]

Hello Hebrides. Do you think just delete this page? Help improve it. thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I am puzzled as to why you are asking me about the idea of deleting the Emídio Brasileiro page. I was not the person who proposed its deletion. It would appear to be a matter of Wikipedia:Notability that is the point in question, and no amount of page improvement will address that. Wikipedia pages must be about subjects which satisfy the Wikipedia definition of notability – otherwise they get deleted. Do you have evidence from reliable sources that this person satisfies the Wikipedia notability criteria? If so, this needs to be clear within the article. In particular, it needs references from "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Hope that helps. Best wishes, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello Hebrides. Thank you! (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello Hebrides, You can help? Thank you! (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It worked! Also, i added inline citations so i really hope the infobox for 'inline citations' is no longer appropriate so i would be very glad if you could review it. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonprost (talkcontribs) 09:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Why do so many of the links on the page give 404 not found? This includes and and more. It doesn't help to establish the notability of the subject. I have found a reference to his work in a book and cited that. — Hebrides (talk) 20:47, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
       My friend. Thanks for your help. I made some changes . See if you 're getting good . Thank you! William (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of content from my page[edit]

Hello! Stuartyeates has deleted a lot of portion from my page "Diwakar Vaish" I would be more than glad if you could tell me if some of his deletions were justified if not all. Because even though i have provided many links he seems to be deleting material just like that, However i do have more links and i am working on getting those links ready, in the mean time I would be more than happy if you could help me out! Thanks! Jasonprost (talk) 19:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

When you edit Wikipedia, your edits go live worldwide immediately. It is therefore important to ensure that what you are publishing is well written and fully referenced before you click "Save page". All material published on Wikipedia needs to be what we call "Verifiable" – the Wikipedia meaning of the term is explained at Wikipedia:Verifiability. This goes hand-in-hand with you cross-referencing to what Wikipedia calls "Reliable sources" as defined at WP:SOURCE.
Whenever I am going to create a new page, I always spend a lot of time gathering reliable sources and then putting together the text that will be in the page, with adequate references, before I actually go and make a "live" page in Wikipedia. If you publish a half-written page, inadequately referenced, then other editors will try to remedy the situation by removing material that is not verifiable and deleting sources that are not of suitable quality. I usually write a text file (in Notepad actually) that I'm going to put into Wikipedia, and every so often I try pasting it into a blank Wikipedia page and clicking "Show preview" to see what it looks like, but then I don't "Save page" until I have completed the page. It's a method that works well.
I have no issues with what Stuartyeates deleted – he was following the Wikipedia:Verifiability guidelines. I know there's a lot to learn when you first start editing Wikipedia, but it's worth you reading through Wikipedia:Verifiability to avoid finding that some of your hard work gets deleted.
Hope that helps. By the way, are you related to RichardBoggan? Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 14:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Berny[edit]

A tag has been placed on Berny requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Wiki-psyc (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

So the page should be called Berny – you proposed deletion of the wrong one. You shouldn't have edited Berny (disambiguation) – it needs to be a redirect, in accordance with WP:HOWTODAB. I have changed it back to a redirect. But I am not allowed (as page author) to remove your Speedy Deletion tag on Berny. Please remove it. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I notified you. There are many places that this suggestion is not adhered to, but the WP:DABNAME is clear. Thanks. Wiki-psyc (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
When I first came across the howtodab rule, I found it confusing and started to "correct" them, until someone pointed me to WP:HOWTODAB. Now if I want to link from disambiguation page A to disambiguation page B, I have to create a redirect page "B (disambiguation)" that redirects to B, then link from A to "B (disambiguation)". It's strange, but has a certain convoluted logic to it. So on Halvdan, for example, I had to create five links to redirect pages instead of to real disambiguation pages. There are so many of these rules and policies to try to learn when you are getting into Wikipedia editing. Sorry if my comments were a little brusque to start with, but I had visions of a perfectly good page being deleted speedily as soon as an admin found it! Hope you weren't offended. Best wishes — Hebrides (talk) 07:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
We're good. I appreciate you taking the time to explain. Wiki-psyc (talk) 07:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Liga II[edit]

Thank you for your edits in Liga II. Can you help me to split the table from here 2006–07 Liga II in 2 separate tables because all the editions of Liga II have 2 separate tables for the 2 or 3 Series. Thank you.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 08:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


Any reason you're stalking my edits and making pointless ones with AWB? Please read the rules of use for AWB too. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Lugnuts and thanks for dropping by. Any reason you're separating the "date" from the "year" and omitting a year from the "date" parameter? Point taken about AWB – thanks. My bad. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 09:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Deaths in 2015 ref formats[edit]

Just letting you know that we don't do this there. Haven't for years. Check the talk archives to learn why. Thank you. — Wyliepedia 15:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Do the articles that follow this unusual convention have a recognisable distinguishing feature (like all being in the same Category, for example)? Until I know the answer to that, I will avoid articles whose titles start with "Deaths in..." as a start. Does the same apply to articles whose titles start with "Births in..."? Are there any others? Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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One Porter! Better Doppelbock![edit]

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Thank you! My pleasure — Hebrides (talk) 21:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


Hi. Thx for reviewing some of my newly written articles! Could please also review Akhetaa? That would be awsome! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nephiliskos – thanks for making contact. I've made a few small edits to Akhetaa, and I have also made minor changes to Pehernefer, Bikheris, Crocodile (pharaoh) and Giza writing board. They are only very small things, and your articles are well written and make interesting reading. I particularly like the thoroughness of your referencing – too many WP editors seem to regard referencing as an optional extra, but, as we both know, it is fundamental to the essence of what Wikipedia is. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia — Hebrides (talk) 08:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Request to review new article[edit]

Hi, recently I created this article . I'm not sure how to get it reviewed. Its my first article on Wikipedia. I noticed you made a few corrections to it. Thanks for that. Can you review it or guide me on how to get it reviewed?

Regards, Adesh Chopade. Adesh31 (talk) 07:38, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Adesh. I've reviewed it and removed the tag. I also did some very minor changes, and added a few more categories at the bottom. This is a very good first article – thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Happy to help — Hebrides (talk) 12:24, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I will try to make less mistakes next time. Adesh31 (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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for some good catches on the Dora Wheeler Keith page. ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 13:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


If you want to, please take a look at the article about Lisa Aschan that I have created. Any help is appreciated. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Very well written article – I couldn't find anything that needed correcting. Well referenced, categories, etc. You also have a good number of incoming links. The only addition I could think of was to add the Authority Control template, which I've just done. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Best regards, Hebrides (talk) 17:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

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Date formats within URLs[edit]

Hi Hebrides, just noticed that you made an edit to some archive urls here that resulted in some red ink error messages. It was from almost a year ago but I've only just seen and corrected it now. Am writing this message so you are aware, and if you are using an automated method to convert date formats, then please adjust your method to ensure it does not do so within any url. Thanks. -- Ham105 (talk) 04:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Ham105, and apologies – my error. Yes, I do try to apply tags like {{Use dmy dates|date=May 2015}} consistently throughout a page, and to harmonise accessdate formats in accordance with MOS:DATEUNIFY, but you're right, I didn't check to make sure the date isn't embedded within a URL. I will be more careful in future. Thanks again for letting me know, and for repairing this error. — Hebrides (talk) 06:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
No problem, and thanks. Wasn't bothered about a one-off edit but just passing on the info. -- Ham105 (talk) 14:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Signing talk page comments[edit]

Dear Hebrides, You sent me few links showing how to create a great articles in Wikipedia, How to edit and of course repeatedly asked me to "sign". I just use " (Peter Thomas 14:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC))" after that but many still ask me to do the same. And so would you please guide me in this regard, teaching me how to sign. And I have seen the Wikipedians when they write something in talk page and at the end of the matter, "their name|talk" then time too. What is it and how to create one if I am to have one? Thank you. 14:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olickal Peter Thomas (talkcontribs)

All you need to do is to end your comment with ~~~~ (yes, that's just the '~' four times, with no spaces). When you do Save page, the software magically transforms this into your username with hyperlink and the time and date. That's all there is to it. Don't type your own name as well – otherwise you'll get two of them! Try it :) Hebrides (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Brightly for deletion[edit]

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Pictures in articles[edit]


can you explain to me how to use pictures in a wikipedia article? I am having trouble understanding the requirements they have to meet in terms of copyright issue.

Best regards,

Solenn Anquetin 18/03/2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solenn Anquetin (talkcontribs) 09:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The easiest way of putting pictures into a WP article is to find a suitable image that is already on Wikimedia Commons and then put it into the article. You just put the filename and a caption in a File statement in the code. For example, to display the image that is atØP.jpg you can put something like this:
[[File:NHØP.jpg|thumb|[[Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen]], 1991]]
Note that the photographer, Björn Milcke, states that he has released this image into the public domain.
If there is no suitable image already on Commons, you can upload an image to Commons if the copyright owner gives permission. But you mustn't infringe anyone's copyright by simply putting their images onto Wikipedia – they must have given permission. This permission could be because they have already published it with a clear statement that it is in the "public domain", or that it is published under a suitable Creative Commons licence. Or if it is a photograph you have taken yourself, you can give the permission when you upload it. If you want to use an image and can't find a clear statement that you are allowed to use it, then you must not upload it to Wikipedia. (So you can't just find a photo on the internet and put it on Wikipedia – the vast majority of images are copyright and so are not allowed.)
As for the mechanics, you should upload a copy of the photo to Wikimedia Commons. Go to and create an account on Commons, then login and upload the image, giving all the details of what the image is, who created it, and what its copyright status it – you just fill these in during the upload wizard process. There's a lot more detail about copyright on the site, as the full picture is quite complex and some details differ from country to country.
Hope that helps — Hebrides (talk) 07:35, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thank you for improving so many pages on south India. Regards, Prof TPMS (talk) 21:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Invitation to participate in Wikipedia mini summer program[edit]

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Nomination of Joven for deletion[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for fixing up the references and much else. I like starting articles, but am less diligent about tidying them up neatly. Edwardx (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Other Windsor-Clive (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Earl Gill[edit]

Hi Hebrides. You edited this article as I was creating it so full marks for your speedy response! I have no problem with most of your edits which relate to web cite references, However, in one case you added a link to a commercial web site designer, Jaclyn Ward. I notice that the relevant source, The Irish Charts, contains this additional information when cited on other pages. This must be acceptable to Wikipedia but does it not smack of commercial advertising? Thank you. Jim Bruce (talk) 12:20, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Well spotted – I've removed the extra link that sneaked in unnoticed. Thanks. —Hebrides (talk) 18:39, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I have just done a quick search on Wikipedia and this link appears in dozens, perhaps hundreds, of other articles. Is it possible to remove it from these pages also? It does seem like improper use of Wikipedia for commercial promotion. Jim Bruce (talk) 09:00, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Good point. I agree, and so does WP:ELNO. I've done all I could find by searching – I've removed the link from over 150 pages. If you spot any I've missed, do let me know. Good to work with you on this. —Hebrides (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
That's great thanks. The company name, 'Jaclyn Ward' and/or 'Fireball Media Ltd.' still appears in many of the citations but the links themselves have been removed.Jim Bruce (talk) 08:53, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
For the ones that had a link, I removed both the link and 'Fireball Media Ltd.' leaving just Jaclyn Ward. There were some citations that didn't have a link, and I left those unchanged. —Hebrides (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Fake news site[edit]

Thank you for your help on the article on Fake news site !!! I added a little bit to it from a few sources. Do you think it now looks good enough to not be deleted from Wikipedia? (talk) 03:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Looks good to me. It seems to have grown a lot over recent days and is detailed and well referenced. Thank you for contributing so effectively to Wikipedia. —Hebrides (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

a new page[edit]

first of giving thanks for your kind editing of my created page west bengal legal service. sir . my request to you for more help to enrich the page i hv created. i hv given all relevant governmental website link for it. this is a class one and reputed service of west bengal. but after due editing i could not find it in google search engene. can u help me out to make it perfect ? thanks in antecipation. Pinaki1983 (talk) 18:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello Pinaki and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for creating the article West Bengal Legal Service. I've made a few small changes to it and am not sure why Google is not yet listing it. However, it could be because of the lack of incoming links from other Wikipedia pages. Are there any related Wikipedia pages where a link to West Bengal Legal Service would be appropriate and helpful? When Google ranks the importance of a webpage, one factor is how many other "high quality" pages have a link to it. One or two links from other related pages would help to integrate this new page into Wikipedia. Hope that helps. —Hebrides (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry for that[edit]

I just made a mistake on the surname pages. I wasn't aware about it. Apologizing for it once again.Jayabilla (talk) 07:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Flower of Gloster[edit]

Hi Hebrides. Thanks for your edit of Flower of Gloster, but if it's all the same to you I think the page is better off without the references added. For one thing, the page is essentially about the BOOK, so any references to the TV programme of 1967 should have been added in that section. But surely the fact that one would have to pay money to be able to look at the reference seems to go against the central principles of Wikipedia. Don't you agree?Picknick99 (talk) 09:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

I can omit the URL if you prefer – many references to contemporaneous sources do. However, since many public libraries subscribe to the Times Digital Archive, I think it is helpful to include it. I don't pay to browse The Times (1785–2010) – I just type in my library card number and it's free. Why not check out what online services your local library subscribes to? —Hebrides (talk) 09:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Márta Lacza[edit]

Hi Hebrides. That was excellent work that was undertaken to update Márta Lacza. I think considering what it used to be like, and indeed the whole series was like. When I Afd'd it, user:Adem20 had created about 78 articles, half of them without references. He now has 195 articles and all have references. I think that was a good outcome. I just wish the Afd process for Márta Lacza was closed. It should close soon. scope_creep (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Arsh Shah Dilbagi[edit]

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Reference errors on 14 January[edit]

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URL vs HTML encoding[edit]

Hi, this is old information but passing it along in case it's still relevant. In this edit, the AWB script converted a "|" into HTML encoding &#124, but it should be URL percent encoded %7C. The HTML URL [10] doesn't exist, but the percent-encoded URL does (actually it's dead but can be found at Wayback [11]). Also if possible could the script cease adding links entirely? The reasons are many: there is a bot dedicated to this task now (IABot) and it's very complex to get right; the links being added by the AWB script are placed in the |url= field but should be in the |archiveurl= field; there is no 14-digit timestamp in the URL and it should include a timestamp - this requires use of the Wayback API and other things to determine; there is no |archivedate= which should also be included; there is no |deadlink= argument; it specifies the | but that is incorrect the publisher is someone else, Wayback Machine is not a publisher. Here is a typical correction by my bot WaybackMedic. This took a lot of effort to program a fix for, and it would be smoother to let IABot add the new archive links, if possible. Regards, -- GreenC 22:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Correction: the HTML-encoded URL works because HTML engine converts it to a | but it can create problems for other applications reading the wikitext. For example, there is no Wayback snapshot of the HTML encoded version. See Percent-encoding. -- GreenC 22:41, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback – much appreciated. I'll check this out thoroughly and modify my AWB module accordingly. Apologies, I was trying to be helpful, but obviously not careful enough in the module code and not rigorous enough in translating Wikipedia policies and practice into software. I hope I haven't caused too many problems with my edits. Can I trigger IABot on demand when I find a page that needs it, or should it simply be left to its own devices? Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok great thanks for understanding. IABot can be triggered on demand through the user interface .. however the feature is still in development so I don't know when User:Cyberpower678 will have it ready but in the mean time IABot is searching and fixing dead links and will get to it eventually. -- GreenC 16:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

DOI breakage[edit]

Hi, in this edit you added a space to doi 10.1074/jbc.R800078200, breaking it. Would you please avoid adding spaces to DOIs in future. Thanks Rjwilmsi 16:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Rjwilmsi. I've tweaked my regex to make sure it doesn't happen again. Thanks for alerting me to this. — Hebrides (talk) 08:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of A Lighter Shade Of Noir for deletion[edit]

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Ref fills[edit]

Thank you for filling out the refs that I added in cockade.★Trekker (talk) 18:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure. Good to hear from you, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Cheers, — Hebrides (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Zinaida Gilels[edit]

Hello Hebrides, thank you for your contribution to my article about Zinaida Gilels. The article was recently proposed for deletion on the grounds of no notability of its subject. I've added some info to the article and I notified about it the member who proposed deletion. I hope the article is now meets the notability criteria. I was thinking that, if you happen to come across the discussion about this article, you know a little about the subject. I feel that it worth for me to mention that there is not much info about that professor exist online (except for that bio, which seem to be written by the people who knew her well, and a couple of other links), and it seems that no one previously cared to put it there. I haven't met her myself, but I know for a fact that she was one of the most influential violin tutors in Moscow in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. There are literally dozens of her former students now performing all over the world as leading violinists. Also she never worked on an Academy level, mainly focusing on teaching pupils of a School age - this is possibly a reason for her relatively low media profile.. As it happens I often create article about such people. Anyway, thank you again, and I hope to work with you in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemi315 (talkcontribs) 09:32, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Gemi315, and thank you for your note. I've done a bit of work on the Zinaida Gilels article, expanding it slightly and adding further references, and have removed the tag. Thank you for creating this article; she is a remarkable musician with a continuing legacy through the Violin School and through her many pupils. — Hebrides (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Hebrides, I saw the scrupulous work you've done on the article, and I am truly grateful to you. I wanted to mention that after I contacted you, I've sent an enquiry to Zinaida Gilels Music School in Latisana, Italy. This morning I have received a reply from... Conservatorio di Milano of all places! They sent me an official Zinaida Gilels CV written in her own words. It confirms all the information included in the article, and even adds some more, with an exception of her tenure in Boston Conservatory due to, as it appears, the CV written prior to it. I wanted to show it to you here, but I'm having hard time saving this document. I'm happy to email it to anyone who is interested. Anyway, such a moving conclusion to our combined effort. I wanted to share this news with you.

SOS on Li Yi Tong page[edit]

Dear advanced editor,

 I created this page mainly translating from Chinese, but must have screwed up on the ref list, thus got a warning on deletion. Can you help straighten out pls. Much obliged.

--Zhang-ZQ (talk) 14:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

>>>Sorry to bother you. Pls ignore my request. But I'm still puzzled that a simple translation from the Chinese page triggered such warning on references. --Zhang-ZQ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Kuala (disambiguation) for deletion[edit]

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Help in Filling ref[edit]

Please help to fill out refs here:

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Hello Airkeeper and thanks for dropping by. I've done most of the references on those pages. There were just a few that would not load properly (maybe a problem with my browser). Good to work with you. — Hebrides (talk) 20:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Capt. Eyre Massey Shaw[edit]


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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you kindly for going through so many of the articles that I started, leaving too many bare URLs in my wake. Edwardx (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Edwardx. I did a quick trawl through and filled out a few references. Good to work with you on this. Thank you for all the work you've done on Wikipedia. — Hebrides (talk) 13:27, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Tor-y-Mynydd[edit]

It's very helpful but you're so close on my heels, we're edit-conflicting! KJP1 (talk) 09:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry! I'll go somewhere else for a while. — Hebrides (talk) 10:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Amelia Wilson (1809 ship)[edit]

Hi Hebrides, filling out the refs is all very well, but you are throwing away helpful info. When I put in the refs I also put in a sequence number on the page. That enables someone to find the line item quickly, especially when the type quality is poor, or when one has to scroll down from the page the link opens at. Is there some way to preserve that information within the arguments of the template you are using? Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 19:09, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Acad Ronin, and sincere apologies for missing this and accidentally degrading the usefulness of your references. Thanks for pointing it out. I have been through and put the extra information back into the references, and will be more careful in future. Thanks for adding such excellent articles to Wikipedia. Best regards, — Hebrides (talk) 19:24, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Hebrides, Many thanks for doing the needful. As for the articles, I think one o0f the things that is great about WP is that we can create articles that synthesize a number of disparate sources. The vessels I like best are the ones that have had multiple roles, whaler,slaver, merchantman, privateer, EIC ship, warship, etc. Of course, this means that the the boring bog-standard merchantmen that simply sailed from port to port get short shrift, meaning that the WP articles are not an unbiased sample of the maritime history. But eventually, perhaps even some of those vessels will get their chance. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:51, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


Can you tell me how I can set AWB to detect link rot / bare references? The User Manual isn't telling me anything. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi and good to hear from you. Processing bare references is not in the basic AWB functionality as far as I know. The key is the Make module option on the Tools menu, which gives you an edit box of seemingly unlimited capacity that you can fill with C# code to do anything you want. AWB then applies your code to every page you edit. If you haven't used C# before, you'll find the fundamentals very similar to Java.
Modules are mentioned in the manual briefly at the start of Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User_manual#Tools, and there are some examples of code at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Custom_Modules
The approach I took to filling out references was to write code to search the current page source for bare URLs using a regular expression search; then for each one found, it downloads the target page, then retrieves the page title and other metadata (if present) from the downloaded html; then it finally constructs a cite web expression and inserts it into the current page. It's still work in progress, but it seems to work on a lot of pages. I keep adding sections for special cases like pdf files, Google books, and so on.
Hope that helps. Have fun! — Hebrides (talk) 21:38, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

New House Farm, Llangybi & Ty-mawr Farmhouse, Cwmyoy[edit]

Dear Hebrides, me again. You've cleverly edited the reference to a PDF in Ty-mawr Farm to make it a proper citation. You'll see from New House Farm, that I don't know how to do this. Quelle surprise! Would you be kind enough to tell me how you did it and I'll then try and remember for the future. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 09:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries - I copied what you'd done and it seems to have worked. Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 09:54, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
I just use the Template:Cite web – fill in the values for as many parameters as I can, then the template formats them nicely in the references on the page. You can find all the documentation at that link to the template. — Hebrides (talk) 11:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Moscow Conservatory Music College[edit]

Dear Hebrides, could you please check the article which is now called Academic Music College. I created this article a few month ago, under the name Moscow Conservatory Music College by which this institution is internationally known for decades. In the article I have also originally included its full official name, correctly translated from Russian. I myself am a native Russian speaker, and a graduate of this college. A few days ago a member called Rhadow made changes to the article including renaming it to something which doesn't make sense. In the reference section this member also included someone's biography, which looks like a personal promotion. Could you please consider all these details, and if you find it appropriate, maybe remove the last three edits, to return the article to its previous form. Thank you. Gemi315 (talk) 02:34, 10 September 2017

Hello Gemi315 and thanks for your message above. The difficulty I find with this article is the complete lack of references (except the one just added by Rhadow). References are fundamentally important for all Wikipedia articles, since the criterion for inclusion of any information in Wikipedia is not just whether it is correct, but whether it is verifiable (see Wikipedia:Verifiability). I suggest the best way forward is that you first add good quality references to reliable sources that are independent of the subject, using inline citations. Then you could start a polite discussion on the article's talk page – Rhadow has already put a note on there about the recent change. If the question cannot be resolved by discussion and by reference to external sources, maybe other editors who have an interest in this subject area can contribute to the discussion and help reach a consensus. I'm happy to help you with the citation syntax if you are unfamiliar with it. Hope that helps — Hebrides (talk) 20:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Kelston Knoll[edit]

Thank you so much for your expansion of Kelston Knoll - the breadth and scope of your article creations is incredible. My finger slipped and I accidentally reverted one of your edits/sorry! No Swan So Fine (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Good to hear from you – thanks for dropping by. No worries about the reverted reversion; I'd already assumed it was a mistake. I'm glad you didn't mind me joining in with the Kelston Knoll article; you'd made such an excellent start and I was intrigued to see if I could unearth anything more. I also searched geograph for a photo of the place, but was disappointed on that score.
As for my weird eclectic mix of article creations, I like tackling interesting subjects about which I know absolutely nothing! That way, I have to find sources/references for everything. Pulling together diverse threads into a coherent story can be quite addictive, I find, and there are strange and fascinating discoveries along the way :)
Great to make contact with you – keep up the good work! — Hebrides (talk) 21:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

F/A-18C Mock-up MAGO[edit]

Hi, I am dropping this note to you because you have contributed to the article at F/A-18C Mock-up MAGO. There is a discussion at Talk:F/A-18C Mock-up MAGO#MAGO which you might want to take a look at. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:11, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Kurds in Hebron[edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing—Kurds in Hebron—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Icewhiz (talk) 12:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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