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Restaurantion of deleted Article[edit]

Back in 2012 an article about the German-Amrican School was deleted by you, please have a look at the request for undeletion [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pegcoon (talkcontribs) 17:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Restoration of Notable Article[edit]

I was on creating the article on Maraju Sumanth this day.... I found you deleted recently. Please restore it as it is notable enough...!!!! Urbantown (talk) 11:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Ultraman King page deletion[edit]

I responded to this:

I usually don't come on often, especially around Christmas / New Year time , so I am slow in responding .

If you Jedi council still want to keep it deleted , fine by me but it is just a shame if it is. I am just saying the reason for deletion is absurd (because of format??) . As I said, King can not be written about like any characters, he wasn't created that way and for that reason (no TV shows or movie , just making special appeearances here and there) . A true Ultraman fan will find it absurd not to have his page on Wiki when all other ultras are.It is also ridiculous when copies of the original Wiki page for this character are everywhere on the internet but not on Wiki.

Take a look at the original Wiki page for Ultraman King that I copied somewhere else on the internet, tell me which parts need to be re-written , may be I can find some spare time to rewrite it.

I've responded here. You can reply here or there, I don't mind. Hut 8.5 19:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

"it consisted only of in-universe descriptions of fictional works. If you want the page to be restored then you need to find some way of addressing that. This is a good example of what we don't want. It starts with an in-universe description of the character and moves onto plot summaries of various fictional works. While all articles on fictional characters have content like this, they have to have something else as well. Common choices are:

   Out of universe descriptions of the character (i.e. from the point of view of the writers, or other development of the series)
   Reception or critical analysis of the character
   Cultural influence of the character."

There is nothing else one can add or at least in the manner you want because as I said, the character wasn't created for that and in that way. You are using western standard for something asian and for most asian fans, they don't care about the points you mentioned.

"Reception or critical analysis of the character

   Cultural influence of the character."

??? Seriously, you guys just graduated from some colleges majoring in journalism or English?? If you must, I can think of one cultural influence, Ultraman King is always used for promoting "respect the elderly" Day in Japan.

Out of universe descriptions?? He is not a Shakespearean character or some character in a novel. You people are making this place looking like some academia.

"Reception or critical analysis of the character"?? Who are you?? Roger Ebert??

I think people in charge of the Ultraman pages should be fans of the franchise for the very least if not knowledgeable in the subject. I say this for other subjects as well.

Anyway, I was just trying to preserve information for other fans. If the non-ultra fans Jedi council wants the page off , fine by me and not worth my time to contribute any effort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

For your information I am not Roger Ebert, nor do I have an English degree. As was mentioned in the other discussion, take a look at the article on Darth Vader. It has a history of the development of the character, discussion of how the character was portrayed, and discussion of how the character has had an impact on various real life events. Our article on Superman has a history of the development of the character, influences from various other fictional works, copyright disputes, influences on other fictional works and on culture more generally. Darth Vader and Superman are hardly Shakespeare. I think it's rather bizarre to claim that it isn't possible to do this for characters originating in Asian culture, but in any case that's not true. Godzilla has a history of the development of the character, portrayals of the character, influences on the character and a discussion of the character's impact on culture. It isn't possible to do this for all fictional characters, no, but that's why we don't have articles on them. Hut 8.5 19:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

The Springs International School deletion[edit]

This is a school which work in Tana, Nilambur,Kerala,India. I created an article on school is not for advertisement purpose. We consider as encyclopedia article. Akbarali2 (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Have a good day Աշոտ1997 (talk) 10:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you Աշոտ1997 (talk) 10:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Serious matter[edit]

Hi there HUT, this is (formerly known as) Always Learning, asked that my account be vanished after a serious run-in with a troll, with the intention of leaving forever, but guess I cannot, I'm hooked...

Remember this run-in with a Colombian punk that kept harassing after a mild exchange of opinions in the Quique Flores article (one of his accounts was User:Xxxx693, another was User:Lombriz de Aguapuerca)? Well, he has returned (please check Mr. Flores article's last two anon contributions beside mine), continuing to go against WP consensus that was reached in 2012, and continuing to insult me (his summary contained an old familiar, "crybaby", and also "piss off from WP").

Is it possible to have my talkpage (userpage not a concern anymore) protected so that, let's say, only admins can reach me? I am sick and tired of this punk's abuse (so courageous, insulting from thousands of miles away instead of to my face), surely something can be done, no?

Attentively, nice to "see" you again, happy weekend/work -- (talk) 22:24, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For possibly the worlds fastest deletion - You deleted it 2 minutes after I nominated it,

If only everyone was a whizz like you Face-grin.svg,
Thanks for your very fast help :)
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 22:43, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Laurel Coppock deletion[edit]

The Laurel Coppock page was recently deleted, with G4 as the stated reason. I would like to respectfully dispute that. The page had been substantially updated from the version that was deleted in 2013, and does not satisfy the G4 criteria. Specifically:

  • The article's size increased from ~4000 to ~5000 bytes.
  • Two (2) more TV appearances were added to the list.
  • Her co-writing experience was added.
  • Her personal life info (husband + child) was added.
  • Her being one of 500 possibilities for the Toyota spot was added.

All of the above include verifiable references. References in the 2013 version were checked and updated as appropriate.

One could make the argument that Coppock is not notable, however that is not the stated reason the article was deleted. I am unable to find the deletion discussion, other than the original discussion from 2013. Would you please tell me where that discussion may be found.

Considering notability (in addition to the items listed above) ...

  • There are nine (9) Wikipedia articles that directly refer to Laurel Coppock, as evidenced by a Wikipedia Search.
  • Coppock appearts in Toyota commercials numerous times each day, and has done so, for the past 2+ years. Millions of people have seen her and can identify with her.
  • Laurel Coppock is very similar to Morgan Smith Goodwin, who is known for being the Wendy's girl, with little other acting experience listed in her Wikipedia article, definitely less than that listed in Coppock's article. If Goodwin's article is kept, then Coppock's should be kept as well.

The Wikipedia community would appreciate it if you would reconsider your deletion of the Laurel Coppock article. Thank you. Truthanado (talk) 16:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply. Please note that I had no argument with the original AfD discussion in 2013. That's why I expanded the article and re-released it. Your reply doesn't address two key points in the discussion above.
  1. Where is the discussion of the latest delete? Shouldn't the article at least be given the courtesy of a recent AfD discussion? Where is the consensus (which Wikipedia lives by) for G4 deletion?
  2. There is no comment about the Morgan Smith Goodwin article. Does the Wikipedia community really want to tag that article as AfD, using the same reasoning as the original Coppock delete?
Again, thanks for your reply, and I further request information and your re-assessment of the G4 deletion. Truthanado (talk) 00:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Re; your follow-up reply on my talk page. I am not confused. I am curious how you determined that the revised article satisfies the G4 requirements of "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy" when it is 25% larger and contains additional information. Of course, text from the original article remains; virtually every article in Wikipedia contains text from its initial version. Since we, as two individuals, disagree on this, I suggest we have another Wikipedia admin review our discussion, and make a determination of whether G4 applies. Truthanado (talk) 21:24, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Rape jihad[edit]

Please reconsider you G4 speedy deletion of Rape jihad. Aside from the title, the article had been entirely rewritten from the version originally submitted to AfD the last time. Pax 22:46, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk page archive:

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... this article is cited very well, and it certainly isn't "too much of a neologism to pass notability guidelines." It's hardly a neologism at all - it's just a description of a phenomenon that's widely reported. Instead of deleting, if that's truly your reason, why don't we change it to a non neologism title? --DawnDusk (talk) 17:21, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

It is not hard to convince me that a systemic bias is in place regarding religious articles. For instance, "Rape jihad" despite having abundant RS and being entirely rewritten from the version which was previously AfDd, is speedied. Meanwhile, that insult to the intelligence known as Christian terrorism survives AfD despite being an utter travesty without any suitable RS supporting the tendentious claim implied by its title. Pax 21:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because...the article has been entirely rewritten. Literally not one sentence in it is the same as in the original version submitted to AfD. The only thing that remains is the name of the article, and abundant reliable sources establish both usage of the term in specific, and those activities it refers to in general. Simply put, the speedy nominator has not bothered to read the article, let alone perform WP:BEFORE-- Pax 21:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Rape jihad[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rape jihad. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Pax 00:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Orb Recording Studios Deletion Review[edit]

I had created an article describing the Orb Recording Studios. Please restore it. Or help me understand the reason of deletion. User:YSB (talk) 04:51, 08 June 2015 (UTC)

Help Required[edit]

I am new to this Wikipedia editing and article creation. I would really want to be able to do more. Could you please help me learn how to be good at this. Take for example the Orb Recording Studios article I did, which got deleted, how would you recommend I had presented it. What I did was

  1. Picked a random article to edit which was C.B. Hudson.
  2. I looked up C.B. Hudson on Google.
  3. Updated the info on the article C.B. Hudson and found that the article/page on Orb Recording Studios was not there.
  4. So I created one by referencing the Official Website of Orb Recording Studios.

PS: I have no affiliations to the Organisation/Company Orb Recording Studios

So the one I created had copy writing issues. How would you suggest I go about creating any such articles in future.

Thanks in advance. YSB (talk) 07:57, 08 June 2015 (UTC)

Aliens: Female War[edit]

Hi, was wondering if you could pop back to my talk page and continue the discussion with the problem with the Female War novel summary. Thanks for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crispy385 (talkcontribs) 17:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Dariusz Zawislak[edit]

There is no reason to delete article aboout Mr. Zawislak, Page on Polish Wikipedia is exist and even more informations you can find after 6 years from last discussion, I would like to suggest recreate this article and open new discussion about deleting. And then made a decision. All the best. OKD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okejdokej (talkcontribs) 13:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response. If you recreate I will find and link necessary evidence to counter this concern and then we can open new discussion about deleting. Ok? Best OKD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okejdokej (talkcontribs) 08:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I dont have an acces to this data. Did you suggest me to write new article? Look like you block this topic... Best OKD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okejdokej (talkcontribs) 19:34, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

The second life of copyvio articles[edit]

Hey, Hut. Hope you're doing well. I thought you might be interested to know that Theresa Andrews, an Olympic swimmer article that had to be blanked for cut-and-paste copyright violation problems in 2010, now has a second life as a Good Article. Your work in fighting copyvios, in part, made that possible. Thank you for your efforts. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, you've done a very good job with that one. Hut 8.5 06:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
One down, four million to go, Hut. Face-smile.svg Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Attribution of internal copy-paste[edit]

Hut, how familiar are you with the policies and guidelines that govern the cut-and-paste or copy-and-paste of text and other content from one Wikipedia article to another? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Reasonably, why? Hut 8.5 16:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this situation and let me know what you think? Over 100 new articles were created by copy-paste of existing content from Navy Midshipmen football results on July 11 and 12 (see, e.g., 1897 Navy Midshipmen football team). No attribution to the original content creator(s) was provided. Complicating this situation is the fact that the original article (linked above) is now subject to deletion at AfD, and if deleted, will break any connection/attribution to the original content and content creators. In your opinion, is this a serious problem under either our content attribution or copyvio policies? Dirtlawyer1 (talk)
I think you'd actually be OK deleting the source article there. At least in the US you can't claim copyright on lists of purely factual data, unless you have some non-obvious way of formatting or organising it (see Wikipedia:Copyright in lists). If the content here consists of the date, score, opponent and possibly the location with wins coloured green and losses red then I don't think that rises to the level of creativity where it would be copyrightable and hence we don't need attribution to use it somewhere else. The only thing which leaves me slightly concerned is some of the longer or more elaborate comments in the notes section, if those were copied then they might need attribution. Hut 8.5 16:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
So, the need for attribution for internal copy-paste from one Wikipedia article to another turns on whether the copy-pasted content is subject to external copyright law? If I understand your analysis correctly, that means copy-pasted (or cut-and-pasted) text should always be properly attributed to the source article and content creator, but lists may or may not require attribution depending on the extent of the particular list's original, creative content -- right? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Anything which qualifies for copyright protection needs attribution when you copy it. Anything which doesn't qualify isn't copyrighted and can be used anywhere. (The guideline does actually discuss this - WP:NOATT.) Lists of statistics (particularly sports results) usually don't qualify, text usually does. Hut 8.5 18:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
"Lists of statistics . . . usually don't qualify, text usually does." Hence your cautionary caveat regarding the "notes" section of the copy-pasted season schedules? Got it. Thank you for your input. If you don't mind, I may return for advice related to this issue in other particular circumstances in the future. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes. I suspect that the more complex chunks of text haven't actually been copied here, they tend to appear on the more recent seasons which have better developed spinoff articles, you can't claim copyright on something like "Homecoming" or "First meeting between the two teams". If you do want input from someone else you could try Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup, but I don't mind you asking me. Hut 8.5 18:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Chiragabad and Chiragabad[edit]

I'm not sure what is going on. It appears you moved a page, but both pages redirect to Chiragabad, therefore Chiragabad is a redirect to itself. Bgwhite (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Coalition for post tubal women (CPTwomen)[edit]

Hi, My name is Susan Bucher. I'm the founder of the CPTwomen. Recently the wiki page which was created for the CPTwomen was deleted. The article was non-basis and factual. I'm asking for your help in how to correct the deletion and how the page can be restored.

Thanks for your help in this matter.

Susanbucher (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Copyright question[edit]

Hello. I noticed you were active on the copyvio noticeboard and have a question you might be able to answer: when translating from another language, do the same issues of language usage apply as in English sources? What I mean is that how far do I need to be from the original in terms of wording and sentence structure etc, despite not being in the same language, in order to be sure I'm not violating copyright? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:31, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg With this ever dramatic world including WikiDrama, here's a cup of tea to alleviate your day! Face-smile.svgThis e-tea's remains have been e-composted SwisterTwister talk 07:04, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Philip Etemesi[edit]

The first author has blanked. Remove or revert?Xx236 (talk) 10:58, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

diamond 25[edit]

need list of puzzles, "Diamond 25 deleted???" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayorsp (talkcontribs) 17:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Thanks for the timely block. That was a very persistent vandal. GABHello! 23:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Sale catalogue[edit]

After finding a redlink for "sale catalogue" I created a redirect to Wiktionary for it similar to the one already made for Donative (canon law) where you intervened saying "speedy delete" is not available for such a redirect. In the case of Sale catalogue the patroller (User:Largoplazo) marked it "speedy delete", informed me, and by the time I had left him a message of objection it had been deleted. Can anything be done to stop this lind of thing happening?--Johnsoniensis (talk) 19:39, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Johnsoniensis is correct, and I went to remove the speedy tag but found the article was already gone. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice; perhaps it would be best to file a request for it to be created at Wiktionary first (I have only just checked this).--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:00, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah! Yes, absent that, the merits of the article's deletion were pretty undebatable. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure the deleting admin realised that. Being a redirect to a nonexistent page is a valid reason to delete something, but that wasn't the reason entered in the deletion log. Hut 8.5 17:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems tagging as speedy delete, and the deleting administrator's decision were technically wrong, and the speediness meant that the opportunity to untag it was lost. Whether the non-existence of a Wiktionary entry is a good reason not to create a redirect there I do not know. (I do not contribute to it as following right procedure in English WP is hard enough.) A request could be filed at Wiktionary for sale catalogue / catalog to be created; do you think this would be useful?--Johnsoniensis (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Pending RfC re "delete and redirect"[edit]

Hut, I am glad to see that you turned up at this RfC and are actively participating in it. The discussion desperately needs to hear from old hands such as yourself who are knowledgeable and experienced in our AfD terminology and procedures. It's pretty clear that we have editors and active administrators (including some actively involved in closing AfDs) who do not understand or accept the distinctions among "delete," "redirect," "delete and redirect" and "merge," nor the implications for the deletion or preservation of article history that each of those discrete !votes carries. I hope you stay involved in this discussion through its closing. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Could you clear copyright violation rules for me, I am in doubt.[edit]

Could you help me understand copyright violation? I believe we may not reproduce entire paragraphs from sources even with quote (more so when no secondary source has it in quotes from the primary source) unless we get permission. While other editors have advised me that it okay to reproduce paragraphs from a primary source, while mentioning the book and putting quotes (which takes care of copyright violation according to them). The Article Talk page. --AmritasyaPutraT 06:25, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for this fast response and the other one in parallel. There's been a lot of activity at Bonobo - class project or something, do you think? Cheers (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, also this one, same issue: ... thanks (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Great! Thanks very much - and also for the semi; clearly a good move that will give the article a bit of a break. Best wishes (talk) 10:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
You actually have Casliber to thank for the semiprotection, but thanks anyway. Hut 8.5 11:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, thanks, sorry ... insufficiently caffeinated this morning for brain to work properly. But thanks anyway for dealing with the accounts. Cheers (talk) 11:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Sings: "There may be trouble ahead ..."[edit]

Hello. Sorry to bother you again but would you mind, please, having a quick look at the activities of this editor? I have a feeling it's going to get a bit tricky here sooner or later ... Thanks and best wishes (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Note - also tried here but they seem not to be around right now. Sorry for the x-posting. Cheers (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Well it looks like someone blocked them as soon as I took a look. Should be fine unless their IP changes. Hut 8.5 22:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes indeed, and thanks, and sorry to bother you. (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
No problem. Hut 8.5 22:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Non-notable banks[edit]

Greetings, Hut 8.5. I recently came across the contributions of User:امین اکبر, and found they had created a large number of bank stubs. I tagged a few of them with CSD#A7, and then saw that you had deleted quite a few more such stubs, created by the same user, under A7. It occurred to me that the easiest way to dispose of many of these would be for you to go through the list and delete as necessary; if you have the time and inclination, of course! If not, I can work my way through them, and tag as needed. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 11:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Jack Murdock (comics)[edit]

To Hut 8.5., I see you have deleted my page on Jack Murdock, due to copyright infringements. It was not my intention to violate any laws or cause disturbance. So I ask that you undo the deletion, and in return I promise to alter the information so that it doesn't violate copyright grounds. Regards, Zjec (talk) 3:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Larry Miller (artist)[edit]

Dear Hut 8.5 Can you help me create a page for Larry Miller (artist)? You deleted it and I was looking for help to make it not any kind of copyright infringement. The two websites you cited as being infringed upon are friendly to the subject of the article, Mr. Miller, so I am wondering if there is not something that can be done to NOT trigger this reaction. If not, at least help me pinpoint where the changes must occur. I did quite a bit of work on that page and so I have pasted it back in on this staging page. Unfortunately the formatting seems to have been stripped out. Thanks so much for your assistance. Regards, OriginalBK (talk) 1:37, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Wishing you all the best . . .[edit]

Merry Christmas, Hut, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm Creating a new article.[edit]

Hello sir, I'm creating a new article " McDonald's India " and am rightfully doing it as it doesn't WHOLLY belong to McDonald's Inc. and is owned by McDonalds India Pvt. Ltd. so I think it's an another subsidiary. I heard that you had deleted such an article before about " McDonalds india " so, to check can you please tell me why did you delete that article or is there anything wrong in me writing an article on " Mcdonalds India "

You can respond in my talk page, Thanks and cheers! ~Prithvi2003 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prithvi2003 (talkcontribs) 11:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Carathéodory rank[edit]

Hi, I don't think you actually read the discussion. The consensus was that it was not a test page. Please undo the deletion. -- Taku (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm centralizing discussion on this issue at User talk:TakuyaMurata to avoid further fragmentation of the discussion. Stifle (talk) 10:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Request reduction in protection of redirect at Template:Off topic[edit]

Would you mind dropping the protection level on Template:Off topic from full to semi protection? You protected it in 2008, and I'm not sure it meets today's standard for full protection. The target of the redirect, Template:Off-topic, is merely semi protected and doesn't seem to be incurring vandalism. Please reply here rather than my talk page. Thanks! – voidxor 23:45, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem, I've unprotected it. The page only has 46 transclusions now, I don't think that's enough for protection to be necessary. Hut 8.5 07:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Rajasthan State Human rights Commission[edit]

Hi, We have included and updated the Functions and Procedures as per The Protection of Human Rights Act-1993

This is very important article to help human rights researchers Please guide us to correct and update accordingly. Thanks, नाहर (talk) 03:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)naahar

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

My Game Liberty Rings I Created was Deleted[edit]

How do ensure the rules and history to the new game I created be posted to Wikipedia without deletion. Thank you for your help.

Thomas F. McHugh. (Liberty Rings Creater) (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Arbejdernes Landsbank[edit]

Would it be okay to recreate the Arbejdernes Landsbank article? It's the 7th largest bank in Denmark,[1] they are ranked top in customer satisfaction surveys and the history of the bank is pretty unique among Danish banks, as it was established by the socialist party and the labour unions. I've already gathered plenty of sources to write a decent piece about that.

Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Azad Pattan Hydropower Project[edit]

Kindly do not delete information from articles on a whim. The issue of copyright was looked at and resolved before you started deleting things. The information used from Laraib Group is purely factual and can NOT be changed any further. I made sufficient changes to the information from the website before adding it to the page. It was seen and assessed as not a copyvio by user:Qpalzmmzlapq on 19:49, 14 February 2016‎, as can be seen in the log. Your input is not appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuel145 (talkcontribs)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Great Work bro. Have a Beer with me. Britty192 (talk) 10:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe a PR person edited two articles so consumers are adversely affected[edit]

I believe a PR person is editing two articles so consumers are adversely affected. I say this because the edit summaries are inaccurate and they are not editing other articles.

I restored the removed information to these two articles Kaleida Health and Erie County Medical Center. The information which was removed came from notable sources.

I noticed you are from the UK. If the United States had government supplied healthcare, public relations staff or PR firms would not be trying to whitewash hospital related entries.

Please do what you can to prevent this from happening again. Knox490 (talk) 04:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I looked at the IP number of the person who edited the entries and the person appears to be on the staff of the Erie County Medical Center as the IP address is from that institution. I suspect it was someone in their marketing/PR department. Knox490 (talk) 04:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Ragnhild Hveger 2010[edit]

Back in 2009 I entered a fair amount of information in the Ragnhild Hveger article, but it was all deleted as violating copyright. I read the copyright violation information you linked to above, but I still don't understand my violation. If I paraphrase information from published books and cite my sources, how is that a copyright violation? I was only doing what many Wikipedia authors seem to be doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Please undelete Lovely Rivero[edit]

Please undelete Lovely Rivero and any other pages deleted for similar reasons. Unfortunately, the speedy nominator here has industriously but incompetently speedy-nominated every page created by a now-indeffed editor, regardless of whether they were created before or after the block was imposed -- and every one I've checked was created before the block, and therefore outside the scope of db-banned. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz:: sorry about that, I've restored Britney Dolonius, Coleen Perez and Lovely Rivero. Hut 8.5 20:17, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

I'm sorry for the "cut-and-paste move" on mobile virus.

Thanks for letting me know on the feature to move pages.

FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 16:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Re, which you have just blocked for a week, the operator is User:Richard Daft who is subject to site-wide WP:BAN so your action is entirely appropriate and much appreciated. All the best. Jack | talk page 07:01, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Game of Thrones (season 8) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Game of Thrones (season 8). Since you had some involvement with the Game of Thrones (season 8) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Safiel (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Additional note Since the other editor persisted with the speedy deletion attempt, I have instead nominated the redirect for deletion and invited him to make his case for deletion there. Safiel (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment I also took the liberty of adding a reflist template to capture a stray reference from a comment above and display the reference with the appropriate comment. Safiel (talk) 01:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


He's further vandalising on his talk page. Should he have his talk page access revoked? Adam9007 (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[edit]

Please block user: I reported him to wp:aiv but he is not blocked yet. 2602:306:3357:BA0:3C9E:185E:7097:304E (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. Apologies for the delay, AIV can get a bit backlogged sometimes. Hut 8.5 21:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Avyashu IT Solution Private Limited[edit]

Didn't you just delete this page a few hours ago? Avyashu IT Solution Private Limited. The same user appears to have re-created the page. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I see someone else has deleted and salted it. Hut 8.5 21:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please undelete[edit]

Hello, My apologies for breaching guidelines, I edited the old page in June and now without realising had contravened your guidelines. I am asking for the opportunity to rewrite the article having read that I should not use wiki as a promotional tool. Also I will read guidelines to understand how to have notability.Jamie LynchYoung Actors Theatre (talk) 13:24, 4 August 2016 (UTC) - development manager Young Actors Theatre

One more to go![edit]

Hi! Thanx for deleting the Halil Kayıkçı page. During the short life of the page, I at first took the page at face value and tried to improve it, among other things by moving it from the original title Halil Kayikci to the currently deleted title. The page with the original title is now left as a redirect with no target, so I would ask you to delete that one, too, together with the corresponding talk page. Regards! --T*U (talk) 06:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanx for quick response. I've made a note of your recipe for future situations. --T*U (talk) 21:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

About Action of 17 August 1779[edit]

That was fast, wasn't it? As I couldn't have a single word about it, let me tell you: I got those two paragraphs from HMS Ardent (1764). Yes, I made the mistake of forgetting to say it, but it could be easily resolved if someone asked me first, now I won't lost my time to write again. So, instead of accusing me of a copyright violation you people should point yours fingers into another direction. Nick 264 (talk) 22:48, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Kakhaber Kakashvili[edit]

When I was patrolling this article, Kakhaber Kakashvili appeared twice thus my tagging it as a duplicate. Celestinesucess (talk) 7:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


Block user: (talk) 21:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Knocked Loose[edit]

There are vandals on Knocked Loose. (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Restoring the Georg Krauss page[edit]

Hi Hut 8.5. I appreciate your taking the time to reply to my request so promptly. My point in my quest for restoration of the Georg Krauss article is not in fact to challenge the result of the previous AFD. Not at all. In fact the article that Hut 8.5 has just speedily-deleted has significant new content relative to the one that was AFD-deleted (modulo the very last addition). I had tried "in extremis" to salvage that draft but my intervention came too late, the delay had past and the debate was over. In other words, there is a slight misunderstanding around here.

My suggestion in my first post above is that, most probably, this is what SwisterTwister had noticed when she reviewed the draft I officially submitted, accepted then published.

Therefore, I am appealing to your understanding and asking kindly that you restore this new article.

Thank you for your kind cooperation. Wynton1989 (talk) 22:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Hut 8.5. Thank you for replying again. I think you are still missing my point. Please take a look at the time stamps of the votes during the AFD disucssion and compare them to the last update of the draft. The chronology of the events says it all. Then suddenly things will be clearer. My point is that my last resort addition during the AFD discussion had been ignored. Therefore, the only way to move forward was to take that same addition and submit it as a new draft. Therefore, of course it appears to you as identical content. Thank you. Wynton1989 (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review for Georg Kraus[edit]

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@Hut 8.5: I'll comment at this DRV but I thought I'd ask for your opinion first. At User talk:Wynton1989#Speedy deletion nomination of Georg Kraus you say the G4 comparison should be with the version current at the time of deletion but I don't think things can be as straightforward as that. Suppose someone had reduced the article to a sub-stub immediately before closure. Would that mean G4 would not apply to a recreation of an earlier version? I think discretion sometimes needs to be used as to with which version the comparison should be made. In this case it seems to me the changes towards the end of the AFD were not commented on so we do not know whether anyone would have changed their minds. I recently commented at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 July 21#FREAKAZOID that it can be a tactical mistake to improve an article during AFD but DGG peered at me in the way a benign but displeased headmaster might at a normally well-behaved pupil.[2] Do you think the comparison should always be with the deleted version? Should WP:CSD#G4 undergo instruction creep? Thincat (talk) 09:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, there is some need for discretion and I wouldn't want the comparison to be made only with a single version. If some content is removed from an article during the course of a discussion then it would be legitimate for a G4 comparison to be made with an earlier version. However that's quite different to saying that the comparison can't be made with the version immediately before deletion. If an admin disallows a G4 deletion on an article which is identical to the one deleted at the close of the AfD then I feel that is effectively overturning the deletion outcome of the AfD. That might be a legitimate thing to do in some circumstances (such as the passage of time or change in circumstances), but that's not the case here. I think the optimal outcome here would have been for the debate to be relisted to allow the additions to be reviewed, which is probably what would have happened if the AfD participants had been notified of them. Hut 6.5 11:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for this and for your remarks at DRV. I'll comment when I get my brain into gear. The improved article still won't do anyway so I am probably wasting your, my, and everyone else's time on the niceties. Thincat (talk) 16:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Draft:Ompakash Saklecha[edit]

Hi! You rejected the speedy deletion of Draft:Ompakash Saklecha that I had tagged giving reason that "maybe the author wants to work on an improved version in draft space". Please note that the main author has him/herself created the new article in article space after some user decided to move this article into draft space without consulting them. I see no purpose of keeping this draft when the original creator's purpose has been served. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

User:CSL Projects Ltd.[edit]

You may also want to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 10:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Charles-Edouard Levillain[edit]

You declined speedy. Ok if it asserts notability but he has created an article about himself. Can be clearly seen from his Userpage and Username. Therefore I am taking it to AFD VarunFEB2003 06:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

band page deletion to reconsider[edit]

Hi, In a page-deletion discussion for this page, I noticed lots of statements that were incorrect. I believe VO5's page should be reinstated. Thanks for your re-consideration.

1) "MTVu is only available on 750 or so college campuses to students living in on-campus residential housing, and only through the on-campus television offerings" It actually is available with most digital cable subscriptions and had over 2.6 million subscribers a few years ago.

2) Was on MTVu "only for a week" VO5 had a music video on MTVu for an 8-week run after winning "The Freshman" competition.

3) "unsigned indie cover band": Actually 2 albums, one recently won "Unique Album of the Year" MAMA award.

4)"There are reviews, but all localized in Madison-specific sources." Nationwide, non Madison reviews include Milk Crater, Obscure Sound,,, The State Times, Tuna-A-Day, and Wee World. some:

5)"This seems to be a band that isn't known beyond one city." VO5 has a music video youtube channel with over 500,000 views worldwide. They play around the state regularly and out of state (Chicago's Navy Pier recently) and have over 5000 facebook fans from around the country. Many radio stations nationwide played songs from the album.

Thanks again. Fantartic (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I replied to your comments/suggestions (in my page). I'm not familiar enough with this as to whether you get notified. Thanks for your time. Fantartic (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Revision delete request[edit]

Please get rid of the offensive edit summary that (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) made. Feinoha Talk 15:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Deleted articles created by user Mushroom9[edit]

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would be kind to explain why andreply @ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (and many other IPs) edits sociology and psychology articles. The anon geolocates to Kerala, India. The anon often will not follow policy, take advise, get an account to facilitate communication, and has been blocked numerous times. The anon often denys having made previous edits from different IPs. One can see the anon learning, making similar erros, similar wording and accusations, reusing templates, use of aiv and other pages.  It looks like a duck to me. I and others have been reverting the anon on-sight per wp:deny See: Talk:Social work#IP-hopper and User:Jim1138/IP Hopper from Kerala Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 00:41, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Are you nuts or have we gone through a time warp?[edit]

You wrote here[3]- "decline, SNIyer12 was not blocked when this was created so G5 does not apply' was blocked indefinitely[4] in October 2012! The Template United states elections 1964 was created in September 2016 by an admitted sockpuppet[5] of SNIyer12. Nobody other than the sock edited the template. WP:DENY applies....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Ah, must have misread the year on the block log, I've deleted the page now. Nevertheless please don't call people "nuts" - honest mistakes happen. Hut 8.5 22:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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You are cordially invited to a sockpuppet investigation discussion[edit]

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Shivam268 --Mr. Vernon (talk) 09:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

IP Socking? or at least trying to skirt ARBAP2 Sanctions?[edit]

I saw your involvement on this page:

After exploring the posts, I came across a curious episode by an anon IP (possibly) related to user being investigated:

This edit by the anon [6] was then followed by these edits [7] [8] [9].

This is interesting because this edit [10]came right after this one [11] by the user being investigated. Then these edits happened [12] [13]

Doesn't seem like a big deal at first because sometimes people forget to log-in, but then I read this warning here to this member [14] being investigated: [15].

When I closely examined the this edit [16] the tone in the subject-heading sounds an awful a lot like the member TTAC being investigated when you examine the timing and content of this edit [17] and the language in the subject of it.

Normally it shouldn't be a big deal, but that anon edit just happened AFTER this warning here [18]. Wouldn't that be a socking violation AND trying to use an anon IP to get around limits by ARBAP2 Sanctions?

It almost appears like the user was trying to bait this other user named SPECIFICO with strange unnecessary corrections on their talk page, see this edit again [19]. At first I thought maybe the anon IP was SPECIFICO but it became clear that after looking at the rest of the edits from the anon, it was not. It then starts to look an awful a lot like maybe TTAC was trying to goad that member if they took the bait. That would aid him in some attempt to game the system if he tried to boomerang a response into a charge of trying to frame him. After closely reading the account summary on TTAC's page, it seems like that user views wikipedia in terms of opponents and gaming and then brags about his history of edit warring in the service of "taking down [editors]."

I don't want to stir the pot here and I don't have the time and experience to put together a proper SPI. But since you stepped into that debate in the API, maybe there is something here that helps to sort things out. The charge against TTAC in the ANI is that he is a long-time disruptive cunning member who will edit war when possible and exploit his experience on wikipedia to advance his POV in clear violation of rules against politicizing political pages. The behavior of that anon IP I listed above seems to fit that pattern and but maybe I'm overthinking it? Who knows.

Like I said, I have very little experience in these things. If you see something here of a serious nature, then it was right for me to bring this to your attention. Otherwise, forgive me wasting your time. Also- that episode was a couple of weeks ago so it might be considered stale for the purpose of this ANI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. We can certainly conclude that it's someone with similar views to TTAC who has substantial experience of Wikipedia, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was him, but it doesn't strike me as terribly disruptive. Using sockpuppets to evade scrutiny is against policy but I'm not seeing much evidence of that here and if the idea was to evade scrutiny then this is a rather poor attempt. All the edits were made over the period of a few hours. I wouldn't characterise those minor adjustments to SPECIFICO's talk page as baiting, although it does look odd for someone to be making those changes. I suspect this might just be someone who forgot to log in or who couldn't log in for some reason, and if that is the case then nothing will happen. Hut 8.5 23:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
I was just about to shrug my shoulders and agree with you but then TTAC responded to you and the other admins with this explosive tirade: [20] In it, he accuses you and the others of a "witch hunt" and "stalking him" and then confesses to a right to attack others editors "twice as hard" when he perceives himself to be attacked. This is becoming a real problem and I didn't realize how disruptive this guy was until I read that 'rebuttal', ouch!
I'm not sure my initial thoughts in the above post rise to the level of an SPI but certainly if you (again) examine his outrageous response [21], it's hard not to see that his attempts to rationalize his way around wikipedia policies DO represent (to quote you) "poor attempts." My fear is that he's been getting away with this disruptiveness for too long. FCS, he's been getting away with edits on articles suggesting Obama is the "founder of ISIS" and is politically jailing conservatives (all lies).
At the very least, since TTAC is now trying to bully his way out of his ANI with a lot of slander and red-herrings regarding what you and the other admins have said about him, maybe you could at least revisit the ANI with thoughts about his 'rebuttal' there? [22] After looking into it some more, it seems like this editor has a long history of WP:GAMING and just barely getting away with it simply because of (A) luck and (B) because a proper investigation has lacked proper follow-through. Again, if you have time and want to respond to his slippery attempts and manipulating the ANI it might help ensure that he is at least receiving a fair hearing for everyone else involved, most important of all for his victims. Thank you again for your time!
I've replied. Sadly this kind of thing is rather common here and our practices make it rather hard to stamp out. Hut 8.5 20:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Hut 8.5, you're being misled by the notorious sockpuppeter User:Oneshotofwhiskey, who was indeffed as a result of a previous attempt to frame me. "He's been getting away with edits on articles suggesting Obama is the "founder of ISIS" and is politically jailing conservatives (all lies)." I have never made any such edits. (Nor did I accuse you or any other admin of a "witch hunt"—I was referring solely to SPECIFICO's forum shopping.) The reference to "jailing conservatives" is an allusion to the aforementioned edit war at Dinesh D'Souza, where Oneshot replaced the previously accepted photo of D'Souza with his mugshot and mass deleted over 2,000 bytes of previously accepted material from reliable sources like Alan Dershowitz eight separate times ([23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30]), claiming it was "WP:SYNTH" to include Dershowitz's attributed opinion because "he was not involved in this trial of D'Souza," and adding: "Dershowitz himself is a shoddy source considering his own actions in helping murderer O.J. Simpson get away with his crimes." Dershowitz argued that D'Souza's conviction for campaign finance law violations "smacks of selective prosecution"; Onsehot and his IPs conflated that with "claiming ... Obama and the government imprisoned D'Souza which suggests Obama broke the law and that the government engaged in unconstitutional behavior," and sought to label D'Souza a "conspiracy theorist" in violation of WP:BLP, citing "his conspiracy theory that the government through Obama directly or indirectly imprisoned him unfair as part of some retributive plot against him." (As another user noted: "Most people who have been prosecuted believe that they have been unfairly treated and lawyers routinely say that. We do not label all convicted criminals and defense lawyers conspiracy theorists.") On his talk page, Oneshot repeatedly accused me of "gaming the system" in terms strikingly similar to the IP. I will be filing an SPI shortly, and am willing to bet that the IPs commenting here will match the IP being "reported."TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Look, I really have no desire to wade through a load of links on a content dispute which took place a month ago about some person I've never heard of, none of which seems to be terribly relevant to the AE thread. Hut 8.5 23:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
If you change your mind, or are simply curious about who's really socking here, the SPI can be found here.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:01, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

New Violations of Sanctions[edit]

Since you were one of the admins involved in this AE [31] I would like to report that there has been yet another blatant 1RR violation by this same user TheTimesAreAChanging no less than a mere few hours 'AFTER' the AE thread was closed.[32] [33].

He was given a "last warning" by admins in that AE and one LAST chance to turn-around his behavior. Seems like a clear-cut violation at this point. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Are those edits reverts? If so what are they reverting? Hut 8.5 18:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
It's two diffs, and two different texts, but (yes) it's also two different reverts, as TTAAC knows very well. And [34] this edit is particularly problematic because, as has been pointed out, it misrepresents the source. The text inserted by TTAAC claims that " The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) did not support CIA's assessment". That is NOT what the source says. What the source actually says is "The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling". In other words, the source says that while both the FBI and CIA agree that Russia meddled with the election, the FBI is not convinced about what the goal of that meddling was. TTAAC's edit purposefully tries to make it seem like the FBI is disputing that Russia meddled with the election at all. If this hadn't been brought up [35], then maybe it could be attributed to just sloppy rendering of the source, but the edit was made after it had been brought to the talk page (also this comment by TTAAC on another user's talk page indicates that they were aware of the issue). They have also tried to skew it in this way in other articles. Combined with the evidence already presented at WP:AE this is a pretty clear indication that the purpose here is just plain ol' POV pushing (and I get really irked when this is done by misrepresenting sources since that's basically a form of lying and if this was a scholarly community it'd be cracked down on hard). P.S. This is the second time he's tried to use lying to get away with this kind of revert without consensus (which is required). Last time he cited "vandalism":[36], which would've allowed him to get away with it if it truly WAS vandalism. It was most certainly NOT vandalism. Vandalism my A@#.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Disregard for the moment. Looks like another admin is already involved. But I may be back if TTAAC tries to bulls**t his way out of it, etc. Peace.
If you're going to accuse people of 1RR violations then you need to show that the edits in question were reverts, that is they undid something someone else did. There's nothing necessarily wrong with editing the article twice in 24 hours if the edits aren't reverts. And misrepresenting sources, improper though it may be, has nothing to do with 1RR. Hut 8.5 22:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

deletion review for VO5 band[edit]

Finally got to filing the deletion review as you suggested (but didn't encourage). Please let me know if I did not follow any proper procedures. [1] Hopefully nudisco-hating editors or Alberto VO5 Corporation peons won't get their way this time (joke).


Deletion review for V05 (band)[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of V05 (band). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Fantartic (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Bilateral Investment Treaties[edit]

You deleted the pages List of bilateral investment treaties involving the United States and List of bilateral investment treaties involving India, but you did not use the "What Links Here" feature to see what you were deleting. As it turns out, these pages included information that had been removed from Bilateral investment treaties, which is now absent from anywhere on Wikipedia. Could you please fix this? Thanks. --Think Fast (talk) 20:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I saw your note on my Talk page. It seems to me that because you're the editor who screwed it up, without checking to see first what you were erasing, you should be the one to take the time to fix it. I can't really figure out from the version comparison how to fix it myself anyway. --Think Fast (talk) 23:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2016[edit]

hello please protect all articles on Palestine and Israel (talk) 11:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

The template you've used there is for requesting that an edit be made to a protected page, not that a page be protected. If you want to request that a specific page be protected then go to WP:RFPP. Note I said specific, I don't think any administrator is going to spend ages figuring out what pages relate to "Palestine and Israel" just because you asked them to. Hut 8.5 17:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection policy RfC[edit]

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Your recent edits to Template:S-rail/lines have broken something. You have broken the "noinclude" tags, which now puts every article using this template in the Category:Rail transport succession templates and adds a noinclude tag as a comment. Please fix this ASAP! Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I've put the tag back. It looks like TWINKLE broke something while trying to remove a previous (incorrect) protection template. Hut 8.5 19:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement Needed following blatant WP:NPA violations by Disruptive User Previously Warned[edit]

Need help with enforcing the outcome of an ANI that DennisBrown presided over, that you were intimately involved.

Unfortunately, admin Dennis Brown has apparently resigned as an admin but, again, he was the enforcing admin for a particularly nasty ANI that ended with him giving one last chance to a troublesome editor named TTAAC - following his violation of discretionary standards and generally disruptive behavior. Before DennisBrown resigned from Wikipedia he clearly warned TTAAC very directly here [37] pointing out that he was on the razor's edge of a topic ban and other consequences if didn't cease and desist from disruptive behavior:


Since then, TTAAC has not only disregarded this serious FINAL warning, but has gone as far as retaliatory behavior, filing frivolous ANIs against editors as payback for blowing the whistle on him, as he did with this pointless ANI here:[39]

TTAAC was lucky this wasn't WP:BOOMERANGED on him, considering that this clearly was attempt to game the system, a WP:GAMING violation.

But since then he brazenly engaged in WP:NPA violations.

Review the following Netanyahu article edit histories:



So, it would seem enough is enough. Bottom line: he's not getting with the program and it would seem like now is a reasonable time for more direct action IMHO.

Ironically, in a fit of projecting, TTAAC childishly accuses his victim of WP:STALKING when clearly he is the one stalking other editors! In fact, all he can ever talk about is this other editor named @SPECIFICO: since TTAAC's disgrace in his own ANI. Apparently, SPECIFICO is TTAAC's go-to scapegoat when he's having a bad day. And, in that previous ANI where he was found in violation of the rules, TTAAC had also tried to blame his violation(s) of the rules (i.e. in that case violating a 1RR revert rule) on another silly excuse - in that case "vandalism", when clearly he was just trying to BS his way around the rules and guidelines (reviewed below):

  1. Nov. 21 Added a sentence to the article Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations.
  2. Nov. 23, 00:14 Re-added the sentence after it was deleted as controversial. They quickly reverted themselves, but then
  3. Nov. 23 00:16 added it back, describing the removal as "vandalism". This violated the prohibition against restoring controversial material.
  4. Nov 21 removed longstanding material from Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016 as a "hoax"; not supposed to remove longstanding material without consensus.

And now, again, since then (more violations) - (1) his frivolous ANI targeting an innocent editor and (2)these blatant personal attacks when he should really be on his best behavior, (recapped below etc.):




Since DennisBrown is no longer active, I can't go to him. So it seems like it might fall upon another admin in the know who was involved in that ANI to enforce the outcome; which is the ONLY reason I came to your doorstep. And if someone in an authority position doesn't eventually stop appeasing this disruptive editor who clearly knows better, then what's the point of "final warnings" and having discretionary sanctions if the rule of law has no teeth? That is not meant as a criticism of you, but clearly this editor's chronic violation of the rules persists and I would hope his rights end where other innocent editor's rights begin. And, again, I only reached out to you since you were also involved in BOTH ANIs (i.e. and that drama is still fresh and recent in most people's minds, so I don't think it's bad form to mention it now).

Thank you for your time and sorry for the overly thorough nature of this report! Happy Holidays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you go to WP:AE and file a report there if you want this person to be topic banned. Although frankly if the only new evidence you have is this edit summary I don't think you're going to get that. Hut 8.5 15:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello Hut8.5. As a matter of fact, TTAAC has violated DS restrictions numerous times starting immediately after the AE cited above. He has violated 1RR at least twice. He has reinserted content where such reinsertion is expressly prohibited by the talk page DS template. He has engaged in numerous soapbox, personal attack, and TE disruptions. Admins are empowered to block editors who repeatedly violate DS. If you set a high bar that requires other editors to compile indictments, slog through AE threads, and endure retaliatory personal attacks, you are enabling this kind of disruption. I can understand that you would not block a user for whom there's not a clear pattern of disruption and violation, but TTAAC has shown that he is either incapable of understanding WP policy or unwilling to follow it. SPECIFICO talk 15:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I've never violated 1RR on any article related to American Politics; this has already been explained to SPECIFICO numerous times, but that user obviously suffers from a reckless disregard for the truth. The sock above, quoting from MelanieN's earlier AE report, accused me of violating "the prohibition against restoring controversial material"—not breaking 1RR—because the diffs in question were more than 24 hours apart. To SPECIFICO, however, arbitrary exaggerations, " best" distortions of my edits, "false statements and threats" are the norm—indeed, even the sock is more scrupulous with the facts than SPECIFICO! The notion that this edit summary is a "new violation" meriting sanctions only makes sense if you are a WP:BATTLEGROUND editor whose primary purpose is to get political opponents banned.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Violation: [45] [46]. I forget where the other violations were. There have also been at least 2 times when TTAAC reinserted material that had been reverted prior to discussion/consensus on the talk page. He's also violated DS on Israel/Palestine and DS on BLP, as well as scattering personal attacks hither and yon. Nobody has the interest or energy to document all his misconduct and suffer through yet another drama board round replete with misrepresented and cherrypicked attacks from him. In the spurious AE he brought against me he demonstrated that he doesn't understand WP policy regarding "revert" despite the numerous warnings, notices, and templates that he's seen. He's on his third or fourth "last warning now, so it would not be undue for an Admin to enforce DS. SPECIFICO talk 21:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
We've been over this. In the first diff, I trimmed and revised the text with no change to the meaning of the paragraphs, for example by replacing "Trump mocked the report as fabricated" with "Trump's transition team dismissed the allegations, remarking: 'These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction'," and added material on the FBI's dissent (which Volunteer Marek partially reverted): Nothing was "reverted," and if I thought anything had been reverted, I would have simply waited a few more hours before making my next edit so the "reverts" would have been 24 hours apart. You were wrong; you need to accept it and move on. The only relevant DS in Israel/Palestine is the 1RR—there is no restriction on restoring "material reverted prior to discussion/consensus on the talk page" for POV-pushing editors to game and exploit. "He's on his third or fourth 'last warning' now" is simply a careless, false, undocumented smear. Dennis Brown warned me at AE for making one revert without consensus—I assume you advocate topic banning Volunteer Marek and BullRangifer for the same infraction ([47], [48], [49], [50]), which is actually routine in the area due to how poorly and inconsistently the DS are enforced? Your newfound concern for civility is strikingly inconsistent with your prior contention that these edits by your indeffed sockpuppet friend deserved no more consideration than a "speedy close" at ANI—is this double standard explicable by anything other than your political biases?TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Let's get something straight- I'm not either one of your "friends", "enemies", "allies" or anything else in between. This is about what I think about your behavior, not you. The nice thing about the internet is that none of us really know each other. And let's keep it that way. For all I know, you are a great guy and personally I like your passion for Sega video games elsewhere (I'm actually one of the first Sega fans around, and I go back to the Colecovision and Sega Master System era). However this isn't Facebook and it's not about popularity contest. This is about your behavior in which there can be no doubt is chronically disruptive and driven by a WP:Battleground mindset when it comes to editing political pages. That alone is the only topic that matters to me and this bizarre habit you have of making things personal only highlights the problem. Also, for the record, it is clear YOU and YOU alone are stalking editors and NOT the other way around. It is clear that YOU are obsessed with the editor named SPECIFICO and you can't stop talking about her here and elsewhere. Also, it is NOT your place to tell another editor which pages they can not or can not edit. Just because you consider yourself a self-appointed expert on Israeli politics doesn't mean you get decide who is qualified enough to contribute to an article. You are making a WP:OWN violation when you make this kind of arrogant WP:NPA: [51] You revert another veteran editor's contributions with this WP:OWN rationale you gave, "You've never previously edited articles related to Israel or the Middle East--leave this to established, knowledgeable editors." when, seriously...who gives you the right to decide who is "an established, knowledgeable editor"??? For example, it is quite clear you are so blinded by partisan politics you think that Obama is the founder of ISIS [52] and other ridiculous conspiratorial thinking. Slandering a law-abiding Christian man like Obama by falsely accusing him of being the Muslim creator of a homicidal terrorist organization like ISIS is the ultimate WP:BLP violation around. And yet admins have oddly ignored this most horrible of offense. So you should consider yourself lucky. Even on Israeli politics, you are ideological to the extreme. Yet, even so, I would NEVER advocate taking away your right to edit on an article based upon your clear lack of education and intelligence on the subject, or any subject for that matter. You have just as much right to edit that article as SPECIFICO regardless of how IGNORANT you are. The reason you shouldn't be editing these articles at all is because of your addiction to attacking others in a deep and personal way and because of the aforementioned slander where you accuse law-abiding public servants like Obama of being terrorists.
And if admins here want to continue to play the game of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil regarding your blatant disruptive behavior on political articles like I mentioned above and elsewhere, then they will have to live with the shame of cheapening the Wikipedia community and brand by enabling the angry mob of anti-intellectual WP:NOWHERES like yourself.@MelanieN: was the one who first brought this problem editor TTAAC to our attention in a much needed ANI and should she be so inclined maybe she can provide us all some perspective now that the enforcing admin DennisBrown has resigned.
It's a simply a no-brainer regarding you, TTAAC. You have gotten away with disruptive behavior for far too long. You should be topic banned and probably indeffed for your sociopathic behavior here and elsewhere. The longer that admins continue to ignore your fascistic stalking behavior, then the longer that innocent editors that will continue to suffer at your hands. Sadly, this is something that apparently you get off on and went as far to brag about on your own intro page before hiding it in a cowardly display when under the gallows of an API. When it comes to justice and (journalistic) integrity, admins will have to decide what kind of world do they want Wikipedia to live in when someone like you clearly treats it like a battleground and where you harass liberal editors for sport.
Oneshot, once you've been indeffed, it is customary to stop editing.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Nice try. I have no idea what you are talking about, mostly because you seem to rarely know what you are talking about. If you want to con admins into thinking I'm some indeffed anon, then more power to you. As far as what the truth is on such matters, rarely is wikipedia truly concerned about that anyways- which probably explains why you enjoy gaming that process for your end, since it is represents a deficiency that you gleefully exploit as a game. You have already recently accused admins and others in the past of being part of a DNC-lead liberal conspiracy to frame you when being investigated in an ANI. So I will happily play the part if for no other reason than for the sake of personal amusement. I can be your deep-throat or cigarette smoking man. However, Mulder, at least make it interesting for your intended audience. There has been no "editing" of articles by me so I'm not sure where you are getting 'that' from. Just a random anonymous guy like me offering his opinion on an anonymous troll like yourself on an admin's page. In other words, in the greater scheme of things, who cares? Who you think I may or may not be isn't really pertinent to these issues at hand and you are not psychic. So you truly have no idea who I am and I won't waste the time entertaining your paranoia, justified or not. On that, then, we have to agree to disagree. Whether any of your drama above matters to the admin above is at his discretion and up to him, not you. This is isn't a forum. You have already made your opinion and accusations about others known. It is "customary" then to move on, especially since I made it clear above and elsewhere that I was finished offering my two cents anyways. Then again, after reviewing your history, it is "customary" for you to not give a sh*t. You should admire me, then, for reciprocating. Such is the nature of the internet and the wonderful freedom it affords everyone, including people like me that you don't think should be on it and trolls like yourself who harass others for sport. Good luck with that quixotic effort. It is clearly not 'completely' in vain since, in your case, you can at least pat yourself on the back regarding your fascistic President-elect who essentially trolled his way into the White House on a Twitter account. You clearly admire him and 'his' trolling of America's democracy. Whether that is ultimately healthy for you and your nation in the "long run" is up to karma at this point. I would imagine the same goes for your fate on wikipedia. As for me, that same "karma" has offered me the opportunity to speak my mind here. And out of respect for that, this will be my last post on this subject for a while. In the spirit of that generosity then, happy holidays to you TTAAC. (talk) 11:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── My talk page really isn't the venue for a wall-of-text feud between other editors, which I'm not going to read all of. TTAC was strongly warned in response to the last AE thread that his/her behaviour was inappropriate and if continued would result in a topic ban or block, so if there has been further breaches of sanctions since then by this editor in the topic of contemporary American politics since then I would certainly not be above imposing something. However I don't see a great deal of actual evidence of this in the above. The most concrete claim is that of a 1RR violation on Donald Trump, supported by these diffs. It's not clear to me at all that this is in fact a 1RR violation. 1RR only prevents an editor from reverting twice in a 24 hour period - it doesn't forbid people from removing text twice in a 24 hour period, or editing an article twice in a 24 hour period. If you do want to accuse someone of a 1RR violation then you need to present edits which are obviously reverts or evidence which shows that they are in fact reverts. If you want someone to be topic banned then the burden of proof is - rightly - on you to provide concrete evidence of their inappropriate behaviour. Filing an AE thread isn't a "slog", you just file a report stating what remedies have been violated and what your evidence is. Now I will politely suggest that the anon and TTAAC do something over the Christmas period other than feuding with random strangers on the internet, as I will be. Hut 8.5 13:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Understood, sir. Those final warnings against TTAAC weren't for the editor to JUST stop reverting without consensus. They were warnings for him to stop violating guidelines, period. Certainly personal attacks are violations. As for the rest, I don't believe in X-mas as it is a Xtian holiday and I am a Muslim. Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha are my days. But I understand the sentiment on the rest, and I don't blame you for wanting to avoid this quagmire of childish feuding. Of course, I apologize for my end of it. That said, if you do eventually choose to slog through any of this, my concerns had more to do with TTAAC's personal attacks in violation of a 'last' warning on an ANI to stop trolling AND another last FINAL warning before then to be on his best behavior, not to mention his repeated attempts to slander public servants in blatant WP:BLP violations, like when he falsely accused the Christian President Obama of being the founder of an Islamic terrorist organization.[53]. The hint of sarcasm above points to reasonable frustration by the victims of TTAAC who are wondering out loud about the point of giving one last FINAL warning after another if no one is willing to enforce it. In any case, happy holidays to you and thank you for ending this on a positive note. May Allah bless you and yours. (talk) 18:14, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I am very surprised that those two removals of another editor's text to change the meaning could be considered anything but reverts, per WP:3RR and WP:1RR. In fact, at one of his many drama board incidents, TTAAC was told that he did not understand the meaning of revert and he was specifically instructed by an Admin. SPECIFICO talk 18:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

  • IP "If you want to con admins into thinking I'm some indeffed anon, then more power to you." Self-awareness fail.
  • SPECIFICO: "TTAAC was told that he did not understand the meaning of revert and he was specifically instructed by an Admin." Self-awareness fail.
  • Hope ya'll had a Merry Christmas!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
  • SPECIFICO: you seem to be arguing that any edit which removes or rewords any text added by someone else at some point in the past is a revert, which is a much broader definition than the one customarily used. I would expect that for an edit to constitute a revert you should be able to point to the edit(s) which it reverted, if its only effect was to remove content added by many people over a long span of time then I don't think it qualifies. TTAAC: please knock it off and remain civil if you want to continue being able to post here. Hut 8.5 12:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Asking for assistance with an enforcement Matter[edit]

TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) has just been indeffed TBANNED from editing politically-charged pages [54]based upon serious violations of policy.

Rather than take to time to reflect on his behavior and take some time to cool off (like the admins have recommended he do) he's continuing with the attacks like he did here not more than a day after his TBAN:[55]

If he honestly thinks I'm some sort of indeffed sock of some sort, then he knows better by now to file a proper report or SPI given his longtime experience and the conditions of his TBAN. Instead he's making his unsubstantiated accusation as a statement of fact then decides to unilaterally revert my contribution like this:[56]

To make matters worse, he's doing this in the face of evolving consensus against him, since another user joined in to restore the material he deleted, as the other user did here:[57]

So, it's not just me he is doing this too.

Too make matters worse, TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) took a break from his edit warring mere hours before his TBAN to bring his socking allegation to the attention of an admin who promptly ignored his request, telling everyone "Enough."[58]

Rather than respect this admin's decision and drop this drama following his TBAN he decided to revert the article anyways (as listed above).

In the final decision in the above AE, it was determined this disruptive editor must stay away from pages like this given his WIKI:BATTLEGROUND mentality. He was more than made aware of this decision and the reasoning behind it so he can't feign ignorance.

Not to mention that he's supposed to stay away from politically-charged articles like this one, period! (and you can't get more politically-charged than an article about America's nemesis Saddam Hussein, and his behavior during America's Iraq War and his murders following America's covert actions in Iraq to install him,etc.} Yet here he is edit warring about it anyways to advance his political point of view and soapboxing about it. Unbelievable.

If you take time to review the TBAN decision, one of the conclusions derived from it is that TTAAC had received final warning after final warning yet he was being too WP:POINTY and too busy soapboxing to get the message. So it was finally decided that only enforcement was possible with this WP:NOTHERE of an editor.

The advice moving forward by other admins on the talk page when dealing with him is that rather than bog down the AE boards with obvious violations of policy like this with more elaborate reports, sometimes it is better to reach out to a neutral admin for simple enforcement, hence my post here. So forgive the length of it! Maybe a time out over this WP:FINALSTRAW is in order since he continues to ignore the advice of admins to voluntarily do so.

Thank you for your time! :) (talk) 01:39, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

So you want me to do what exactly - block TTAAC for calling you a sockpuppet? I have no idea whether this accusation is right but you've definitely been here before in some incarnation and if you are evading any sort of block or ban than TTAAC would be perfectly entitled to revert your edits. Hut 8.5 07:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Nope. I'm not. But it matters not. Someone else is already on it. Thanks for your time. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Update: The TTAAC has just been found guilty for socking puppetry: [59] So admin intervention for the other listed reasons won't be necessary, he found a way to block himself. (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Paul Joseph Watson[edit]

Are you approachable to talk about this person and an article about him? I know that, generally, Wikipedia Administrators don't much like discussing things or changing their views on things, but I hope you might at least be willing to discuss the matter? The issue is whether or not PJW should have an article. Whether we like his politics or not is immaterial. Or it should be. Nevertheless, this is someone who is known for his own YouTube channel and for the numerous articles he writes for Alex Jones on Infowars. As of January 2017, his YouTube channel boasts just over 685,000 subscribers and has had 155,000,000 views in total.. His video on Hilary Clinton's health has had 5.7 million views and made a not insignificant impact on the recent Presidential Election. His also a published author. The fact that there is a block on creating a page for him is actually quite troubling - is Wikipedia politically neutral? Should it be? This action to prevent him having an article appears partisan. This is particularly strange given the number of articles for virtually unknown and arguable insufficiently notable local councillors (here is an example: who are usually from the far-left. Clearly, this process looks politically skewed. Would you see if the "powers at be" in Wikipedia might now permit an article about this person who is demonstrably notable and more so since the presidential election this year. Aetheling1125 16:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

RfC on "No paid editing for Admins" at WT:COI[edit]

I've relisted an RfC that was run at WT:Admin in Sept. 2015. It is at Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest#Concrete proposal 3 as there are a number of similar proposals going on at the same place. Better to keep them together. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:39, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The h.wood Group[edit]

Why did you delete The h.wood Group page? I sited many sources. Its a very well known company that gets a lot of media buzz. We would like a page on wiki so we can reference the information on your page.

Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:99D7:BA00:55FA:BE22:A6B5:A3D4 (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy revdeletion![edit]

Wow! I went to stick a {{cclean}} on the talk page, went back to the article and the revdeletion was already done! Thank you so much! Mostly I think we're just sinking under the weight of the copyvio (and the COI and the paid editing ...), but sometimes I feel that if we pull together we still have a chance. This is one of those moments – thank you for it! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:04, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Yuli Muñoz[edit]

Can you userfy Yuli Muñoz for me? Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Found the content here: Draft:Yuly Muñoz. Please disregard. Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks - was just about to tell you that. Hut 8.5 21:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Unprotection request for Paul Joseph Watson[edit]

I want to request an unprotection of Paul Joseph Watson, a page that you create-protected in June 2016. While the AfD at the time was correct, as there was very little in-depth coverage of him at the time, there were subsequent stories about him published in August 2016 (about his controvertial stories about Hillary clinton during the election) and recently in late February 2017 (about his offer to fly a journalist to Malmo in sweden). In-depth sources include the BBC, Huff Post, Independent, the Guardian, and other reliable but less known sources. I have rewritten the draft article Draft:Paul Joseph Watson to include these new sources, but I can't create the stub until it is unprotected. Some help would be appreciated. InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you've misinterpreted the logs - I didn't protect the page against recreation, I'm just the most recent admin to delete the page. I suggest you talk to @DGG: who is the protecting admin. Hut 8.5 13:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Apologies, I'll do that. InsertCleverPhraseHere 18:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

South Front[edit]

Your decision to delete South Front was erroneous. Specifically, it is an instance of Groupthink to which Wikipedia as an open source community (see The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar) is not immune. The only way that your decision can be legitimized is by denying that there exists an information_bubble that excludes material as published by South Front. Please note that Wikipedia editors are not saints, in respect of which I suggest you peruse the THE WIKIPEDIA POINT OF VIEW on (talk) 02:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding deletion of Page titled Sanam Arora[edit]

Regarding the contested self-promotion claim and subsequent speedy deletion flag, the article was checked and passed for its language, content, intention and notability of the person by User:Beeblebrox who re-instated the page after it was shortly deleted for copyright issue on 11 September 2015 (sorted out instantaneously as it was not intended).

Speedy deletion claim on page Ms Sanam Arora, who heads a pan-UK youth organisation namely National Indian Students Union and Alumni Union (NISAU) UK, by user Rd897 looks like a case of someone trying to settle the personal score instead. Since creating the profile on Wikipedia, user Rd897 has only contested NISAU or Sanam Arora for their notability (which is evident by the external references mentioned in both articles) which this screenshot proves clearly.

Screenshot of wiki activity of user Rd897

The other fact to take into account is that user created the account on 4th of March, a day after NISAU appointed Dr Shashi Tharoor, former Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations and Member of Parliament, Lok Sabha, India as its Patron covered widely by media in the UK including the Independent and in India (The Indian Express)and contested both the pages soon after Dr Tharoor left the UK. This creates suspicion of some political/ideological vendetta involved as well because Dr Tharoor was vocal regarding British rule and Indian government led by Mr Narendra Modi during his stay in the UK. MohanishB (talk) 02:09, 17 March 2017 (UTC)