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OTD posts[edit]

Hi Howcheng, as you've probably noticed, I'm spending a lot more time monitoring the articles going to the OTD section of the main page. As I know you're just about the only person working here, please know that these reviews are in no way personal and all I'm trying to do is reduce the level of low-quality articles getting to the main page. As a guide, I'm looking for good references, the actual blurb inline referenced, no dabs or redirects in the hooks, and that's about it. If I find any of the former, there'll be a report at errors, hopefully the day before - I can't guarantee that, with two young kids, my time is sporadic. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

No offense taken at all, and I'm glad to have more eyes. I tend to rush through the updates myself, doing only spot checks on the articles (two kids, coaching soccer, other volunteer work). howcheng {chat} 21:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the quick reply, happy new year etc to you! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

My belated congratulations![edit]

Please accept my belated congratulations for the new year. I wish you and your family a great 2017. Keep your fantastic job of updating OTD. I'll help as far as I can. --Mhhossein talk 15:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 14[edit]

Hi, I hope I haven't trod on any toes by removing your refimprove on Human Be-In I have sourced more references and intend to continue checking to see if more appropriate ones can be found. I am hoping that this will make the article suitable for inclusion on the main page tomorrow. It is the 50 anniversary of what was a significant event for the worldwide counter-culture and for mainstream press at the time, particularly being seen as the first event of the year of the original "Summer of Love" 1967. If any more references or work on the page is needed for inclusion please indicate and I'll be happy to do what I can.BorisAndDoris (talk) 19:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

@BorisAndDoris: Nice work, I put it back in. howcheng {chat} 22:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 29[edit]

Hi Howcheng. January 29, 2017 being the 50th anniversary of the Mantra-Rock Dance, which is a FA, I've taken the liberty of slotting it in for OTD. Also, its poster image happens to be a FP too, so I've put it in as well. I hope you concur. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 January 2017[edit]

Main Page ignores the Observance of International Holocaust Remembrance Day[edit]

@Howcheng: We see the template "this article needs additional citations for verification" prominently displayed at the top of the page International Holocaust Remembrance Day - as of January 26, by your edit. On the Main Page for 27 January, IHRD is not noted as Observed today - and when I queried this, see what reasons are provided by other editors: Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors#Today. My point at 20:53 is that the template serves as "caveat lector" to the problematic nature of the page - but those responsible - by a criterion of whose existence I and possibly others have been unaware - have decided to omit its observance from the Main Page. I have a grievance with this, particularly as a Wikipedia volunteer contributor who just this past week put in many hours of work in Wikidata on "random items" in numerous languages, and more. Ironic? Your response is requested. Thank you, -- Deborahjay (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Please, Howcheng, note that this is being discussed at ERRORS. That this user seems to only wish to complain rather than fix the issues noted is telling. It's nothing to do with denial of the Holocaust, as she has claimed, it's keeping up with Wikipedia standards, and that article is not good enough, as you rightly noted. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
@Deborahjay: Please see WP:OTDRULES. The maintenance tags on the article prevent it from being included. We did put the liberation of Auschwitz in OTD proper, though. howcheng {chat} 21:55, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
See my complaint on Waitangi Day below. It's disgusting that days of national significance to an entire country can be blocked from appearing at OTD simply because of one editor's opinion that the articles are not fully referenced. Definitely a lack of judgement by User:Howcheng. Pinging @Deborahjay: Akld guy (talk) 04:56, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Waitangi Day[edit]

I'm highly annoyed that on 5 February, one day before Waitangi Day is observed, you added the 'lack of references' tag to its article. Not many people know that the tag prevents the event from appearing in 'On this day...' on the Main Page. By the time I reported that Waitangi Day was not appearing, and learned that the tag prevented it, it was too late and Waitangi Day was nearly over. The timing of your addition of the tag looks suspicious, like you deliberately blocked the day from appearing, but I'm reluctantly forced to give you the benefit of the doubt. I removed the tag because it is not specific about where references are needed. It looks like you are an experienced editor who is well aware that the tag would block the article, because you have been told so on this page, above. If this was deliberate, don't pull this trick again or I'll report you. I'm watching your contribs. Akld guy (talk) 23:28, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

You assume facts not in evidence. Replied on the article talk page. howcheng {chat} 07:30, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

OTD Births/Deaths Proposal[edit]

Howard, the formatting isn't quite right yet but I made a draft at User:Whizz40/sandbox. In case helpful, I used Template:SelAnnivFooter/sandbox to eliminate the 'current date/ Reload the page' at the bottom. Whizz40 (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Lincoln Memorial[edit]

If you have problems with specific entries in the popcult section, please discuss them on the article's talk page, where I and other editors can express our opinions. Unlike you, [1] I have a very long history with this article, [2],[3] and therefore have a strong interest in its content. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and thank you![edit]

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So stoked you made it to Wikipedia Day/LA. Thank you!JSFarman (talk) 19:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

On This Day... February 24th, Estonian Independence Day[edit]

Hello, Howcheng! It is quite jarring not to see anything about the Estonian independence day on the Main Page today, especially considering that - meaning no disrespect - the holidays and observances that have been highlighted are of secondary importance in comparison. I understand you have omitted it because the article about the Declaration needs maintenance, but perhaps you can find another way (there is an article about the Independence Day itself, for example, or you could simply link to Estonia's article?). In any case, I kindly ask you to reconsider. All the best, OnToPhantom (talk) 08:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@OnToPhantom: I would, but the "Administrative divisions" and "Demographics" sections both need references. howcheng {chat} 09:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I see - that would be even more complicated, because actually we are currently in the middle of administrative reform. I will try to sort out the Historical Context paragraph in the article about the declaration then. OnToPhantom (talk) 09:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Howcheng: I found sources for all the content and also modified it a bit. I do not have a lot of experience editing Wikipedia, so I'll leave it for you to decide whether the changes are sufficient and the maintenance template can be removed. Hopefully this will resolve the OTD issue, if not, let me know. OnToPhantom (talk) 10:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Why did you remove the births and deaths in the update? Stephen 08:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Assuming it was an oversight, I've re-added them. Stephen
Oops, yeah that was an accident. I still need to replace Shunzhi Emperor because that article appears on another day. howcheng {chat} 16:06, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
I missed that, I'll find another. Your knowledge of OTD appearances is exemplary! Stephen 19:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
You've done it already, thanks. Stephen 19:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
@Stephen: The secret is to look on the article talk page. :) It's either in the {{OnThisDay}} template or within the {{Article history}}. howcheng {chat} 22:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
And there was me thinking you'd memorised all entries for every date ;) Stephen 22:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiSoCal is ramping up! Would love to include your brain[edit]

Heya! Long time since we last caught up and there's been so many incredible things going on here! We've just posted an ambitious grant proposal seeking support for the work we're doing and would love your review and endorsement if you like what you see. Grant proposal up at: WikiSoCal 2017 Proposal. And we would love to get you back down here to come play. There are so many ways we can have fun while serving the greater good. Talk soon? Ping me anytime! DrMel (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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On this day... April 27[edit]

Hi, I've added the missing references to the King's Day (Netherlands) article. Could you please move it back into Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/April 27? thayts💬 19:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

International Workers' Day replaced by Loyalty Day?[edit]

Greetings Howcheng, I am disappointed not seeing for May 1 International Workers' Day (honored by law in dozens of countries for decades) but instead there is a link for USA's Loyalty Day (celebrated by an unknown number of people). I recall seeing IWD listed in past years. I could not find any discussion directly addressing the question. Are you able to offer any insight? Thanks, Slothicm (talk) 06:11, 1 May 2017 (UTC)slothicm

@Slothicm: Please see WP:OTDRULES. We cannot have articles with yellow-level and higher maintenance tags on them, and the International Workers' Day article has many sections that do not have any citations whatsoever. howcheng {chat} 07:11, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
LOL, you put that tag on it yourself right before labour day, just so you could replace it with the day designed by the Americans to stop International Workers' Day from being celebrated (even though it's not a holiday and doesn't have any associated traditions and is thus not significant in any way).

And this tag on your userpage explains why you did it:

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Sorry, but ~75 refs is enough. Loyalty Day is no better in this regard. (Examples: Missing or empty |title= (help), CN in the lead, section without any citations whatsoever, etc.) The timing is problematic. I have added it to Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/May 1. El_C 10:42, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
@El C: It's not a matter of reference counting. There are a multitude of sections that do not have a single reference. @ That userbox refers to the United States men's national soccer team. Furthermore, Loyalty Day was already there and has been since 2013, so I did not do what you are accusing me of. You'll notice that I took out Law Day (United States) for the same reason. I do not have any political agenda here. Furthermore, look at my contributions. You'll find that I make many edits tagging articles for references in preparation for OTD inclusion. Personally, I find the idea of "Loyalty Day" rather repugnant. howcheng {chat} 16:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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Category:McDonald's High School All-Americans has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Update for 2017[edit]

Hello Howard! I'm curious as to why you almost always replace selected people for the OTD births & deaths with new ones, titling your edit 'update for 2017', while we all know selected birthdays and deaths started appearing in the English-language WP in 2017 and not the previous year. This move prevented the likes of Maria Theresa of Austria, Bertrand Russell and William Gladstone (among others) from *ever* appearing on their respective days. Please note I'm not questioning your choice of people, I'm just curious about how things work here. Regards, (talk) 19:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Curious_E

I replace articles for two reasons:
  1. Article is featured on a different day (example: Maria Theresa already appears on October 20)
  2. Article requires maintenance (example: Bertrand Russell, the Ancestry section has no references)
Please read WP:OTDRULES for more details. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 19:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you for your quick reply and explanation :) Bye (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Curious_E

Births and deaths[edit]

Hi Howcheng, we probably need to adjust the "Selected anniversaries" to include births and deaths which are eligible. Right now MurielMary is using the templates themselves as a staging area every time she adds a female bio. It would be easier to have a (real) staging area where all eligible bios for a given date (e.g. from births and deaths from the May 22 article) can be added, and then you can decide on the composition, keep track of the gender, ethnicity, age, reason for notability etc. We're going to need to track these births and deaths simply so they're not repeated every year. What do you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes good idea TRM - in the absence of a staging area Sollemne and I (and other editors) use the template, although I also add eligible extra entries into the staging area if the template is full, so that whoever is assessing the ones in the template can have some back-ups at hand in case any aren't suitable or the mix isn't broad enough. In addition, can we have a clarification of when/how to update for the forthcoming year? i.e. some of the templates and staging areas for April and May 2017 have been updated by Sollemne and/or myself with suggestions for April and May 2018, however I think this could get messy. Would it be easier to update the entire template (events and births/deaths) together in the lead-up to the day? This would be easier with a staging area. TIA MurielMary (talk) 20:48, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
OTD already has a staging area, it just needs expanding to include eligible births and deaths which would be where you add your suggestions. We all know that we can repeat these nominations year-on-year and we also know that getting a "balance" takes more than just looking at one day at a time, or one week, or one month. Perhaps we can do a quick check on ethnicity, gender, age (i.e. when "active"), reason for notability (i.e. profession) on every OTD so far and then track it going forward to ensure we're not out of balance. I guess ideally all four of those criteria (there may be more?) should be showing as equal in terms of exposure at this exciting new addition to OTD. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah I was thinking that we could just throw the additional births/deaths into the staging area, and I've been tracking them in the notes on the talk page, so we know who appears each year. At this time, I'm not too worried about diversity just because for a lot of the days, it's a real struggle just finding eligible articles. However, I do agree that new suggestions for next year would be better placed in the staging area than replacing what's currently showing. howcheng {chat} 02:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Come and join us at the Wiknic[edit]

LA Meetup: 6th Wiknic, 7/15 @ Pan Pacific Park

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You are cordially invited to the 6th Los Angeles Wiknic, a part of the nationwide Great American Wiknic. We'll be grilling, getting to know each other better, and building the L.A. Wikipedia community! The event is planned for Pan-Pacific Park and will be held on Saturday, July 15, 2017 from 9:30am to 4pm or so. Please RSVP and volunteer to bring food or drinks if possible!

I hope to see you there! Howcheng (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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MP edit[edit]

Great fix of the OTD blurb. Words added, meaning clarified, and it even reads better. Trifecta. GJ. Am I stoned? ...a little. Primergrey (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Shavuot (redux)[edit]

Hi. Thanks again for your help with Shavuot. I do have a question and comment, though.

Having just come back from being offline during the holiday, I notice that apparently, several of you decided that the sources we provided were "not good enough", dumped Shavuot back into not-eligible, and it didn't end up making it in until Thursday, the second day of the holiday.[1] Now, I will concede that the sources I found were not the very best. I tried to find some sources that were reasonably reliable so that I could quickly repair the article in time for the holiday, and found what I could quickly. But I—and many others who watch those pages—are religiously observant, and once the holiday actually begins, we're really in no position to do anything whatsoever about peoples' objections.

So there are two related but not identical questions here:

  • What do we do about people (not you) who are really anal (pardon me) about somehow defending the purity of Wikipedia, or at least its main page? We have often found that sources that WikiProject Judaism finds entirely appropriate get knocked down (at main page or GA) by people who know nothing about Judaism or Jewish sources.
  • As much as that one user was objecting to me that Main Page followers owe absolutely no help to us to watch our own pages, the truth is that once the holiday actually starts, we're really in no position to help ourselves, and are potentially vulnerable to people making decisions that we cannot then correct. In the case of Shavuot, for example, if we would list the holiday on May 31 (UTC), the holiday would have already started roughly seven hours earlier in Israel, five hours earlier in Britain, and just about exactly at midnight UTC on the Atlantic coast of North America. And even here in the Eastern US I was offline and preparing for the holiday by the time you put Shavuot back in the "ineligible" category. Unless someone on the US West Coast or in Hawaii is watching, we're out of luck. We tried in good faith to try to fix things, and the source was certainly not a terrible one for a C-class article like Shavuot.

So my commitment to you and the Main Page team is this: As much as incidents like this really frustrate me about working on English Wikipedia, I'll try to work to get every major holiday page at least to B-level, and I'll try to make sure we're in good shape a week before the holiday at minimum. At the same time, please AGF on our part, and please assume that any source that isn't an outright blog is provisionally acceptable. (For example, My Jewish Learning is an editorially-controlled website, not a blog shop. I've never seen anything in it that doesn't have some grounding in acceptable sources, even when those aren't made explicit on the web site.) I'm hoping that by being ready a week ahead of time, we won't have troubles like these, whether we end up listing holidays on the eve or the day of the holiday. But then we need some good faith from the Main Page people that once we get within twelve hours of the holiday UTC, when we are starting to drop offline to prepare for the holiday, you will not start going funky on us.

Thanks for listening. I'd appreciate your comments. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ I suppose that's better than nothing, given that apparently Shavuot hadn't been on the main page since 2013.
@StevenJ81: I can safely say that in almost all cases, nobody is really attempting to assess the quality of the sources. Mostly we make sure that the references are sufficient, and make sure the blurb text aligns with what the article says. I think in this case all this stuff was done at the last minute, so that's why there were more eyes on it than usual. As WP Judaism appears to be a fairly active project, as long as you folks stay on top of the articles, I don't anticipate any further problems. howcheng {chat} 16:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


[4] I added the citation, I think this is the only maintenance tag. This was originally added by AndreasPhilopter[5], but he removed it accidentally in the course of good faith revisions to the lede. I restored essentially the same statement with more formal language and added the citation. Given his last comment on the talk, I think the content dispute has pretty much fizzled [6]. For these reasons, I think Pentecost should be included for OTD. Seraphim System (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

1982 Iranian diplomats kidnapping[edit]

1982 Iranian diplomats kidnapping has never appeared in WP:OTD before and I though it would be priored this year as we have its 35th anniversary this year. Could I know why it was missed? --Mhhossein talk 05:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: The article says that took place on July 4. howcheng {chat} 02:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Oops! --Mhhossein talk 07:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Howcheng. --Mhhossein talk 14:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Commons images on the main page[edit]

Hi, Howard. Just a friendly reminder to protect a Commons image before transcluding it in a template appearing on the main page currently or very soon. (I realize that this rarely applies to your edits.) Thanks! —David Levy 06:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

The bot got it quickly today. I went to go protect it and it was already done. howcheng {chat} 07:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Gwendolyn Brooks[edit]

Hi. I have addressed the tags on Gwendolyn Brooks. Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 00:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Battle of Quatre Bras[edit]

I made the changes because, I wished to emphasise that you could easily have read the other articles and made those changes, which is something that WP:V encourages.

You asked about "Battle of Quatre Bras#Aftermath as well". It is a work in progress see s:User:PBS/sandbox2 (for some primary sources) and user: PBS/sandbox for a large expansion based on one of the well known PD sources. -- PBS (talk) 22:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@PBS: Great, thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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On this day, 12 years ago...[edit]

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Image script[edit]

Hi there! WP:PROD is now applicable to files. Could you add a prod option to your image script? Thanks! Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, I will get on this soon. howcheng {chat} 08:18, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for OTD[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if there's a size criteria for the article to be eligible for the OTD box. Can you help me with this? Thanks! Saff V. (talk) 06:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

In general, longer articles are preferred to shorter articles. But in this case, because the UN makes so many resolutions, if one is to appear it should be an important one. howcheng {chat} 07:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your complete explanation, but is there any exact size? I don't know such as (9001 B (1457 words)! Saff V. (talk) 07:15, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
No. If there are very few articles available for a day, I may use a short article, but if there are many, then a short article will not get used. It really depends. howcheng {chat} 08:17, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
It's right and actually interesting!Saff V. (talk) 10:39, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Portola expedition article[edit]

Re: July 2017 section cite tag. Can you be more specific on where you feel citations are needed? WCCasey (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC) @WCCasey: I left a note with the tag. There are no citations in the three middle paragraphs. howcheng {chat} 07:03, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I read the note, but to me that's not automatically a problem. I count 12 wikilinks in those 3 short paragraphs - to other articles that have sourcing. I don't see anything controversial in those paragraphs that needs a citation. If you can be more specific about your concerns, I will try to find find sources. Thanks WCCasey (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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OTD for Jewish/Nightfall start holidays[edit]

Just a heads up that there was a discussion a while back on selected anniversaries about whether to include "begins at night" or the "main day" of observance. The net discussion was that we should use the main day, so for example Tisha B'Av, which starts the night of July 31, should not be on the page, but it should be on August 1st as the main part of the observance. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: OK thanks, I'd forgotten. howcheng {chat} 02:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Devendra Banhart Photo Permission Request from Zumic[edit]


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@Jgrossfeld2: I did not take the photo in question. I merely uploaded it on behalf of the actual photographer, Lauren Dukoff. That being said, you do not actually need permission to use it because it's licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. In short, you are free to use the photo for whatever purpose you wish, as long as you give credit to the creator. Good luck with your project. howcheng {chat} 21:41, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Cinema Rex[edit]

Hi, I beg to inform you that Cinema Rex fire had been edited to nominate for WP:OTD . Finally it was moved to the main part at nomination OTD page.Saff V. (talk) 06:54, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@Saff V.: OK, I will probably save it for next year's 40th anniversary. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 07:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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