User talk:Hydnjo/Archive 16

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I've added a DISPLAYTITLE to get your user (and this talk) page title to display the way you want it. I assume you don't mind. -- Rick Block (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hell no Rick, don't mind at all - it seems there's always someone to fix anything around here. We're so glad to hear from you personally; you fixed so much more than our initial "H" and I think that you know what we mean ;-) Thanks my friend - we needed that right now!
We'll be about restoring our pages as soon as we are done toasting to your unexpected surprise and welcomed visit! heidi 'n joe 00:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice to see you're still around as well. I've been kind of busy at work, so haven't had a lot of time to spend here. We should catch up sometime. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

re: clever Colossal Cave Adventure reference that almost slipped past me[edit]

I guess you're technically right that per the WP:3RR you can't revert again, but I certainly wouldn't call you on it if you did. Let's just see what people think, you'll probably get your way anyway --ffroth 03:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Cloaked? Just go to the page history and hit undo next to the last edit. Or do you mean trying to find a direct link to my header? Yeah, it has to be transcluded or you only see the noinclude text, and it needs arguments too or you just see the default- headercfg is just a transclusion of the header with no parameter --ffroth 03:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Hah, everything's becoming clear now :) Not to you apparently, since what you said doesn't make any sense. /RD_header is what's transcluded onto WP:RD and used to contain the entire iconic header, so all you'd have to do is revert that single page. All I changed was that page, and I changed it to a double-transclusion to the main header. As for the trickery in finding an independent copy of the header, that was due to technical limitations that my latest code changes have relieved- I'll make it so the header is directly visible at WP:RD/HEAD --ffroth 04:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Wait a minute. Are we in the maze of twisty little passages all different, or the maze of twisty little passages all alike? I think I'm completely lost without my issue of Spelunker Today. -- (plugh) 04:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
"All alike", although they're not exactly alike- that's one of the puzzles --ffroth 15:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re: expressions[edit]

lol, you mean like light current's slimey faces? OK I'll give it a shot

O_O freaked out
o_o glazed over stare
>_> <_< glancing around paranoid-ly
>_< d'oh!
>_> kind of annoyed like "why am I even talking to you, I'm going to look over there now" but not so personal cause it's just a emot
^_^ very happy
^_~ gay wink
-_- *sigh*
>.> this one's pretty complex, I might use it after being sarcastic or after imitating someone annoying to indicate that my voice is back.. it's mostly like a signifier like after someone rushes into a group and starts talking 1000 miles per second and then they realize everyone's staring at them like "what is your problem.." and then they clear their throat awkwardly and glance to the side. That's this, but since it's on the internet it can be used sarcastically
ô_o raised eyebrow
ō_ō even more of the glazed over stare
ó_ò resigned
ò_ó sarcastic anger.. like "REEEEEEEE" in I hate yuo myg0t 2

--ffroth 15:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Oops forgot @_@ confused or just made an egregious spelling error correction --ffroth 21:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


Yeah that's me, I just forgot to sign in. What is and RD? Thanks, --DatDoo (talk) 03:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, especially in light of User:Saudade7's comment about ..."Heilige Schauer" or "Holy Shiver". I wonder if we already have a page on it...Nope - so it is free for you to build/write! Immanuel Kant, Johann Gottfried Herder, Friedrich Schiller, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Wilhelm von Humboldt, even Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel all wrote things..." unfortunately he thinks that much of the info on it might be in German. I have been surprised at how little info I can uncover about cold chills from music and what not though. --DatDoo (talk) 03:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess it somewhat depends on the physical effect. Goosebumps is more like a raising of hair on the skin and cold chills is more an actual shiver perhaps. I teach guitar and today was teaching some students Layla and Sunshine of your love. Unfortunately this is not typically accompanied by cold chills. I think it is a strange phenomenon that music can do that. As Kurt Vonnegut said "music is, to me, proof of the existence of God". I also find it odd that there isn't more information explaining this from a physiological standpoint. --DatDoo (talk) 06:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Cockapoo question[edit]

Hello Heidi and Joe. I'm not familiar AT ALL with wikipedia and actually just had a question for you both. A coworker saw a picture of your 12 wk old puppy on the cuckapoo page and was wondering if you were breeders and/or if she was for sale. Please let me know by answering on your page. I will check it frequently for the next month. Today is January 4, 2008. Thank you SO much for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The Cockapoo puppy picture in the Cockapoo article was taken about four weeks after we adopted Rocky. The article at that time had no image of a young Cockapoo and so we added our own. And no, we are not breeders but we sure feel like parents so of course he's not for sale!
As you can see, I've relocated your question to its proper place on this page and added a section header. Let us know if you would like any further information about editing on Wikipedia and we'll be glad to help.  ;-) hydnjo talk 03:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you sooo much for your very fast response!! Rocky is such a cutie! Since you are not breeders, do you mind telling us which breeders you got him from? We absolutely fell in love with him when we saw the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Please create an account using the link in the upper right corner. Then, when you return to this page you will find a link, "E-mail this user", in the left margin. This will allow us to communicate privately about subjects beyond what we're comfortable discussing here. Another advantage to having an account is that you will be able to be more anonymous than you now are - for example, I now know who your computer belongs to and where you are located :-( oops! When you log into your account (name and password of your choice) your IP address will be hidden whenever you post a message :-) hydnjo talk 00:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

modified pic[edit]

Jan. 14, 2008 From: maurajbo Hello Hydnjo. I modified your cockapoo image slightly to take away the glare it its eyes and to brighten the picture a bit. I hope that's OK. If not, feel free to revert to the old image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurajbo (talkcontribs) 23:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Response at User talk:Maurajbo#Image improvement. hydnjo talk 02:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Frivolous thread[edit]

Excuse the break from serious discussion. :) Sometimes the serious discussion gets overwhelming. David D. (Talk) 08:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that for sure. A thread that long needs some digression or it will be ignored (slowing down to see a traffic accident after all). Keep up your good humor. I don't think that I need to ask you to interject as your sense of humor it is always there! Anyway, thanks for bringing it up here, I truly appreciate your considerate manner and do think that we're on the same page about lots of goings on around here without actuall discussion. On the other hand, It's sure nice to hear personally from you as it reinforces my belief that I'm not alone (I knew that but it's good to hear from another) or did I already say that.? hydnjo talk 08:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The ojndyh klat troll[edit]

Did you notice that the ojndyh klat troll is back? ;) David D. (Talk) 04:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah! I'm sure that it's some sock trying disguise the identity of the author of some really stupid/silly but succinct posting with which he/she doesn't wish to associated. The sock seems to have found a way to confound his/hers identity to all but the most astute and clever detectives there Mr. D  ;-) --hydnjo talk 04:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, if he/she had a shread of cleverness she/he would have chosen klat ojndyh as its sock's name. The name chosen shows ineptitude and a lack of coherent thinking. --hydnjo talk 06:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought that was part of the shrewd plan to throw everyone off the trail! David D. (Talk) 06:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Nah! --hydnjo talk 06:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


That's amusing, thank you for letting me know! Most of my posts so far have been to the ref desk so I haven't felt the need to provide much in terms of edit summaries unless I am doing something untoward. ;-) --Captain Ref Desk (talk) 16:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ref desk[edit]

Hey, sorry if I seemed sort of short with you there. I did not mean to be rude or brusque. FusionMix 23:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome :) FusionMix 00:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Update on the "flaming drink" question[edit]

I just thought I'd tell you (Franamax, StuRat, hydnjo, Atlant) how the flaming drink thing went. Well, mixed results. It's all made, but sometimes it works and some times it does not. What makes it extra odd, is that it works 100% of the time for me, but only about 50% for the girl that has to do it. So far, three shows with an audience and it only lit once. UGHH!!!

What I did: I made a fire place poker out of mostly thin PVC pipe. In the handle is a gas grill starter with wires going inside the pipe. Franamax - You mentioned the handle idea and I had already thought of that, but I didn't want to steer people towards what I was already thinking. I guess it's just a case of great minds thinking alike. ;-)

All of it is painted with "Hammered" spray paint made for outside plastic furniture. Here's a shot of it close up without the flame. That's me on the couch. In the sort of V shaped tip is the igniter at the tip and the other wire coming at an angle. My invention sparks 99% of the time.

In the coffee mug is a metal jigger that I raised to the level of the top of the mug with a piece of PVC pipe. That was a mistake. I made the level of the jigger come to the level of the top of the cup so that the most amount of the flame would be visible. It should be raised, but not all the way to the top. I have to pretend to drink from this cup and the jigger (which gets scolding hot) is hard to NOT touch if the jigger is too high.

I scuffed up the inside of the mug and the other side of the jigger to get the glue to stick to it. The fact that the jigger is metal does not appear to have any effect on the spark.

In the jigger was originally only about 1/16 of an inch of "Golden Grain" booze - 95% alcohol. At my house, it ignited every time. But, not for Cheryl. I later thought about it was having it on my kitchen counter. That's higher up so I was holding the poker at more of an angle on the mug rather than straight down. So, we changed the jigger to about an half inch on alcohol. Soon before going on stage with it, she moves some of it on the side of the jigger for even more surface area.

When we do get a flame the poker flames a little as well and she blows it out. That actually looks great. The idea of adding salt is awesome - Thanks Atlant. However, I had no luck dissolving salt in the alcohol. I warmed up some alcohol with having hot water all around it in a thin glass and stirred a lot of salt in it. I then let it settle some and used a syringe with a wide tip to suck up some of the alcohol from the middle thinking I'd get the best alcohol with dissolved salt that I could. It did not appear to make any difference in the color of the flame or the ability to light it. However, we put salt in a sugar bowl. Once lit, putting a pinch of "sugar" in the flaming drink was an awesome effect.

I also tried freezing some of the booze so that the 5% that was not alcohol would be solid and use the 100% alcohol that was left - after it warmed back up and it made no difference. In fact, whatever the 5% that wasn't alcohol, appeared to be unfreezable as well.

Thanks again for all of your ideas. If you want to see more about the show, visit --Wonderley (talk) 09:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


Burma-Shave v. Myanmar-Shave. :) Wannabe Wiki (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by at our place. Your user page reminded me of this quote: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" by Philip K. Dick. I hope that I got it right anyway, you know what I mean. ;-) --hydnjo talk 20:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Huh? :)Wannabe Wiki (talk) 08:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I dunno! I figured that you'd figure it out and explain it to me ;-) hydnjo talk 10:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

lol, by the way who am I talking to Heidi or Joe.Wannabe Wiki (talk) 10:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm Joe :) --hydnjo talk 20:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joe. Wannabe Wiki (talk) 08:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

MH references[edit]

Hi (D and Joe) - Do you happen to be close enough to a library that might have microfilm of some newspaper that has the original Parade columns to be able to get copies? Turns out the Denver papers don't carry Parade, and these have been ridiculously difficult to find. I assume the 9/9/90, 12/2/90, 2/17/91, and 7/7/91 columns are reprinted verbatim in vos Savant's book (which I have), but I'd prefer to reference the original Parade columns. While traveling recently I obtained a copy of the 9/9/90 column, but didn't think to get the others while I was there (close enough to Knoxville, TN that the local university library had microfilm of the Knoxville News Sentinel - which has carried Parade since 1990!). Parade is apparently carried by the LA Times, Chicago Trib, NY Post, Washington Post, Philly Inquirer (see [1]) - seemingly none of which I can access out here in the Rocky Mountain boonies. I think these are all important references to add to the article (for example, in the 12/2/90 column she suggestrd simulating with cards and in the 2/17/91 columns she suggests a nationwide simulation using paper cups and pennies and reports the results in the 7/7/91 column), but since I haven't actually seen them can't legitimately add them. I can certainly reference the book but would prefer to reference the columns, perhaps with a "Reprinted in ..." sort of annotation. Any chance you can help with this? -- Rick Block (talk) 04:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Our town library has access to the entire NH state collection and we also have a research librarian who loves a challenge. So, I'll see what we can do from here and, thanks for asking. --hydnjo talk 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Re MH references[edit]

Hey Rick - Our reference librarian(s) weren't able to find any Parade pages at all in the entire NH state library archive collection! Explanation is that newspaper "supplements" just don't get archived. They also noted that the Parade online archives only date back to October '03 and thus most likely those columns from '90 and '91 haven't been microfilmed by the Parade publishers. Also volunteered that the publisher may have hard copies but stressed that it may be "hard" to get cooperation from them without a subpoena :) I imagine that you've seen this assignment for Week 9: I: Vos Savant, “Ask Marilyn” Parade magazine columns from 9/9/90, 12/2/90, 2/17/91, and 7/7/91 which makes me wonder if the readings are still available at the University Bookstore? --hydnjo talk 20:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, according to this link, those Parade columns were still required last (Fall 2007 Syllabus, Week 10) --hydnjo talk 20:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I wonder if the Prof has copies? --hydnjo talk 22:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ridiculous, eh? Based on this edit, maybe Billjefferys has copies. I'll ask him. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of IPhone (EDGE)[edit]

Discussion can be found at User talk:Hydnjo/Archive15. --hydnjo talk 18:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

A bit late, but...[edit]

Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Man's Barnstar
For spending six and a half hours making User:Hydnjo/RD regulars look prettier. Algebraist 01:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Well thank you - very much appreciated especially coming from someone with your rep at RD-town. Oh, and as for the time consumed, I should mention that I type telekinetically ;-) Now get hoppin' on that long overdue thing of yours! hydnjo talk 14:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Do I have a rep at RD? I hadn't noticed. My userpage'll come into existence when I think of something useful to put there. It'll probably describe my DPhil work once I work out what that's on. Algebraist 16:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Your RD rep isn't something you can see, it's something that we all imagine about you. I didn't mean to put pressure on you, I was just kidding around :-) hydnjo talk 20:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Hydnjo/RD regulars[edit]

I'm feeling something mischievous tonight, and also a compulsion, to add a certain RD regular. The difference between troll and jester can be so slight ... currently I don't know what to do. Should I perhaps go to bed? ---Sluzzelin talk 00:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The list[edit]

Don't even worry about it, I definitely hand't taken the omission personally. You shouldn't feel expected to keep track of everyone who frequents the RD on your own. Honestly though, I did get kinda lucky: that was probably my first visit to the talk page. I'd suggest maybe reposting the link to the talk page in a month or so to pick up stragglers. And thanks for the kind words. --Shaggorama (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Hydnjo/RD regulars again[edit]

OK, maybe alcohol is depressing my injoke-comprehension circuits, but I can't fathom this edit summary at all. Care to explain? Algebraist 01:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

OK then, how about this. As my edit summary states, Sinebot's edits bot were not the result of verified "other" sources but were indeed the result of an "original research" capability built into the bot. As such, I deleteted it's gentle reminder on those grounds as well as the premise of this page (which I agree has not yet been precisely defined). :-) -hydnjo talk 01:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
You realise that line was added and moved by Fribbler, right? Algebraist 01:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope - there I go again! Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydnjo (talk)
(e/c) Nope - there I go again! Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydnjo (talk) Preceding unsigned signing added by Hydnjo (talk) Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydnjo (talk)...
I've been drinking for the last four and a half hours; what's your excuse? :-) Algebraist 01:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I did it quicker? ;-) -hydnjo talk 01:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, now my brain hurts. Time for the 'wake up when it makes sense' trick, methinks. Algebraist 01:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
k for now then - methinks the same. -hydnjo talk 01:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser for Light Current[edit]

(Regarding Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Light current)

You placed it in a commented-out set of instructions. DMacks (talk) 12:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it. Algebraist 15:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Yikes, that was stupid of me.
Umm - If you (hydnjo) are adding a new request for this user please add it above this notice at the top of the page.
Duh! - Algebraist, thanks for the fixin' :-)
DMacks: and with all due respect, it's Light current. hydnjo talk 01:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


What's that spoze-ta mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

A failure to AGF.  :( -hydnjo talk 15:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


It appears that my doppleganger has left the building...if your observation was inaccurate as to the past, sadly it looks like it'll always be true in the future :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sadly indeed. I used one of his expression emotes ( ô_o ) in tribute. -hydnjo talk 00:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and sorry about the bad evening your having :( -hydnjo talk 01:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Slight current flight[edit]

Yeah, he told me and then reverted himself - probably noticed me reverting the AT whenever I could. I lol'd at that :) Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


...for the info and support at the Ref Desk talk page. - EronTalk 03:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Au contraire, it was you who did most of the supporting for which I'm quite grateful. Thank you.  :) --hydnjo talk 04:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

From the owl[edit]

May I ask which of my many instances of terseness to the point of bloody-minded obscurity that was about? Algebraist 00:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. --hydnjo talk 00:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Good. And btw, congratulations on your 10000th (undeleted) edit! I'm honoured that it should have been directed to my good self. Yes, I do have too much time on my hands. But why do you ask? Algebraist 00:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Your "wall of recognition" seemed to slight one of your talents: cutting through the crap and dealing with the matter at hand. --hydnjo talk 00:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
You had me running through my contribs looking for what sparked it, if that was your fiendish plan. Algebraist 00:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
No, not at all. Just a general impression over time that got me thinking - no trigger - sorry about the runnin' about, didn't mean for that to happen. Sometimes, I look about and express an opinion. You just happened to catch my attention on this auspicious occasion. --hydnjo talk 00:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
But running about is fun! And profitful: for example, I just found my way to your awards page, and discovered that some terrible person had deleted one of them. Algebraist 00:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

What happened?[edit]

Hi Hydnjo, I went to Froth's page and maybe there are other reasons why morale/users seemed to have dropped from the Refdesks. Being in the southern hemisphere (and having a month's worth of mac trouble) recently I feel I missed something. Not that there's anything I can do, but some regulars seem to be taking wikibreaks or busying themselves in articles (or blanking user pages etc :\ ) (not that there's anything the matter with that) but I was wondering if this is a kind of closing down/off and if it is, what happened? Email if nec, Julia Rossi (talk) 23:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Julia. Nah, nothing dramatic (hot-link to is disallowed by WP so copy/paste), just taking a break of sorts but still patrolling the RDs occasionally. I'll (or we'll) be back in full editing mode at some point and no, we're not trying to make a point as Froth unfortunately for the project has done.
Our userpage blanking was just intended to reflect our current state of ambivalence unlike Froth's disassociation statement. How uplifting that someone noticed and commented :) You made our day!
Sorry to hear about your mac problems, do ya think we ought to back-up? Just looking for some encouragement from a fellow procrastinator ;0
So, summertime (click only if you have broadband) is coming right along for you and what a wonderful season it is! -hydnjo talk 06:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Relieved to have your reassuring comments and attitude – and song bouquet. The 2-y-o G4 powerbook mac was scuppered when wiki edit dropdown box upgrade Safari and didn't recover with updates so went underground to find rare (in these parts) mac techie. Now have one, feel (almost) bulletproof. Mozilla Firefox even lets me "find" in the edit panel and now have potential niche in mass copy editing. *wide grin, fingers entwined n feet flapping, floating above tabletop, humming summertime* Don't go too far away me hearties. Look forward to more of your spark, Julia Rossi (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It's black coffee! how cool! :) Julia Rossi (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


... and it looks like froth is back too. :-) ---Sluzzelin talk 14:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. In Frothism ^_^ -hydnjo talk 16:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
...OK - I give up. What's with "Leave the gun, take the cannoli"? hydnjo talk 02:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
...Never give up. I just always hear him when dealing with you, and cannoli are delicious and paradox. Clemenza was a stronz though. You win. I lose. ---Sluzzelin talk 04:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Maybe editing-while-the-phone-is-likely-to-disrupt-your-wikipeace should be added to WP:EUI. Nothing like getting a message on your talk page addressed to someone else :(. Anyway, 171 and counting. 29 to add during the next month (less than one name a day!) in order to reach Zain's goal. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Nimur err, Kjoonlee err Sluzzelin! No goal for me, some noms (and self-noms) are iffy but we're not fussy, just don't want add names to reach a number. As I've said, all are welcomed who in their own or someone else's mind feel at home. Oh, and that seems a bit obscure for EUI but go ahead - its in WP space and there's lots of "other" stuff there now :) -hydnjo talk 18:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I hope none of my additions were too iffy, though I admit I abused the list to welcome one newbie who hasn't edited since. I've also added a couple of oldies who haven't contributed to the desks in quite a while, the ones who stuck in my subjective mind I guess. Anyway, I won't cheat to achieve 200 :) A propos subjectivity of inclusions, more people might spot more gaps, and I've considered advertising the list by perma-linking it to one of the "official" pages, such as WT:RD. But I'm not sure. Thoughts? ---Sluzzelin talk 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Nah, your additions have been fine. About perma-linking, I prefer not to have a blatant advert or a "special" list appearance. Folks will find it through invitation or whatever poking around they do but I don't feel comfortable about announcing it as a perpetual billboard. I am concerned however about overlooking any obvious regulars and remain flexible (as usual). What subtle exposure did you have in mind? -hydnjo talk 00:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
(whew). I dunno, I had another little box at WT:RD in mind, but yeah, I basically share your concerns. If and when we reach another round sum (200, say;), we could drop a short notice at WT:RD, inviting people to look for missing editors, maybe even promising a prize! ---Sluzzelin talk 19:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

"Calvin and Hobbes"-style snowman Sneeuwpoppen.jpg Snowman in front of Akureyri Junior College.jpeg Snowmen-familly.jpg Snow sculpture in DeKalb County.jpg 30px Snowmancz.jpg Snowman in Norway.JPG Snemand-tegning.jpg Waldschneemann.jpg Big Snowman.jpg Schneemann mit schneekaktus.jpeg Snowman variant: a snowrabbit SnowMan.jpg Yukidaruma.jpg Vinter i danmark.jpg Canadian snowman.jpg

"FA lalalalala la la laaaa" from a melting choir of snowdeskians (Can you figure out who is who, including the snowbunny and the proud cactus-owner next to it?)

Sluz, you, you you're unbelievable! It's Christmas eve and the merriment has begun. Your challenge is intriguing to say the least but I'm way too merry to be as clever as yourself with those images. I certainly hope that I'll figure some of them out eventually but not tonight.
Heidi and I wish you and those that you love the happiest Christmas ever!




 :) Happy Holidays, love, and only the best to you, dear H&J! ---Sluzzelin talk 14:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Awww, how sharp your machete! I guess my mistake was to add him under "Real people". user:Calvin's father should be listed under "Spirits", along with user:The Swamp Grump, user:Miss Manners, user:Till Eulenspiegel, and all the other RD-ghosts who possess our avatars from time to time. Thank the gods if you happen to be spared. I feel them punching and tugging simultaneously, trying to get their posts in that thread! ---Sluzzelin talk 00:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

RD regulars[edit]

I've made this edit :) -hydnjo talk 03:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, and for including me in the list! Much appreciated! --NorwegianBlue talk 20:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! I have no idea how you managed to remain off-list so long except to think that we all assumed you were there. -hydnjo talk 15:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


Help desk post removal basis[edit]

I have absolutely no problem with your removal of this material. Pointless to keep it on the help desk; just a blocked troll. Just thought you should know that the user isn't banned, he/she is blocked There are some differences between the two and the banning policy you cited isn't at play. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course, my bad for being sloppy about that :( Since I don't know much about this user's (mis)behavior I'll leave to others to deal with the deletion issue. Thanks for the reminder :) hydnjo talk 22:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Questions re. reverting edits[edit]

Hi, Lisa4edit here. (Yes, I could log on, but then "the powers who watch" could track how much time I spend on wikipedia. Not a desirable aspect.) Sorry for bothering you, but I'd like a second opinion. I sort of started off the Hip dysplasia (human) page. After I had a lot of trouble finding other contributors there has recently been more activity there. People fail to leave any indications on the talk page as to why they edit, though. Unfortunately some of the edits have messed things up. E.g. someone edited the links and changed a link for Native Americans to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. The way I see the first link it's the accepted term used instead of "American Indian" (I find "Indian" offensive and was quite happy when there was a movement to get rid of it.) There is unfortunately some controversy involving this term. The problem is that the new link includes peoples like Inuit and indigenous Americans of South America, which are not included in the original meaning. I have no data on the occurrence of Hip dysplasia in Inuit or South American native populations. I don't want to be possessive, but if the meaning gets changed to unverifiable meanings I feel it's better to change the link back. Someone people didn't understand the meaning of some sentences. The changes they made changed the meaning. I could "dumb down" the text a bit when reverting that. The subject matter isn't easy to get into readable phrases anyway, and if we split it all into short and simple sentences, I'm afraid it will lose a lot of readability for more proficient readers. I have tried to find out what the person who left the broom would like to have changed, but haven't heard anything back. Would you maybe know what he wants and how to get this "blemish" removed? I would greatly appreciate your help in this matter. Thks. Lisa4edit (talk) 08:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

(Butting in, hopefully helpfully) - the user who added the cleanup tag hasn't edited since 12/24. I'd give him/her some more time to respond to this note. If he/she doesn't respond in another week or so, feel free to remove the tag (you might mention it on the article's talk page). -- Rick Block (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Rick, your butting in is always welcomed and helpful. And Lisa, it's a good idea to edit any given article with a single signature (please do try). Anyone coming along and reviewing this edit history is apt to be confused regarding the authorship of edits seemingly made by two rather than a single editor. Also, it appears that you've dealt with the "Native" vs "Indigenous" edit to your satisfaction and your edit summary gives support to your decision should some editor raise a challenge. That is the proper way to deal with those kinds of unsupported edits by others. hydnjo talk 04:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. I don't want to be an ass an revert people's efforts if they have a point. I'll try to get better with the signing in. (No promises, I'm rather scatterbrained to begin with and am running a wonderful software that helps keeping time-sheets by tracking password protected log-ins, unfortunately it's not very sophisticated and records any log-in activity.) BTW. You might want to add "Road tanker" to your Tank truck page. I used to work on a project for a shipping agent in Europe. That was the expression they used. (google also found it) Maybe we should add some description of the parts. When I can find some time I'll see if I still have some diagrams. There's a difference between transporting liquefied loads. (e.g. petroleum jelly) that have to be kept heated to stay liquid and liquids (e.g. canola oil, beer) that don't require heating en route. You might want to edit that. (Loved the wiki cream.) Lisa4edit (talk) 07:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Ref desk word problem question[edit]

Lest you think me an idiot, let it be known that I avoided saying that since it didn't seem useful to give so much away when the questioner obviously still didn't have the faintest idea what they were talking about. Algebraist 03:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course not! I felt that the OP's grasp of the problem was just fine and he made an understandable error of notation in that 3rd term. I take no pleasure in redirecting your tutorial path but I feel that the OP had transcended the 3 variable notation (in his mind) and had gone forward to his original equation (with that notation error). I also wanted to dispel his concern that word problems were his Kyptonite (sic), and give credit to his general approach. hydnjo talk 04:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello again[edit]

I failed to give up wikipedia - used to frequent the ref desks a while ago using various anon IP's such as 88-103 etc. Said I'd left - but here I am again...

Noticed that various railway articles were in need of 'love and attention' so decided to come back. Remember you e-mailing me to ask if it was anything you/ someonelse had done to make me leave (it wasn't) so just though I would pop in and say hello, and wish you a belated happy new year etc

Probably won't be spending much time on the ref desks (at least as long as wiki:trains keep me occupied).

As you can see I've finally found a user name that someone else hasn't already taken. Good luck to you and all the others on the ref desks.Carrolljon (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Re.:Ref Desk comment[edit]

THAT was a legit question, and the link is concerning the Louisiana law regarding people there killing carjackers. I have another source on the Ref Desk Talk page as well. Thought you might want to see it. Cheers Powerzilla (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm NO troll at all. Just found some interesting legislation that should be mentioned. :) Powerzilla (talk) 04:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC) :)

Happy Hydnjo's Day![edit]

Featured article star.svg

Hydnjo has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Hydnjo's day!
For four years of exemplary work on the 'Pedia and the Desks,
enjoy being the Star of the day, Hydnjo!

02:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Sort of self referencing question[edit]

Dear Hydnjo, I have a question: if someone leaves a message in my talk page, where am I supposed to answer? I guess there, given that that person put the page in his/her whatchlist... Is it so? --pma (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Personal preference unless requested to do otherwise by the poster. My preference when I first started out was to do the "back and forth" style and then briefly to post the entire thread on both talk pages. I finally realized that I was out of step with most experienced users and now respond so as to keep the thread coherently on one page. So, if someone leaves a message on your talk page I recommend responding there as I'm doing with this thread on mine. hydnjo talk 13:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Light current[edit]

Crazy as it sounds, I'm seriously considering unblocking Light current (under some very stringent parole conditions, see User talk:GreenSpigot). Since you've been around for a while, feel free to drop me line (on- or off-wiki) if you have any thoughts. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I've responded privately to TOAT so as to minimize any distress caused by my candor. hydnjo talk 03:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Reference Desk talk[edit]

Thanks for taking care of the poll results on WT:RD. (I beat you to the new shortcut this time :-)

The poll obviously didn't turn out as I'd hoped (not the results, but the excessive argument *about the poll* along with everyone assuming I'm trying to push an agenda with a "vote"). I did see several comments from people who are, shall we say, tired of the constant arguments concerning medremoval, and I fully understand that sentiment. I wish there was a simple solution, but we seem to be mired with little hope of compromise. Anyway, the reason I'm here is because my poll ended up creating a lot of work for you, so I figured the least I could do was stop by and say "Thanks!" – 74  06:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome my gracious colleague! I wonder who else noticed my OCD with shortcuts ;-) -Hydnjo (talk) 07:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this edit: I originally "leapfrogged" you to make it clear that my response was to SteveBaker and not to you. (Just to be clear, I'm only explaining my reason, not asking you to reconsider.) And, in response to your quasi-question, though I occasionally edited from other IPs before, I've only recently been "drawn in" by the reference desk, resulting in (too?) much time spent at Wikipedia. – 74  00:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I understood why you made that edit and I was OK with it but then when I looked in today and found that Steve and Stu had piled in-between and my post was at the bottom of the stack (perhaps where it should be) I decided to be bold and return the post to it's (almost) rightful place. The edit summary was my attempt to keep it light and humorous. In retrospect and at a minimum, my comment directed at you, doesn't belong in the middle of the thread but at the bottom (if at all) - I'll rv myself.
With regard to the wording, well I've been meaning to ask and the opportunity just popped-up! Your prolific and broad edit history, your keen understanding of the WP-way and your overall demeanor betray any thought of your being a newcomer - you're just too good for that to be true. I respect your privacy and won't comment further but I just hadda' know ya know :-) -hydnjo (talk) 02:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
FWIW, I found your edit summary humorous and your original post very much appreciated.   :-)   – 74  03:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It's worth a great deal knowing that, I'm glad someone around here understands me! -hydnjo (talk) 03:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Cryptic Message[edit]

Are you feeling particularly cryptic today?   ;-)   I appreciate the message, but I expect it won't last. I'd be willing to entertain a bet on how long it'll remain true (and I'm being deliberately circumspect to avoid contaminating the results—no one is likely to go browsing through my history for the details). Care to take a guess? – 74  19:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

You have new messages (last change) and counting. hydnjo (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh I forgot, my guess is 끓 깃 (plus or minus갛) but not sooner than now. -izeokp (talk) 19:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
And, cryptic is as cryptic has just done fnbjm djqifs -hydnjo (talk) 04:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Watch morning framegrab scam-joined. Luma fifth-man zero? Concerning-excavated Maine monkeyfist brace demur 238 pair first vault-murder. – septetfront  02:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
What then - was SR1 a bit too juliusianistic? -hydnjo (talk) 04:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:RD medical advice thread[edit]

Just so you know, this edit ended up altering part of mine and SteveBakers. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 11:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

My comment was altered as well. It is curious that "uncontenciously" appears three times in three other people's comments, but not once in your own. I'm guessing you forgot to change them all to "unceremoniously".   ;-)   – 74  15:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. "Uncontenciously" isn't part of my vocabulary (too big a word) but I can do "unceremoniously" which was contained in my last edit to that thread. This diff wasn't mine but the edit edit history certainly makes it seem so. How is that possible? -hydnjo (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The signed comment was added by you, right? I have heard that some oversight functions can mis-attribute text added by intervening "hidden" edits to the person with the misfortune to comment previously/next. Perhaps the page was vandalized and oversighted, but the "uncontenciously"s weren't removed? Presumably an oversight user would be able to confirm that hypothesis. – 74  17:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This (the signed) edit was made by me but this edit, although it appears to have been done by me, was not . It's not that big a deal unless someone has hi-jacked - worth persuing? -hydnjo (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Umm... so you didn't add this comment:

But for this tread this entire matter would have ended unceremoniously. The template devoid of any relevant links seems redundant at best and WP:POINT at least. The question had appropriate responses and if the OP were to return he would be further enlightened how exactly? -hydnjo (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

If that wasn't you then it would appear that someone has compromised your account. If only the "uncontenciously"s are unclaimed then it is most likely just a side-effect of oversight (though asking an oversight user just to be sure wouldn't be a bad idea). – 74  18:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I haven't been clear. In this edit signed by me I did indeed add the "But for this tread ... hydnjo (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)". I did not however add the "uncontenciousl2009" nor the two "uncontenciously"s which appear in that same diff. Sorry for any confusion that I created with my previous response. Thanks again for your concern in all of this. -hydnjo (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe you must have done, just unconsciously ;) Sometimes when you're typing the text cursor can accidentally move to other areas and you try and type a word but it doesn't appear. You get confused and try different things and retype it, but it still doesn't appear. Thing is, it does appear, just elsewhere in the text box which is what most likely happened here. No big deal, easy to fix. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'll address that with my wandering cursor but more problematical is my spellchecker letting "uncontenCiously" slip by - three times! I'll learn 'em  :-) -hydnjo (talk) 18:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Now you're weighing in on Talk:Susan Boyle too! :) I know I owe you an email, by the way! - Brian Kendig (talk) 20:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan Boyle. And yeah, I was sincerely hoping that if I'd made it through your spam filter that you hadn't died or anything! -hydnjo (talk) 20:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow - I just now realize the coincidence. I had typed out my "keep" comments on TextEdit prior to your post and then got interrupted. When I returned I just edited without refreshing the page and well... you know the rest - serendipity (or Him telling you to do your email)! -hydnjo (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

In accord with the ancient law of the RefDesk[edit]

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.
Algebraist 01:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
OUCH! -hydnjo (talk) 11:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks For the Suggestion, But...[edit]

Thanks for the suggestion for key labeling on the picture in Piano key frequencies, but I don't think it would be that necessary because the octave are labeled, along with Mid-C and A440, and, based on those three points, most people should be able to discern the other keys. --Cyndaquazy 22:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


He turned up today, if you're still curious. →Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots← 16:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I am indeed and thanks, now if I could only figure it out. If it's in archive 013 I think I'm on to it but if not :( please email a hint :) hydnjo (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
This: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pioneercourthouse. Read through the archives if you're sufficiently bored. :) →Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots← 02:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Fort Hood Shooting Discussion Page[edit]

I just wanted to praise you for your graceful mea culpa on that page. I know that sometimes my own mouth outruns my brain, and I appreciate my friends when they call me on it. In my more mature moments I even appreciate it at the time that they do it! ;) Good on you, sir; you've earned your "mensch" points for the day :) (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Well thank you - again :) hydnjo (talk) 19:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps...[edit] meant genteel here?  Frank  |  talk  04:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed - thank you. I'll backtrack and fix as best I can... :( hydnjo (talk) 04:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
...and how stupid of me - now fixed. Thanks for being so ... well ... frank! I owe ya you... hydnjo (talk) 05:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you…[edit]

…very much for your kind words on both my talk page as well as the RfB discussion talk page. Speaking personally, getting the feedback that the work we do is appreciated by the community is the best reward—well a check for a million or two US dollars would be nice too, don't get me wrong… :) -- Avi (talk) 04:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It's been a pleasure to witness (and voice my 2¢ in) the very best of WP's back office. This could have gotten ugly but for the wisdom and clearheadedness of many beginning with you. Thank you :) hydnjo (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Dear Hydnjo, how are you doing! I've invented this:

pma (talk)

(so clicking on the a, people will link with my corrige page). But, to make it work, I'd like to have it automatically with the four tildas. Is that possible? Thank you very much, and best wishes! P.

Yes, you can do that by entering that code into the signature box in your preferences and remember to enter "save". The signature will be displayed with ~~~~ (four tildes). Let me know if that works out. hydnjo (talk) 14:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you... I tried I made some other experiments in the meanwhile, but in fact it seems hard putting links within the signature (in fact, the preference page has some warning about it) . What do you think? Maybe it's not possible.... --pma (talk) 09:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
According to this, links are permissible as part of your signature but be sure to check the "Sign my name exactly as shown" box. What happens when you load [[User:PMajer|pm]][[User:PMajer/corrige|<span style="color:red;">a</span>]] ([[User talk:PMajer|talk]]) into the signature window and check the box? hydnjo (talk) 01:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

hahaha! it works, thanks you a lot, I hadn't that box checked, of course! --pma (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]