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dear Hornplease[edit]

I think I'm close to leaving Wikipedia, as I indicated in the famous ArbCom case we know. I'm on the verge of finishing a few things in the french pages, then I will sign off. I just wanted to say you good bye, and to thank you for your interventions, both in the case and also about Koenraad Elst, which is the topic I mainly contributed to in the English Wikipedia. I guess that, like me, you've got not so much good time with all the events that happened around, but I wanted to tell you that I appreciated your interventions and the intellectual honesty you still try to achieve in the Koenraad Elst article.

I see that you are still following the discussion in the talk page there. I give up but I think that all that Zydenbos has said about Elst is perfectly trustable and correct, and, anyway, the link appears in the "link section" of the article. If one day Zydenbos writes the same in a more "official" publication, I will mention it in the article directly.

In fact, what I can tell without a doubt is that Koenraad Elst is an extremely suspect writer, and not only for the political reasons explained in the Zydenbos page, but mainly for all his intellectual approach to Hinduism and India's history. The links given by Bondego about some criticisms placed at Elst (and Elst's counter responses) are in fact irrelevant, just as irrelevant as can be S. Devi w.r.t. Hinduism. If you have some time, I hope you'll find some interest to Rene Guenon's Introduction to the study of Hindu Doctrines (and also to other books by that author) which place you on the right intellectual setting for understanding metaphysics. It is worth reading.

That's it. I would like to thank you again, and to wish good time in Wikipedia and in your life for the years to come.

With warm regards,

TwoHorned 20:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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For all the energy and effort Hornplease displayed, I think Hornplease deserves this ! TwoHorned 20:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Frontline (magazine)[edit]

The Edit war has resumed. A new user, "Liberal Democrat" refuses to acknowledge primary sources and reverts to a libelous edit version, which is pure "bile". Request intervention. Vrsrini 09:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The user, "Lib Democrat" obviously doesn't want to live upto her/his name. I recommend a block. I leave it to your discretion. 09:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Hello User:Hornplease, just want to introduce myself. I've seen that you seem to do some really good work on wiki. I'm also interested in some of your areas, especially South Asian topics and wanted to help promote a fairer more unbiased work on these different articles. I was hoping you wouldn't mind me coming to you with some questions sometimes as I am not as familiar with all of wiki. Have a good day and keep up the good work--Kathanar 21:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello User:Hornplease, thank you for the welcome, I might need your advice soon. I am observing I think vandalism over at Indian American politics section. I'll be back in touch.--Kathanar 17:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello User:Hornplease, could you look at this [[1]] and give me your opinion or help on this matter. There is a move to delete a category I created for religious supremacists. Thanks --Kathanar 22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

My comment[edit]

A book on Hindutva forces misrepresenting history isn't the best book to show to a person who already has the impression that Indians are stealing Pakistan's history, it will push the two parties involved (Indians and Pakistanis) a lot further apart. I stand by my comments, it wasn't prudent for fowler to show him extracts from that book. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 23:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, bad faith was a bit of a heavy statement to use. By the way, my new signature isn't working, could you take a look at User:Nobleeagle/Sig and try and see the problem: Signing gets me this:

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It is meant to be this: NOBLEEAGLE [TALK] [C]

Don't worry, I fixed it. NOBLEEAGLE [TALK] [C] 23:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi. I was going to copyedit your recent and very informative addition here to match the other citations in form, but then realized you cited a page but no edition (which makes the citation unverifiable). Could you please either add the edition data (publisher, date) to the article or leave a note on my talk page indicating it? Thank you. Dahn 10:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. If I understood correctly, you wish to revisit that article and add more to it - I suppose this is from the same book. My main concern was to apply a single format to all references - since I edited the article, I stuck with the system of references I find most comfortable (book titles at the bottom, shortened citations as "author, page" in "Notes"), but we could just as well change it if you have any objection; however, I think that whatever format we use, we should be consistent throughout the article. That is to say, I will change the citation to the format currently used, and you are free to change it throughout the article or you can ask me to do it. Either way, yours was a very interesting addition.
I originally bumped into Nasi while editing on a related subject involving, of all places, Romania. I could provide citations for his activities in relation to Moldavia, but then noticed that the article was unreferenced (and my additions appeared over-detailed in comparison), so I just did some research into what was available on the net, and added some stuff. Overall, there is too little I know about about the man, so I would definitely encourage you to add more detail wherever in the article you see suited. Cheers, Dahn 12:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Squatting MOPs[edit]

I fully agree with you. That's why I moved the factoid to the "personal life" section as a matter-of-fact statement of where he lives. dab (𒁳) 15:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Indo-Aryan Migration[edit]

I'm sure he had a good reason, which was precisely why I asked. I know that there has been some conflict at that article - the reason I have it watchlisted is because of a particular user that had been creating POV redirects and other nonsense. That's actually why I was suprised that their wasn't further explanation in the edit summary or a direction to the talk page. To someone unfamiliar with the topic, like myself, it just looks like a sourced paragraph, since I'm not familiar with who's fringe in that particular field. Natalie 23:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Temp Page[edit]

The only way that this can work is if solid contributors like yourself help it work, Horn. You have seen how contentious the back and forth is in the Discussion area. Nothing is getting done and people are just getting mad at each other. By focusing the energies of the two groups interested in each area, we get twice as much done, instead of the tug of war we have now. I have asked Mar and Niko to put together a 2-sentence summary of the sections to be focused on in the Temp Page, so that somethin remains in the article until the Temp Page is reintegrated in a couple of weeks. Help me out, please.Arcayne 23:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, how to contact you?[edit]

Hi, Is there a way to contact you? I see that it wouldn't be reasonable to reveal your email address here, amidst the animosity prevalent. Can you please send an email message to {zalimjadir} at (leaving out the braces)? Systemic rant 06:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

300 Article[edit]

You are going to find that being polite with me will garner you much more assistance than would my ire. Please endavor to be more civil.Arcayne 22:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You will note that in each of your references of my remarks, they were not directed at any one person. I commented because your were. And no, I don't expect the film to be as rosy as that of a bad children's flick, but I do expect people to roll up their sleeves and actually doa little research. We have wasted over a week arguing about two reviews - two. At Rotten Tomatoes, there are gathered at least two dozen articles. In order to avoid the POV nonsense that will cripple the article's ability to reach GA and FA status (as that is what we ar aiming for, after all), we need to start utilizing more than just the sentiments of a minority or reviewers. I ask you to try and accept that, for a majority of the English wiki, the concerns of the Iranian cultural brigade is not going to really matter. Not that we are insensitive to your concerns, but rather that they carry less weight here than they would in, say, the Iranian wiki (if there is such a thing). Arcayne 23:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Again, I am going to ask you to be a tad more civil than you are now. Suggestin that I don't know my way around Wikipedia is pretty insulting, and not really conducive to working politely together. Please, don't do it again.

As well, rather than remind me of RS, perhaps you might endeavor to actually quote in the article some of the sources you allude to. Instead, we keep hearing about the Slate interview. I am not saying that it doesn't bear mentioning. I'm not even suggesting that were we to find a great many sources that say otherwise that we should ignore ones that point solely to the cultural insensitivities, we should not mention it. I am suggesting that these other sources should be cited, so as to avoid the appearance of wearing blinders. Lastly, you misunderstood my point about the English-language wiki. We aren't supposed to focus solely on Iranian news sources, and yet we have. I am not going to dwell on that. Hopefully, this will correct itself. Please, do not ever accuse me of cultural bias ever again. You don't know me, and you quite clearly have no idea what sorts of bias I do or do not have. Let's not talk about this anymore. Arcayne 00:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you done now? Is it out of your system? I certainly hope so, as I considered the conversation closed after my response to your last email. I archived my talk page with that understanding. Had I simply blanked my page, that would have been rude. Instead I archived it, because even the most inane conversations wherein the other person repeats back to me word for word (as if I somehow cannot remember) what I said teaches me something. That you chose to respond afterward, to have some sort of last word on the subject, kinda teaches quite clearly that this ego-driven and relatively uncivil behavior isn't really something I care to engage with. Please do not respond to my Talk Page any more; you have nothing to say that I find necessary to hear. I certainly hope I am being clear this time. I wouldn't want you to misinterpret or misunderstand me yet again. Arcayne 09:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Karunanidhi Article[edit]

I appreciate your efforts to remove POV statements from Karunanidhi article in both Achievements and Controversies section. You have removed statements regarding Selling SUN TV stakes as Original Research.(Synthesis). These reports of comparing Karunanidhi selling price and actual share IPO price appeared in many Indian newspapers, columns etc. For sample you can see here. I can give many more citations if required. I am reinserting those statements. I suggest you can modify statements in line with encyclopedic standards if required instead of removing paragraph completely. --Indianstar 06:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


Isn't Yvette Rosser notable? Birdsmight 07:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Lemme elaborate. I'm sorry if we got off on the wrong foot. I'm just sayin' that Rosser and Bhatnagar are hardly "random people". Rosser is a notable academic in such areas (politics I guess) and Bhatnagar is a notable personality (as the chief editor of a important periodical). Dunno much abt this Sundaram chappie so a removal of his opinion might be in order. What do you think? Birdsmight 07:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Does "partisan" necessarily mean unreliable as far as Rosser is concerned? I don't see anything in BLP that bans her opinions from the Bidwal page, particularly given the fact that the material is a reproduction of documentation from the Department of Curriculum and Instruction, The University of Texas at Austin (and so has some academic standing). As far as the Michael Moore comparison and your "polemical==inadmissible claim", websites like are, by construction, polemical. Yet it is referenced as a criticism of Moore.
Partisan groups are routinely quoted as criticisms of people, for instance,Bernard Goldberg's criticism of Michael Moore in Michael_Moore_controversies#Criticisms_by_conservative_authors (Fox News would certainly count as "partisan" in that case).What about this [2]? Partisan? Perhaps. But certainly notable given that they are the one Bidwai targets for his attacks on Hindus. These are the best quotable criticisms of Bidwai, and some criticism obviously belongs in his page, given his inherently inflammatory remarks against Hindus. Birdsmight 08:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that the issue is a bit more complicated than literal adherence to wp policies. the issues here are as follows:
  1. Bidwai has made some heavily incendiary remarks against Hindus, targeted at Hindus in a broad sense, that have encouraged violence against Hindus and encouraged discrimination against Hindus. These remarks border on hate speech. That much is clear
  2. Those remarks have provoked a response from certain parties who have been bold enough not to be intimidated by Marxist threats and intimidation tactics
  3. For the sake of balance in the article, those responses need to be stated on the grounds of quotability and notability. Since Rosser has academic qualifications her criticism is certainly notable enough for mention.
  4. Rosser does not make ad-hominem attacks against Bidwai, so libel issues don't apply. She is not defaming him, merely criticizing his position.We can talk about Bhatnagar separately (he is, in fact,a prolific contributor to multiple periodicals, and heads io, which is more than an "online publication").Birdsmight 09:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  5. wrt your statement "If Bidwai can get published in RS, then surely his critics can". In an ersatz-democracy like India, that is not the case. Birdsmight 09:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  6. As far as Bhatnagar is concerned. He had a discussion with Bidwai "I accosted Praful Bidwai also who had implied that all the alleged social and economic disasters in India are because of Hindutva and Hindu BJP-led governments. He first tried to evade, run away and ignore but, when squarely confronted, admitted that he did not blame BJP for all the ills, the Congress party was also guilty." so that interaction makes it notable (it's certainly not inherently disparaging to the man so there is no libel here). Perhaps it needs to be reworded a bit, but certainly not removed.Birdsmight 09:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
BLP is not being violated here as there is no defamation of character. Birdsmight 09:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid then that we are at an impasse, since I maintain that Rosser does not violate BLP, although Sundaram and Bhatnagar might. There are two options. Noticeboard or mediation. Which do you want to do first? I do not think I am under any obligation to "make my case" to you as such, only to an accredited wikipedia committee, with whom I am prepared to argue my case.Birdsmight 10:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

John Keegan Casey[edit]

Updated DYK query On 22 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Keegan Casey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 23:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Unseemly template[edit]

Horn, The Communism in India template (an ugly-looking one) is really improper in most of the places. For example, see EMS. The template has several fringe organisations, highly irrelevant in the case of the article. Then the Naxalbari movement was something antagonistic to the party EMS led. In fact the Naxalite organisations formerly used to call CPI(M) a social fascist organisation. Such antagonistic elements whose views have nothing in common shouldn't be brought under an umbrella template. What do you think of it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vidhrohi (talkcontribs) 16:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC).


Thanks for working out imbalances and undue weight from that article. Your edits look good so you can probably expect my support when the inevitable disagreement arrives. The Behnam 19:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Is Narendra Modi an infallible figure[edit]

Have a look at the pace with legtimate criticism of Modi is being removed when it has been clearly pointed out in Indian media that the Gujarat government has acceded that there have been fake encounters of Muslims claiming they were headed to assasinate Modi and have a look here [3] congratulating each other.

[4] The fake encounter issue has been raked in Gujarat assembly and even some BJP members have asked for full scale enquiries into the doings of Narendra Das Manohardas Modi.

WP does not restrict edits by IPs so why [Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington]] has run a tirade against unknown IP edits on Naranda Modi even though the POV is supported by newspapers and link on TOI provided 12:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


I beg to differ. An agnostic approach does not emphasise any historicity upon the film, it merely avoids the use of labels prone to personal interpretations, such as "fictional account of". In case you didn't notice, the alternative view to "fictional account" is to leave it blank, nobody suggests to coin it a "historical account" or anything like that. Don't you think that an agnostic approach is the most neutral strategy to follow? Miskin 01:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


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Zoroastrianism and Hinduism[edit]

Hi, this article that you tagged recently was originally created by the banned Hindutvaadi troll User:Maleabroad, which explains the unverified claims scattered throughout the article. In one sense the topic is valid since the Avesta and the Vedas, the texts which modern Hinduism evolved from share many similarities. But I wonder whether the page will look much different from Proto-Indo-Iranian religion once it is cleaned up. What are your thoughts? GizzaChat © 22:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought I'd seen that article somewhere, and was planning to look for it. You're right, it might be the case that we have a good case for redirection here; perhaps DBachmann might want to weigh in, given that this is close to his area of expertise? I'll let him know. Hornplease 22:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Please see Request for Arbitration[edit]

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Tendentious editing[edit]

Thanks for the information, Hornplease. *scratching head, trying to remember where I've run into you, because I think we have too...* :) – Riana 14:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Setalvad changes:[edit]

  • Her group, Sabrang Communications, received funds from the Congress Party to run anti-BJP advertisements in national dailies for the 1999 Lok Sabha elections.[6][7][8]

Um, you might have a grouse againt Varsha, but the above story is a fact. I dont see why you deleted it. You can read Javed Anand's interview on the 3rd link. Mikeslackenerny 09:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Your VB and AID edits[edit]

1. The Career Break part was authentic, and sourced from two places. Why did you remove it? 2. AID statements which you removed and replaced were sourced as well. Why are you removing these? You can add to them, or modify them, but removing sourced statements is a stretch. 3. PIPDPF .. don't know much about it. They have their own website I believe if you want to source information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikeslackenerny (talkcontribs) 02:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Would yahoogroups messages be a newsgroup? And would not a message from Varsha herself on the group authenticate it? Re blog, I can still agree with it, however, the post is an independent corroboration. And there is a thing to be said about going by the letter, instead of the spirit of the law. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikeslackenerny (talkcontribs) 04:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC).


BLN: I've been cleaning up a few Sangh Parivar articles, and I see that you protected Hindutva. Any plans for unprotection? Let me know what you need to have cleared up first. Hornplease 21:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure really. Could you ask another admin in due time? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Koenraad Elst[edit]

Hi - I see you have taken to removing texts and references related to this particular historian - I hope this is not a spree inspired by the blocking of Bakasuprman. There is no ban on Elst's works being used as a reference, and each article needs to be examined carefuly about whether Elst's works actually qualify as "non-notable" and "fringe" as you claim. Please desist from removing these texts and sources without prior discussion. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 19:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Your arguments on Elst seem reasonable - I don't personally think he is a fringe scholar, but that's me. However, my point was that you should not remove text/sources as if you're reverting vandalism. You need to launch a discussion with other editors and undo only if there a consensus. Also, you can balance the amount of weightage given to Elst's works. If 1-2 paras are on Elst, that is not appropriate. However, there is no problem in having 1-2 sentences discussing his theories. For example, in the Maulana Azad article, Elst's theory can be summarized in a couple of sentences - no need to give him a whole para.Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 22:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hornplease, if you suspect some intrinsic problem or something like "wikibombing" and corporate infiltration, you should raise it at ANI so we can effectively tackle it. It is true that I've never heard of Azad being criticized as a closet Islamist, so I'll check if any other credible source discusses the same possibility. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 23:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Re. Disruptive IP[edit]

Not yet. When an unregistered user vandalizes after their block expires, they must be warned and then reported to WP:AIV if they transgress a final warning.--Húsönd 10:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done! :-) Regards, Húsönd 11:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

your arbcom statement[edit]

Hi - just a clarification - when you talked about an administrator's conduct in your opening, did you mean me or Porpington? Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 14:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

P.N. Oak[edit]

Thanks for your recersion on the Oak page. I got fed up reverting Kkm5848's appalling edits. Despite listing RfCs, I got no support, so I'd appreciate some assistence to counter Kkm5848's unrelenting edit warring. Paul B 23:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


Dear Hornplease, I gave verifiable link about Thelka link and Babubhai Khatria to proof that it's not POV but NOR. with love John Paul 10:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

On user's page: [9]
Hornplease, Do you call contribution to wikipedia articles with verifiable information is combative attitude! Your recommendation to discuss point by point had been valid when I had objection with the contents of articles but I am contributing additional information reflecting other facts that are purposely ignored by pro authors. These articles are guarded like fort and none other than pro authors are allowed to add or edit and your reminding me WP policy.
"If its not about religions minorities, then why do mention below point in “Central Concept” of Hindutva article “emphasizing historical oppression of Hindus by invading forces like the Muslims (see Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent) and the Christians (see Goa Inquisition) and the call to "reverse" the influence resulting from these intrusions.
What is the need to mention “but came to prominence in Indian politics in the late 1980s after the events of Shah Banu Case and Babri Masjid”.
"The very reason Hindutva or Hindu Rastra exist are for above reasons and you say it’s not about the effect of on religions minorities! John Paul 10:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Replied [10]. Hornplease

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2[edit]


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Moose knuckle[edit]

Hi Hornplease. You recently deleted my {{prod}}s on the Moose knuckle and Mooseknuckle articles, as you said they were "sketchy". I am curious why you think so. I feel that mooseknuckles are deserving of their own article, should someone decide to create it. But a redirect to the cameltoe article, in my book, is akin to redirecting penis to vagina, which hardly seems appropriate. Gobonobo T C 08:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Theocracy[edit]

Template:Theocracy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Majoreditor 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

delsort India[edit]

Hi, could you add new entries to the top please. Also, it would be handy if you used the linked article title in the edit summary for additions so others can jump straight to the article — I like to see the article before I read others opinion to be sure I dont look at the article with a bias. It is also handy to have the article link in the edit summary for entries that are removed as well (even redlinks) so others can see which survived. Anyway, many thanks for doing the delsorting. John Vandenberg 09:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Teesta (again)[edit]

  • You are removing contecnt, including some that is not controversial. I dont understand why. And you are rewording things from a very particular angle. If she signed the letter (which she did) she herself calls herself leftist, and pro-leftist. If you have any problems, I would prefer that we request a moderator to examine this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikeslackenerny (talkcontribs) 08:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
    • Fair enough. I apologise for the slant accusation. Have added a new primary source. Can we conclude that she is an anti-BJP/Hindutva activist from that? Have a look. Mikeslackenerny 08:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[edit]

Already blocked him yesterday. [11]. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Nice to see that someone else is on the lookout too. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Per your request[edit]

"of course anyone calling for divestment from Israel would be viewed as antisemitic by the sources in question" - POV, and OR to boot. "Jay is unlikely to be cautious about accusations" - POV and a personal attack, as well "these views are marginal in any rational analysis." there are many, many more, but this should suffice. Isarig 20:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. My assumption that there are those who believe that divestment from Israel is motivated by, and part of, the new anti-Semitism is actually based on things that I have read on Wikipedia. If you disagree with that assessment, perhaps you should edit that page. My statement was made in the light of the fact that the sources cited invariably used the fact of Sabeel's presence in that movement as indicative. Do you disagree? If so, you should have done so at the time.
And about my comments re Jay: he has accused me, and many others, of various things in the past. The simple truth is that he is a little quick to judge about these matters. Note that he accused me of stalking, someone else pointed out that that was a little silly, and I chose to laugh it off by saying that that's just how Jay does business here. Would you prefer that I took it seriously?
More to the point, where do you get off telling someone who hardly ever edits mid-east stuff, and came here in response to an RfC, that they have an obvious POV? I have no idea who you are, but I do know that you have no idea at all what my views are about any of this. I do, however, know that WP isn't the place for fringe views to be pushed as the mainstream, and some of this is happening here.

Don't be so quick to judgment, and attempt collegiality on article talkpages. WP is not a battleground, etc. Hornplease 20:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Spam filter[edit]

Yes. The spam filter must have prevented you from saving the article with the link in it. I had arranged for someone to run a bot and replace all references to the website with {{fact}}. But looks like there is a problem. Now I think I will have to manually go through the list. - Aksi_great (talk) 06:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


Just a note re the Kathman debate. Thanks for commenting, but you've got it the wrong way round in this case! Kathman isn't Kazanas, he's Witzel. Kathman represents the mainstream opinion. But because mainstream scholarship does not typically debate this issue within its journals, most of the published material is from conspiracy theorists (hence my analogy with The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail on the talk page). Kathman is one of the few maintream scholars who examines this in detail, but most of this work is on his website, not in "hard copy". Kathman is indisputably a real scholar who represents the mainstream. Smatprt is trying to delete all the arguments and information from Kathman's site while retaining all material published by non experts in non-scholarly, purely commercial presses. This is like accepting Ithias Patrika as a reliable source and rejecting the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies - simply because one is on paper and the other isn't. Paul B 10:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh. I thought I might have, which was why I was hedging my words around with a dozen modifier and caveats. Hornplease 19:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Jayalalitha article[edit]

I have removed NPOV inserted by you in Jayalalitha article due to following reasons.

1) No discussions in Talk page 2) I am not sure whether you are inserting NPOV for few points in achivements section or Achivements section/Criticisms section together. There are tonnes of materials written in criticisms section. Her achivements in Veeranam scheme, Veerappan issue etc are verifiable and there are dozens of verifiable sources which talks about these achivements. If required you can mark them as [citation needed] so that people can add citations. We can remove points if people cannot add verifiable citations. 3) I wish to ask peer review of Karunanidhi/Jayalalitha articles. I feel these articles are being edited by same individuals. Most of them add wild allegations in Jayalalitha article and un verifiable appreciations in Karunanidhi article. --Indianstar 01:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Will add citations for some of the points. Do you sincerely believe Achivements in Karunanidhi article and criticisms in Jayalalitha article looks encyclopedic?. Does it look as properly sourced?. I mentioned Peer review to check neutrality.--Indianstar 01:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

Sorry, I misunderstood your edits. The word "its" is intended to refer to "the subject". Jayjg (talk) 01:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/PalestineRemembered[edit]


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Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad mediation update[edit]

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Kiwi Camara re-nominated for deletion[edit]

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Cool down[edit]

Hornplease, everybody is hootin' and hollerin' on that case but nobody is listening - not even ArbCom. I know it feels like denting one's pride to let the bitching slide, but just forget about it. I'm tryin' my best as well. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 13:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

As for the nuts you're engaging, they never listen and they never will. That's why they're in the mess they're in. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 13:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

HSS Article[edit]

Your points are not supported by the articles that you mentioned. One, because you don't provide direct reference to your argument. Second you sources (Outlook and The Economist) can't be verified since they are behind the paid wall. Please provide other sources or have the courtesy to revert your changes until you have the resources. I am sure, since you are a longtime WP contributor, you must have checked the discussion page before reverting my changes since I posted the exact same argument there too. Sjain 06:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Hornplease! I'm a new member from India. You're work on India is great. Thank you for keeping up the fight against obfuscatory, fundamentalist forces. I promise to do my best to carry on your good work. Regards -- Amit 13:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

attacking hindu articles?[edit]

Why are you only deleting hindu cats? Your friend kathanar Special:Contributions/Kathanar seems to be adding uncited cats left and right yet no censure. I politely and kindly ask that you cease and desist in taking such iflammatory actions. It's better for the project. --D-Boy 21:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do not lie to me. It is not nice. I implore to look over this statement you made on his talk page. [12] Why on earth did you lie to me? I am deeply hurt by your previous statement.--D-Boy 21:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from personal attacks. Your bias against Hindus gives you no right to call me such indecent names. I will be unable to have a civil discussion with you if you keep up such personal attacks.--D-Boy 22:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I really didn't know that Biography of Living Persons applied to dead people. Arbcom has no rulings on BLP that concern wanton emptying of Hindu cats, though it has ruled that begging for blocks on users whose ideologies you disagree with is unacceptable.Bakaman 21:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Sheila Chandra[edit]

Great point you made about need for the person to be self-identified with the religion in question. Cheers, Dogru144 20:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


Edit comments are not for discussion, talk pages are. IPSOS (talk) 21:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with you about talk page usage. By putting discussion in edit summaries, you are inviting reversion in order to reply to you in an edit comment. Think about it. IPSOS (talk) 02:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


I'm truly sorry that you believe so. Please feel free to restore it if you believe it needs further discussion, even tho my own analysis led me to believe otherwise. Regards, Phaedriel - 08:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Israeli-Palestinian conflict[edit]

Hi there. I appreciate your input regarding the current dispute. Keep it up! Suicup 09:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm beginning to get sick of editing these damned Israel/Palestine articles. Reams and reams of pointless arguments, POV admins, systemic bias and denial of the legitimacy of sources, just makes it too hard. If you are able to last much longer I commend you. Cheers Suicup 09:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I would also like to thank you for your input, actually. You seem to have some interesting ideas. I'm sure we will find a way to get through this in a way to answer everyone's legitimate concerns. thanks. --Sm8900 16:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

ANI -Bharatveer stalking Hornplease[edit]

You are also mentioned here.

Didn't you see this lynching spree? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 10:46, 10 Jul 2007 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev edit =[edit]

Looks like we're at an impasse. I'd like to submit issue to Mediation Cabal. Are you willing ?




Hi thank you for your useful contributions on the talk page of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Please, if it is not asking for too much, could you state whether you oppose or support my proposal in the way I have done here I think that will make it easier for any user to see whether it got support or it didn't. Thank you very much.--Jorditxei 10:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/NYScholar[edit]

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I've been tied up doing other things today, but I'll try to take a look soon. Jayjg (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev Request for Arbitration[edit]

Hello. I have submitted the Pranayam paragraph deletion issue for Arbitration. Kindly follow-up on the Arb page to provide your statement.



Hello. Are you interested in Sancho's offer in this matter ? If so please confirm on his Talk page. [[13]] Wikipost 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Sir[edit]

Please see this stuff from HT that speaks about planning in Gujarat Riots [14].I believe planning has been reported by many media , Sir..Have a lovely Sunday Sir..Terminador 19:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please comment[edit]

This is a message for all regulars at the “apartheid” AfD series. I believe there may have been a breakthrough. Please share your thoughts here. Thanks. --Targeman 03:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

V. T. Rajshekar (yawn)[edit]

Hi Hornplease. Our paths crossed on the User:Hkelkar issue. I wonder if you have an opinion on the sockpuppetiness or otherwise of User:Nahartasanhedrin who has suddenly made a great number of edits to the above, deeply depressing, WP:BLP article on a controversial activist. If you could bear to have any dealings with the above article and/or the related Dalit Voice, your sane approach would be much appreciated. Cheers. Itsmejudith 17:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

J K Rowling[edit]

Thanks for your comments on the Talk page. You might note that there is a strong sense of WP:OWN that is sometimes hard to overcome. Glad to see someone else shares my liberal view of NPOV. Libertycookies 16:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Mahmoud Ahmadinejad[edit]

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Saare Jahan Se Achcha[edit]

Hi Hornplease, Since you appear on the history of the page, could you please look at my post here on Ragib's talk page. Ragib is apparently taking a long wiki break. What is your opinion? Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

A request from a new member[edit]

hi, how are you. I began recently to contribute in wikipedia. I did my best to clean up and to enrich the article Zionism and racism allegations, but I am still a new wikipedian and my English language is not as good as what it should be. I think I still need some help. I hope you will participate in developing that page.

Please be sure to see my edits in the article since I fear that they will be reverted quicly. --Aaronshavit 08:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


Hornplease, it appears that no one has informed you that you were blocked.[15] This is being discussed at WP:ANI#User:Hornplease (was: Community's criminal negligence at revelation of personal information). You are now unblocked, and are welcome to participate in the discussion.Proabivouac 21:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I have the retracted the block in your log after Dmcdevit kindly agreed to do the check required, which showed that you have been in NYC for a while and not on the Harvard IPs and commercial provider ranges which intersected with the ranges declared on your userpage which did the five reverts. Apologies. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of Chinese apartheid AfD[edit]

Following your recent participation in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of French apartheid, you may be interested to know that a related article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, is currently being discussed on AfD. Comments can be left at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 15:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

discussion from AN/I[edit]

Specialjane believes the advice is good advice. Specialjane also was afraid that no good dead goes unpunished. It would be easy for an admin to say "blocked indefinitely, trolling" or "disruptive editing - blocked forever" and few admins seek out to unblock users blocked by mistake or blocked for too long a period. So Specialjane decided to give what should be non-controversial, good advice using the Specialjane account, not the regular Jane account. The names are similar on purpose. Believe me, I wish someone gave me such good advice. Several months ago, regular Jane got blocked by a hot head and it took great pains to get unblocked. (In fact, Hornplease, if you wanted to do a scientific study and got an admin to block you for 3 months with the made up explanation "trolling - block", I am certain you would find it extremely difficult to find an admin to unblock you. So the bottom line is move on, continue editing, and be glad that your block was only temporary. Good luck!Specialjane 04:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


I've replied you.BalanceRestored 10:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

they are showing their nigeerna things[edit]

Please see —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Upasthadharma (talkcontribs) 16:28:48, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

AfD nomination of List of United States Student Governments[edit]

List of United States Student Governments, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of United States Student Governments satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States Student Governments and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of United States Student Governments during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Realkyhick 06:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Karan Singh[edit]

Hi, he is from Kashmir Royal family, see the Royal family stub, he would have been actually the current Maharaja / Emperor of all Jammu and Kashmir if his father had not acceded to India. Wife is actually the princess of Nepal and children are princes and princesses of Kashmir to those who care for their royal family, no point removing all reference that this is the Royal family of disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir, also see Kashmir.

Thanks Atulsnischal 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Big problems at Battle of Jenin[edit]

The section you looked at in this article (ref CAMERA cites) is indeed one of the least objectionable, but even there good/fundamental information such as "*May 7 - The PA statement to the UN estimated that 375 Palestinians had been killed in the attacks on the West Bank.[16] Amongst these would be the 80 Palestinians (and 4 Israeli soldiers)[1] killed in Nablus in April." has been ruthlessly exised out. PalestineRemembered 14:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Alleged "Racial attack"[edit]

On DBachmann's talkpage, I already gave a clarification of your charge of "being racist" towards DBachmann. I hope you read it before he deleted all the contents of his talk page. In response, he later blabbered something about my parents and some such tangential, unrelated and obtuse stuff that never made sense. I hope that I have made myself clear. Indian_Air_Force (IAF) 15:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You're kidding, right?[edit]

My edits are disruptive? I'm adding appropriate cleanup tags to appropriate articles. An article called "Brazilian women's basketball team" says that it's a women's basketball team in Brazil. Is that a quality article? No. Should it be deleted. Most certainly. I added the tag. I also stand by my other edits. Timneu22 01:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply Timneu22 01:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

alternative proposal[edit]

I suggested this, which is I think more neutral and accurate : [17]
What do you think about it ? Alithien 20:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:New.waves.rumours.jpg[edit]

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:New.waves.rumours.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI 17:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Meh. I hate how quick bots are. Hornplease 18:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Question regarding RfC[edit]

Hi Hornplease,

I just have a question to help me understand the procedures of how RfC works, in regard to the John Howard article.

I wanted to know what the terms-of-reference are, that is, what issues you are (or were) looking at.

The RfC was started by User:Recurring Dreams. He mentioned FACT tags.

I then made a comment about FACT tags, and later I made another comment about deletion of content, that is, the practice of deleting content without following Wikiquette.

Someone else made a comment about editors with a conflict of interest.

Your comment and summary at the bottom of page seems to refer to the FACT tag issue.

So my question is, which of these issues does the RfC incorporate? Because the initial request made by Recurring Dreams was about FACT tags, is this where the RfC must stay? Were the other issues off-topic.

I ask for clarification, as I initially thought the other issues must be off-topic, as they weren't included in the RfC summary. That's why I then used the Wikiquette Alerts for assistance with the other issue, deletion of content. I received criticism for violating WP:MULTI.

Is the RfC over? Is there anything more to happen with that?

Thanks, Lester2 21:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Hornplease, for taking the time to explain the RfC process for me. It's much clearer now. Cheers, Lester2 13:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Your recent edit strikes me as somewhat disruptive. Please refrain from proclaiming your righteousness on this wiki. Look at my edits, you will see that I am a fine wikipedian with a history of making pages better, reporting vandals, removing spam, adding cleanup tags, and adding credible and pertinent content. I am sorry you don't agree with my request to delete two pages, but your unnecessary comments on my talk page are becoming disruptive. Please refrain from these types of edits. Timneu22 23:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Please note that no amount of energy can make up for patience and attention to policies and guidelines thrashed out by consensus. The English wikipedia, with which you are as yet unfamiliar, it seems, is the location for a great deal of disagreement, argument and careful consensus; and editors who make drastic edits in areas where they are inexpert, or are regularly incivil, are not generally looked on with favour, however energetic they may be at tagging articles. I strongly suggest you look at these things and acquire a little experience with our criteria for deletion and how we do things before announcing that I am trying to spam you. (I certainly don't see a successful RfA unless you do.) Thanks!
Hornplease 04:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
For the genesis of this discussion, see this diff, with edit comment "removing shit". Hornplease 04:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I've had enough of your insults. I am not unfamiliar with English wikipedia. Look at my track record. You're really annoying me with your constant messages. I'm sorry that you didn't think two pages shouldn't have been deleted. GET OVER IT. Oh, and you're not an English Wikipedia God. And if you are, you need other hobbies. Do not message me on this topic again. Timneu22 10:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if you felt insulted. I would certainly be interested to know what you thought was incivil, and will withdraw it. Please do note that my concern is not only the misapplication of CSD, but also the sort of incivility that leaves angry remarks in bold on my talkpage. Hornplease 11:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Urgent:India page[edit]

Hi Hornplease, In February 2007, we had an RfC on the Talk:India page (see here), and it was felt by a majority of the people commenting that stability of the article is important. Yesterday, out of the blue, Blnguyen, who has no history of editing on the India page, made a post on the page, that set all this off. Could you take a look at this section of the Talk:India page? In particular, User:Sarvagnya, for example, has returned to his scheme for de-constructing the India page. (By way of background: Nichalp, who usually watched over the article is busy this summer; Ragib, who was subbing for Nichalp is busy too. Blnguyen seems to think that the page is in bad shape and is about to be de-FA'd. He feels that it needs many more citations (and their lack) is reason enough for it to fail an FAR. Nichalp, when he was active, discouraged over-crowding the text with too many citations (especially when the text was composed in the summary-style, as India is). I think Blnguyen has some valid points: the page needs more (and certainly better) citations and the prose (especially of some new sections that were created by other people) needs revamping, but I think you might be in a good position to assess Blnguyen's idea of expanding the article to twice its size.) Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I've been following that and have already weighed in: [18]. Hornplease 12:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Request advice re Deletion of content[edit]

Hi Hornplease,

I ask your advice on this, because you are a very experienced Wikipedian and you have been closely following the goings-on with the John Howard page. I'm not looking for you to take sides on any particular content issue. I just seek advice on procedure.

You might have noticed my Wikiquette Alert request failed: Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Discourteous_deletions_by_User:Blnguyen__.26__User:Skyring_in_John_Howard_article

It has been deemed good etiquette for an editor to delete content, as long as they leave a note in the edit window, even when there has been an active discussion taking place on the same subject that the deleting editor didn't wish to partake in.

To me, the discussion pages are turning into a farce if people choose not to use them.

In the hierarchy of the Wikipedia complaints system, is there anywhere else to take this issue? Lester2 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on my talkpage[edit]

Just wanted to let you know, that I've responded to your comment on my talkpage. Thanks! --SXT4 02:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Bal Thackeray[edit]

Hi, I see that there is some disagreement over the Bal Thackeray page and the addition of some quotes to that article. While I don't have a particular stance on the issue, I've opened a little discussion at Talk:Bal Thackeray#Suicide squads, so that we can form a consensus and so that, rather than having a revert war, all parties can voice their opinions and act accordingly. Please lay out your specific rationale for deleting the quotes there to help generate discussion. Please be very specific as to what your concerns are. Thanks!--Hnsampat 12:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Reminder left for Atulsnischal on talk page by Hornplease[edit]

Please read the definition of vandalism at WP:VAND. An accusation of vandalism when material has been removed with an explanation framed in terms of WP policy is a violation of WP:AGF. I suggest you do not do it again. Hornplease 18:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you are trying to censor information in this article on Hindu Temples - What Happened to Them as well as in Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent.

Atulsnischal 19:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:AGF. I do not wish to censor information, but we do not link to large numbers of fringe publications. Please read the Voice of India page for details; note that all these articles on VOI books were started by accounts with no purpose but starting those pages, probably paid by the press in question. Wikipedia is not the location for the promotion of fringe perspectives. The Muslim conquest is a vast topic, and these perspectives are those of a tiny minority of scholars. Thus they do not belong in that article. And as for the Goel book, there are links to other Goel book articles. There is no need for linking individually to several different articles on the VOI website: this has been done for purposes of search engine optimization of that website. Please do not reinstate the links. Hornplease 19:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
What you are infact doing as visible to me is that you are systematically censoring and removing mention from wikipedia of atrocities committed against Hindus by Muslims and providing all bogus reasons for doing so. I am sure it is evident by now to many editors of wikipedia and administrators. Kindly do not censor articles please, I dont want to argue with you anymore. Atulsnischal 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Discussion continues on user talkpage. User reminded of WP:MULTI. Hornplease 19:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


Dear Hornplease: I notice you have made some comments on the Jat people talk page re. "Jangladesh" which seem very sensible to me. I wonder if you would also take a look at the page actually created for "Jangladesh" as well, please? I tried to tidy up the references a bit - but I really don't know what to do about it. Any suggestions you might have would be really welcome. Many thanks, John Hill 22:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC) PS I love your WP nickname!!!


Hi Hornplease, I noticed you reverted the addition of the {{Indian National Army}} to the Jawaharlal Nehru article (by me). If you had a look at this this page (which is a Encyclopaedia Britannica article on Nehru) you will see that it does include Nehru's role in the INA trial. I hope you will see why I added it. If you still believe it is unjustified, could you please leave me a message if you revert. I do not wish to get engaged in a revert war? Cheers.Rueben lys 23:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Indian Constitution[edit]


Since you have an interest in Indian Constitution, I'm wondering if you know any place where I could get the original Constitution, without any amendments. It seems that every edition out there isn't the original charter. Thanks! Evenfiel 03:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you happen to know where I could get it by paying a subscription? Evenfiel 12:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Reconsideration of Lyall Howard[edit]

Hi Hornplease. I read that you are in favour of deleting the Lyall Howard article. Just before the article was listed for deletion, someone had made changes to the intro which I feel reduced the subjects notability. The intro has since been rewritten. Can I ask you to read the article once more, with the new intro, for a second opinion? Thanks, Lester2 00:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Xerxes 'the Great'[edit]

Hi, In a recent edit to the above page you reverted my NPOV edit with the summary that there is no discussion of the question on the Talk page. This is not the case, or did you mean that because there wsa no *subsequent discussion, the NPOV was without merit? Either way, I have restored the NPOV tag as the article's use of "the Great" has no basis that I know of and is not neutral. Thanks, bigpad 18:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

P.N. Oak[edit]

Hi! Glad to be over the (first hump) in the Indus Valley page.

I noticed right now as I was editing the P. N. Oak page that you have had some difficulties there. I am doing a thorough edit of this page, trying ot bring out the clearly overblown nature of the theories he presents. I think it is clearly a scandal. Just to let you know, should you want to chip in. mukerjee (talk) 14:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wheel of Time : Dharmic Religions[edit]


I'm fairly certain 'dharmic religions' is a legitimate term to encompass both hinduism, buddhism (and others). Could you explain your edit to Wheel of Time and why you feel 'religions of indian origin' is more appropriate? Thanks!

Zero sharp 19:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh! I had no idea the term was unattested.. 'Indian Origin' is certainly fine. Thanks! Zero sharp 03:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


I have initiated a deletion review of an AFD which you were involved in. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. Balancer 04:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bernard Williams[edit]

Nice edits! The page is riddled with misundertandings, and inaccuracies. Thanks for taking on some of these. And, yes, I know I should too - but there is always so much to do! Anarchia 23:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hornplease you are systematically censoring articles about Hinduism and removing mention of atrocities committed by muslims against hindus[edit]

You have been systematically deleting mass text from related wikipedia articles

and additionally you have continuously taken to stalking me WP:STALKING, I have requested you to be warned against this at Wikipedia Administrator's Noticeboard for Complaints, for both above and specially censoring wikipedia with your biased and bogus policy arguments for doing so

Reported you here:

Thanks Atulsnischal 03:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ankush 135[edit]

Have reported my block for Arbitration —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Guess should have added it —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

A logical man would have read the case before posting a response on the ArbCom page. Then he wouldn't have asked why was the case on ArbCom's page at first place? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Gandhiji-avotary of sustainable living[edit]

Dear Mr. Hornplease,

I object to your removing an article about Gandhiji. This article came out of my interactions with large number of associates of Gandhiji. My father went to jail with Gandhiji and these associates were his friends. I am sure the Wiki readers will enjoy this aspect of Mahatma. So please read the article carefully before deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akraj (talkcontribs) 10:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Ramsetu[edit]

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I'm very sorry, I assumed that you were a vandal and undid your change! After going back through your reasons, I've reinstated it. Again, my apologies. Alexwoods 21:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverting George Fernandes page edit[edit]

I reverted your edit becos it didnt cite valid references as and when i saw them [19] .....maybe u forgot to add the source....thats why i had to revert it. Now i see that u have added a source so no problem now.....As for the other reference [20] ,i had to remove it becos it is a dead link.....if u can add other sources/references feel free to do so. Gprince007 15:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Hkelkar[edit]

User:Caskofamontillado. Last time I tried notifiying one of Hkelkar's I wasn't at first believed - I think you know your way around the system a bit better than me. Would be very grateful if you could either deal with it or give some advice on how I can. Thanks a lot. Itsmejudith 15:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Wise words, thanks. Itsmejudith 13:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

In response to your recent enquiry, this edit removed material that is well sourced. Blanking such material without sufficient reason, is considered by many editors to be vandalism. Please don't do it again. Mr. Hicks The III 21:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you were able to see what I was "on about" so quickly. I did not call you a vandal, but have stated, twice now , that some less charitable editor might view it that way. This is especially true since you appear to be involved in an edit war with numerous editors on that page, and have come very close to a WP:3RR violation. Please stop that, too, as 3RR is not a license to revert exactly 3 times per day, and editors are commonly blocked for doing excatly what you are doing on that page. Mr. Hicks The III 21:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I have explained my revert to you more than once. Your edit removed sourced material, which is a no-no. Don't do it again. In the last week, you have twice reverted exactly 3 times on that page, over the objections of numerous editors. If you think it will be fun to explore this at A/I, I suggest you keep doing it. I, for one, will have no compunction about reporting you for such obvious gaming of the system. Mr. Hicks The III 22:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Religious Freedom in Iran[edit]

I concede the point and appreciate your explanation, although I may take a stab at re-writing the mention of Iran's anti-Zionism. Thanks for being civil - I think you and I can probably come to agreement and avoid revert wars on all points if we both remember to take a step back every now and then. Also, I appreciate your interest in the discussion of Tibet, but watch out for the harassment policy. Alexwoods 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

References being removed from John Howard article[edit]

Hi Hornplease.

I'm writing you a message out of courtesy, as you were the administrator who presided over the RfC about referencing facts in the John Howard article.

As a result of that RfC, quite a few editors began the task for finding references for what was largely an unreferenced article.

As you're also aware, I did quite a lot of research for the Lyall Howard article, and sourced many articles and references for that one. Many of these references also had useful information about John Howard and his family life, so I carried some of these same references back to the John Howard article, and placed them alongside existing John Howard text that was unreferenced.

In recent times, User:Skyring(Pete) and User:Prester John have been removing these references, because some of those newspaper articles also mention Lyall Howard and his plantations. For example, the text that has the year that Lyall Howard died carried one of those references from the Lyall Howard article, as did the other line about Mona & John Howard being left in the house to fend for themselves after Lyall's death.

The Lyall articles were just a wealth of family facts that provided useful references for John Howard's early life. Other editors also used the same news stories to add references to John Howard. I'm pretty wild that the references are being deleted, and I wish to report it to the Administrators board.

As you were the one who presided over this issue recently, I thought you may be interested to know, before I take up the issue elsewhere.

Best wishes, --Lester2 02:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:NonAlignedMovement.jpg)[edit]

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Hi Hornplease, I need to use this pic: NonAlignedMovement.jpg in the Macedonian Wikipedia, in the articles about Cold War and the Non-Aligned. Can you grant a licence for this? Thanks, Cheers, Crnorizec (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Image on Subhas Bose page is probably not Rommel[edit]

Hi Hornplease, I noticed you edited the image on Subhas Bose page to say it is possibly Rommel. I remember reading a discussion somewhere (possibly the talk page) that it is not Rommel, going by the uniform and the Insignia. You might want to double check that. Cheers62.254.189.225 17:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks dude[edit]

Thanks for stepping in on the Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz article, it got quite heated and heavy due to a lot of arguing and also suspected sockpuppetry. If you're interested, I filed incident reports here and here, and am concerned it may be tired to this open case. Thanks again for your help because i'm not quite sure how to approach this. MezzoMezzo 20:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation[edit]

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Chalukya Dynasty[edit]

It is a pity that User:Dineshkannambadi does not know the difference between 'Faculty' and 'student'. If Adluri is a faculty member he must have been a PhD. I wonder how Kamat's status would be more exalted than that of Adluri. If software engineers can contribute countless articles on history citing two books and two websites ad nauseum, how one can denigrate Adluri and his webpage? User:Hornplease got to look into this. Kumarrao 18:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

New NCERT books[edit]

Hi there, For your information Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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the sad Wikipedia demise of an excellent editor on politics and contemporary issues and an unflagging crusader against BLP violations.--a banned troll —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


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AfD nomination of Indophobia[edit]

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AfD nomination of Muslim Separatism - Causes and Consequences[edit]

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Political articles[edit]

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Request for Mediation: Howard family copra interests[edit]

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Request for mediation not accepted[edit]

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"Bangalore "vs "Bengaluru", again[edit]

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WikiProject India Newsletter Volume III, Issue no. 001 - June 2008[edit]

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PSTS Policy & Guidelines Proposal[edit]

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I corresponded with you on a certain person a while ago. I share the grief. Truly yours. (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 1 - (June 2010)[edit]

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WP:IND Newsletter is back! It's been nearly a year since the last edition, but we hope to bring out issues on a more regular basis now. The India Wikiproject was set up to increasing coverage of India-related topics on Wikipedia, and over the past few months the focus has been on improving article quality. A number of the project's featured articles underwent featured article reviews over the past year. Of these, Darjeeling and Flag of India survived the review process, while the rest were demoted. During the same period, Gangtok, Harbhajan Singh, Darjeeling and Mysore were featured on the main page respectively on August 20, September 17, November 6 and December 29, 2009. Meanwhile, articles on topics as diverse as Political history of Mysore and Coorg (1565–1760), Marwari horse and Iravan were promoted as featured articles, and respectively appeared on the main page on March 25, May 17 and May 28, 2010. Consequently, the number of FA-class articles under the project's scope dropped from 67 in August 2009 to 63 in June 2010. The number of good articles, however, saw a more than 40% increase, from 91 to 130 during the same period, while the number of featured lists saw a 33% increase from 12 to 16.

Due to the recent policy changes regarding unreferenced Biographies of Living People (BLPs), an effort was started in January 2010 to source all unreferenced BLPs coming under Wikiproject India. 1200 such articles were identified initially and more were added to the list later. Due to the sourcing effort, the number of Indian unreferenced BLPs is down to 565 currently. During February-April 2010, There was a large scale disruption of Kerala related articles by a Thrissur based IP vandal. Editing from a dynamic IP BSNL connection, the vandal changed dates of birth, death and ages of a number of Malayalam and Tamil film actors. Later he added a few international biographies to his list. He also marked some living people like Arvind Swamy as dead. A month long range block was imposed on his IP range two times and each time he came back to vandalise dates once the block expired. Currently the range has been blocked for three months till September 11, 2010.

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WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 2 - November 2010[edit]

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After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias.

Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Wikipedia editing among the general public. In addition, a bot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched by User:Logicwiki.

What's New?

Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynasty appeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16.

The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc.

The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011.

In October there was a heated discussion in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue.

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  • The Bengali Wikisource, which contains the literary works of many prominent writers of Bengali language including Rabindranath Tagore, has crossed the 5,000 pages milestone. According to List of Wikisource page, Bengali Wikisource is now at rank 21 among 56 Wikisource based on number of content pages.
The Tamil Wikipedia stall at the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 in Coimbatore in June 2010.
Jimmy Wales introduces the Malayalam Wikipedia CD of 500 selected articles during his key note address at Wikimania 2010 at Gdansk.
  • The Hindi Wikipedia and its sister wiki projects migrated to the new vector interface on September 1, 2010. In addition, Hindi is the first (and so far the only) Indian language to be incorporated into the WikiBhasha translation and contribution toolkit developed by Microsoft Research.

Community news
The first meetup in Delhi on 22 September 2010.

Mumbai and Delhi held their first meetups in September, where Wikimedia Board members Barry Newstead and Bishakha Datta met up with Wikipedians and other interested members of the public in these cities. A month later, Hyderabad also held its first meetup.

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Wikipedians in Bangalore continued their tradition of meeting up regularly at the Centre for Internet and Society, with the nineteenth meetup in September featuring Barry and Bishaka as attendees, and marking the release of the community newsletter. Along with Delhi and Mumbai, Bangalore is reported to be one of the three cities in contention for the Indian office of the Wikipedia Foundation.

Jimmy Wales speech at the Mumbai Wikipedia Meetup #3 on 31 October 2010. Intro by User:Bishdatta & User:Arunram. (Recorded by User:AshLin.)

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had an interaction with Wikipedians followed by a presentation to members of the public at the third Wikipedia meetup in Mumbai on October 31, 2010.

The first Wikimarathon, where Wikipedians and members of the public were encouraged to contribute to Wikimedia projects onsite, was held simultaneously at the meetups in Bangalore and Chennai on November 14, 2010. Wikipedians in Delhi also held a meetup the same day.

The Malayalam Wikipedia held several academies in different parts of Kerala over the past few months.

Wikimedia Foundation board member Bishakha Datta and Indian Wikipedian Srinivas Gunta co-authored a panel presentation at Wikimania 2010 on the Wikimedia Asia Project.

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South Tibet/ Arunachal Pradesh / Arunachal Pradesh dispute / South Tibet dispute[edit]

As a participant to previous discussions at the South Tibet/ Arunachal Pradesh / Arunachal Pradesh dispute / South Tibet dispute talk page, you might be interested to participate to the following poll. Thanks, --Pseudois (talk) 04:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2012 Contest[edit]

Hello friends, we are a number of editors from WikiProject India have got together to assess the many thousands of articles under the stewardship of the project, and we'd love to have you, a fellow member, join us. These articles require assessment, that is, the addition of a WikiProject template to the talk page of an article, assessing it for quality and importance and adding a few extra parameters to it.

As of March 11, 2012, 07:00 UTC, WikiProject India has 95,998 articles under its stewardship. Of these 13,980 articles are completely unassessed (both for class and importance) and another 42,415 articles are unassessed for importance only. Accordingly, a Tag & Assess 2012 drive-cum-contest has begun from March 01, 2012 to last till May 31, 2012.

If you are new to assessment, you can learn the minimum about how to evaluate from Part One of the Assessment Guide. Part Two of the Guide will help you learn to employ the full functionality of the talk page template, should you choose to do so.

You can sign up on the Tag & Assess page. There are a number of awards to be given in recognition of your efforts. Come & join us to take part in this exciting new venture. You'll learn more about India in this way.

ssriram_mt (talk) & AshLin (talk) (Drive coordinators)

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John Dayal[edit]

Since you have been involved in editing or discussing this article in the past, you may want to comment on the proposal at Talk:John Dayal#Deletion of Criticism section. I have notified User:Pectore, User:Recordfreenow, User:Hornplease, User:Bakasuprman and User:Magicalsaumy. If you feel any other editors could contribute to this discuss, please invite them, Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Finance Secretary[edit]

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The article Finance Secretary has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

May be a copyvio of the linked article (can't tell), but, when translated, seems to be a news article rather than an encyclopaedia article

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Kateshortforbob talk 20:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Working President for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Working President is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Working President until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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