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template:user x and template:user x/doc[edit]

You are the author of these two templates. What is the distinction between them? Do we need two templates? {{user pt-2}}, for example, uses {{user x}} but appears to work if I change it to use {{user x/doc}} which is used by the majority of language user templates. There are only a handful of these template that use {{user x}}; ok to switch them to {{user x/doc}}?

Trappist the monk (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I see that you changed both of {{user x}} and {{user x/doc}} but I don't think that those changes produce correct results. For example, compare:
{{user pt-2}} – this looks mor-or-less as I assume it should
{{user st-2}} – no documentation about the user st-2 template itself
{{user fr}} – also no doc
and, those changes blew-away the changes that I made yesterday to {{user x/doc}}. Yesterday I changed the parameters supplied to {{languages}} in {{user x/doc}} to use Module:ISO 639 name. There is a similar call to {{languages}} in {{user x}}; similar but not identical. Why?
Trappist the monk (talk) 08:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
And now I see that you have reverted yourself which puts us back to where we were when I first asked about these templates. So what happens now? Do you intend to fix the issues that I described? If not, will you do me the courtesy of answering the questions that I have asked so that I might fix the templates myself?
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
If you think the two pages are redundant then why don't you get rid of one? If you want me to do something besides deliver your newspaper on time, you should have asked, "Please do __," and not asked why without presenting a problem. If you want an answer within a certain time period you should set a deadline, present an urgent problem rather than a theoretical curiosity, and, my grandma taught me that you should say please. Even if you're right, even if you're friends, even if you're enemies, and even if you're the boss. Hyacinth (talk) 02:17, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I have not asked anything from you except answers to my questions so that I could understand why you created two templates that more-or-less do the same work. With that knowledge, I can know what to do about {{user x}}. What I got from you was changes to the two templates that were then reverted when I pointed out that the changes did not work. The changes and the reverts were accompanied by silence from you. Now, after I asked you about intentions, you chastise me for being uncivil. Thanks, but that isn't helpful so I'll noodle it out on my own.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
If you wanted me to "noodle it" you could have asked me to, rather than objecting to my "noodling". Is "noodling" an "al dente" reference? Hyacinth (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
All that I wanted from you was answers to my questions. You elected to act instead of answer. Of course I objected to your actions because those actions produced incorrect results.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
If you want me to tell you my intentions then it might help if you first shared your intentions. That way your question may be more clarified, and I may be able to give you a better answer faster (I'm not talking about courtesy, I'm talking about results). Hyacinth (talk) 20:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I think that my intentions were made clear by the last question of my first post here: There are only a handful of these template that use {{user x}}; ok to switch them to {{user x/doc}}? I know now that it is ok to switch those few templates to {{user x/doc}} because that has been done.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for saying thanks. Hyacinth (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
If you want to see the differences between the two templates code then click "Edit" and (select all: Ctrl-A, then) copy the code of {{User x}}, go to {{User x/doc}}, click "Edit", select all (Ctrl-A) and paste, then click "Show changes" (or the other way around).
If you had looked you would see that I initially created {{User x}} 13:44, March 17, 2014‎ as a redirect to {{User x/doc}}, which I did not create until 22:25, March 17, 2014‎. This means that my original intention was not to have duplicate templates. Presumably I was confused by or concerned with the ambiguity of a template used to create template documentation, and that users may have mixed {{User x/doc}} and {{User x}} up.
If you look at {{user pt-2}} with {{User x}} there is something missing compared to {{User x/doc}}.
{{User x}} reads:
  • This template will automatically add your page to the following categories:
rather than {{User x/doc}}, which reads:
  • This template will automatically add your page to the following categories:
It appears that {{User x/doc}} should be copied to {{User x}} and all templates using {{User x/doc}} should use {{User x}}. Then {{User x/doc}} may serve as the documentation for {{User x}} (unless {{User x}} was redirected to {{User x/doc}} and the documentation can be placed at {{User x/doc/doc}} Hyacinth (talk) 05:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)). Hyacinth (talk) 05:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, what's the problem? Hyacinth (talk) 20:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Except that {{user x}} exists and is for the most part unused and contains code that more-or-less duplicates the code in {{user x/doc}}, probably nothing any longer. It would seem to me that the correct path forward is to move {{user x/doc}} to {{user x doc}} because that is the function performed by the template; {{user x doc/doc}} becomes the documentation page for {{user x doc}}. The language user templates are all modified to use {{user x doc}}. {{user x}} and {{user x/doc}} can be deleted or re-purposed.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Hi folks. User:The Earwig alerted me to this discussion. I recently synched Template:User x/doc to Template:User x. I am now proposing to run a bot to change the parameter in the relevant transclusions of Template:Documentation from Template:User x/doc to Template:User x. The proposal is at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BsherrAWBBOT 2. After all transclusions have been changed, I will move the "noinclude" contents from the base page to the doc subpage, and add {{Documentation}} in their place. I invite your comments here or there. Thanks very much. --Bsherr (talk) 15:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Maple Leaf Rag Fix Needed[edit]

Hello, Hyacinth. It's great that you wrote up an excerpt of Maple Leaf Rag, but please correct the time signature when you have a chance. It should be 2/4 (2 quarter note beats per measure), not 4/2 (4 half note beats per measure).

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Done. Thanks for asking. Hyacinth (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for taking care of it! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination of Equivalence for deletion[edit]

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A Dobos torte for you![edit]

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To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen () 14:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Hyacinth (talk) 22:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

A suggestion when you are notified of a proposed deletion[edit]

I don't understand what you're saying. I assume you are referring to Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list#Girls' toys and games. Are you giving me a suggestion (a way to help save articles from deletion?) or asking for a suggestion from me? Hyacinth (talk) 20:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I am an active member of the rescue squad. It helps to have the help of others when dealing with proposed deletions. They aren't 'votes' but numbers and resources matter. That's all. But maybe you knew that already. If so, I apologize for taking up your time. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 20:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Are you suggesting that I could help the rescue squad by participating, or that I could get help from the rescue squad? Either way it seems like an implicit compliment. Hyacinth (talk) 20:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Actually both. I noticed your participation at the deletion discussion of Equivalence, and noted it was not listed at the Article Rescue Squad. All is well that ends well. Prost. 7&6=thirteen () 20:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Mutually beneficial. You can do good by doing well, and vice versa. It is good to succeed. 7&6=thirteen () 21:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Food issue[edit]

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Anacrouse[edit]

Hello, Hyacinth. Thank you for your file on Commons. Please could you add this for french anacrouse : Début de Valet will ich dir geben, BWV 736. L'anacrouse est notée en rouge. Regards, --Sidonie61 (talk) 01:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Which file are you thanking me for? What do you want me to add (something related to Bach and anacrusis)? Hyacinth (talk) 01:48, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary[edit]

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Five years!

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For real this time! Hyacinth (talk) 22:57, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Osgood curve[edit]

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Example in "Degree (music)"[edit]

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Barbershop seventh[edit]

Nearly a decade ago, in Harmonic seventh chord, you added this quote from Gage Averill's book: "There's a chord in a barbershop that makes the nerve ends tingle....We might all our chord a Super-Seventh!" Is that second sentence a typo, for "We might call our chord..."? I don't see how else to understand it, but didn't want to change a quote without checking the source. Rigadoun (talk) 19:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Nice catch! If interested you can read the quote yourself: [1]. Hyacinth (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Ludus Tonalis graphic[edit]

Greetings. Your nice score excerpt from Ludus Tonalis was converted a couple of years ago by DatBot to a much smaller file that unfortunately lost too much resolution. You’ll see now there are staff lines and stems missing. I don’t know what the best solution is, but I wanted to bring it to your attention. MJ (tc) 17:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I uploaded versions with less and less resolution, stopping with a 9 KB version (only 3 KB more than DatBot's version and lower heighth and width). Hyacinth (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)