User talk:HorsePunchKid

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You are listening to me talk.

That I am. Welcome! Quinobi 17:51, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)



eLook, WordReference, - David Gerard 14:52, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, David, but I am aware that the infinitive form is acceptable in the "s" form. What I question is the legibility (and thus the acceptability) of the conjugated form "hypothesises". One out of one of the real people I asked to look at the word agreed that it appears to be a mangled plural form of "hypotheses". Not exactly a great sample size, I realize, though Google also agrees. In the interest of readability, I think the "-izes" version should stay. Obviously there are plenty of other "-ises" verbs in there, and I understand the value of maintaining a consistent dialect through the article. This just seemed exceptionally odd, or I wouldn't have bothered changing it.
Unrelated note: Wikipedia is an amusingly small world. You came up on Slashdot today for obscure reasons :). The video was interesting (and the article itself was a great read), though I think the author (commentator) was probably somewhat off on his perception of the flow of edits. HorsePunchKid 21:54, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)


Short of creating a disambig page (and replacing the top line of the Orca article with a standard « For other uses of the word Orca... » line, yes, the to-be-filled-in by some future author link belongs there. The Orca, a sea-monster, is slain by Rogero in chant XI, when it is about to devour Angelica (shades of Andromeda's story). See the Encyclopædia Britannica, amongst other sources. Urhixidur 21:56, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, then. Really the only thing that threw me off was that there was no reference to the Orca in the Orlando Furioso page, which suggested maybe it wasn't actually significant enough to warrant a notice on the main Orca page. I hope it wasn't inappropriate to put my comment in the edit summary — I wasn't sure it was worth opening a talk topic for. Thanks for the extra information, in any case! HorsePunchKid 01:19, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
See this update to Talk:Orca in case you're not watching that page. HorsePunchKid 03:22, 2005 May 17 (UTC)


I think you're misunderstanding me. I did say he made no notification--a previous notification. He made it AFTER he'd transferred the pic into ifd, and I'm not satified with that. The whole thing is just like a conspiracy: he removed it, made it orphaned, dumbed it into the deletion pages... -- Jerry Crimson Mann 22:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I do see what you're saying, I just don't agree that it's a conspiracy (aside from the fact that only one person was taking any action). He did remove it from the template (whether that was justified is irrelevant, I believe). Since that was the only place it was being used, it was eligible for deletion, so Zscout370 first posted a notice on your talk page, then listed it on IfD. It's a pretty reasonable progression of events, really. It smacks more of excessive efficiency than conspiracy :). HorsePunchKid 22:44, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
Well, it's really efficient....just too fast, isn't it...*sigh*...just happened in a I'm a bit of the Luddite, feeling so dismayed and helpless...This is my first time I'm facing the deletion problem... =( (gonna see the shrink...feeling sick) --Jerry Crimson Mann 22:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For a simple yet humorous explanation concerning my typo experience in image deletion problem, I, Jerry Crimson Mann, award you this barnstar whole-heartedly.

American Gold Eagle[edit]

Nice work, keep it up!!!! --Mb1000 22:55, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I went ahead and made similar modifications to American Platinum Eagle and American Silver Eagle. The layout on the Silver Eagle page is perhaps a bit questionable; it looks better at smaller browser sizes, at least. HorsePunchKid 03:15, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)

Dubai Copyedit[edit]


Thanks for taking the time to copy edit the Dubai article! AreJay 13:08, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Ogg[edit]

Thanks so much for your speedy reply to Jerry on my talk page. :-D — Instantnood 20:56, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a million dollars! :-* -- Jerry Crimson Mann 05:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Foot pounds[edit]

That unit notation is just annoying - it's the "official" one, but it's NEVER used in print, even over here. But the AnalWikis insisted on it... I often use a link but not always - I should linkify it more... Thanks for your understanding! And welcome! --SFoskett 00:42, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

TOCright proposal[edit]

Hello. Since you were part of the discussion of the Template:TOCright template once it was moved from VfD to the MoS, you might be interested in the draft proposal currently posted there. We appreciate any comments and suggestions you may have. -- Titoxd 23:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I have commented. Thank you for inviting me and thank you for your effort to move the discussion toward some practical conclusion! —HorsePunchKid 23:53, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to look into my San Miguel Arcangel de la Frontera mission contribuition, all your observations were well taken. EjidoMike 04:52, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

My sig[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that your "How's my driving?" RFC signature is by far the funniest I've seen here. The mental image it conjures of a half-asleep Wikipedian swerving through sentences and careening off punctuation marks while other editors honk and flash their lights is endlessly amusing. :)HorsePunchKid 08:22, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks =). Funny enough there was a night a didn't sleep at all, i just wikipedia'd all through the morning and rest of the day instead. At one point I ran into that same exact situation you described. Hehe. Wikipediaing under the incluence of sleep drunkeness is not recommended, do not try it at home. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 08:32, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Stewie Griffin: scatophile?[edit]

In the episode "Lethal Weapons," Stewie falls into a female baby's carriage and says "I smell a messy diaper. God, why does that turn me on?" But since that's the only thing I can think of to support the idea of Stewie as a scatophile, I won't be rushing to add that back to the article. Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for the reference. I don't think an isolated incident is enough to draw the conclusion, but I'll be keeping my eyes open for other instances. If there are enough to demonstrate a pattern of behavior, I've got no objection to it being in the article. Great username, by the way; I've seen your edits in various places and appreciated the reference. :)HorsePunchKid 22:33, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
I agree, there's no pattern right now. Thanks for the compliment, I like your username too, though I don't get the reference. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't get the reference in my username, either. The moniker was foisted upon me way back in high school, and, having no other use for it, I chose to use it as my generic online alias. I should make up a better story to go with it... —HorsePunchKid 08:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

A Thank You From The League Against Gratuitous Abuse of Semicolons[edit]

Yeah, I botched it in Blackface with regard to my attempt at a grammatical patch over a congealed mass of commas by putting a semicolon in; the portion after the semicolon would not have been a complete sentence. (Was this one right?) Thanks for the patch, and let it be observed that C programmers tend to overuse semicolons- something of a feature of the programming language. *grin* Kistaro Windrider 08:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome :). I'm glad you fixed the commas, though. Comma abuse bothers me much more than the occasional incorrect semicolon. As a programmer and fan of long, complicated sentences I, too, have been accused of overusing semicolons. I find them to be a useful tool for strengthening the relationship between adjacent sentences. Perhaps others don't really read them that way, though. —HorsePunchKid 08:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Blackface, "effect" and "affect"[edit]

This is just me talking to myself, but I need to archive a link to this version[1] of User:Deeceevoice's talk page, demonstrating his inability and—worse—lack of desire to be civil. To those of you out there reading about this issue regarding Blackface, you'd do well to read that talk link first. HorsePunchKid 2005-11-28 04:55:49Z

I haven't even read your note. The word is "affect." Period. Per Roget's Thesaurus, various appropriate synonyms are: "ASSUME 4, act, bluff, counterfeit, fake, feign, pretend, put on, sham, simulate." GOT THAT? deeceevoice 01:17, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Don't presume to lecture me about my attitude. I've quoted Roget's Thesaurus, and you assume I've somehow "misread" it? Please. Don't insult my intelligence. I could say the same thing with regard to your reading of the online dictionary. Presumably, if you can access an online dictionary, then you can also access Roget's online. Why not take a moment and do so -- before you ASS-ume I'm too simple-minded to read it correctly? When I need an English lesson from you, I'll let you know. deeceevoice 01:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Wow! Calm down there, deeceevoice. You can have it your way, though if you'd read my notes instead of intentionally ignoring them, you'd see I've got a pile of references, too, so that tack will get you nowhere. :( Fortunately, I've got better things to do than quibble semantics with people who don't know how to have a polite conversation. I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I hope the rest of my edits to the Blackface article were not amiss. —HorsePunchKid 01:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

This is not a war of wills, nor is it a pissing match; this is not about 'having it my way.' This is about what is appropriate syntax and what is not. "Effect" is clearly incorrect. Now, if I had written, "White blackface performers in the past used burnt cork and, later, greasepaint to affect jet-black skin and exaggerated lips, often wearing woolly wigs, gloves, tails, or ragged clothes to effect (rather than "complete") the transformation," that would have been correct. "Affect" would have been incorrect in the second instance (not to mention redundant). If you fail to understand the difference, there is little I can say to educate you. Next time, I suggest you do your homework a little more thoroughly before assuming someone incapable of understanding a simple list of synonyms and then writing them a lengthy, didactic and incorrect missive about what you incorrectly understand to be proper syntax. You will note that the other wholly unnecessary, niggling -- and in one case, obviously inappropriate -- changes you made in the body of the article also have been reverted. If it's not an improvement to a piece, then just leave it be. Changing something simply because it gives you something to do is just plain silly -- not to mention annoying. Next time, you might consider sticking to cleaning up the references, which, presumably, you've done adequately. I haven't checked them because, frankly, that sort of thing doesn't interest me in the least. But it's a necessary contribution, and I thank you for that. deeceevoice 07:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

HorsePunchKid, thanks for your comments on Blackface. I know nothing about the subject, but do like to bring some common sense to things, even if it takes some effort. HistoryBA 20:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


I note your deletion of the 'of course' and the parentheses - I suspect the paragraph thus remaining will now get mutilated in the unending turf war between physicists/engineers & mathematicians as to who truly has the Holy Grail of key concept... Linuxlad

Norman Borlaug[edit]

I think the anonymous user was either Borlaug or a relative/friend of his, because the IP traces to Richardson, TX, where he and his family live, and the user corrected the spelling of "Jeanie" ("Jeannie" is incorrect), and the source for "2 great grandchildren" is pretty old, more could've been born. We need more Nobel laureates editing Wikipedia. -- BRIAN0918  19:36, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


Please see my followup at Wikipedia_talk:Images_and_media_for_deletion#Question:_photograph_of_sculpture_from_the_AIC. I think you can post the image. Superm401 | Talk 07:06, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick category lesson[edit]

Thanks a bunch for teaching me that it only makes sense to categorize in the sharpest category, like in the KRQE article. (I'm not at all being sarcastic; I'm new-ish to the whole category thing.) -Oddtoddnm 05:21, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Thunderdome - thank you[edit]

Thanks for your continued help with the Thunderdome fiasco. This user and his vanity page will not beat a famous arena that has hosted NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Championship games. --fpo 05:59, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Pushkin hoax[edit]

Perhaps I'm being a bit zealous... but it feels wrong to send Google juice to the website of a publishing house that has already pulled off a successful hoax. +sj + 23:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


Horse, You moved it to the right place, I really had a bad day as others have in the past, that day. Thanks, [2] Hope you never have an uncivil person to deal with, takes up too much time to do constructive things Caio Scott 02:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem. I have had dealings with uncivil people here, and I'm afraid I have probably dealt out some of it at times. That is the price for the medium, I think, as Prof. John Gabriel once summed up (warning: some profanity). Perhaps a Wikipedia:Wikiholiday might help; it would be a shame to lose yet another valuable editor! —HorsePunchKid 02:43, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Horse, As they say here in the south, Bless your heart with a drawl, LOL Ain't that the truth Prof John Gabriel, Damn! Possibly our paths may cross again but in the mean time, a pleasure. PS: I don't think the swastika and such, is appropriate for sure. Let me know if I can ever help ya in any way. Cheers Scott 02:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Horse, Please indorse this one, Please, Thanks [3]


I'm going to walk you through this one very simply. Let's start here: Is there currently, or has there ever been a cartoon broadcast on television by the name of the Breakfast Monkey? Hinklethedink 17:20, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I welcome discourse with anyone capable of communicating in a courteous and constructive manner. It seemed like we could have had that kind of dialog, but now you appear to be resorting to condescension and vacuous rhetoric. Please check out the current version of the Gerard Way article. I have tried to make it more biographical, with less focus on his failed animation career. Hopefully this is closer to what you'd like to see in the article. —HorsePunchKid 05:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I commend you on your re-write. It seems well-reasoned and flows well. I tweaked two things, in the interest of a just compromise. I removed the details about the show, as I believe it should be saved for the show's innevitable entry. I also modified it to reflect that all that has been verified is that Way has said these things. I do hope that is agreeable. Incidently,I can't access your comment regarding your motive for leaving out Funhaus. Enlighten me, please. I apologize if I've caused tempers to flare. Months of saving those entries from truly vacuous and idiotic edits has frayed my nerves somewhat. Hinklethedink 06:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance yields no sound of post-punk, darkwave, goth-rock, goth-punk, gothic symphony, or goth metal sounds, therefore i would like to keep the genre under punk and emocore at most, adding goth will merely add confusion. It does not matter how goth they appear, they are not. Punk is a more appropriate genre.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Synthetic coma (talkcontribs) 2005-11-19 17:46:29

I've replied on the relevant talk page. Sorry it took me a while! HorsePunchKid 2005-10-21 03:50:23Z

Id rather not change it, so if you read your refrence then you would know that it is a description of appearence. not genre. yahoo launch has good genre summarys, check there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

To quote the primary reference on the page (an article by Rolling Stone, whom I consider to be reputable authority):
the party is well under way when the five members of the New Jersey goth-punk quintet
I will believe RS's categorizations over Yahoo!'s, though I'll check out theirs just for reference. In any case, genres are never very well defined; hence I have made an effort to be inclusive in the description. HorsePunchKid 2005-10-23 20:46:13Z

Ive changed the genre to Alt Rock and Punk rock, using Rolling Stone as a verifiable source. I also added Alternative Press to change the genre as well. Here's the deal, my RS source is valid, and the genre remains, OR Rolling Stone is not a valid source, in which your genre must be removed too.

Happy to free the genre Goth-punk and Goth Rock from the clutches of evil, Pluto Uebel


Comment to 'Articles for deletion/Thunderbolt (band)'[edit]

Regarding [4] The initial entry could not be finished yesterday, hence the entry being only the virtually non-informative stub for a day. However, the article in its current form (and will be updated as soon as the next record title is announced) is well worth preserving :) There has also been a remark that the 'mark for speedy deletion' tag within the article was once removed (yes, I know... BIG no-no), however that was an unintentional mishap due to database update lag (similar double commit, and me not paying proper attention to the error message before resubmitting).

Your edits have improved the article dramatically. I will try to clean things up here and there to make it fit into Wikipedia better. The only real problem I see is that it's rather difficult to find information about them online. Without that, it's hard to establish notability, unfortunately. Please don't be discouraged if the article doesn't survive the deletion process! It may be better to try and write an article about a more general topic, like "Scandanavian heavy metal", which could include information about Thunderbolt. —HorsePunchKid 05:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Thunderbolt (band) new release[edit]

Comment to your last edit: Source of info about the pending release is the band itself. About a month ago all the work was done (recording, mixing etc), but as long as matters is in the hands of the record label they were not yet certain when it will actually be released.

Well and good, but do you have a verifiable source? Maybe a press release or an interview in a magazine? A link from the record label? It's not that I specifically doubt what you're saying; it's just that one has to be skeptical of this sort of information when trying to write an ostensibly encyclopedic article. By the way, thanks for your work so far on the article! I'm glad that the deletion process didn't drive you away. It's not quite over yet, but it looks very unlikely that the article will be deleted. :)HorsePunchKid 03:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Language ordering in GR[edit]

No problem. About half an hour ago, I myself was confused about the '2-letter business' as well. :). We learn something new every day ... ---Mpatel (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

UTF-8 problems[edit]

Your web browser doesn't seem to handle UTF-8 wikitext properly. See the changes to the interwiki and interlanguage links that you introduced in this edit. Please read Help:Special characters and consider either upgrading your web browser or contacting a developer in order to have your web browser blacklisted. Uncle G 16:06, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My apologies! It is not, in fact, my browser, but rather the fact that for long documents, I tend to import them into Vim for editing. Unfortunately, Vim works with a severely limit charset. In this particular case, I wanted to do a search & replace, having moved List of internet slang to List of Internet slang. I'll certainly be more careful in the future, though; perhaps this is something that the new "Show changes" button can really help with. —HorsePunchKid 20:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

lil' <span> ditty[edit]

Hello there. I read a comment of yours somehwere saying how you used your .css file and a clever <span> tag to highlight your sigs on talk pages... this is ingenious!!! I've made myself one, hope you dont mind :P Cheers. deanos}{ Ł }{ 14:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Glad it helped! It would be nice if somehow MediaWiki would automatically wrap any sigs in some kind of span; maybe a <span class="sig">. I'm sure people would find uses for it, like turning all signatures off, for example. Maybe I'll file a feature request for that... —HorsePunchKid 17:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

link spam reverts[edit]

Eh, you sure managed to revert those quickly... when I first loaded his user contributions list, he was the top edit on almost all of them... then after I did about 6 I got one you reverted, so went back and reloaded his contributions... and you'd gotten the rest of them. :) Bushytails 05:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I do get very easily annoyed by link spam. I've ended up with some pretty high-traffic link spam pages on my watchlist, like Automobile. I didn't notice immediately (shame on me for assuming bad faith), but the fellow did eventually start putting in specific links instead of just links to his or her home page. Anyway, Firefox facilitated the reverting: just pop open a few diffs to see if it's that same link being added and simultaneously pop open the corresponding history page so you can get to a previous version once verifying the diff. Takes longer to describe it than to do it. :) Thanks for helping revert those, in any case! —HorsePunchKid 17:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
There's a possibility I'll become an admin soon, and rumor has it there's a rollback button that automatically reverts a user's edits from the contributions page. :)
I reverted all his later ones as well, that linked to specific pages... a quick check of the links showed the pages had far less content than the wikipedia articles, and still were of no use... he responded to this on his new talk page. Bushytails 21:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for looking deeper into the links that were being added. I was just about to once I realized that I was reverting the more specific links he'd been adding, but I decided it was probably time to call it a night. And as you point out, there are other people (hopefully including you, soon!) who can perform these rollbacks more efficiently. I figured by that time, at least one admin must have seen what was going on. —HorsePunchKid 21:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for spamming, glad its been worked out - I have been properly counseled--Sofsoldier 19:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC).


I've decided to copy you in on this comment that I added to Talk:USA PATRIOT Act.

I'm very sad to say that the article is next to useless. Neither the USA Act or USA PATRIOT Act detail the various clauses. There is tantalising detail here about what the Act contained: for instance, it allowed the FBI to employ translators!

I notice that the actual text of the Act itself has ten titles, each with their own important subsections. Hardly any are covered in this article. This makes it impossible for me to evaluate the criticisms levelled at the Act. I find that this is sad, especially in the light of the following sentence (from the article): "According to The Gallup Organization, the public is wary but ignorant about the USA PATRIOT Act." This article doesn't do much at all to assist with informing anyone about the scope of the Act!

Surely we can do better than this?

Ta bu shi da yu 09:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. It almost seems like USA PATRIOT Act should be moved to Controversy over the USA PATRIOT Act (or something more Wikipedia-ish), and we should start a new article from scratch about the act itself. I think anyone coming to the page for information about the act itself is going to be very frustrated by the emphasis on the debate about it. Is there a {{fork}} template à la {{merge}}? —HorsePunchKid 20:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Book of lists[edit]

I'm aware of the Wikipedia self-reference exceptions, I just think saying "many sites, including Wikipedia." calls too much attention to the fact that the reader is currently reading Wikipedia. Compare to the wording "Many sites on the Inernet, such as Wikipedia, ..." or "Sites on the Internet, particularly Wikipedia, ..." Not a big deal, and I have no problem with the way it is now, just wanted to explain where I was coming from, so you don't think I'm some fanatic that just goes around deleting all Wikpedia mentions. :) Turnstep 23:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Not to worry! At worst, I thought you might be taking the style guide a tad too literally. Thanks for the note. :)HorsePunchKid 03:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Forking off articles[edit]

Ideally, yes, such a move should be discussed in the article's talk page, or failing that, Requested moves or the Village Pump. Titoxd(?!?) 00:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks HorsePunchKid! (btw I don't know why but your name makes me laugh) I tried your cool css username highlight thingy but it doesnt seem to have any effect, this is what I did;

preferences: <span class="user-sig user-Bluemoose"><font color=darkgreen>'''''Martin'''''</font></span>

User:Bluemoose/monobook.css: user-Bluemoose { background: #DFD; }

have I done something stupid? thanks Martin 11:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Pretty close. The trick is that your user-Bluemoose identifier is a class of the <span>, so what you want is something more like this:
span.user-Bluemoose { background: #DFD; }
Hope that helps! (My monobook.css, for reference.) HorsePunchKid 19:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Aha, thats perfect, thanks! Martin 10:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, I am always on the prowl for good admin candidates, and briefly scanning over your contribs you look like a great candidate! You should consider whether you would like to be an admin (chech this out), if so then let me know and I would be delighted to nominate you. Martin 13:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Gallery Project link[edit]

Heya. The link I put there is for a GPL integration plugin for Gallery2 and the Geeklog CMS. I don't consider this 'advertising'. There are several other integration projects for G2 and I think it's completely appropriate to have them on this page - would it make you feel better if I listed them all in a seperate section?

Andy 16:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't get it. You removed my link to a useful resource yet you left the link to which doesn't actually offer anything? Please help me understand!

Andy 14:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, my latest edit was to remove the blatant copyright violation that User:Dmolavi introduced; I'd love to see the article expanded, but that's definitely not the way to do it! I didn't look at whatever else had been contributed, because the copyvio was the pressing issue at that moment.
Secondly, my criteria for deciding whether or not to remove a link is simple. Do I think it will be useful to someone researching the topic of the article? In the case of your link, I thought not; it seemed like you were just using Wikipedia to promote your code. Honestly, though, the fact that you took the time to ask me about it (which is more than 99% of the people whose links I revert) suggests to me that you had good intentions, regardless of what I may have thought.
Anyway, I restored your link (with a little bit of copy-editing). Greetings from a fellow G2 hacker, by the way! I wrote the updates module and Google Maps module, which seem to have become moderately popular. :) HorsePunchKid 18:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Honestly, my intention was to point people at an integration they might not otherwise know about. I would like to maybe add a section to have them all there. Do you think a section in the main article outlining embedding would be appropriate?
I'll have to check out your G2 modules - I like the Google Map idea!
Andy 19:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian linguists recategorization[edit]

The user categorisation scheme for linguistics has changed. Henceforth there are separate categories for Wikipedians who are professional linguists (Category:Wikipedians by professionWikipedian linguists) and Wikipedians who simply have an interest in linguistics (Category:Wikipedians by fields of interestWikipedians interested in linguistics). You are currently listed under the former category; please reassign yourself if necessary. —Psychonaut 17:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice; sadly, I am not a professional linguist. :( HorsePunchKid 19:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a ton !!! ......[edit]

.....for reverting vandalism on Aishwarya Rai, though you didn't know what it was abt. Well, thought I'll inform you that it had some of the choicest expletives and four-letter words. Thanks again for rvv-ing. --Gurubrahma 12:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the note. I figured I'd start linking webcomics to Comixpedia, since it could it could potentially be a more detailed resource that Wikipedia, not being restricted by having to be purely encyclopedic, but yeah I guess you are right, I'll wait till there is more original material on the site. --ColdFeet 07:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Schrödinger's cat in fiction[edit]

Hi. I noticed you voted a "weak delete" on Schrödinger's cat in fiction, saying that if it was kept, you would help clean and organize it a bit. I took a crack at this, since I'd like to see the article stay — if for no other reason, it might keep fiction cruft from building up in the main Schrödinger's cat page. I'd be curious to hear if the revised version meets your approval. Anville 20:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Very nice work! I'd definitely like to see this version kept. The one thing that stuck out to me is that the introductory paragraphs—while very readable and enjoyable—do not present the instances in chronological order. I think that could be useful in terms of tracking the history of how the idea spread into popular culture and such. HorsePunchKid 21:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi! How u find out my article:)? Luka Jačov 09:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello! I actually came across it while fixing instances where people had written 1920's instead of 1920s (see below, actually). I noticed you removed the categories I added. What do you think about the new ones? I think they're more accurate and relevant than the first two that I added. HorsePunchKid 20:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

1920's or 1920s?[edit]

For the record, either 1920s or 1920's can be considered correct. The Chicago Manual of Style says that the version without apostrophes is correct, but the Scholastic Guides Checking Your Grammar says that apostrophes can be included.

Oh well... as long as we're consistent. Vontafeijos 15:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Fascinating. You wouldn't write "nineteen twentie's" or "nineteen twenty's", would you? :) I hadn't planned to spend any more time on fixing them, anyway; it was mostly an excuse for finding some random articles to improve in some way. Anyway, thanks for the note. I will have to keep in mind that some may really prefer the apostrophe! HorsePunchKid 20:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


From my talk page:

This has been going on quite long enough. I've opened an arbcom case, and as you are party to this conflict, could you go make a statement there? I think Rex really needs to be dealt with. Being a third party myself, I'm not sure if I got every one, but I'm going to alert Mr. Tibbs, Kizzle, Derex, Jtdirl, and Woohookitty as well. I'd appreciate if you could alert anyone I've missed. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 06:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

JamesMLane 08:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I thought the other description was just a farce[edit]

The whole thing about life being evil, antibodhisattvas. I've never even heard of that term in my few years reading on buddhism. Also there is no such concept as evil in buddhism.



Kate will tell you how many edits you have, although i think it is the right attitude not to care. I think to have a clean fight you probably would need a bit more experience, but otherwise I can't see why anyone could oppose. Maybe I could nominate you in a few weeks or so. thanks Martin 22:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Further comment, sorry I was in a bit of a rush yesturday; If you make sure you are up to speed with admin type duties (the deletion areas, tagging speedies at Special:Newpages, blocking policy etc.) then that always goes a long way to reassuring people that you are not an insane vandal intent on world domination ;) seriously though, from what I have seen you are perfectly capable, its just good to demonstrate your skills in action. thanks Martin 11:29, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips! I've actually spent a fair amount of time on Newpages and Recentchanges, but I am not specifically involved with the RC Patrol or CVU or whatnot. As evidence, it looks like about 10% of the ~900 pages in the article namespace on my watchlist are red links, and the large majority of those are speedies that I've tagged. By the way, ~2,700 edits with ~1,800 in the article namespace, for what it's worth. HorsePunchKid 2005-10-21 05:55:34Z
Well thats good, I am very happy to nominate you for adminship, but as I'm sure you realise it can be an unpredictably rough ride sometimes, if you're sure you want to go for it then thats great. Martin 20:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I have thick skin and am prepared for a rough ride, as long as the criticism is constructive. I have poked around at a few other nominations and seen that people do make an attempt to provide useful suggestions. In any case, I believe the worst-case outcome is that the nomination fails and I continue to enjoy working on the project. Please feel free to nominate me at your convenience! :) HorsePunchKid 2005-10-22 02:28:15Z

Re Lake Forest High School (Illinois) references[edit]

You're welcome! :) I haven't found a source on Dave Eggers, although in my Google search it seems well known that he went to high school with Vaughn, and Eggers' Wikipedia article says he grew up in Lake Forest, so I guess it's a safe bet. I've got nothing on Peter Klein, though. HollyAm 03:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Ockenhouse[edit]

the template i put on the page was not a mistake. I intended it to be speedily deleted. someone has been creating a bunch of pages like that. they all seem to be part of some story. I think it merits speedy deletion.--Alhutch 06:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

It was a mistake in that it ({{nocontext}}) was a redlink. ;) The only template I knew of with a similar name was {{context}}, hence the change. You'll probably want to speedy Aleks Nakutis, too, by the way! HorsePunchKid 2005-10-21 06:27:46Z
Odd; now it is not red. I was just getting a red Template:nocontext for some reason, though I see now that the template (or redirect, rather) has existed for some time. Curious. HorsePunchKid 2005-10-21 06:32:49Z
yeah i think i typed it in wrong the first time. i probably put ({{noncontext}}) instead of ({{nocontext}}), which is a speedy tag. you weren't wrong to make the change you did. keep up the good work and i'll see you around the wiki :-) Thanks, Alhutch 06:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for the tip. I actually stopped watching the manual of style page after the first reply on my talk page (although no answer is necessary, please reply on my talk page in you intend to reply) Reply to David Latapie 10:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Schoolwatch Association of Photographers[edit]

Hello HorsePunchKid. I am currently in the process of assembling a Schoolwatch photographers organization on Wikipedia, and after noticing a number of the wonderful photographs you've uploaded, [5] I was wondering if you would be interested in joining our group by capturing other schools within your local area. If so, please take a look at Category:School images and see what we've accomplished so far. Bahn Mi 06:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on becoming a sysop. Have you had an opportunity to consider joining the photographers group? Bahn Mi 21:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello and thanks and sorry for the slow response! I lost your message in the jumble here on my talk page. I would gladly do what I can to take photos of schools around here. This isn't exactly a great season for photographing buildings, but it's not too bleak now that we've got some snow on the ground. :) If there's anything specific I can do to help, just let me know. I'll keep you informed of the school photos I add, if you'd like. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 06:57:14Z

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your help with my biochemistry question. If there is anything I can every do to repay the favor, please feel free to ask on my talk page. Warmest regards --Neutralitytalk 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

LOL i saw your self revert on the genetic drift. I like to give hints but never the answer. If you don't watch out they just come and post all their homework on your talk page :) David D. (Talk) 07:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye on my userpage, and on Monagz. And good luck with your RfA. +sj + 07:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


HorsePunchKid, I think Wikipedia would benefit if you were to become an admin. What do you think?--Commander Keane 11:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Too slow! ;)


What's with the skinhead look? R u a swimmer or somethin'? I've been seriously direlict in reading and responding in a timely fashion to notes left on my talk page. Thanks for visiting from time to time and keeping me abreast of this 'n' that. Peace 2 u. deeceevoice 06:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I wish I were a swimmer! I don't have the physique for it, sadly. No, the unintentional skinhead look did not last long. I got home very late one night and decided to shave my head after having had long, hippie hair for the better part of a decade (photographic proof!). I didn't keep it shaved, though; too much effort. It's growing back, as you can see here. ;) Thanks for the note, and take care. HorsePunchKid 2005-11-29 08:11:56Z

Hi (from User:Monagz)[edit]

Thanks for the response; that was faster than I expected. (I hope this time I writing in an o.k. place, which I think I am) I was just trying to do my assignment for a media class. I did find something to write, and I am now hoping it lasts a while (the longer it lasts, the more marks I get) before someone changes it. That was actually easy once I got the idea to look at several random pages in a row, (there are lots of stubs) but I had to do some research. Next time I hope to write on something I have first-hand knowlege on. You seem to be experienced... maybe I can learn something from you? Monagz 18:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC) Thanks again!

No problem, and this is definitely the right place to be writing to me. I'm not as experienced as some of the people around here, but if I can help in any way, just let me know! HorsePunchKid 2005-11-29 08:15:13Z
Alrighty then! Great! Monagz 18:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Conversion and converse[edit]

In traditional logic they are not the same thing and more than a different part of speech. "Conversion" is the process of inference and may require other rules in arriving at the "converse". "Converse" is the product of conversion. The "converse" article needs to be eliminated and redirected to "Conversion", but there is also the discussion that they should somehow be merged with "Inverse", which I think is not correct. Amerindianarts 00:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

You're a sysop![edit]

Hi, HorsePunchKid, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop
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Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»= Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! I was very pleased to see you nominated for adminship. I've run across you frequently on Wikipedia (we must share some interests, at least) and I've always been impressed by your work. Enjoy your new role! — Knowledge Seeker 04:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, congrats! I had no idea you were even up, I would've voted for you. (Looks like you made it just fine without me ;) ) · Katefan0(scribble)/my ridiculous poll 04:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Nichalp, Knowledge Seeker, Katefan0, and anyone else who supported me (or would have, at least ;-)! Thank you for your support, and I hope I will prove to be an effective administrator. I'll try to make the rounds and thank ye all individually, but it's going to take a while to get to everyone. :) HorsePunchKid 2005-12-01 05:30:16Z

Mazal Tov HPK! Rack up yet another victory for the good guys! Teeth.png TomerTALK 06:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (Flutamide)[edit]

Hey, thanks for helping me out with Flutamide. I don't think I've ever run into an edit conflict on an article I've just started, but for once it was a pleasant surprise. — Knowledge Seeker 09:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry for the conflict. I actually had the history open in another tab and refreshed right before I submitted to make sure I wouldn't conflict with you, but it now occurs to me that that doesn't quite cover the possibilities. :) I wasn't really sure what to do with the unknown values, so that's why I left them as undefined parameters. Thanks for the note! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-03 09:22:48Z

voting tendencies[edit]

I thought that I would let you know that I have done a self-analysis on my voting tendencies, based on statistical analysis. I had to do it by hand though because I couldn't figure out a tool to use. Took me about 2 hours to do, and then I gave up. I will link to my analysis here: User:Zordrac#AFD_votes. As a little quick conclusion, I have voted "delete" 61% of the time (in pure keep/delete votes). Also, of over 500 articles that I voted on, and with over 100 which worked out in the opposite manner to which I voted, I only nominated 2 for undeletion. A couple of others were marginal (there was one that was deleted with no votes) and there is one in progress which, if it is deleted, looks like a very good candidate for undeletion due to steamrolling - a second case of someone making false claims of sock puppetry to try to influence the vote. In this case, however, it is a case where that is the *ONLY* method of steamrolling (as opposed to the Sholom Keller one, where several methods were independently used), and it is incredibly obvious, by someone who seems to be a WikiStalker. The article I am referring to is Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joey_Hawkins. I am just getting in quick there. However, whether I actually nominate it or just use it as an example of steamrolling is another matter. The article in fact is borderline with notoriety - yes he is one of the most successful high school football coaches in USA, which we can prove. But he is still just a football coach. So at this stage I probably wouldn't nominate it for undeletion. But the correct processes were certainly not followed in that case. Another example for you to look at is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Absolute Boyfriend. With Absolute Boyfriend, it will now pass. That was a seperate kind of issue, however, and is the "sheep" problem, as evidenced with Tzmer whatever his name was - in other words, people were making unresearched and incorrect decisions about something.

So we have 2 prime examples of bad process, versus 2 prime examples of poor voting practise. What the end result is is irrelevant really. But what I have seen with the Joey Hawkins case is that *because* I noted elsewhere that it was unfair, some admins decided to deliberately influence the vote. Now, in my opinion, that's not the right way to go about things. That was a similar case to what happened with the Sholom Keller case - where *because* I pointed out that it was not following correct process, more abuses happened!

Anyway, you can look at my votes by clicking on the links in my page, and you will see that I research my votes, and never act as a sheep. You are free to disagree with my decision though. I am never influenced by other people, and always research everything. I have on a number of occasions been the only one to vote keep when everyone else voted delete - and in about half of these where others voted afterwards, the end result was keep because of my arguments, including people changing their vote from delete to keep because they had been acting like sheep.

I think that an awful lot of untrue things have been said in order to incorrectly support admins who are behaving badly. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 19:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

I'll be sure to read WP:CSD, I was unaware I incorrectly tagged that item. I never heard of the movie and tried to research but found nothing, so I tagged it nn-bio. I apologize if it caused problems. Make sure to warn me if I do it again. In The Flesh?

Nice save![edit]

Good work on saving that "Pope High School" article. - Lucky 6.9 03:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


What was that for? TomerTALK 05:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

ok...waiting...TomerTALK 05:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that! :) You should see what I intended to submit now. I apparently hit "save page" when I was trying to preview; gotta be only the second or third time that's ever happened. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-04 05:48:26Z
Ah. Nice... Lemme try it out... thanks for the support btw, on Talk:Lincoln. Tomertalk 05:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

dammit. now my pretty color is messed up for TALK... :-( TomerTALK 05:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, excellent. Teeth.png TomerTALK 06:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
'k TomerTALK 06:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
How's this? :-D TomerTALK 06:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks good! You can keep the "TALK" in lowercase if you want (since the small-caps property will make it still look uppercase), but perhaps you've got it uppercased to keep it from being too tiny. Regardless, the line height looks right, which was the point of this. :) HorsePunchKid 2005-12-04 06:19:42Z
Excellent. Thanks for playing! Tongue.png TomerTALK 06:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Oops. There. Much better. :-) Tomertalk 06:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding New life ambulance[edit]

hey man, that guy seriosly has been known for all of that stuff. i am new to article writing so I wasnt abel to post my citations to back it up.. but I can give them to you

"new life ambulance" —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 2005-12-05 03:15:25

I'm sorry, but I had to delete your article. It's a bit complicated, but Wikipedia has a pretty clear guideline that says that articles that serve only to disparage their subject are candidates for speedy deletion. You are free to recreate the article, but you should start out by providing some factual information about the company that might be relevant to an encyclopedia. Keep in mind that as an encyclopedic article, the things you say must be verifiable. You may also want to see Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers for some hints on how to write a better article. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-05 09:38:06Z


Look at most articles on Wikipedia. The introduction should have the title bolded but not italicised. Words as words does not apply here; the article discusses the concept of redshift, not the etymology or otherwise of the word redshift. I will await your comment before reverting. Enochlau 00:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

That's odd; I was making the change based on the precedent I'd seen in the rest of Wikipedia, not just to be pedantic. (Actually, I just wanted something trivial but necessary to change so I could get the article on my watchlist; apparently it's subject to dispute in ways that specifically interest me.)
Anyway, my understanding is that the rules are additive, not exclusive, and I do have a habit of changing them to reflect that. I could try to come up with some examples, but due to the nature of my editing and watchlist, it might be hard to come up with examples that weren't due to my own actions! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-06 00:46:44Z
You can't really reduce them down to additive or exclusive or something like that; just use common sense I guess. If words as words was meant to apply to the lead sentence, then almost every article would have that italicised - and in that, it would be mentioned in the Introduction style rule. My take on words as words is as it says: when a word (in this case "redshift") is being discussed as a word, not as the scientific concept. If you want to add a page to your watchlist without editing it, there's always the "watch" link at the top of the page. And yes, there's a heated dispute at redshift, which has in the past brought out the worst of people. I'd say tread carefully before joining in. Enochlau 00:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I went ahead and just slightly reworded it to avoid the ambiguity. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do that instead. Thanks for the warning about the dispute. I don't necessarily intend to join, but I do want to stay aware of what discussion is happening, since there is an RFAr or RFC or something going on with some of the users involved in editing the article. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-06 00:59:37Z
Thanks for the edit, it's good. Cheers. Enochlau 01:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's a bit of a large discussion page, so be prepared.) Hope to see you there. -Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 03:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I've skimmed the page a couple of times (after vaguely following the discussion at GWB), but hadn't really read it seriously until you mentioned it. I'm afraid I didn't really have anything original to say, but I hope my comments help get another version proposed that's closer to being acceptable. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-06 04:36:07Z

Tactile pad[edit]

Hi! Given the reference on the deleted version, I thought I was dealing with a straight cut-and-paste job. New article looks great. Sorry for the inconvenience. Best, Lucky 6.9 06:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem at all. It's actually vaguely comforting that a junk article like that didn't last long enough for me to clean it up before it got deleted. :) HorsePunchKid 2005-12-06 06:42:08Z

LOL! It's refreshing to run into a good sport. I've gotten reamed over far less than what you wrote. Take care and don't hesitate to drop me a line if you need anything. - Lucky 6.9 06:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


Someone's recreated the page you deleted - JagadishKumar_GandhiMurthy - and keeps removing the speedy deletion template.


Replied, thanks for the note! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-06 19:47:58Z


Just for your information. There is an arbitration process opened with regard to Gibraltarian in [[6]]. In spite of it, he goes on removing the {{disputed}} template in both Disputed status of Gibraltar and History of Gibraltar (discussion in the former is relevant for both articles). Best regards --Ecemaml 08:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. It was unfortunately obvious that User:Gibraltarian was not acting in good faith when he removed the {{disputed}} from the article. I was going to drop a WP:3RR warning on the talk page, but it looks like you're both well aware of it. :) Good luck with the RFAr! I hope it can be resolved peaceably and constructively. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-07 20:01:00Z

Well, I don't think so :-( Mind that he doesn't even give any evidence in the RFAr. --Ecemaml 08:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Como vai[edit]

I know you did not agree with me on Deeceevoice's RfC, but I have looked at some of your stuff and I think you're cool : ), Original Barnstar.png. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. :) I'm still not sure what to make of Deeceevoice, honestly. My first interaction was astonishingly and unexpectedly negative, but I'm not one to hold grudges. If nothing else, the RfC has shown me that Deeceevoice has been antagonised by a lot of people. I don't believe that justifies the incivility, but I'm not sure I wouldn't lash out under the same conditions. I hope we don't lose another editor, in any case. Take care, and I'll see ya around the wiki! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 06:52:59Z

Replied; sorry for taking so long! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 06:54:46Z

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Horse, punch, kid. ....εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

User test warnings[edit]

OOOPS!!! Thanks for letting me know. --Schmiteye 04:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

BTW, when faced with TWO blank pages, I didn't think it mattered. :-) --Schmiteye 04:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Replied! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-10 04:24:17Z
Ah ha! That makes perfect sense. Thanks again! --Schmiteye 04:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

D'oh! I finally got to survey the damage I did. Thanks for: (1) letting me know quickly (B) quickly cleaning up after me AND (III) for being so nice about it. --Schmiteye 06:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem. The damage was not significant, really. One of the nice things about MediaWiki is that it's hard (even for an admin) to do anything completely unfixable. It didn't take but a few minutes to move the messages to the talk pages. Let me know if you ever have any other questions! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 05:52:23Z

my talk page[edit]

I intend to go on a pretty long wikibreak. Would you mind deleting my talk page again? and my user page as well? Cheers, —R. Koot 05:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm actually supposed to do that sort of thing. (I'm a relatively new administrator, and I don't see any specific guidelines on it.) Would you be willing to just blank your user page and put a "User is on an extended wikibreak" message instead? I am happy to delete your talk page again, as long as you're sure you won't forget its location. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-11 05:18:17Z
It's just so my name shows up red and people don't bother asking questions I won't respond to. Historical stuff will still be on the archive if that's a problem. —R. Koot 05:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Alrighty, as long as you're aware that undeletion is only possible for a limited time (up until some sort of logs are cleared on the server, which happens only periodically). I'll go ahead and delete both pages now, and if any other admin has a problem with that, they'll have plenty of time to undo my actions. Farewell on your wikibreak, and please come back when you feel rested! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-11 05:24:01Z
There isn't anything important one those pages which I can't type again if decide to return some day. Thanks, —R. Koot 05:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Done and done. Take care, HorsePunchKid 2005-12-11 05:35:38Z
I don't know any policy about it, but I don't think deleting R.Koot's page was a good idea. Rudy, you should have just put a note that you are away, that's it. I hope it was not CSTAR who inspired you (he's a great user and admin, but that jesture was foolish). Anyway, everybody needs a break from time to time. I just hope you will be back. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for removing the speedy delete tag from Bolder Media so quickly. Much appreciated. -- Occipital

No problem. Unfortunately, the speedy deletion tags are being applied with ever-looser interpretation of the criteria, so I try to watch out for cases like that. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 05:55:20Z[edit]

I unprotected it. Any help would be greatly appreciated as we seem to have a ton of anons with their hands in this one. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

would the immature behavior BBwoman1 has displayed on my talk page be enough to get these moved to speedy deletion? It would seem as if all he is doing is vandalism with these entries (which would then seem to fall under speedy deletion) Whelck 06:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no. The criteria for speedy deletion are very specific. I have put the article on WP:AFD, though. This gives the Wikipedia community time to assess or improve the article. I fairly sure the decision will be to delete it, but you never know for sure. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-11 06:15:36Z
okay, thanks for the input. :) Whelck 06:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for the questions, but is there a proper way to report valdalism on my user page? BBwoman1 is directly vandalising it (I removed it once) Whelck 06:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Questions are always welcome. I have given User:BBwoman1 a warning on his talk page. I'll keep an eye on your user page and talk page, too. If he continues to vandalise pages, I can block him. You could report at WP:VIP, but it would probably be more hassle than it's worth. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-11 06:33:26Z
Thanks for all the help tonight. The admins around here are a very helpful bunch! Whelck 06:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Film Proposal[edit]

Butch Cassidy and the HorsePunchKid. What do you say? --Mr. Billion 08:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Cheep cheep* Boy, tough crowd tonight. Oh well. --Mr. Billion 16:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Heh heh... sorry, Mr. Billion! I went on a little break there. Funny, I never made the connection between HorsePunchKid and the Sundance Kid. I'm not sure exactly how this name came about, but maybe there is some relation there. Anyway, I'm down with it. Got a script? ;) HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 05:48:22Z

Regex question[edit]

Hey, I was impressed to note when we last conversed that you have the regular expression expert box thingy on your user page.... I am developing a bot at the moment, and want to be able to get all the wiki-links from an articles text such as [[Exploding whale]], I have almost done it by matching with regualar expressions, but quite frankly my knowledge of regex is not good at all. The pattern I have come up with is ([[[A-Za-z]*]]) but that doesn't work very well, apart from anything else it doesnt like punctuation. Anyway, I'm sure you can see what I'm trying to do, but do you know how to do it properly? (I hope that all makes sense) thanks Martin 17:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Howdy, Martin. Sorry for the slow response; I've been on a mini-break here. I'm not sure exactly what the best way to go about it is because I think it's somewhat dependent on the environment you're coding it in. For example, this code:
grep "\[\[.*\]\]" | sed -e 's/^[^[]*\[\[/[[/' \
  -e 's/]].*\[\[/]]\n[[/' -e 's/][^]]*$/]/' | sort | uniq
...seems to more or less successfully pull out all of the links from my talk page once I've saved it to a file. My thinking was that it would be easier to strip out everything that wasn't between a [[]] pair, but I can't think of a way to do that in a single regexp. I'll keep poking at it, though. Any thoughts? HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 06:26:09Z
(thanks for the reply) Ah I see your train of thought, I'll try and translate that into c#. I was thinking along the lines of finding any match to [[ text ]] a bit like this (I see you have the c++ box on your user page so hopefully this c# code isnt to alien!);

where strArticleText is the text string to search and strPattern is the regex pattern.

foreach (Match m in Regex.Matches(strArticleText, strPattern))
   //convert the match into a string
   string x = m.ToString();

   //adds the string to a listbox

Hopefully you can see what I was attempting, in the mean time I'll attempt your suggestion. best regards Martin 19:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


Just a message to say I have sent you a Wikipedia email about someone ban-evading so please read it when you can - I would've posted it here but I would like to remain discreet :) Thanks --Red-skinned femme-fatale black-latex-clad b-tch from Hell 21:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello there. I did get your email, but I've been on a little bit of a break. I'll try to get to it tonight! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 05:50:56Z


WTF mate? Semi-protection? Isn't the point of wiki that anyone can edit it? Way to ruin wikipedia! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 2005-12-12 10:58:25 (UTC), my anonymous friend at Lake Forest

That's one of the premises, certainly, but it must be balanced against the need to keep the encyclopedia free of vandalism—something I suspect you're quite familiar with. ;) Anyway, you can read more about the reasons here. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 05:59:06Z


Replied as well, under section"Como vai" ....εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 18:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The Hot Panty Boys[edit]

Hi, I put them up for speedy delete as I was getting pretty much no hits under google[7]. Since I don't read Dutch, I didn't do a Dutch search. From their entry they don't seem notable and they just got out a demo disc. Why do you feel it meets the criterion for notable muscians? Thanks. Janet13 20:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm positive that they don't meet the criteria for musicians, but absurdly enough, the criteria for speedy deletion don't cover that. You might apply #A7 (a.k.a. {{nn-bio}}), but it would certainly be a debatable interpretation, and hence should be taken to WP:AFD instead. If you haven't been there recently, you should check out the talk page for speedy deletion; there is considerable frustration about this topic. :(  I would not object if the speedy tag were again placed on the page; at least now I know you're aware of the issue! HorsePunchKid 2005-12-15 21:26:47Z
Mm, good point. I was interpreting this on non-notable vanity issues and I figured it was a common sense expansion considering that AfD is often crowded with bands. Didn't realize it was such a huge debate and so controversial. So, thoughts on what I should list it under? :) Janet13 22:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


Call it a stub then. It is notable information and should not have been deleted. Thanks for the warning though. That was nice of you. Daviddec 06:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand. I deleted the article because the title was quoted, on top of the fact that it was a tiny bit of trivia that should be in the article that it would have redirected to if the deleted article had an appropriate title, which it didn't. Now that's a confusing sentence. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-16 06:10:08Z

deeceevoice arbitration[edit]

As a party to her RfC, you might be interested to know a request for arbitration has been filed towards deeceevoice Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Deeceevoice.

-Justforasecond 18:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

From User:CagedInsomniak[edit]

I think he meant to drop this here instead of on my user page:

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Possibly in response to this message I left for him. HorsePunchKid 2005-12-17 04:18:49Z

User box[edit]

thanks! it really means a lot to me, that you appreciate it. I've been through hell lately, for trying to help and defend my fellow wikipedians. your comment made my night ;] --негіднийлють (Reply|Spam Me!*|RfS) 09:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)



Thanks for your comments. I am new to regex. The regex that you suggest is much more efficient! But it needs to be amended to avoid fully formed dates. For example: [[11 December]] [[2005]], [[11 December]], [[2005]]. It only needs to look for a preceding square bracket: ] [[2005]]. But there may also be a space or a comma.

What do you think of the following search ([^\]]{3})\[\[([0-9]{4})\]\] and the following replace $1$2 ?

Thanks for the reference to scriptlets but they might be too technical for me. I would also be grateful if you made your opinions known at: Wikipedia_talk:Bots#Bot_permission_please.3F?

Thanks. Bobblewik 13:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


The notice at the top of the page says where to make your edits if you don't want them to be lost the next time that the page is updated from the master copy. ☺ Uncle G 17:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Fortune Loune Group article deletion[edit]

I would like to understand better why the Fortune Lounge Group article keeps on being deleted, as I have tried as much as possible to re-edit the article so that it is less promotional. It would be nice for the Group to feature in the Wiki and I do not mind re-editing the material once again, but I do not understand the grounds for deletion.

I see you have a number of online casinos and poker rooms listed in the Wikipedia and these articles have external links so if this is not ideally the factor for deletion - please could you give me some tips as to how we can feature in the wiki without breaking the editorial rules per se.

I'd really like some feedback and will await a timeous response.Email me at



Since you're an admin that has tangled with this user before, I thought I'd let you know that he's proceeded to try to eliminate the existance of Category:Hair metal groups, replacing every article in that item with the more inaccurate and non-NPOV Category:Glam metal groups. I don't believe that he is a part if WP:MUSIC or that the change was made by any kind of consensus, which would probably amount to vandalism as well.

Looking at his talk history, which as you know he conveniently deletes every time, he's apparently been given warnings about this before. Time to pull the plug on him, maybe?

If I had the power to suggest as an admin, I'd have done something about it myself, but I'll have to leave it in your hands. ---Cjmarsicano 18:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!![edit]

MERRY CHRISTMAS, HorsePunchKid A well deserved subst:pressy!--Santa on Sleigh 22:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Custom signatures[edit]

I saw your discussion with User:Mzajac about ISO 8601 signatures (I'd been searching for a way to do it). My signature now is very similar to yours and MZ's. Also your span tags idea is wonderful. You might be interested in a user script I've written: User:Quarl/advanced_sig.js. It replaces ~~~~ with a custom signature when you submit the form (and allows you to replace the signature toolbar button). The default signature looks like this. Quarl (talk) 2006-01-05 05:57Z

Help with Widow's-peak page move[edit]

Hi, I recently tried to move this page to widow's peak, per your suggestion last October. However, the move failed because the target page already exists as a redirect to the current page. The move page suggested posting a notice on WP:RM and getting the help of an admin. But, since you're an admin and it was your idea to move the page in the first place, I figured why not just cut to the chase and ask you directly. Could you help me out here? Thanks, — EagleOne\Talk 03:59, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Div tags[edit]

Hey there HorsePunchKid, I've seen you around a lot, but havn't really talked to you too much. I was wondering if you could help me with my sig a bit... I'd like to be able to have to links in black, and one in green without adding two black font tags, and was wondering if there was a way to create a DIV tag to make the default link color for the text inside black; is this possible? And how, may I ask, can I create a div tag in the first place? Thanks. -Mysekurity 08:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC) (who knows he really should be on Wikibreak now, but just can't help it).

Page deletion[edit]

Based on a question at the Reference Desk by, (Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Phaistos Disk), I am following up as to why the Talk:Phaistos Disc/Archive1 page was deleted. It was tagged with DB by User:Kadmos and the reason given was "The only editor of this page accidentally created it and requests its deletion". However, I believe that this was a bad faith request on his part as he was not the only editor of the page. If you look at User talk:Kadmos you will see that he had already been asked by NSLE as to why he had removed content from the talk page instead of archiving it. I have only scanned through the deleted page but it appears that there is some complaints about Kadmos, such as "Before "Kadmos" came in, peace had been established..." (from Talk:Phaistos Disc/Archive2). Now I realize that I could well be taking the comments out of context but there seems to be a conflict between User 80.90.XX.XXX range and Kadmos. I realize that I could undelete the page myself but I don't think starting a wheel war is a great idea. So, can you review and see if the page should be undeleted.

I have also contacted User:Enochlau as to Talk:Phaistos Disc/Archive2. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Date links[edit]

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addPipesToHistory doesn't work for me[edit]

Hi, I like your idea to add an invisible pipe to page histories to make {{unsigned2}} easier! I tried copying your code, though, and it doesn't seem to be doing anything. Does it work for you? If it does, could you please have a look at User:Melchoir/monobook.js and see what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Melchoir 04:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Horse Punch I need your assistance please[edit]

Contact me on yahoo messenger at




I am trying to create a cool signature but I haven't got it right, can you help me (I was surfing and your page came up)? Please reply here. I have a monobook.css page but I don't know how it works. I'd like to be able to set the text and background colors on my signature.


<span class="user-sig user-USERNAME">Pergrinefisher</span> 08:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I've written about signature problems here {Please help}:[edit]

wikipedia : sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages;

wikipedia : how_to_fix_your_signature.

Please help.

If you are not offended, please, about the meaning, of your screenname? What? If you don't want to say, okay.

Thank You.

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Hi. I have a small style note. The period should actually go inside math formulas, not outside them, per WP:MSM. That because if the period is outside, it can get detached from the formula if the formula is at the right margin, and then the period looks very odd by itself on the next line. I thought I'd let you know. :) If you'd like to discuss this, you can do so at WT:WPM. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of See a man about a horse[edit]

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AfD nomination of Arsenicum album[edit]

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I think User:Fuckme is a sockpuppet from User:LanceWowlgg, could you check into that for me, Thank you! Please leave message on my talk page. HairyPerry(Talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC).

CCJ Juarez[edit]

Thanks for doing that merge. Fences&Windows 00:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Comparision of HTML editors[edit]

Hi Steven, I do not understand why you removed GNU Emacs from Comparison of HTML editors. Could you please explain on the discussion page there? Thanks. --Nopedia (talk) 11:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


You should add your more recent photo on the user page, as that old one is a bit.. odd... :((
:) Ha, ha, nice user page anyway! All best! -Tadijaspeaks 14:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of fastest production cars by acceleration for deletion[edit]

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Robert Frascino[edit]

Hi HorsePunchKid, I see that back in 2005, you deleted the page Robert Frascino. I'm not sure what that page was about or why it was deleted. I want to create a page with this name now, so I hope you can tell me what was already there and what the problem was. Thanks, Armadillopteryxtalk 17:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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MSU Interview[edit]

Dear HorsePunchKid,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

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If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at I will be more than happy to speak with you.

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Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck (talkcontribs) 22:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Interestingly, you're pretty off on this one. The dab page I linked to was clearly the most appropriate target. I could have linked to Botanical name, but good luck getting the meaning from that page! —HorsePunchKid (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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A new user right for New Page Patrollers[edit]

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Notification of pending suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity[edit]

Information icon Following a community discussion in June 2011, consensus was reached to provisionally suspend the administrative permissions of users who have been inactive for one year (i.e. administrators who have not made any edits or logged actions in more than one year). As a result of this discussion, your administrative permissions will be removed if you do not return to activity within the next month. If you wish to have these permissions reinstated should this occur, please post to the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard and the userright will be restored per the re-sysopping process (i.e. as long as the attending bureaucrats are reasonably satisfied that your account has not been compromised, that your inactivity did not have the effect of evading scrutiny of any actions which might have led to sanctions, that you have not been inactive for a three-year period of time, and that you have not been inactive from administrative tasks for a five year period of time). If you remain inactive for a three-year period of time, including the present year you have been inactive, you will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. Further, following a community discussion in March of 2018, administrators suspended for inactivity who have not had any logged administrative activity for five years will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. This removal of access is procedural only, and not intended to reflect negatively upon you in any way. We wish you the best in future endeavors, and thank you for your past administrative efforts. — JJMC89 bot 00:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Notification of imminent suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity[edit]

Information icon Following a community discussion in June 2011, consensus was reached to provisionally suspend the administrative permissions of users who have been inactive for one year (i.e. administrators who have not made any edits or logged actions in more than one year). As a result of this discussion, your administrative permissions will be removed if you do not return to activity within the next several days. If you wish to have these permissions reinstated should this occur, please post to the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard and the userright will be restored per the re-sysopping process (i.e. as long as the attending bureaucrats are reasonably satisfied that your account has not been compromised, that your inactivity did not have the effect of evading scrutiny of any actions which might have led to sanctions, that you have not been inactive for a three-year period of time, and that you have not been inactive from administrative tasks for a five year period of time). If you remain inactive for a three-year period of time, including the present year you have been inactive, you will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. Further, following a community discussion in March of 2018, administrators suspended for inactivity who have not had any logged administrative activity for five years will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. This removal of access is procedural only, and not intended to reflect negatively upon you in any way. We wish you the best in future endeavors, and thank you for your past administrative efforts. — JJMC89 bot 00:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity[edit]

Information icon Following a community discussion in June 2011, consensus was reached to provisionally suspend the administrative permissions of users who have been inactive for one year (i.e. administrators who have not made any edits or logged actions in more than one year). As a result of this discussion, your administrative permissions have been removed. If you wish to have these permissions reinstated, please post to the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard and the userright will be restored per the re-sysopping process (i.e. as long as the attending bureaucrats are reasonably satisfied that your account has not been compromised, that your inactivity did not have the effect of evading scrutiny of any actions which might have led to sanctions, that you have not been inactive for a three-year period of time, and that you have not been inactive from administrative tasks for a five year period of time). If you remain inactive for a three-year period of time, including the present year you have been inactive, you will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. Further, following a community discussion in March of 2018, administrators suspended for inactivity who have not had any logged administrative activity for five years will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFA. This removal of access is procedural only, and not intended to reflect negatively upon you in any way. We wish you the best in future endeavors, and thank you for your past administrative efforts. — xaosflux Talk 00:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)