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West End Avenue[edit]

I'm enhancing West End Avenue and you appear to be a Wikipedia savant. Can you show me how to put the word historicist into a sentence, and have it link to the architectural syyle historicism (art), not the philosophical theory. Gratefully, Historicist (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Historicist

Take a look at Help:Pipe trick for more complete details, but if you look at the link here for historicist you'll see how it's done by typing [[historicism (art) | historicist]], which says to use the article for historicism (art), but display the text "historicist". I keep an eye on the article, and the easiest thing to do is edit away and worry about the formatting later. Alansohn (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Notes to myself[edit]

Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ECCN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel

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{{Verify credibility|date=September 2009}

{{Who|date=September 2009}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Terrorism

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Rabbi Lopatin[edit]

If the under construction tag hadn't been there, I would have nominated it for speedy deletion. The notability tag I put on it is a warning to the author that they need to provide some notability or it's going to be nominated for deletion. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 02:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Did You Know?[edit]

Among the features on the Wikipedia main page is Did You Know?, which highlights new articles. To qualify, articles must have been created (or expanded) within the past five days, be a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose and contain an interesting hook to draw people to the article of less than 200 characters. I took a look at your contributions and saw the article about Asher Lopatin. I did some cleanup, added a few sources and categories and took the liberty of nominating the article at Template talk:Did you know. I have seen some of your other articles, and the one for Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel, which would have been a great example of a hook with its creation over a straw hat. I will monitor the nomination and respond to any issues, and you can check the page at T:TDYK to follow the progress of the nomination. As you appear to have an interest in creating and expanding articles, this may be an outlet to reach a broader audience for your work. Alansohn (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Oldest synagogues[edit]

Historicist: there's not a lot I can tell you, I'm afraid. I knew of the fact of its founding, prob. as a result of Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but beyond that I know little.


DYK for Asher Lopatin[edit]

Updated DYK query On 2 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Asher Lopatin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

NYT[edit]

Have you have seen a paper or microfiche copy of the obit? If so, please remove the note. Otherwise, we need to mention that it has not been checked. -- Avi (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I am more than happy to take your word on it; I just like to ensure that someone is vouching for the accuracy of texts that are not instantly accessible. I could have made it to my local library on Sunday if necessary, but as you already checked it, that's fantastic. However, I guess we should source the Saudi citizenship to the obit, as opposed to now where it looks like it's supported by a different source. Thanks again, -- Avi (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Our job as editors is to ensure that accurate information is properly cited; which is why I placed the {{cn}} tag on the Saudi citizenship, since it was not found in the source supporting the rest of the sentence. Now that you have verified that information, the article is that much more accurate and complete. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 23:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Congregation Beth Israel (Scottsdale, Arizona)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 3 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Congregation Beth Israel (Scottsdale, Arizona), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 02:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Congregation Beth Israel (Scottsdale, Arizona)[edit]

I appreciate what you're saying, but we can still only go with what the sources say. If the article eventually gets to GA status, any unsourced claim will be immediately challenged. Jayjg (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Very nice[edit]

Nice to see genuine attempts to resolve conflicts in a collaborative spirit and I give you full props for it. I hope we'll find an agreed upon final version sooner rather than later. Cheers, JaakobouChalk Talk 19:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Włodawa Synagogue[edit]

Updated DYK query On 6 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Włodawa Synagogue, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Beracha Veshalom Vegmiluth Hasidim[edit]

thank you for your offercan you help me write the artical? here are some links: [1] [2] [3] [4] please tell me you have any questions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycowitz (talkcontribs) 21:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

there are ready is a page for a st. thomas synagogue but Beracha Veshalom Vegmiluth Hasidim was created first should we just mereger Beracha Veshalom Vegmiluth Hasidim with the other one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycowitz (talkcontribs) 16:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

email communication. Alternatively, you can reach me via email by clicking on Special:EmailUser/Alansohn. Alansohn (talk) 20:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if you had a chance, but enable your email or send me one at [[Spe

Kol ami of Frederick[edit]

thank you very much. i have cited many newspaper please tell me what you think Psycowitz (talk) 01:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Synagogue[edit]

Hi. By including a pipe (|) with a space after it, the article Synagogue shows up as the first article in Category:Synagogues instead of appearing sorted under "S". That's often done with the "main" article for a category. For example, Judaism is the first article in Category:Judaism, etc. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


DYK[edit]

Nice work on synagogue articles recently btw though your attention is needed at DYK for your wooden synagogue nomination so that it can be featured on the main page. Are you going to write an article on Wolpa? Best, DVD 07:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Wooden synagogue[edit]

Updated DYK query On 25 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wooden synagogue, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 22:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Wooden synagogues of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth[edit]

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Category:Wooden synagogues of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The result was Category:Wooden synagogues

Great synagogue articles![edit]

Your recent additions are most welcome. Włodawa Synagogue and Łańcut Synagogue have some great photos too. Thanks! Chesdovi (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Synagogue of Barcelona[edit]

Hello. Can you show me any sources that refer to the synagogue as the "Ancient Synagogue of Barcelona"? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Congregation Beth Israel (Berkeley, California)[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 4, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Congregation Beth Israel (Berkeley, California), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Art Nouveau synagogues[edit]

For every category you create, you should specify parent categories to which it belongs. You do this by listing the parents near the bottom of the page, each enclosed in double brackets like so:

[[Category:Art Nouveau]]
[[Category:Synagogues]]

Contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards,--Stepheng3 (talk) 20:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Stepheng3 (talk) 03:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, and a favor[edit]

Don't worry about it - you've done the right thing. Speedying might take a little while, as I've found that long about this time of day things tagged for speedying end up staying around for a little while, regardless. But you've done everything that needs to be done. I don't think it'll be problematic. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles[edit]

I wanted to tell you again that I am avidly reading the synagogue articles you are writing. Hope you don't mind that I fix typos and use the "ref name" syntax here and there. What do you think of this article that I started: User:DVD R W/Cymbalista? You can edit it or add more information if you want before I move it to main space - please do. Kind regards, DVD 23:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll move the article into article space since you complimented it. I agree re: contemporary Synagogues. We can always start Category:Contemporary Synagogues. DVD 00:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Seven Jewish Children[edit]

Not at all. I was just looking at material online about the play and thought that Wikipedia ought to have an article and you had done the donkey work. It's late so I'm packing up but I'll try and make the format of footnotes uniform when they are citing articles.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ancestry[edit]

I'm a bit busy now between work and this, but I can look at it soon, I hope. -- Avi (talk) 07:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Architecturally notable contemporary synagogues[edit]

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Feb. note[edit]

This user User talk:Blakeblakeblake12345 has been adding articles on synagogues. I thought you might be interested. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

This might interest you also. Moshe Shalit. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Nazi, Swastika References Being Purged from Syrian Social Nationalist Party[edit]

Would you mind having a look at the problem of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party's Nazi history and swastika flag being systematically deleted/vandalized? This removes an important aspect of neutrality from the article. References from many reliable sources are provided. See its talk page. The edits are being done by users with IP addresses from very similar domains. Thanks, Histopher Critchens (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Central Troy Historic District[edit]

Thanks for adding that and putting in the source! I'm hoping to take that article to FA eventually, and that's the first significant factual contribution by someone else. Daniel Case (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Purim![edit]

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MEQ[edit]

Thanks for your note. Jayjg (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

A land without a people[edit]

Thanks for the post on my talk page. I've now posted this [5]. You're welcome to join that project though I don't believe I have officially added myself as a member. The project rose out of a particularly heated dispute which went to Arbcom as an attempt to bring together people with different POVs who were nevertheless committed to a collaborative approach. It's worth reading the main page if you intend to join.

I don't feel that well placed to produce the article I suggest myself. As for the addition you suggest to the existing article, I wonder whether there is a source other than Muir that says something similar. Citing her alone is hardly going to help with cerftain complaints.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Habonim Dror[edit]

Are you sure about the slogan? As far as I know, Habonim's motto has always been Aleh u'vneh (Arise and build). In fact, that's the title of the history of the American movement [6]. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Ohel Jakob synagogue[edit]

Are you planning on creating a disambiguation page at Ohel Jakob synagogue? Agathoclea (talk) 23:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No I was not planning on any as I don't know what articles are needed. Reason I brought it up was your pagemove to a disambiguated title. That is normally only done when there is more than one possible subject using that name. The only possible exception I can see is if a more unlikely candidate has an article and the article that should be there is not written yet ie Ohel Jakob synagogue (book) while Ohel Jakob synagogue isn't written yet. By all means create redirects in the form you want. Agathoclea (talk) 23:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Demographic threat[edit]

Thanks I like what you've done and it's made the article much more robust and well categorized. I'm really not an expert, so I can't critique it, but it appears to be good work. In addition, it is pretty well-sourced, so this is a strong start to an article. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 01:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Beth Shalom[edit]

Thanks for your note; I've taken a stab at it: Beth Shalom. Regarding Oheb Shalom, perhaps Ohaveth Sholum Congregation should be included as well? Jayjg (talk) 01:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

False 3RR accusation[edit]

Look I'm not going to try an include the Mashalha source again, but I'm frankly getting tired of the intimidation tactics on my talk page. I didn't violate the 3rr on this page. So stop lieing about me on my talk page. I felt that all the work Fatima put in deserved to be defended and no one objected to it until jaygj came along and deleted it. I've decided it isn't worth getting into another edit war on this article, but don't push me because I might decide to revert it back again just out of spite if the intimidation tactics continue on my talk page. annoynmous 01:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Violating the 3RR means you did it more than 3 times in a 24 hour period so stop lieing about me on my talk page. You are the one making threats. I have agreed to give up the edit in the article so this tone is rude and unfounded. annoynmous 01:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


The only stuff I reverted was redundant sources that were already cited in the article and one google book link where the relevant page number was omitted.
It seems to me that you should change your user name to revision-historicist because thats what your doing now. I was arguing for tags, I let you keep every edit you made except for the ones mentioned above.
Excuse me when editors lie and say I violated the 3RR rule when I didn't I get mad. I also get mad when instead of making arguments on the talk page for the article, cetain editors with the help of biased administrators use bully tactics to shut someone up even when there based on false claims.
I've agreed to not add back the section so let me decide what I put on my own talk page thank you very much. annoynmous 02:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Valley Beth Shalom --> Valley Beth Shalom (Encino, California)?[edit]

Hi, I'm just curious why you moved the article Valley Beth Shalom to Valley Beth Shalom (Encino, California)? Is there another Valley Beth Shalom that it needs to be disambiguated? Or is there an equally major synagogue of the same name that would trump a "for other uses" on the Valley Beth Shalom page. If not we should keep it where it was as it just gets to be cumbersome. Valley2city 19:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. However I'm a little concerned about what sort of precidence it might create for articles that many more things will have locations attached to the titles. Unless there needs to be a disambiguation, I think it is sufficient for there to be the location in the first sentence of the article. As for Valley Beth Shalom, with 1,800 families and its over-reaching cultural influence I think merit a name without the necessity for a location attached to it. I also don't think there are any other locations that share the same name, at least those that would be notable enough for a WP article. I therefore am going to move it back, always with the future possibility, if needed, to be disambiguated, or as I mentioned above "this article is about the synagogue in Encino, California, for other..."Valley2city 00:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Leah Horowitz[edit]

You're welcome, and thank you for the assistance with the article. I felt a bit out of my league on that one, especially since I don't speak the language, but the subject seems very interesting and very deserving of an article here. Thanks again! Vulture19 (talk) 22:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Kate Baldwin[edit]

The article reads as if you would like to be (grin). I'm not prepared to restore as it stands, although I don't doubt your good faith. It needs some basic bio and career details to offset the hagiography. I'll put the text here soon so you can work on it. jimfbleak (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I've expressed my concerns, but you have the text so there is nothing to prevent you from recreating exactly as before at any time. If you do so, in the light of your comments I won't redelete in the short term, but that doesn't mean that no one else will. jimfbleak (talk) 05:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Kate Baldwin[edit]

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My pleasure! I dislike when the hasty speedy taggers place incorrect tags on well-sourced, well-written articles. Cunard (talk) 02:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Maccabees[edit]

I have proposed merge with Maccabean Revolt. Your comments, please. Marshall46 (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Beth Shalom B’nai Zaken Ethiopian Hebrew Congregation of Chicago[edit]

Hi. Are you sure that "of Chicago" is part of their name? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

On Chariots with Horses of Fire and Iron[edit]

Hi Historicist! Do you have this book? If so, I believe we should have a great collaboration on the Jaffa–Jerusalem article. I am going through the book slowly, and stopped at p. 26 for now, but there appears to be a lot of new information there which did not appear in The Railways of Palestine and Israel by Paul Cotterell. Please let me know. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 13:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Stanton Street Synagogue[edit]

Hi, hope i didn't cause an edit conflict just now. I saw your edit to the lower Manhattan NRHP list-article, and visited Stanton Street Synagogue to add an NRHP infobox. Seems you are editing it too, so i won't further now. Perhaps you can add the photo to article, that appears in thumbnail at the NRHP list.

About names in the NRHP list, the intention there is to show the NRHP program names for sites, so I set up a redirect from Stanton Street Shul and also put a pipelink in to show "Stanton Street Shul" in the NRHP list-article. Also that should stay as the title of the NRHP infobox in the article, as it is the NRHP name for the site. Thanks for making the connection to the NRHP list-article! Keep up the good work in developing it further. :) doncram (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Qassam rocket[edit]

Thank you for your help! Could you please help me here too? --Mbz1 (talk) 04:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Some more synagogue articles you might want to see if you can add to[edit]

I recently did about four NRHP-listed Orthodox synagogues from the rural Catskills, in eastern Sullivan County, New York:

Don't know if you've got anything in your books you can add to them. Just letting you know if you do. Daniel Case (talk) 05:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the people who write those things are occasionally known to make errors, but usually I have to trust them. And maybe they take the sukkah outside during Sukkot ... you know, why rebuild it every year? Perhaps I'll have to pay a visit during that time of year. Not being Jewish myself, when is it next? I might be able to pass by during that time. Daniel Case (talk) 22:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You're invited...[edit]

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Richard Stirling[edit]

Hi there. Curious as to your move of Richard Stirling (cricketer) - as there is no other Wikipedia article under the name of Richard Stirling, I was wondering if you knew of any other Richard Stirlings which are missing articles? The only other name I can find on Wikipedia is Richard Sterling.

All the best. Bobo. 19:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Aha, problem solved, while I was writing that, you set up a new article! Should we change Richard Stirling into a disambiguation page? Bobo. 19:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Done and done[edit]

Done. I've included a link on the disambiguation page to Richard Sterling, too. Bobo. 19:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Seven Other Children[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure that this play merits an article in its own right. It's life and encyclopaedic interest seems to be secondary to Seven Jewish Children. From googling, I can only find it receiving coverage in community press. By community I mean either Jewish or North London. If it gets a review or coverage in one of the nationals or one of the four big London papers (meaning the Standard, the Metro (London edition), London Light or the London Paper), I think it will have passed the threshold.

I agree that it is appropriate to mention the play in the SJC article and that the author's other work probably means that he merits an article in his own right. It's just the SOC article I'm uncomfortable with.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I believe my thinking is in line with this essay Wikipedia:News articles. Not a policy, I know, but I think it reflects the spirit of the policy. Will there be stuff written in five years time that mentions SJC? I think so. SJO? Only in the context of material on SJC.--Peter cohen (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Shearith Israel, Sherith Israel[edit]

Hi. I replied at Talk:Congregation Shearith Israel (disambiguation). — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 20:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

List of terrorist incidents, 2009[edit]

I think I got it. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Moved from user page[edit]

Josephus[edit]

Hi Historicist. Can you take a look on the Judaism discussion page? I am proposing a submission about Josephs descendants according to Major Jewish Literature. I mentioned only famous Jewish authors as reliable sources but two individuals are not happy with informations that they didnt know in the first place. Can you give me a hand there? Regards --Chris Cohen (talk) 02:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

References[edit]

Historicist, thank you for your excellent edits to the articles on Michael Oren, Six Days of War, and Power, Faith and Fantasy. Could you please clean up the references you added? I apologize if I have not give you ample time to do so. I know how annoying that tedious stuff can me. Thanks!ShamWow (talk) 01:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Just and Unjust Wars[edit]

This is a major book that undoubtedly deserves an article. In fact, it had one until someone inexplicably (and unjustly, without an RFD) expunged the page. I have no idea how well that article was written. Can someone tell me how to retrieve it?{{helpme}}Historicist (talk) 00:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there.
I've moved this over to your own talk page, easier to deal with here.
Firstly, please have a read of Wikipedia:Notability (books), the guideline on these things.
Secondly, I will try my best to get a copy of the old article put into your userspace - where you could work on improving it (if you think you can get enough reliable sources to satisfy the above)
I'll put more here soon.  Chzz  ►  01:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Historicist, I couldn't find an admin online to do it, so I will ask below, with this;

{{adminhelp}} Per the above, is there an older version of the page Just and Unjust Wars please, and if so - and appropriate - please userfy it for this user. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  04:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

The deletion was not inexplicable, nor unjust. We delete articles for all manner of reasons, including because they are attack pages, copyright violations, fail to assert importance in certain cases, have no content, are blatant advertising, and so on. The reason is usually set forth in the deletion log. The naked fact that a page is deleted is not a reflection on the worthiness of the subject to have an article but based on the actual reason it was deleted. In this case, the article was not an article at all. Rather, a user created the title not even as a reference to this book, but simply as an alternate name for just war (as a redirect to that title), and then asked that it be speedy deleted under CSD G7 for the very reason that he realized a book existed and it would be better to exist as a red link (an uncreated title), thus leaving it open for creation. All that is to say, the deleted title had no content on this book whatever.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, fair enough. Thanks Fuhghettaboutit. Historicist, good luck making an article; let me know if I can help further.  Chzz  ►  18:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Poem[edit]

Apropos of nothing, but, well, this reminded me of one of my fave little poems, and I wanted to share.

The rain it raineth on the just And also on the unjust fella; But chiefly on the just, because The unjust steals the just's umbrella. - Lord Bowen

 Chzz  ►  01:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Delightful poem. thanks for the chuckle.Historicist (talk) 01:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abraham's various shields[edit]

I created the disambiguation pages and added hatnotes to assist readers in navigating among the articles. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 21:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


Earthquakes in the Levant[edit]

Hi Historicist, I've added the 1837 event to the Historical earthquakes list. Regarding naming, most earthquakes are named using 'Year' 'Place' 'earthquake', although there are no hard and fast rules for this. As to how to name events such as the 1202 earthquake, I've tended to go for the place (or country) where the epicenter (if recognised) or area of greatest damage is located, in this case southwestern Syria (the Sbeinati et al. paper on Syrian earthquakes [7], has a map of the main area of damage from Ambraseys & Melville 1985). Although it clearly caused damage elsewhere and was unusually widely felt, I would rather be more specific where information exists.

I would be very happy to collaborate with you on earthquake articles, I'll look at the three that you listed and see what I can add. Cheers Mikenorton (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Jonathan Rosenblatt[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Not sure why[edit]

I'm not sure why you chose to make your response in the AfD what amounted to a lecture/nearly personal attack on me, but I don't think you wp:agf'd. I have nominated only a handful of article for deletion in the past couple of years. Whether you meant it to sound like a lecture or not, it came across as one and I feel it was uncalled for and not very well grounded, considering the relatively few articles I have nominated for deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for totally ignoring what I asked you. I am addressing your comments towards me, where you painted me as some rabid deletionist who nominates dozens of articles a week for deletion. You also when off on a lecture about how my actions (which you grossly overstated) drive editors away. That did not belong in the AfD discussion. To address what you put on my talk page: 1) Having a fan write and article doesn't make him notable. We have notability guidelines that I believe the man fails. The AfD discussion is there for a reason, to disuss whether or not he meets those guidelines, not how it makes the author feel. 2) Arguing about me being "dissmissive" and "arrogant" (which smells like a personal attack) by doing the same things (starting with "sigh" and making claims about how I just AfD without thought) isn't very compelling, nor is trying to sound like you are being reasonable ("please take a deep breath") while being dismissive. 3) Telling me how "ignorant" I am because I don't find the Boston Phoenix to be all that relevant isn't exactly Socratic debate, now is it? Niteshift36 (talk) 23:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Please take a deep breath, re-read your nomination, consider that articles have been written about this man in real newspapers stating that people in New Hampshire love him and that the first page of a google search reveals not only several such articles but the fact that he has a fan club on facebook. I know nothing about him beyond what I have learned in the last hour, and very little about TV weathermen. But please consider how your comments must sound (arrogant and dismissive in my opinion) to what I presume to be a fan of this weatherman writing up someone he believes to be notable. And your comparison is way off. The Boston Phoenix is not comparable to a high school newspaper.Historicist (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
You had two AFD's up today. Both on pages that appeared plausibly notable, albeit not well-sourced. I jumped to conclusions.Historicist (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, I AfD'd a couple in the past day or so. In fact, I've nominated a few others (an article about chanin smoking and about an airline mishap) in the past couple of days too. But again, had you looked, you'd have seen 10-15 nominations in the past 2 years. Hardly a large number. At the same time, I got invited to join the Rescue Squad because I opposed deletion of other articles. I try to be fair and I try to look at each piece on it's own merits. Maybe you didn't notice, but I withdrew the other AfD a little while ago. I decided to give the benefit of the doubt to the subject. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Like I said, I do try to be objective on my AfD activity. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the other reporter because he does seem to write for some pretty notable papers and is fairly prolific in terms of number of article. Since there aren't any clear standards for journalists, I decided to error to the side of leaving it. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Islam-related terrorist incidents[edit]

Since you're so prodigiously working on these articles, I suggest further developing this article: Kevin James (terrorist). What really needs to be created is an article relating to the bombing plot, which among other things, including target some synagogues in the LA/Beverly Hills area. Keep up the good work. ShamWow (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice going with the 2005 Los Angeles bomb plot article. Unfortunately, I can't find the exact name of the synagogues. Perhaps it's listed somewhere in the court files, but I would expect people in the Los Angeles Jewish community to know.

I would also check out these two good articles: [8] (external link at bottom page) and [9] ShamWow (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Other cases, that may or may not be notable: "Randall Todd Royer, an American-born convert to Islam, was convicted in 2004 for his role in leading the so-called "Virginia jihad network," a group of Islamic radicals training for attacks on the U.S. Royer and another conspirator had trained in Pakistan in 1999 and 2000 with the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is believed responsible for the 2008 attacks that killed nearly 200 people in Mumbai. Royer was one of four American converts to Islam arrested in connection with the Virginia plot.

James Ujaama, who was born James Ernest Thompson in Denver, tried to establish a terrorist training camp in Oregon in the late 1990s, an idea he developed with his spiritual mentor, a radical imam based in London. Ujama converted to Islam and changed his name in the 1980s, according to the Associated Press." [10] ShamWow (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The new Islam related terrorism section in the U.S. terrorism article is fine but there are some duplicates. They need to be integrated, merged or whatever you see fit. I understand you might have it "in the works" and just have not had time. Edkollin (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Your new article....[edit]

Hi there I was reviewing your article and wanted to know if there is anything that makes this church notable? I was going to tag with speedy delete but saw your template so I wanted to ask before I do anything. thanks Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Works for me, sorry to bug. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:19th-century synagogues[edit]

These synagogues can be placed in Category:19th-century synagogues and do not seem to be there yet. --Carlaude talk 08:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have AWB; I can take care of this for you this evening so you don't have to do it manually. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary - thank you. By the way, would you mind e-mailing me at the link in my profile? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Done. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 01:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting[edit]

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Wrong categories[edit]

Hi, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting had been placed in two Islam-related categories. So I checked the edit history, and found this edit. I know you're a serious editor, so I have to believe this was simply a bizarre mistake on your part. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 10:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

PS - I think Category:Islam-related violence in the United States probably should be renamed in some fashion, as it is rather ambiguous. My first thought was that it was meant for attacks directed at Muslims or Islamic sites. Needless to say, that's not at all how it's being used. Cgingold (talk) 10:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I don't have a real problem with the category itself. The problem, as I said, is that the name you gave it is quite ambiguous, since it can easily be construed as referring to Muslims as victims rather than as perpetrators. That distinction is what needs to be clarified. Cgingold (talk) 13:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
What about "Category:Violence in the United States perpetrated by Muslims"? I don't like that because it's too broad. How about this: "Category:Politically motivated attacks in the United States perpetrated by Muslims"? Think that would work? I'm with Cgingold: the idea of the category is fine, but the title's a bit unclear as it stands now. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
"perpetrated by Muslims" is very problematic. A Muslim could pick up a pistol and rob a gas station just because he's a crook. This category has to be limited ot crimes inspired by teh political, nationalistic, or religious ideologies associated with the Islamic/Arab cultures.Historicist (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Hence the "Politically motivated attacks" bit. That excludes most robberies and the like. "Religiously motivated attacks..." gets at the same issue, but I don't like it as much; the distinction between a political problem and a religious issue should be delineated. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
"Category:Ideologically motivated attacks in the United States perpetrated by Muslims"?Historicist (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
YES. That sidesteps the loaded words on both sides of the argument quite neatly. Shall we take it to the categories-for-discussion page? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

OK - we don't necessarily need the discussion, if it's not going to be controversial. But categories aren't like articles - you can't move them. What we'll have to do is create the new category, then transfer all the articles from the old one into the new one. If you don't mind waiting until tonight I can do it when I get home; AWB is great for stuff like that. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure - anything I can do to help. Speaking of which...do you use AWB? If you ever want mass-recategorization done, or a mass adding of new categories, just let me know and I can take care of it. Saves a lot of manual stuff. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure - I'll do that tonight as well. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 15:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Catching up[edit]

I was trolling through my watchlist and saw all of your recent work on Riverdale, Bronx. I had edited the article way back when and created a category of people from Riverdale, which was posted for deletion along with Category:People from Greenwich Village, New York. The same group of people pushed for deletion of both, but the Greenwich Village category was kept and the Riverdale one deleted. This was one of my first rude introductions to the rude world of CfD, only convincing me that people who have little to contribute to Wikipedia will decide to turn themselves into big shots by passing judgment on articles and categories, few of which meet their discerning sense of deletion. In the Riverdale article, I saw your addition of the RJC's Rabbi Jonathan Rosenblatt, a clearly notable individual and an article with more than a dozen sources that is now up for deletion, and for which I proudly voted to keep. A visit to your talk page turned up your recent article for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting, which I also have a hard time believing justified deletion. I'm glad to see that you've put your nose to the Wikipedia grindstone and have started building and improving interesting articles thoroughly documented with reliable and verifiable sources. It's been a long time since we crossed paths and I'm glad to see the progress since you first started. Keep it up and don't allow the deletionists to get you down. Alansohn (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Naming[edit]

Confused as to what you would like me to possibly do. I believe the category could possibly benefit from a more specific title but I'm not sure if editors would accept "Islamic Terrorism in the United States" as a subcategory of "Islamic Terrorism." I believe it would be more accurate to use the word terrorism though. ShamWow (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

"Terrorism" is an awfully loaded word, though, and I think we'd have some trouble if we decided to use it. I agree - I think it's the most accurate word. But we have to tread a fine line between accuracy and using loaded words. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
OK - I'll do it tonight, then. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 21:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry - I ended up being out later than I intended, and I didn't get to it until tonight. It's done now. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 02:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Criticism of the Anti-Defamation League[edit]

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The new page Criticism of the Anti-Defamation League was put up to counter the problem, shared by such groups as the ADL and Human Rights Watch, of aggressive ctitics overwhelming the page. This is a routine solution on Wikipedia.Historicist (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Settle down[edit]

I believe there may be a typo in the message you left on Supreme Deliciousness' talk page. --Nsaum75 (talk) 04:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

One to go. Shouldn't "now welcome" be "not welcome"? Hertz1888 (talk) 13:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

El Cid[edit]

I notice you’ve put an image of an equestrian statue in the art section of this page. I don’t know if you noticed there’s a bit of an edit spat over images at the moment; do you have an opinion on the subject?
Also, it’s in the art section, which already has a picture of the Balboa Park statue, but it's next to the paragraph about literature (and which mentions the Mocedades de Rodrigo, specifically); Do you think its worth swapping for an image of that document? Swanny18 (talk) 20:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting[edit]

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Shalom[edit]

Shalom and thank you for your advice. I will try as best as possible to follow them. I may very well come back to you for help and more advice. All the best. --Boatduty177177 (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Shalom khaverim! As you may have heared, I was unfairly blocked for some time. Someone falsely accused me of being sockpuppet. I think I will take a long vacation. I really don't like this place as much as I used to. It's unfair to see anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish users gangging up on people like this. Anyway, it was nice meeting you. Maybe we will talk again in better circumstances. All the best to you. --Boatduty177177 (talk) 20:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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ADL Criticisms[edit]

Hi, I don't know whether you are clsoely following the deletion thread but, in case you are not doing so, I've made suggestions in the discussion. [11]--Peter cohen (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

David Oppenheimer[edit]

Hi thought you might want to take a look at Talk:David Oppenheimer#Synagogues.Skookum1 (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of the new Koren Sacks Siddur. Glad you created the wiki page--not something I am good at doing. In fact, I created the entry for Elyahu Koren, but first spelled his name Eliyahu, then was told it was Elyahu (so I changed it), and now I'm told it really is Eliyahu and want to go back to that spelling. Can you help? Also, it seems i've not sufficiently done things in wiki style and all my be deleted. Would appreciate your help. Thanks. sheryl.abbey@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheryl Abbey (talkcontribs) 20:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Beaux Art synagogues[edit]

Hi. I noticed your proposal at Category talk:Beaux Art synagogues, and was about to complete it, but I'm unsure about one thing. Do you want it renamed to Category:Beaux Arts synagogues or Category:Beaux-Arts synagogues? The difference is concerning the usage of a hyphen between Beaux and Arts. I await your response. Regards, The Earwig (Talk | Contribs) 03:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

rfc question[edit]

a lil confused, were your responses here intended to be their own view or an endorsement of Gatoclass's? If it was the former could you section it off as the others are, if it is the latter would you mind combing it into one comment and placing that as a numbered endorsement of Gatoclass's view? Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Response to your post on the RfC[edit]

Question for you on the talk page. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 20:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Congregation Emanu-El (Victoria, British Columbia)[edit]

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Montefiore Synagogue[edit]

I nominated Montefiore Synagogue at DYK and created an interesting hook. Let me know what you think. Keep up the great work! Alansohn (talk) 01:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Plymouth Synagogue[edit]

The article is currently legible for DYK? Are you planning on nominating. PS a good hook that springs to mind would be that it's the oldest Ashkenzi (I can't spell, sorry) Synagogue in the Enligh speaking world. Jolly Ω Janner 20:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I searched for photos on both Geograph British Isles and Flickr, but I didn't find any (well, none with the appropriate licenses). I shall now nominate it for DYK... Jolly Ω Janner 21:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hafrada[edit]

Hi Historicist, I saw that you were discussing with John Nagle a possible move for the article. I recently put the article up for deletion, and John has already commented. I thought I'd tell you about it in case you hadn't noticed. Cheers, Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

really?[edit]

and your rants about others is civil? kindly refrain from posting to my talk page, i have no use for hypocritical advice. Nableezy (talk) 03:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

I've thought about expanding the human rights sections Military of Nepal, Military of Pakistan, and Military of Morocco following your post at the AFD. Do you have any ideas? Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me if I have doubts about how long the information would stay up. I wonder about beginning an article on United Nations Peacekeeping troops, which would include successes, failures, and abuse of civilian populations.Historicist (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there not already an article on peacekeepers? I like that idea. Wikifan12345 (talk) 19:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


I'm actually interested in that too; a long time ago I did some research on the war between east and west pakistan and find it particularly interesting. Pakistan is in denial of that part of their history. Fuzbaby (talk) 15:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Once you leave Western Europe (you don't have to go far, Poland will do) you will find that most articles on the history and politics of every nation are either the merest PR copy, or history as it is written by an active nationalist movement. Certainly the history of Pakistan needs editing. This makes it a nation like almost all the other nations. I have a couple of times attempted to edit aspects of national history in sundry parts of the world when I happened to have material on my desk for other reasons. I find that even when material is well-sourced and accurate, it gets expunged rapidly if it is also unflattering to the notions of an active nationalist movement. Do go ahead, it is work that Wikipedia desperately needs Did you see the recent article in the New York Times, mostly on edit wars over Scientology, but citing national history as an area where Wikipedia is conspicuously biased and laughably inaccurate. It is probably the area of Wikipedia that most desperately needs attention. So, while the work may not be yours to complete, I do hope that you will undertake some part of it.Historicist (talk) 15:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Brighton synagogues[edit]

Thanks for adding to Middle Street Synagogue, Brighton and starting Brighton Regency Synagogue. I have a number of extra sources so I will try to expand the latter from tomorrow. As I'm local, I can go and take a picture if the Flickr ones aren't able to be released under suitable licences. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

A better pic of the Sassoon Mausoleum should be possible; it's on a corner site, which makes life easier. I should be able to get down there in a couple of weeks or so. Sadly Middle Street Synagogue is now closed for the foreseeable future: it is completely encased in scaffolding and can't be seen at all. I'm lucky I got the external shot when I did! If I see any announcements about reopening, I'll see if they're doing interior tours (they have occasionally in the past, especially during the Brighton Festival). Totally agree about Brighton's architecture; here are some of the best examples. I'm preparing a similar list of Grade II* listed buildings as well; many of those are Regency-era. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sassoon Mausoleum[edit]

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DYK nomination of Plymouth Synagogue[edit]

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Irving v. Lipstadt[edit]

Hey,


You seemed to like my new page. I have a peer review and a Good Article nomination, both active. I wonder if you might find time to express your thoughts in one (or both) of them. I guess if you have feedback, that would belong in the peer review, and if you think its already pretty good and want to support it, that would belong in the GA review. Direct edits are obviously welcome as well.

Thanks!

Some links to save you time:

TachyonJack (talk) 19:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Cheltenham Synagogue[edit]

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rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Merthyr Synagogue[edit]

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DYK for Bloomingdale Insane Asylum[edit]

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DYK for Sandys Row Synagogue[edit]

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WikiProject Israel new articles[edit]

Hi Historicist! I have noticed that you have been starting new articles on WikiProject Israel. Please announce them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel/New articles so that others may notice them. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 21:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Montefiore Synagogue[edit]

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Gatoclass (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC) 02:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Salomons museum[edit]

Nice work there! Just a quick note to say that you should use {{cite web}} for referencing the entries. The template looks a bit complicated but you can get it down to four fields at minimum - url, title, publisher, accessdate. See the example on the ref I added for the building being listed. Mjroots (talk) 05:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm back.[edit]

Not sure if you remember but a week or so ago we had a brief discussion about creating an article on UN peacekeeper abuses. Here was the info you posted:

UN peacekeepers have been accused of child rape, sexual abuse or soliciting prostitutes during various peacekeeping missions, starting in 2003, in Congo,[1] Haiti,[2][3] Liberia,[4] Sudan,[5] Burundi and Côte d'Ivoire.[6]

Would you be willing to collaborate in a sandbox? Wikifan12345 (talk) 09:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

References[edit]

Speedy deletion nomination of New Repertory Theatre[edit]

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Israel lobby revert[edit]

While your edit here was warranted, your explanation was off. The IP address restored stuff that did not belong in the article. You removed it, but provided an explanation that contradicted your intention. Thanks anyway. --GHcool (talk) 23:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

ref usage[edit]

Hello, when you use a ref multiple times it is better to use a named reference. Instead of repeating the ref multiple times you can do the following:
<ref>Israel's American Detractors - Back Again, by Michael Lewis, Middle East Quarterly, November 1997 [http://www.meforum.org/372/israels-american-detractors-back-again]</ref>
will become
<ref name="lewis">Israel's American Detractors - Back Again, by Michael Lewis, Middle East Quarterly, November 1997 [http://www.meforum.org/372/israels-american-detractors-back-again]</ref>
On each following instance of using that ref you then only need to include the name like so:
<ref name="lewis" /> (mind that you close the ref when calling it, it does not need a separate </ref>)
Doing this makes it much easier to edit the page. nableezy - 20:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, you do not have to name and define it every time, just the first time. After that just use <ref name"blah" /> with nothing else. Using the same name multiple times causes a ref error. nableezy - 22:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Courtesy fyi, report at ANI[edit]

This is to inform you that I have reported your recent lobby-related actions at the ANI notice board. I see these as non-neutral, OR and SYNTH. I also see it as classic disruption, although I have only used that term here, so far. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 04:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

page moves[edit]

Please do not unilaterally move pages to names that others may dispute, at least bring up the idea on the talk page prior to moving the article. If the move is at all contested it needs to go through the process at WP:RM and have an uninvolved editor close the discussion. nableezy - 03:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Anti-Israel lobby in the United States[edit]

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WP:ANI Thread regarding you[edit]

I was asked by an admin to alert you to this: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Revert_move_of_Jewish_lobby.2C_done_without_discussion.3F CarolMooreDC (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Plymouth Synagogue[edit]

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Question[edit]

Is there a reason why you are not arguing to keep the article you created? LoverOfTheRussianQueen (talk) 23:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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DYK Anti-Israel lobby in the United States[edit]

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Roof-top synagogue[edit]

I've looked through the pictures I took in the Brunswick estate in April and have found one that shows the cupola very clearly. Will upload over the weekend; I think I've got some sources with some info as well, to expand the article. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

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Anti-Israel Lobby[edit]

Have you withdrawn from the fray?

I am continuing work on the article in my userspace, hoping that when some of the dust settles we can revive it. I have a question for you about American Friends of the Middle East. Their webpage does not present them as a lobbying organization. Any references to lobbying efforts by the AFME in the New York Times peter out around 1960; in the last couple of years, they do not appear at all.

Are they still active? Are they still lobbying? --Ravpapa (talk) 07:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

As you would have seen had you simply followed the link, they changed their name but still exist. Moreover, the citation in the article dates to 2001 and describes them as "active" under the original name. The New York Times does not write about every lobbying organization every year.Historicist (talk) 15:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI in case you don't read talk per my tag of "History" section: As I brought up at Talk:Anti-Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States#Stict_guidelines_for_including_individuals.2Fgroups_per_WP:BLP_and_WP:Libel, a books.google search showed neither of the sources on Committee for Justice and Peace in the Holy Land included the phrase "anti-Israel," not to mention "anti-ISrael lobby," so they are not relevant and the whole history section will be deleted. CarolMooreDC (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tzippori Synagogue[edit]

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Did You Know problem[edit]

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Philipp Julius[edit]

Thank you very much for your positive criticism, I have rephrased the sentence and I hope it is not ambiguous anymore. If you have any other questions, please contact me again - when writing about a subject one is familiar with, one sometimes looses track on how the actual narrative is perceived by third parties. Your feedback is very much appreciated. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

And thank you very much for the c/e. Skäpperöd (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of GreenSun Energy[edit]

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Please check again. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 20:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed[edit]

Hello. Your DYK suggestion needs a citation. Please see the DYK page. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Good to go. Thanks for your prompt reply. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Patrick Boyd[edit]

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Rakowicki Cemetery[edit]

(You wrote)
I did a little clean-up of some issues in English usage in this article. Please check the part about the Allied soldiers buried in the cemetery, it was unclear. I attempted to clarify, but which to be sure that what I wrote was accurate. Nice article.Historicist (talk) 21:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the touch-ups. I had fun working on it. The bit about the Allied soldiers looks better now. Cheers, Poeticbent talk 03:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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El Cid[edit]

You were involved in a discussion on the lead image of this article a while ago. There is a proposal for this here Your comments would be appreciated. Swanny18 (talk) 21:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Way to Heaven (play)[edit]

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DYK nomination of Lindo lamp[edit]

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DYK nomination of Óbuda Synagogue[edit]

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I thought it is an interesting fact that even synagogues were not spared, despite WWI was not that severe (especially compared to WWII). Such decisions "on whether or not to add" are usually up to the author. I myself would mention it, also in the articles on the other involved buildings (if they exist), to show that it was a phenomenon, not just unlucky one. Materialscientist (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Reflections on the Revolution In Europe[edit]

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Articles for deletion nomination of Holsworthy Barracks terror plot[edit]

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Daniel Patrick Boyd[edit]

Thanks for sending me that afd. I believe we should work on Daniel Patrick Boyd. I think it should be under something more like 2009 North Carolina Jihad Cell. Best.ShamWow (talk) 03:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, good to know about that a page exists for the Raleigh group. I wonder if the Daniel Patrick Boyd article should be merged with the Raleigh group page. The Boyd article is much lengthier than the Raleigh page.ShamWow (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Please remove POV tags[edit]

There's already a discussion of this at AN/I. Please don't ad POV tags, as you do here,[12][13] simply because you have not prevailed on a BLP issue. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 19:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of False Moshe Ya'alon quotation[edit]

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Hi.[edit]

Do you have an email address? Wikifan12345 (talk) 20:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, you don't need to post your email address publically. In your preferences it can be enabled, and then you can email users from the "tool box section" that is located on the lower left of your screen. Wikifan12345 (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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Denial of the Temple in Jerusalem[edit]

Hi. Great article. Why don't you see if there's anything worth adding from Israeli–Palestinian history denial. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you aware that you remain under a topic ban from articles relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict? As you've written Denial of the Temple in Jerusalem, it's a clear violation of your topic ban, in particular the "History" section. I'm going to ask you to a) stop editing there, and b) respect the terms of your topic ban. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time, but next time you may be blocked. Again, if you feel the topic ban was inappropriate, I would invite you to ask for review at WP:AE, but testing the limits and seriousness of the ban through breaching experiments like this one is not the way to go. MastCell Talk 23:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Mast, Is it by any chance possible that you chill with the ban? There was no specific consensus for the ban and it came on the heels of sockpuppetry allegations, something that is not really related edit-warring (which is the point of these types of bans). Historict has not edit-warred since his block ended. Wikipedia is not better off without impeccably sourced pic-laden articles like Denial of the Temple in Jerusalem, an article now up for DYK. It makes far more sense to impose 1rr restriction then a topic ban. What do you think? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sockpuppetry allegations, proven sockpuppetry used to edit war in what a consensus of users found to be a BLP violation. There is no consensus required for an ARBPIA topic ban and if you or Historicist wish to appeal the ban WP:AE is thataway. nableezy - 04:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Nab: Please be more constructive on Wikipedia. No offense, but I think you should focus a little less on reverting all over the place and a little less on obsessing over getting editors banned. I can only speak for myself, but I would never argue for banishment of any editor who has far more DYK's then myself. Again, no offense intended. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Im sorry, I have a problem with users who edit war in BLP violating material that defames those whose views they dislike. Which incidentally is the exact behavior that led me to loose any respect for you I once had. So, no offense taken. nableezy - 04:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Brewcrewer: You are an admin, so you can't possibly be serious when you say that the sockpuppetry "allegations" have nothing to do with edit-warring. The sock was used to edit-war and circumvent 3RR. The sockpuppetry, as you well know, was confirmed by checkuser. I am actually willing to consider 1RR as reasonable, but I'm disturbed enough by your inappropriate enabling and excuse-making that I'm having second thoughts. If you can't at least bring yourself to admit that Historicist's behavior leading to the block - recidivist edit-warring and abusive, confirmed, sockpuppetry - was inappropriate, then I don't see how I can take your advocacy here seriously. I'll reiterate what I said previously: at this point, I think that the ban is a valid application of the discretionary sanctions, and completely in line with both their spirit and letter. As far as I'm concerned, the ban stands for now, and I will enforce it by block if needed. I'm willing to consider alternate proposals, as long as their proposers don't seem completely divorced from reality. Alternately, I'm willing for Historicist to submit this ban for review at WP:AE - the prescribed appeal process, IIRC - and I'll happily abide by whatever consensus emerged from uninvolved input there. MastCell Talk 04:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not an admin, thank god, but that's irrelevant. The lawyer within me gets the better of me and I always add "alleged" to everything. I'm not really disagreeing with the results of the CU. Besides a CU was not needed because the sockpuppetry was so obvious. It actually almost looked like he didn't know the rules of sockpuppetry (prolific article creators aren't really involved in wiki-politic policies). In any case I struck "allegations." I hope we can go forward from here in a positive manner that is advantageous to Wikipedia overall. That is, that Historict agree to a 1rr restriction, but that he be allowed to get back to his prolific article creations. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that familiarity with "wiki-politics" is essential to recognizing that it's wrong to circumvent a 3RR block with sockpuppets. I'd like to hear from Historicist. MastCell Talk 05:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
True that. And hearing from Historicist would be constructive at this point. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
These edits[14][15][16] are arguably topic ban violations as well, and this one is a much clearer violation. It looks as if nearly every edit since the block expired has been on the topic of IP relations. Edit warring was the tip of the iceberg. Speaking as a frequent target of accusations from this editor, there has been a general tendentiousness on talk pages and metapages regarding the IP conflict. When considering how many breaks to give a difficult editor who has clearly operated in bad faith, please consider the effect on the many editors whose efforts and goodwill are severely tested by this. Wikidemon (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
  • While I admit that I failed to read the fine print and did not realize that the ban on editing on the politics of the Middle East was permanent, I would like to point out that temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70. The earliest dating for the Palestinian people, by the political activist and Palestinian nationalist historian Rashid Khalidi in the standard work on the topic his Palestinian Identity, is sometime in the early twentieth century. I fail to see how writing on ancient archaeology or ancient history can be interpreted as writing on the Arab-Israeli conflict. We all have to accept facts as facts. There was a temple. There were ancient Jewish kingdom. The Arab conquest happened. By the modern era the majority of the population was Arabic-speaking Muslims. How we deal with the situation now is politics and does relate to the conflict. But ancient history is, thank heaven, still fact-based and ought ot be a topic separate from the conflict. Wikipedia, by the by, could use a lot more articles on topics in pseudo-history. A student using wikipedia would, for example, come away with the idea that the idea that Zheng He sailed to the Americas is supported by evidence and historical opinion Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact, and that the king of morocco is a descendant of the prophet and that Morocco is a constitutional monarchy - rather like Britain. I really think that too many editors spend their time attacking editors whose politics they dislike, and too little improving the encyclopedia.Historicist (talk) 01:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Historicist: You may by 100% right, but I don't think that will get us anywhere. Your prolific Ancient Israel/Modern Israel article creations are obviously extremely valuable to Wikipedia, but its edit-warring and other wiki-violations (like that earlier ban evasion) that concern other editors. From what I'm picking up here, if there are assurances that wiki-violations are a thing of the past and a promise not to edit-war (like agreeing to a 1rr), all this debate about what's under the ban and what isn't under the ban won't be necessary. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I would happily agree to a 1rr limit.Historicist (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


  • statement Although I only discovered DKY this summer, (I know that people had put some of my earlier articles up, but I only recently noticed that there was a nomination process) I have created hundreds of articles, most of which would have qualified for DKY since I first began. For some examples see: Rundbogenstil, Friedrich Weinbrenner, my series on historic earhquakes in the middle east including Galilee earthquake of 1837, Wooden synagogues and Oldest synagogues in the world, which settled the previous ceaseless, silly claims on the page Synagogue. I often do major renovations of articles that have lacked editing. See Riverdale, Bronx, and synagogue for examples. Most of my edits, however, consist of tidbits of info and minor cleanups. You can see my IP address, and, therefore, where I work. I keep Wikipedia open on my desktop and - as a way of avoiding the labor I am paid to perform - often add information that I have on hand.

I freely admit to losing my temper on certain topics. If you think that this is an hanging offense, so be it. It would save me a lot of time that I should probably be using elsewhere in the first place.

I continue to maintain, however, that national conflicts are the worst pages on Wikipedia. Not as high profile as the biographies that were recently put under supervision. But far more damaging in their impact. And a large part fo the trouble is the aggressive, partisan editing of editors who approach the subject without reliable evidence and make it impossible to edit reliable articles. I first met the aggressively contentious editors who I tangled with this month while spending three-months attempting to insert a well-documented fact into the page Rashid Khalidi. The information did ultimately get in. But when I see similar material (Poland is rife with it) I sigh and leave the page. Life is short. Wikipedia desperately needs professional editors for all pages on national history and contending national narratives. And I don't mean only Poland and the Middle East. the page on France is risible, starting with its absurd assertions about Roman provinces. If there were world enough and time... Historicist (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you that there are many areas of Wikipedia which sorely need attention. You are currently able to edit at will on pages about Riverdale, French history, historical earthquakes, and architecture. You can even write about pseudohistory, broadly defined, with only a few exceptions. I have no reason to doubt that your contributions in these areas are quite valuable. The concern with Denial of the Temple in Jerusalem should be obvious. You are welcome to write about the history of the Temple, its destruction, and so forth. But the "Denial" article focused largely on modern-day Palestinian and Israeli leaders, and dealt directly with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. My first preference would be for you to focus on some of the areas in which you profess interest and which are unrelated to the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I think this would be best for the encyclopedia and, probably, for your enjoyment of it. As a second choice, if you feel strongly, I would be fine with lifting the topic ban and replacing it with 1RR, with the understanding that any further sockpuppetry would result in a lengthy and probably indefinite block. I'll leave the decision up to you. MastCell Talk 23:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I would prefer lifting the topic ban and replacing it with 1RR, with no further sockpuppetry .Historicist (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
OK. I'll log the change to 1RR at the ArbCom case log. For clarity's sake, the restriction is that >1 revert (as defined in WP:3RR) in 24 hours would be a violation. The restriction applies to articles and pages touching on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, broadly defined. If you have a question as to whether it applies to a certain page, and you're considering going over 1RR, then probably best to ask ahead of time about the scope. If you'd rather not ask me, you can post to WP:AE for other input. MastCell Talk 05:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Article[edit]

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Cherasco Synagogue[edit]

Hey, Nice little article you created. I copy edited it a bit and made some WP:MOS changes. If you disagree with either of them, feel free to revert. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

In case you're interested, this is a list of all the articles you created. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
The official (?) website of the synagogue states that "A small stairway leads to a hall with a ritual fountain. There is a marble plaque above it, commemorating its donation by the De Benedetti brothers in 1797" ([17]. The articles says " A date of 5557 (1797) (...) on a staircase may refer to the date of the synagogue's construction, or of a renovation. (...)". It is not necessarily a contradiction but could be a nice complement to the article. As I am not a specialist in this topic, I don't what to alter the article without a stronger reference. What do you think? Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome[edit]

And if I may offer my two cents about this DYK: I would add a bit more to the hook to give it more context. How about adding that it took place in the 1300's, that its in Italy, that all the synagogues were turned into churches, or a combination of these added tidbits. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

DKY question[edit]

I once saw you listed at the top of a register of individuals with >25 DKY's. Can you point me to that list/page?Historicist (talk) 00:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Check out WP:DYKLIST. There are two lists: the one on top lists created/expanded and nominations, while the bottom lists created/expanded only. I think all yours fit in the created/expanded category. If you've made it to 25, I will be happy yo offer my congrats for your great DYK (Did You Know?) articles. Alansohn (talk) 00:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Temple Denial[edit]

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Academic articles[edit]

May I please appeal to you to use more discretion in your references to the two recent academic articles on the subject of "anti-semitism and anti-Israel beliefs"? These articles are valid sources for Wikipedia, but it is not appropriate to use them as definitive statements of authority on a subject as complicated as "new anti-Semitism". They certainly aren't appropriate for articles on Human Rights Watch or "Progressive Jewish Thought and the 'New Anti-Semitism'".

(You will note, btw, that I have not removed these articles from the New antisemitism page.) CJCurrie (talk) 23:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

  • A fine example of wikipedia no-nothingism. Two well-designed academic studies establishing not only that there a link between anti-Semiticm and anti-Israel activism, (the studies show that people with anti-Israel opinions, people who would never utter an anti-Semitic word and who deny being at all anti-Semitic, harbor deeply anti-Semitic attitudes,) and that anti-Israel rhetoric leads to anti-Semitic attitudes and incidents. I attempted to add a sentence, (differently tailored sentences) to four or five articles that contain lengthy sections on the argument over whether there is a link between anti-Smeitism and anti-Israel rhetoric. CJCurrie followed me around and removed the sentences from all but one article. Some people cannot bear to see actual evidence that contradicts their dealy-held beliefs. The pity is that so many of them edit Wikipedia.Historicist (talk) 23:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I did not use them as "definitive statements" of any kind. the articles referenced contain long sections on the arguments for and against the idea of a link. Even the one mention that CJCurrie did not remove, ws moved to the very bottom of an interminable laundry list of opinions arguing for or against the link. As I said, some people cannot stand seeing their eliefs contradicted by evidence, adn the stornger the evidence, the stronger the compulsion to edit it out.Historicist (talk) 23:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Antisemitism and anti-Israel activism[edit]

Hi. I responded to your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 02:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Assuming Good Faith[edit]

I see the fight you got going on Criticism of HRW. Hilarious. That guy Sean Hoyland accuses you of not assuming good faith but he is the one consistently attacking you as a POV warrior who has no respect for the rules. It's a tough article but I'll see if I can do anything. And if you need to add criticism, bypass that page and place it right on those individual's pages. Keep up the fight.ShamWow (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend[edit]

I haven't offered any opinion. I'm looking through the archives of RS/N now to see what they say. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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personal attacks and battleground mentality[edit]

Repeatedly calling others bullies and lauding people who you think "stand up to the bullies" is a violation of both WP:NPA and WP:BATTLE. If you do not wish to see your topic ban reinstated, as I am considering asking for, I would advise you to not continue saying these things. nableezy - 23:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Or, you might contemplate your own behavior.Historicist (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I do, but I dont plan on asking for me to topic banned. If you think you have a case for that feel free, I am just telling you it is not in your interest to continue saying these things. It just makes for another point in a request for you to be topic banned (it makes it real easy on admins when they see personal attacks and battleground mentality). Feel free to ignore my advice, but it is in your best interest if you follow it. Matter of fact, I dont even know why I am telling you this. nableezy - 23:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Garlasco[edit]

The reference to the mere rhetoric blog keeps being removed. I get that a blog might not count as a reliable source in general, but in this case it seems only helpful to include the link since that is where the story broke and the news sources cite it anyway. But I have little experience editing controversial articles, especially regarding living persons, so my sense on this may be incorrect. But in this case, it is not as if the MR post makes allegations beyond what appears in the various news articles, so including it isn't about providing evidence, but rather about how the story broke-- in other words, the MR blog is not a reliable source in itself, but rather a noteworthy part of the story itself. What do you think? I have posted to the talk page.PStrait (talk) 23:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of St. Anne's Church, Trani[edit]

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web sites vs. print edition[edit]

so if its in the articles section and hasd a publishing date it was a published article?Slatersteven (talk) 22:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC) Thank you for the clarrification.Slatersteven (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

on telling opinion columns form news stories[edit]

Thats an OR advantage, and as such not admisable.Slatersteven (talk) 22:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


No, it's really not. It's just how newspapers signal that a piece is an opinion column, not a news article.
Can you proved some sources pleae?Slatersteven (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
The by the definition of wikis rules this is WP:COS & and WP:OR.Slatersteven (talk) 22:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Etiquette[edit]

Don't bite the newcomer and assume good faith. Thanks, --69.208.131.94 (talk) 22:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

You are not a newcomer, you are an experienced editor and somebody's sockpuppet.Historicist (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Me or Histor?Slatersteven (talk) 22:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)LOL cross post there.Slatersteven (talk) 22:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Um, I actually have a history editing this article and just choose not to register with a user name, sorry that is so upsetting.--69.208.131.94 (talk) 22:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Slander[edit]

Joe Stork as you wrote it was appallingly one sided and little more then a piece of character assassination with little or no back ground details, just attacks on him [[18]]. Its not as if the information was hard to come by, there is a nice biography of himk on HRW's own web site.Slatersteven (talk) 14:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have. The point is you should have created a balanced page to start with, not just a reapeat of the accusation that are already on Wikipedia.Slatersteven (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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≈ Chamal talk ¤ 19:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

arbitration enforcement[edit]

I opened a thread at WP:AE on your recent actions, you can see this here. nableezy - 20:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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This topic ban is a bad decision. DVD 23:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Another US terror Plot (Colorado)[edit]

Thought this would interest you: [20]

Very nice. How could I doubt you?ShamWow (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Blocked[edit]

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An article you may not have seen before...[edit]

Shahawar Matin Siraj ShamWow (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Bikur Cholim Machzikay Hadath[edit]

Could you please see my question at Talk:Bikur Cholim Machzikay Hadath#Oldest synagogue?? Thanks - Jmabel | Talk 05:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Soho Synagogue[edit]

I came across this article and thought it might be of interest to you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

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Another historic Catskill synagogue[edit]

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Deletion review of Jews by "[non-Jewish] national descent"[edit]

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Merge Dan/Tel Dan[edit]

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