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Hi there! Quick question from someone who is not into trees, plants, shrubs and everything that has to do with it: the article acacia states there are 163 species in the genus acacia, but there are 613 articles in the Category:Acacia right now. How? Kind regards, Coldbolt (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow, I don't know and have no real expertise in the area. I've been filling in redlinks on the list but don't any real expertise in the area. The refs all say Acacia but since even the page for Acacia sensu lato (containing all of the 960 Australian species} is still referred to in the taxobox as Acacia, so I think it is OK. Will seek advice. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
@Plantdrew: Can you explain this one? Hughesdarren (talk) 09:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Short non-technical answer. Acacia and Acacia sensu lato (and some related articles, including Racosperma) have had some misinformation since 5 November 2015. The person who made the misinforming edits does otherwise good work on South African organisms. I'm rather conflict averse and haven't wanted to get in a fight with them to fix the articles. I brought it up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants/Archive66#Acacia, but it seems that nobody else wanted to get in a fight about it. The Acacia article ought to reflect the view that there are 900+ Acacia species, almost all of which are native to Australia.
Longer technical answer. It has been apparent for some time that Acacia should be split into multiple genera. A genus name is anchored to a type species; in the event that a genus is split, the species most closely related to the type species keep the genus name and the less closely related species get placed into new genera. The type species of Acacia was originally an African species. Based on the usual rules, splitting Acacia would result in 163 mostly African species retaining the name Acacia and 1100+ species shuffled off into 4 other genera (including 900+ Australian species which were proposed to go to the genus Racosperma). To reduce the number of species which would have to be renamed, a proposal was made to change the type species from an African species to one of the Australian species; this kind of proposal is unusual, but by no means unprecedented. The proposal passed at a meeting in Vienna in 2005. Australian species would stay in Acacia, but African species would have to be renamed (to Vachellia). African botanists were not happy about this. Some of them decided to take the highly unusual step of forcing a second vote on the proposal at the next meeting. The next meeting happened in 2011, in Melbourne, and the proposal passed again. I empathize to some extent with the Africans; the Melbourne meeting can hardly be called a fair vote; many more Australian botanists attended and voted than would have in another location (such as Vienna). But there probably shouldn't have been a second vote in the first place, and there was nothing sinister about having the vote in Melbourne; the meeting had long been scheduled to be held there.
At this point, Wikipedia is presenting a mish-mash of competing views on Acacia and the other genera that have been split out from it, largely due to a South African editor who refuses to acknowledge that this has been voted on twice, with their faction failing to win both time. They are apparently not alone; there may be an unprecedented third vote on the issue at the upcoming meeting in China (presumably the Australian faction won't be over-represented there).
Hughesdarren, you're fine making articles on Australian Acacia species; Acacia being largely Australian is the current botanical consensus. If you come across any Racosperma synonyms for Acacia species, it wouldn't hurt to make redirects. Fixing up the Acacia, Racosperma and Vachellia articles might be contentious. Plantdrew (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Update: Racosperma was just moved to Acacia, and the previously article at Acacia was moved to Acacia (Vachellia). There's some badly needed clean up needed that I'll try to do some work on over the next few days, but the article at Acacia is now about the most recent concept of the genus. Plantdrew (talk) 04:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


great start! had a very luxurious lunch out the back when were down. Added the qulifier as on commons there are more london hotels than there are.... many... so figured best to do so. cheers and keep up the good work! JarrahTree 07:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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street location[edit],_Albany - needed, as it stands it could be anywhere :) - hope you can help on that one - cheers JarrahTree 05:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Gull Rock National Park[edit]

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some tangents..[edit]

  • Saggers, Thomas O (2012), Crossing the Kalgan : a history of the Lower Kalgan bridges and jetty (Second edition ed.), Kalamunda, WA Tangee Publishing Pty Ltd, ISBN 978-0-9757936-3-3 

there might be more where that came from JarrahTree 09:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

    • If I read those refs right there was a bridge until 1930 - washed away, then the 1939-1940, then the one you are referring to is another one from the 50s, so also it would seem the 1930-1939, the lower bridge made do for the crossings in that time JarrahTree 09:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve Grevillea tenuiloba[edit]

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Hi, Your edits of Napier include continually removing a reference, if you have updated information you can add it with an accompanying appropriate reference, see the section of verifibility above. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Firstly let me apologise for my newness and inexperience on editing an article. But, as it was clearly wrong, I thought, for the sake of accuracy, I should fix it. Thank you for now agreeing to some of my updates, which I know to be correct as I am the previous owner of Napier Downs and am referred to in the article. I still have a few issues. One the location as 130km from Derby is correct, but it is NOT also 130km North of Fitzroy Crossing. If you look at a map, you will see this is impossible. There is no reference verifying this, so I assume that someone has just had a guess. It is actually approx. 150km North West of Fitzroy Crossing, which is what I tried to amend. The area of the lease is approx. 380,000 ha. I am not sure where you got the area that you have stated. The article that you refer to says it is It covers more than 400,000ha and carries about 20,000 head of red brahman cattle. That, in fact is not accurate, but it will do. The sale price was not disclosed and merely speculated by the article in Beef Central that you refer to. I wonder if anyone verifies the articles that are used as a ref. I know in the case of Beef Central it was not verified and they simply wrote the article with speculative information. The sale was actually completed in September 2015. The line... In 1910 Napier Downs occupied an area of 90,000 acres (364 km2) and was still owned by M. C. Davies... is also incorrect. I attempted to amend this but you have not allowed this. If you read the article that is referred to in the reference, it clearly says 900,000 acres and not 90,000. According to the pastoral lease, a copy of which I hold, it states that on 30th June 1969 the area of Napier Downs was 1,000,000 acres. I am happy to provide any further information and assist in the accuracy of this article. Leut1 (talk) 03:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leut1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for replying - I have fixed what I can but the rest of the information that has a reference will stay. Wikipedia requires verifiability (see pillars above). I'm not too sure if you realise but 1 million acres is the same size as 4047km2 or 404700ha .... so the lease can't be both 380000ha and 1 million acres.... so I'll go with what the ref and the lease says on that one. No editors check references, unless two separate sources contradict each other or the sources themselves are inherently unreliable (like a blog, an advertisement abd perhaps Beef Central). Thanks for your offer of more information but unless accompanied by a reliable source it would be unlikely to be edited in. By the way, ff you do spot errors made like to 900,000 acre one then by all means do fix it but make a note in the comment that this is what the reference says. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 03:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the amendments. Just to answer your comment about the lease size. The lease area has changed over the years by way of resumptions and boundary changes, whilst it was 1,000,000 acres in 1969 it has changed many times since. The current lease area is closer to 380,000 ha. It is actually 386,679. It is unlikely that you will find this confirmed in any news article. Leut1 (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)Leut1 (talk) 04:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC) Leut1 (talk) 04:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
No worries - I figured that would be the case - I'll make a note on the article talk page, and maybe it will be confirmed in the future. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok thanks, would you also like to amend the article on Kerry Stokes with this updated information on Napier Downs.. price and herd size? Thanks. Leut1 (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Sure, you can do it or I will if you like, if you do make any changes sure you leave a comment in the edit summary box (just above where you click the save changes buttone). Other editors (and myself) are always deeply suspicious of a blank edit summary. It will pop up on my watchlist when you make any changes. Cheers and regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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Fortunately an editor that does know what they are doing has removed your tag. They have also sensibly placed a warning on your talk page. Here's an idea - go read some policies and make some useful contributions or piss off and stop wasting my time. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

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Noongar names for plants[edit]

Hello Hughesdarren,

Thanks for your great work adding Noongar names to plants (especially Melaleuca species). I think the names should be lower case as per Manual of style. Your opinion? Keep up the great work. Gderrin (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, I was unsure about the capitalisation so went with how it appeared in the reference, will use lowercase from now on. Thanks for the kind words.Hughesdarren (talk) 09:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
I'll second the thanks for the noongar names - excellent !!! JarrahTree 09:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, I've stumbled on this book ("Aboriginal People and their plants") doing a Google search . Thought you might be interested if you hadn't seen it already. Gderrin (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC) Lights ablaze.JPG

please note[edit]

Fremantle_Woolstores is meant to be an overview article only - and there is hopefully opportunity to create sub articles of each structure of the structure, when and how is up to the enthusiasm - thanks JarrahTree 13:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

your opinion[edit]

Alluring Albany - could you please look at this jumble of joy

has about 5 - 8 potential derivative offshoot articles

1901 Royal presence of Ophir and future King
1908 Great White Fleet visit Yes check.svg Done
1927 centenary Centenary of Albany, Western Australia (separating out the 1927 book and event) Yes check.svg Done

are the first obvious items, there are more...

any thoughts feedback on or off wiki much appreciated JarrahTree 13:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Nice work on Alluring Albany, couldn't find enough material to make a standalone article on the other topics other than the barest stub (and you had already done GWF visit anyway). Sticking with myrtales and freo heritage for the moment. What are you up to? Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I think you are in safer territory. Excellent work on Freo. Yeah, maybe editing too much perhaps. JarrahTree 23:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


Hello Darren,

I noticed you've started some Darwinia articles - thanks and well done. I'm busy with other genera at the moment and thought you might like to expand Darwinia hortiorum. I can't find good resources on most of the other species but the formal description of D. hortiorum is here. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Cheers, will expand in the next few days. Not much online for many of these species - can get a bit frustrating at times. Hoping to at least get something for all the redlinked Darwinia pages. Good luck with whatever you're working on at the moment and thanks for your (far more impressive) Darwinia articles. All the best to you too. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 13:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
D. peduncularis here and plantnet; D. polychroma here and here; D. whicherensis here. Keep going! (I'll be checking......) Gderrin (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

FYI[edit],_Fremantle - JarrahTree 06:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)