User talk:Hozhoni/sandbox/Robert Ray Fry

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Request for Userfy[edit]

LOL I have no idea what a userfy is but the Robert_Ray_Fry was well referenced and i don't know how to make the pictures and boxes. Could you "userfy" it? Just before your put the article out of its misery, I asked a more experienced admin than I who contributes to the serial murder bio project to look it over for impartiality, notability etc. i thought i should check with you before doing anything crazy like cutting and pasting the old article back in! Please advise... aar095 18:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aar095 (talkcontribs)

Hi. It looks like you've managed to run afoul of a few of our live wires. First, the whole paid editing controversy, which as you've seen arouses strong feelings in some. Then, it's generally frowned up to selectively request comment for deletion discussion, it is considered canvassing. Since this encyclopedia can be edited anonymously/pseudonymously, a great deal of weight in put upon transparency. Anyway, I've "userfied" the article to User:Aar095/sandbox/Robert Ray Fry, where it can be worked on until it meets the standards for inclusion. It will not be indexed by search engines while in your user space, and is not considered part of the encyclopedia proper. Please note that anyone still is free to edit the article, so it technically is not "yours" although it is in "your" space. The best thing for this article would be some national coverage of the case. Have there been any law review articles about the case, or scholarly treatment of the procedural posture of the case? That's the kind thing that would give you an unambiguous case of notability. Also, I should mention that if you wish my deletion is subject to deletion review where decision can by evaluated to see whether it adequately conforms our deletion process. Finally, you can automatically sign and date your entries (transparency again) by adding four tildes after your entry like this ~~~~. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 18:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the sandbox entry; I didn't want to reinvent the wheel. A $5 finder fee is far from WP:PAID advocacy. There needs to be some mentorship program because your culture is extremely elaborate to a newcomer. I felt like I need a lawyer to wade through your guidelines! As for reviewing your "no consensus" deletion, it was a close call but frankly I would have pulled the plug too because of the accusations unless and until an established and impartial editor from the Serial Killer task force weighs in on the relevant issue. I did read the canvassing guideline and, as recommended, I used a neutral request to 3-4 people who have contributed to the Serial Killer Bio project recently, not to stuff the ballot, but to clarify WP:NOT for those working on hundreds of mid- and low-importance serial killer stubs (see below). Your expectation of national publicity (there was a CBS News interview of Fry somewhere and the dimestore novel sold nationally) is just one example that has not been applied uniformly to hundreds of other articles. Should national coverage be a prerequisite? Don't ask me, I'm just a meatpuppet! /s/ SA

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PS I am using four tildes now: aar095 22:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

COMMENTS Regarding whether to Revise, Resubmit Fry Stub[edit]