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Hauer tone rows[edit]

Hello, my Name is Paramelin, and i am from Austria. Propably you did initialize and mostly edit the page of the "list of tone rows and series". I think, it would be very important to consider the twelve tone series of Josef Matthias Hauer there. Not only that he wrote the first intentional twelve-tone-opus (Nomos. opus 19; aug. 1919 f.i. bar 1-36 ! [you edited?]). While in his earlier works more tone rows (f. e. through one trope) determined a work, in his later works, the so named "Zwölftonspiel" (1940-59 the whole piece is "born" from one single tone row. Also his Opera "Salambo" 1929 [before Kreneks Karl V !] is based on one series (B, F, Ab, C#, G, A ; Eb, F#, C, Bb, D, E). I could'nt believe that in your list i couldn't find a single twelve tone row from him … Best wishes, Paramelin Paramelin (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)Paramelin (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

In English, at least, "tone row" implies an ordered collection. See: Talk:List of tone rows and series#Possible (unordered) tone rows. Hyacinth (talk) 15:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

An example: The "Zwölftonspiel. 3. Februar 1954" for piano is based on exactly one ordered collection: D, B, F#, E, A#, C#, D#, G, F, G#, C, A. I could give you many more examples of Hauer like this. Hauer often writes in the title of his late works: "… mit einer [!] Zwölftonreihe …". "Zwölftonspiele" didn't only use the earlier "Tropentechnik". I think, it should be no problem to count him in in your list. If you need help at this point, please use http://www.uni-graz.at/harald.fripertinger/db/ (under "search the database for musical information"; this year will appear a special issue to our studies in "mathematics and music") or write to me : peter_lackner@gmx.at. Best wishes. Paramelin (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want me to add his rows to the list you may have to wait. You may add his rows to the list yourself, if you like. Hyacinth (talk) 13:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Then I will try to become more familiar with your normal-forms of rows and their inversions next week, and then add a smaller representative collection of Hauer - series. Thank You. Paramelin (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Concerns regarding FA quality[edit]

I've just tidied up The Long and Winding Road a little, and removed some unsourced trivia. The article doesn't appear to me as either FA or GA quality in terms of coverage, prose, and MoS requirements - it was promoted in 2004, and reviewed again in 2006, and hasn't been well maintained. I will not have the time to tidy up the article or take my concerns further, however it seems appropriate to raise those concerns rather than merely pass on by, so, per the stage one process at Wikipedia:Featured article review I have left a note on the article talkpage, and am notifying relevant Projects and those previously involved in promoting the article. It is unlikely I will be getting involved further. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Commons category template[edit]

Dear Hyacinth,

I guess this discussion Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_20#Category:Commons_category_template_with_no_category_set might interest. I suppose your input on this topic could be valuable. --Robby (talk) 21:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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I offered an explanation for your concern (Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#.7B.7Bclarify.7D.7DCurb Chain (talk) 21:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Request for input[edit]

Should the Combination tone article you edited, which includes a section on Resultant tones include information about the use of resultant tones in heavy metal music power chords? For talk page discussion, see here.OnBeyondZebraxTALK 02:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the List of music students by teacher pages.[edit]

Hi. I think is is time for some more splitting of the List of music students by teacher pages.

The two pages about 60kbytes load fairly comfortably, the others take far too long even on my quite powerful desktop machine, so I suggest that 60kbytes is a reasonable size to aim for, given the high template count on these pages.

Can you do this? --Mirokado (talk) 14:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I can do this. Today, as a first step, I created
and moved "C" to
And split "G to M" to
It looks like "A", "B to C", and "D to F" will have to be (re)created. "N to S" should be able to be split in half. Hyacinth (talk) 11:08, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
First step looks good, thanks for the quick response! --Mirokado (talk) 23:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Stravinsky Octet example on Counterpoint page[edit]

Hello, I've noticed that the example you've provided on the Counterpoint page, (under linear counterpoint) for the Stravinsky Octet is riddled with errors. I'm new to editing on Wikipedia, so if you could get in touch with me (so as to not waste space here), I'd really appreciate the opportunity to help you fix it. Thanks, J.annicchiarico (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

How would I know you are correct? Hyacinth (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Because I'm a graduate student in music writing my thesis on Stravinsky's neoclassical music :) J.annicchiarico (talk) 03:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

What is the symbol at half-diminished seventh chord?[edit]

Hi. The article has e.g. Cø, with a superscript slashed oh. Is that right? This has no support in Unicode. I'm getting a proposal together for unsupported symbols, but want to be sure I don't mix things up. Should it really be C° with a slash? (I see we use both the degree sign and a superscript oh for 'diminished'; for all I know it should be a superscript zero and slashed zero.) Thanks.

Oh, do these need to be superscript, or is that just a stylistic choice? If no info is lost when the superscripting gets lost, then Unicode won't assign a code point to the superscript. — kwami (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

The circle means diminished. The circle with a slash means half diminished. They have to be superscript or they appear to be the letter "o". Hyacinth (talk) 00:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
So, they aren't superscript "o"? Are o (ᵒ) and ø technically wrong? It makes a difference how they'd be encoded. — kwami (talk) 03:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
The easiest thing to do is use {{Music}}. Hyacinth (talk) 05:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay. I assume that's a fudge, and I won't bother trying to add support to Unicode. — kwami (talk) 05:27, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • 0, o, o, o, °
  • ø, ø, ø, ø
The music manual of style policy or guideline is that certain things should be displayed a certain way. For example, a sharp symbol should be "" rather than "#" (unless, for instance, used in a monospace example) or "Hash-tag". The easiest way to do this may be the use of {{music}}, which displays symbols in the approved manner using, if available, a unicode entity. If one types "{{music|diminished}}" the template displays "°" ("&deg;"), which I assume is the unicode degree sign. If one types "{{music|half diminished}}" the template displays "ø" ("<sup>&oslash;</sup>"). Hyacinth (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but my question was what is proper for music, not the best we can accommodate on WP. If it's supposed to be a slashed circle, not o or zero, then that would require different Unicode encoding than a slashed o (which can also be used for phonetic notation) or slashed zero (which might have mathematical uses). — kwami (talk) 22:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I know nothing about coding for Unicode, but the symbols in question are exactly as Hyacinth has described them: superscript small circle (neither a lowercase letter "oh" nor a zero) for "diminished", and the same superscripted circle with a diagonal line through it (from low-left to high-right) for "half diminished". This is what is "proper for music". I believe that the "music" templates developed for Wikipedia are meant to produce this result, however it is accomplished technically.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I suspect that Unicode would want separate code points for the musical notation, then. — kwami (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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Marie Serneholt[edit]

If you want to, please take a look at the article about Marie Serneholt, which is this weeks selected TAFI article. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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Another Stravinsky Error[edit]

Hello, I've found another error in your Stravinsky examples, this time on the Stravinsky Mass page. I'm currently writing my master's thesis on this piece, and I'd love to see this corrected. The pitch B double flat in the tenor/bass, m.1 is incorrect; especially in light of the A natural (same pitch) you've written in the next measure. I contacted you about an error in the Stravinsky Octet example too, to no avail. I would love to open a line of dialogue with you personally to help you fix your errors. Either respond to me here, or at my e-mail address, j [dot] annicchiarico [at] gmail [dot] com

Thanks! J.annicchiarico (talk) 16:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

See: WP:Cite. Hyacinth (talk) 08:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Notable logicians[edit]

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Thanks[edit]

Hi Hyacinth, Just a quick note of thanks for the many, many Template:reqinstrument tags you've recently added to articles on musical instruments which are currently without audio files. Your work is greatly appreciated. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 10:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. Hyacinth (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Audio files request at Gubal (instrument)[edit]

Hi Hyacinth, you added an audio files reqest on the talk page of the article "Gubal (instrument)". I invite you to discuss the own research and verifiability problem of this article: Talk:Gubal_(instrument) --Ixkeys (talk) 14:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Pythagorean comma audio[edit]

Left request on Pythagorean Comma talk page for an audio file that will give the higher and lower versions of (say) C first alternately so we can compare pitches, then simultaneously so we can hear the beats.CharlesHBennett (talk) 18:54, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

It turns out the file was mistaken (presumably both notes where C). Thanks for asking though, it should be fixed now. Hyacinth (talk) 08:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of List of jazz standards for deletion[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Hello, Hyacinth. You have new messages at Template talk:Chord progressions.
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Hi, sorry to bother you but you seem to have been a prolific editor there and I'd love to know your view. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 12:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for all your work on this. I'm knocked out. Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Does this ring any bells? :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Two years ago ...
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thoughts on music
... you were recipient
no. 762 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Template talk[edit]

Dear Hyacinth

I'm sorry, but on many levels I am not very good at this and I am finding it difficult to understand our conversation at the chord template talk page.

Obviously I must be missing the point in some fairly massive way and if I am, as I suspect, being stupid then I apologise.

I would be most grateful if you could please just explain to me the point(s) that you wish to make and I will then try to respond.

Thanks and best wishes

DBaK (talk) 14:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I assume English is not your first language. Do you agree or disagree?
You stated: "I don't understand why this template has an entry for I–V–vi–IV ("pop-punk") piped to I–V–vi–IV progression." This is the equivalent of asking, "Why does this template an entry for I–V–vi–IV ("pop-punk") piped to I–V–vi–IV progression?" Do you agree or disagree?
Hyacinth (talk) 03:22, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the reply. I'm still a bit baffled, and feel as if we are moving towards some grand denouement in which you'll suddenly explain the whole thing and I will in a flash of illumination become wiser but sadder. I really wish that you would simply state the problem; rightly or wrongly I currently feel that you are playing some sort of game with me.
You have, however, asked me questions, which seem at least to hold the promise of progress, so let me try to answer them in good faith.
1. English is my first language. If, however, it helps with clarity when you explain the problem to me, please feel free to assume that it is not.
2. I do agree that the two statements that you offer are broadly equivalent.
Now, please, please, tell me what the problem is here?
Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
It may at all not be stupidity on your side that is causing this confusion between us, it may be entirely my stupidity. I would not agree that there is a "problem" here, or between us, just an extended conversation. I feel that you asked a question, which I would be happy to answer (if I knew an answer). However, I, apparently, don't understand the question. Hyacinth (talk) 07:21, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the nice reply. I've just dashed into a rehearsal, but will try to respond properly as soon as possible. Best wishes, DBaK (talk) 08:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Right then. With apologies for what I may have misunderstood, or just missed, here is what I think happened:

  • 12:47, 17 January 2016 I ask the question, saying ""I don't understand why this template has an entry for I–V–vi–IV ("pop-punk") piped to I–V–vi–IV progression", which, as you say, is equivalent to "Why does this template [have] an entry for I–V–vi–IV ("pop-punk") piped to I–V–vi–IV progression?"
  • 12:49, 17 January 2016 I send you a TB message to this page, hoping to ensure that you have seen the above.
  • 16:55, 17 January 2016 You remove one instance of "pop-punk" from the template.
  • 16:56, 17 January 2016 You remove the other instance of "pop-punk" from the template.
  • 17:26, 17 January 2016 You add the "pop-punk" wording to the I–V–vi–IV progression article, and develop it in in subsequent edits.
  • 23:44, 17 January 2016 Seeing that you have fixed it, I thank you on this page; I am assuming that your edits above are at least in part a response to my question. I appreciate the fact that you have removed the anomaly from the template and introduced the term and an example at the target article, where I suspect it is more comfortable.
  • Silence ensues for a month.
  • 22:43, 17 February 2016 You ask me a question which I find confusing, namely 'What do you mean? This template doesn't contain the words "pop", "punk", or "pop-punk".' The reason I am confused by this is that we both know that it did contain those terms a month earlier, when I asked the question, but you fixed it; I cannot see what was wrong with my question at the time ... a question to which I assumed that your editing actions were to some extent a response.
  • Confusion ensues for some days.

And here we are. Please feel free to deconfuse me.

With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 12:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joseph Yasser[edit]

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Paul-André Bempéchat[edit]

I deleted this as a WP:A7. The subject questioned the deletion on my talk page. I know you have an interest in music and would appreciate it if you would look at the article and see if you think the article should be restored. -- GB fan 00:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Joseph Yasser[edit]

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Creating categories[edit]

Hyacinth, don't you think it might be appropriate to consult the relevant Wikiproject before you create new categories? I suspect the huge number of Graph categories you just created would be even more controversial for mathematicians than the Works with Dedication category you created for classical music. Sincerely, Opus33 (talk) 17:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Impostor[edit]

That wasn't me. That was an impostor User:Linguist1111, who was forging my signature. Linguist 111talk 23:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Pronic number[edit]

Hi. I don't understand how File:Pronic number Cuisenaire rods 6.png demonstrates that 6 is a pronic number. 6 is a pronic number because it 6 = 2 x (2 + 1), but I don't see how your diagram shows that. Can you explain what I am missing ? Thanks Gandalf61 (talk) 09:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree, I think that showing 6 = 5+1 is not helpful to understand that 6 is a pronic number. Besides, the is a diagram under As figurate numbers that already does a good job at illustrating pronic numbers. Dhrm77 (talk) 13:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
You changed the picture, but the new one is equally confusing. How does showing 6=5+1 or 12=11+1 help to demonstrate what a pronic number is? In the case of 12, if we saw 4 sections of 3 or 3 sections of 4, that might help... for 6, 2 sections of 3 or 3 sections of 2... Dhrm77 (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. The new diagram does not help. And the text you wrote with it suggests that a pronic number is always 1 greater than a prime number, which is incorrect - 56, for example, is a pronic number but 55 is not prime. I have removed the diagram from the article. If you have another proposed diagram, please can we review it at Talk:Pronic number. Gandalf61 (talk) 06:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Your picture image:Prime number Cuisenaire rods 7.png[edit]

I would like to make a few suggestions about your picture:

  • the use of colors might be a little too confusing. I suggest you use only 2 colors for the bars. use 1 color for what the multiples of a divisor that fits in 7, and another color for the remainder. That would make it less confusing.
  • be more consistent with remainders. On the second line you have 7 = 1 + (2*3), but on the sixth line you have 7 = 6 + 1 (remainder of 1 on the left, versus on the right).
  • You could use numbers of different colors to separate divisors, dividend and remainder.

example:

7 = (7 * 1) + 0
7 = (3 * 2) + 1
7 = (2 * 3) + 1
7 = (1 * 4) + 3
7 = (1 * 5) + 2
7 = (1 * 6) + 1
7 = (1 * 7) + 0

Hope this helps. Dhrm77 (talk) 12:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

The Cuisenaire rods have a colour depending on their length, please see the article. The illustrations, being of these rods, are correct to show the colour for each rod. --Mirokado (talk) 13:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

WP:CAT#T[edit]

Can you locate the consensus for WP:CAT#T? The original addition was made by you, briefly reverted, restored, and then the only subsequent challenge that I bumped into was at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 15#Wikipedia:Categorization.23Template categorization, but I can find no other talk page discussion regarding the section, and especially none supporting it originally. Can you help? --Izno (talk) 02:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Everything on Wikipedia is contributed by an editor and is new at one point. Are you asking me about the link "WP:CAT#T", or about the content of the section linked to? As with articles and categories, a link and the content linked to are different things. Hyacinth (talk) 02:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm not asking you about your rationale for addition, nor about the link. I'm asking you to identify where, on any set of pages, others actively agreed that the section in question should exist, or that it should say what you added therein. --Izno (talk) 03:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
You provided me with a link to a discussion where two people agree with WP:CAT#T. I feel like if I searched around long enough I would find a spot where the policy/practice was suggested to me (causing me to add it to WP:CAT), but I (currently) don't feel willing to search through the histories of WP:CAT, Category:Wikipedia categories.
Are you looking for rationale out of curiosity or because you oppose or support the policy/practice at WP:CAT#T? Hyacinth (talk) 03:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm planning an AWB run to remove a number of templates categorized incorrectly according to the guideline--given that its addition to the guideline does not have an obvious consensus, that AWB run would be inappropriate per the rules for use of AWB. I happen to support the guideline along the same principles that have driven maintenance categories to be hidden from user-sight. --Izno (talk) 03:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Confusing code at Template Optical illusions[edit]

Hello!  :) Could you please tell me what this does? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Why? If one look[s Hyacinth (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)] at Template:If, Template:Str left, and Template:Pagename, one can see that the if the article name begins with Penrose (a seven letter word), the word "Penrose" is bolded, such that if one looks at Penrose triangle, the template bolds not only the word "triangle", but also the word "Penrose". Hyacinth (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah okay. You are very clever. I don't know how people learn all that code stuff. It just looks like chicken scratch to me. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
If you would ever like me to attempt to explain any code or template I would be happy to try. Hyacinth (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Template:Pagename spits out the article title. Template:Str left trims its content (Template:Pagename) down to the first seven characters, since Penrose is a seven letter word. Template:If tests if its content is "Penrose" and if so spits out "Penrose" with the apostrophes needed to bold a word, and if not spits out "Penrose" without bolding. Hyacinth (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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Suggestion of moving "Aspect of music" to "Elements of music"[edit]

Hyacinth, from your recent modifications to Aspect of music, I deduce that you didn't completely loose interest in that article. You will have read in its talk page that your advice about its (re)naming is much needed, as you were its creator. It seems to me that the arguments exchanged on this talk page about the change of name are worth taking in account, but I am among those interested in your opinion (here or there). Thanks in advance — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 19:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Proportional string fingering image[edit]

Your image [2] which appears on the String instrument page, has this explanatory text: "String fingering is proportional and not fixed." Yet it appears to be an orphan within the article, as I can find no relevant text, particularly in the section Production of multiple notes which is where one might expect to read an explanation of the proportionality of fingering. Despite my education in mathematics, physics and playing stringed instruments, I'm at a loss to understand exactly what the captions bracketing pairs of notes: 1/2, 1/4, 3/4 refer to. For example, I'd expect the 1/2 to be the relationship between stopped string length for the C on the bass staff and the C below it, as they're an octave apart; yet the 1/2 appears between the low C and its fifth, the low G on the staff. Readers without benefit of my background may be even more confused.

Would you please make time to revisit the image, to confirm that it does convey the information you intended it to? Thanks for reading! yoyo (talk) 09:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

We should check first with Walter Piston's 1955 Orchestration, p.5. Hyacinth (talk) 21:02, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Redirection of Countermelody[edit]

I just noticed that you had recently redirected Countermelody to Hauptstimme. Although I see the connection between the two, I also note that Countermelody is by far the more commonly-used term. Was there any discussion of this redirect that you can point me to? If not, how would you feel about me undoing the redirect (and adding Hauptstimme as a 'See Also' link)? NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

  • I changed it back. I'm sorry, the change wasn't helpful to navigation as "countermelody" is described in the lead of "counter-melody as a common alternate spelling. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Brass instrument with quarter tone lowering[edit]

Hello Hyacinth. If a trumpet or flugelhorn is given 4th valve which lowers by quarter tone, such as this one ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcLYqjYmYFM ), what are all the notes the instrument can produce? For example, would that give me 24-tone equal temperament (24-TET), or something else? --Nusaybah (talk) 03:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

A valve that lowers a note by a quarter tone, that can be combined with the other valves in trumpet that can attain 12-tet, should provide one with 24-tet. For example, Fhalf flat/Ehalf sharp should be obtainable through using the valve(s) that allows the perfect fourth with the valve that allows the quarter tone. The addition of this valve to a pre-existing 12-tet trumpet may want to be avoided, as adding a valve may affect the necessary placement of the existing valves.
In the image at Trumpet#Fingering, one can see that the notes 0 (open), e (2), t (1), 9 (1-2), 8 (2-3), 7 (1-3), 6 (1-2-3) can be reached (inversion allows 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6); the full chromatic scale. Valve two lowers by a half step, valve one by a whole step, and valve three by three half steps.
Presumably the fourth valve should allow all notes in 24-tet (11.5 = 4, 10.5 = 2-4, 9.5 = 1-4, etc.), but I don't know how the fingering works on brass instruments and couldn't tell you much about the 12-tet ones.
Hyacinth (talk) 05:31, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
One problem is that brass instruments play the overtones (changed by lip pressure) of the fundamental, which is changed by the valves. Thus one has access to more pitches in the higher ranges, but these are in just intonation and not 12-tet, and notes become rapidly more difficult to produce as the register goes higher. Even before one adds any valves there are already difficulties playing in 12-tet (see: Bugle call). Measured in cents, any note in 12-tet should be divisible by 100, any note in 24-tet should be divisible by 50. Assuming that valve two lowers by a 12-tet half step, and that valve four lowers by a 24-tet quarter step, it allows additional pitches as follows:
Available pitches
Harmonic 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
C: cents 0 0 701.96 0 386.31 701.96 968.83 0
Chalf flat/Bhalf sharp: cents 1150 1150 651.96 1150 336.31 651.96 918.83 1150
B: cents 1100 1100 601.96 1100 286.31 601.96 868.83 1100
Trumpet players have to learn how to adjust for these differences (raising the fifth harmonic from 386.31 to about 400). I assume that adding a valve both makes it a little or a lot easier and a little or a lot harder to play the trumpet (in 12-tet). Hyacinth (talk) 04:18, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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