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A user keep removing Alternative script[edit]

You can see him use a reason that the Chinese and Tamil is not using in Pahang, but actually others Malaysia state do alternative script in infobox.Maybe you have a good guideline to oppose that vandalisme like what you did before. hope you can helping this, Thank You. angys (Talk Talk) 10:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: There is no specific guideline that would forbid the use of Chinese and Tamil in the infobox, and whether to add these in the infobox is just a matter of preference. You are entitled to use local/native names, see for example Template:Infobox settlement, WP:INFOBOXGEO, WP:PLACE. You can add the local transliteration of the name, there is nothing to stop you doing that, saying that they are not official languages is irrelevant. Hzh (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, but how can I recover the script because somebody has do edit after that, can you help it to recover the alternative script, Thank you. And that user said Pahang is a sultanate, can use WP:NPOV to report him in WP:VIP? My explanation is not good and I am not confidence to participate a edit war with him. angys (Talk Talk) 14:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@*angys*: There are various ways of doing it. If you want to partially undo an edit without reverting the whole edit, click on an old edit, e.g. [1], then click edit, copy the part you want to undo (don't save at this stage), then go back to the current article, click edit, and paste and save the edit (this method is useful when there are intervening edits and it is no longer possible to revert, so you don't disturb other people's edit this way).
As for the question of whether there is currently a Sultanate of Pahang, I have no idea what the status is. If pushed, I would say that my opinion is no, as the state is not actually ruled by a sultan, the sultan is (perhaps) only a titular head with no true power, but that is just my opinion. It is a tricky area, I remember an argument between the Sultan of Johor and the Malaysian government on something similar (the extent of the power). It is best to base your argument on official position rather one person's opinion, because to argue that someone else is pushing a POV, you have to show that the person actually is doing so against commonly or officially accepted opinion. Do not use WP:VIP for content dispute (they will simply ignore your complaint when you file your complaint there). Hzh (talk) 14:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Thinking further about it, a sultanate may refer to the office of the Sultan, so as long as there is a Sultan, there will be a sultanate. However, I wouldn't argue anything on this based on personal opinion, but from actual official position. Looking into the history during the Malayan independence, it would seem that the sultans do still have certain powers, even if they are only considered constitutional head of their respective state. Hzh (talk) 15:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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For all the work you've done on Tottenham Hotspur F.C. And their other pages. Govvy (talk) 23:56, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy: That is very kind of you, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure editing Spurs related articles, and I should thank you for your work on the article as well. Cheers. Hzh (talk) 00:09, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, sorry about that. But maybe you can leave some tips or suggestion in the article talkpage so any interested editors can fix the problem because an article with good status should not have any maintenance tag that stay too longer. Molecule Extraction (talk) 10:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Molecule Extraction: The person who split off the section leaving an unsatisfactory summary appears to have ignored it (I would say his behaviour is hit and run). There is for example no mention of the religious affiliations and little on the ethnic composition and languages of the state which are quite distinct from the rest of Malaysia, and it therefore became uninformative, and should no longer be considered a good article. I would probably have to do it myself when I can get round to it. Hzh (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
@Hzh: I do think like that too. But no worries, I will try to make some expansion in the section as soon as possible. Molecule Extraction (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Lubu people[edit]

You've labelled a number of revisions for revdel but nowhere does it say what the material is a copyvio of. You need to specify a source so we can be sure that revdel is appropriate. You can add the source into {{Copyvio-revdel}} using the |url= parameter. Thanks. Nthep (talk) 19:32, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

  • @Nthep:Sorry about that, the url parameter wasn't given in the link I used. It's now been added. Hzh (talk) 20:17, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Nthep (talk) 20:43, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

John Sing Tang[edit]

Hi Hzh, How are doing. I checked it as part of a WP:COIN drive, and it is eminently notable. The notability tag is only there if there is some doubt that the article is notable. It is merely an indication of notabily. Not that the fact it has a lack of references. It does have more than 2 pages of reference of Google Books and several others on various sources, so it can be removed, which is the correct logic for the notability tag. Nothing else. You replacing the tag has merely added extra work onto the next person to come along. Cheers scope_creep (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Nearly all the sources appear to be short mentions that don't confer notability per WP:CREATIVE. At the moment there is only one obituary and one article on one of his buildings. As far as I can determine, he is a minor regional architect, the only claim to fame might be as an exemplar of Googie architecture, but that source has been removed, and I'm not really sure him being the first Chinese American architect in Arizona is enough to qualify him for notability. I'll have look round and see what else I can find, otherwise he is very marginal as far as notability is concerned. Hzh (talk) 17:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Hzh, Yip, Yip, I don't know either, it slim, although if I think if it went to Afd I'd vote for keeping, primarily due to the need for diversity of article for a particular subject. They tend to be serious practical people, and I can't see him having a seven year career. It is possible, more likely probable that he worked for Del E. Webb Construction Company at some point, meaning that he did designed more than the few buildings listed in the article. It needs somebody with access to to come in, (I don't have it) and provide some strong evidence. I see what you mean with the Googie architecture. I never knew the name of it before, but I always thought it was deeply cool. scope_creep (talk) 17:49, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Scope creep: I don't see diversity as a valid reason, I have not come across it as in any notability guideline (you can point me the correct guideline if I had missed it). As far as diversity is concerned, the problem as I see it is more that many articles about individuals or things in different cultures get deleted (or nominated for deletion) because of a lack of sources in English, many people simply never bothered to look in non-English sources. As for this article, I will have a look at it another time and try to improve it if I can. The tag is there because it is marginal and it is a request for people to improve it, otherwise it would have been PROD or AfD. Hzh (talk) 00:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Requesting help on article about Chinese folk singer Abao[edit]

Hello, I have recently created a draft about Abao, the Chinese folk singer . I was wondering if you could help add some more references or any other information to this draft article if you happen to be interested in this particular singer. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canton japan (talkcontribs) 09:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@Canton japan: He seems to be notable enough to warrant his own article, and I'll be happy to help. There are however a number of biographical details that needed to be sorted and checked first (there were for example rumours of his death which may not be true), so it might take a while before I start editing it. Hzh (talk) 10:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C.[edit]

I just thought I put it forward to GA, I really have no idea how long it will take, but the PR for Tottenham Hotspur F.C. doesn't seem to be going anywhere! :( Govvy (talk) 11:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: The Tottenham Hotspur F.C. article looks mostly OK to me, a PR may not be necessary, although you can always contact editors who might be interested in the article to review it. However I think the section Social responsibility may need rewriting, and add for example Tottenham's involvement in sponsoring London Academy of Excellence Tottenham. It also needs a section on training grounds (Cheshunt, Chigwell, and Enfield), facilities and other associated buildings and organisations which I will add another time (new articles may also be created). Some of these such as the Tottenham Experience and new shop would not open until later in the year, and I expect there would be a lot of rewriting in the coming months when the new stadium opens. I'm also wondering if the Academy and U-23 article needs to be separated.
As for History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C., I feel it could still do with some improvements, but we'll see how it goes. I'll start with the reorganisation of Northumberland Development Project soon. Hzh (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Very cool, got back from work and found that the article passed GA. Much of the credit goes to you also, cheers. Govvy (talk) 17:36, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy: Just building on work already done by others, including your good self, excellent work. I'll deal with the points raised in the review for Tottenham Hotspur F.C. a bit later. I'll probably rewrite a little bit and delete something (I see no reason why David Baddiel needs mentioning specifically, given that other people including the Prime Minister have commented on it as well). For the time being nothing major will be added, more additions will come another time. Hzh (talk) 23:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Years ago I didn't mind David Baddiel, but after some of his comments against Spurs, I really don't like him anymore. Govvy (talk) 00:10, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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Kane Brown article[edit]

Hello, I just received a message claiming that an unconstructive edit of the Kane Brown Wikipedia article was linked to my IP address. I have not made any edits to that article. Thank you for your time. (talk) 21:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

You either have a new IP address, or you have a dynamic IP, i.e. you get a new IP everything you log on. Someone else have used the IP before. You can usually ignore the message if you have dynamic IP or if it is your new IP address, because it is not intended for you. Hzh (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Pardon the interruption[edit]

Just wanted to say thanks (before I forget) for all the work you're doing to improve Good Epidemiological Practices. It looked like a WP:TNT to me, but if it can be rescued in its present version, that would be great. The Mighty Glen (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@The Mighty Glen: The article as it is do look problematic to me, and may require quite a bit of work to bring it to a reasonable standard. The tobacco section still needs some work to tidy it up - they rely on too much primary sources to construct a narrative, and don't appear to be neutral. I'm not an expert in the issue, someone else who knows more may do better on it, but I'll go through it a bit later. The main problem might be which direction the article should take, but I'll leave that to someone else should they want to rewrite the whole thing. Hzh (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

My amends to Tottenham Hotspurs Football Club page[edit]

Your message: Hello, I'm Hzh. I noticed that you recently removed content from Tottenham Hotspur F.C. without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Hzh (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

My response: The amendments I made did not affect the facts detailed on the page, they simply improved the English grammar, punctuation and syntax of the words, making the article read better. It seemed to have been written by someone for whom English is not their first language, who is still learning how to construct a sentence without repeating themselves. I have been speaking and writing English, my native tongue, for over 50 years. Please restore my changes. Thank you. KinsaleAnnette (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

You removed all the honours, what kind of edit was that? That's why you got reverted. Govvy (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@KinsaleAnnette: I did not actually change your edits on grammar, I simply restored the large chunk of the content you removed in the honours section. If you want to remove a large amount of content, you should explain why first. Hzh (talk) 23:03, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Error in editing[edit]

That was indeed an error I didn’t even realise I'd made. In which case, thank you for restoring the data I deleted. I find the editing environment totally user-unfriendly, very easy to make mistakes. So frustrating! KinsaleAnnette (talk) 23:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@KinsaleAnnette: It is possible to check your edits before saving - if you click on "show changes", it will show what you have done. If you have inadvertently removed content you did not intend to do, that will show up. Also if you look into "view history", you would see clearly a large amount of content had been removed (-2,640 in red). It is easy to make mistake, but also easy to restore. Thank you for your edits, the article needed copy-editing. Hzh (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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thanks for the undo. but we as non admin can not overturn a non admin closure under law. wings blades of gothic did it and lots of flak. Even tonyballoti endorsing it people are angry. so this is the poor state of Wikipedia. it's another wrong snow close btwQuek157 (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Now United[edit]

Hi Hzh. I partially reverted an edit of yours where you removed an advert template without an edit summary. [2] I came expecting to find a typical inexperienced, undeclared paid editor. I hope you have enough editing experience to realize why I'd assume that from your edits. Please use edit summaries. Please don't remove templates without clearly addressing the problems. Please work to avoid looking like an undeclared paid editor by declaring any conflicts of interest you may have and following NOT and POV far more closely. --Ronz (talk) 03:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz: I'm afraid I have no idea what you see as being like written an advert. You should explain that first. Whatever that was left after I edited are not adverts, nor do they violate NOT or POV. They are simple statements. If there are specific issues you want to address (particular sentences, etc.), then do it in the talk page, rather than leaving an unclear tag, or throwing random accusations against other editors. Hzh (talk) 09:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
My apologies. I'm happy to refactor anything I've written above it will help us move forward.
From my perspective, I didn't make any accusations. I was attempting to give my initial impression as a start of a conversation on why I think the article has serious problems and why I think it should be tagged for improvement. I was hoping to make it clear that the lack of edit summaries were very unexpected, if not problematic.
The article screams of undeclared paid editing, but that's just an impression from repeatedly finding poorly sourced, promotional content in it. I'll follow your advise and look closer.
My apologies again. --Ronz (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
@The Gnome: Well, I have made over 70,000 edits over many years on numerous article, if I were paid, I would be rich, which I'm not. In other words, no, not paid a single penny, sadly. I came across the article as a new page reviewer, and I was simply trying fix some of the issues in the article (which I try to do with the articles I reviewed, such as tidying up, finding sources, etc. You can simply examine my edit history). Hzh (talk) 11:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Are you a member of the PAP?[edit]

Just asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what are referring to. If you mean PAP of Singapore, I'm not a Singaporean, so, no. Hzh (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Optical (musician)[edit]

I am the initial author of the current Optical (musician) article. I'm informing you that I will be removing the notability template from the article, and below are the reasons.

His musical partner Ed Rush has had his own Wikipedia entry since 2003 with equivalent notability coverage as do hundreds of other living artists covered on Wikipedia. Previous articles on Optical were constantly being deleted to the point where one could freely suspect malice. The page provides ample external sources (Discogs entries, newspaper articles, production and musicianship credits on notable albums by other artists, among others).

I understand that people who are not into drum'n'bass could jump to a hasty conclusion about this person's notability, but one's lack of insight into a complete subculture does not justify putting undue notability requirements that are not put on other artists. Matt Quinn aka Optical is, in drum and bass, and electronic music in general, about as notable as Jimmy Page is in rock music. To me, someone who has been a part of that scene for the last twenty years, having to justify it looks more than ridiculous. But I do understand where the error might have come from as it's not reasonable to expect everyone to know everything about everything. Still, if the genre has the page, the sub-genre he essentially started has it's page (Neurofunk), his pioneering work has a page (Wormhole (album)), his peers have theirs (Dom & Roland, DJ Fresh among others), less notable artists have theirs, many of whom have been his proteges or fans before becoming famous themselves (I'll point some articles: Cause_4_Concern, Noisia), and semi-related significantly less notable artists have theirs (Fred V & Grafix come to mind, because I personally like their music) then I see no reason to doubt his notability.

If you have concrete, specific objections on the article and specific parts of it please put them in talk page or add specific objection templates where applicable. However, given previous history of attempts to document Optical on this site, without proper reason and notifications, I will object and likely remove any unjustified blanket tagging of the article. --Bmarkovic.79 (talk) 08:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bmarkovic.79: My concern is not what you assume to be. Normally, an article is created for an artist or group that have achieved some prominence. As far as I can tell, Optical is only famous for being part of Ed Rush and Orbital. Any sources of note are about the duo, not the individual. Discogs and other listing sites do not contribute to notability. Therefore, there should be an article on Ed Rush and Optical, not on Optical. This is made clear in the guideline WP:NBAND - members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. You can therefore create the article Ed Rush and Optical, and Optical can be redirected to that article (Ed Rush is marginal as a standalone article as there are sources about him outside of the duo). Optical should only be created as an article when the person has done work outside of duo that has received significant coverage. It is why Jimmy Page has his own article (outside of Led Zeppelin, he was part of The Yardbirds and The Firm, and has done solo work that received attention). I'd suggest that you first move the article to Ed Rush and Optical or Ed Rush & Optical, rewrite the article as a duo (information about Optical alone can be a subsection), and when you have found enough sources on Optical alone, then that article can be recreated. Otherwise deletion is the likely outcome for the Optical article if you cannot find independent coverage of him outside of the duo. Hzh (talk) 09:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Hzh: I disagree with the move and the notion. While Matt Quinn is most notable for his work as part of the musical duo, both musicians have had successful separate careers as well, both as musicians (i.e. making/producing electronic music) and as DJs. In the case of Optical, the most notable pre-Ed&Op era release is "To Shape the Future" that was published on a very notable Metalheadz label. I have added a news article that reflects on this particular fact and sheds more light on the parts of his career that were separate from the Ed&Op collaboration. --Bmarkovic.79 (talk) 06:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium[edit]

It feels like you're making Northumberland Development Project article redundant, I was wondering if we should cut back a bit the amount of information Hotspur Stadium article. Govvy (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: At the moment, it is simply adding the relevant parts from Northumberland Development Project, then see how to adjust the content. I will trim some of the content added (particularly in the history section), and then add more that are specific to the stadium (facilities, pitch, etc.). It will look different by the time it is finished. I expect it to take a few weeks as the World Cup is taking my attention away from the editing. You are however free to trim anything you think is not relevant, and I can then adjust them. Hzh (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I think the world cup is taking everyone's attention!! :P Govvy (talk) 15:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Karpal Singh[edit]

MrNigerian (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)Stop threatning. Facts are being added about Mr Singh, as per issues raised by the Sikh community towards him. Not defamation or POV. It does not say he supported the genocide, it states that he was silent about it, when Sikh politicians throughout the world condemned the Indian government for the atrocities. A fact about his life.

It is irrelevant. Anything possibly contentious about a person needed to be sourced. Hzh (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Cambridge Mosque[edit]

Hi there! Thank you for accepting and updating on Cambridge Mosque. Actually, that's my first article, and I translated that from German. Regards. --Adeninasn (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Spurs GA[edit]

I was just having a read through the GA, I assume that you that put down done, maybe you can change them to {{done}} template and sign each one (~~~~), be much appreciated thanks, Govvy (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: Certainly, will do that later when I start adding sources and adjusting the text. Some of the those needing sources are written by me (I roughly know where they come from, but need to check them first), but some are not mine, and I'm not sure if I can find sources for those I didn't write. Might take a couple more days, we'll see. Hzh (talk) 21:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Sakura Guardian[edit]

Thanks for tidying up the page, HZH - nice one!Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:44, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

@Deathlibrarian: You are welcome. I would however recommend that you add an infobox for the article. Also stage production (not capitalised) is not the standard term in film (stage refers to theatre) and I'm not sure what it means (film production?). Hzh (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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Tottenham Hotspur F.C.[edit]

I have had a couple of messages from Govvy a few minutes ago and the user says I may copy the icon to the userspace - {{GA user topicon|article_name=Tottenham Hotspur F.C.|date=7 July 2018}}. I'm not sure if I have full permission to do this or leave it as it is... Iggy (Swan) 11:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Swanny my dear friend, I was just trying to have a laugh with you. Govvy (talk) 11:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
I have seen other people add it to their user page, so it's fine to use it if anyone wants to. Personally I haven't done anything to my user page (it's been left blank), so I won't do anything until I have decided to write something for my user page. Hzh (talk) 11:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy: Ah, I see you have added it, thank you. Hzh (talk) 11:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Couldn't help myself, thought I'd give you a few icons, hope you don't mind. :) Govvy (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Happy that you did. Cheers. Hzh (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Sinhalese People[edit]

Hello you recently reversed my edit for Sinhalese People, Since the government of Sri Lanka doesn't provide accurate information on how much Sinhalese people are recorded since the number has been 17 Million for quiet a long time I think its a right time that number increases to 19 million and the cited source says the last time it was recorded was in 1997 same goes for the language too — Preceding unsigned comment added by DLOGLK (talkcontribs) 10:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@DLOGLK: You may not simply add any number you wish without a source. Without a source you might as well as add 25 million, 30 million or whatnot (and people have done that to many articles), and no one would be any wiser as to whether it is correct or not. Hzh (talk) 10:35, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

VAST - Black Magic[edit]

Hello, I have restored this page. Please don't delete it as I am involved in a major promotion for this new album that is pending release.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan-S79 (talkcontribs) 10:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ryan-S79: Please read WP:PROMOTION. You may not used Wikipedia to promote anything, promotional articles are likely to be deleted. Hzh (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


Please note that there are rules governing capitalization of titles per WP:NCCAPS. Capitalization should only be used when it is a proper name, and that is not a proper name. Note also the wrong use of capitalization of subheadings in the article. Stop capitalizing everything. Hzh (talk) 11:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

  • OK, I understand you, that "Regional Ethnic Autonomous" is in the law as you can see, but the word system is not. So I think that's the reason that u object. But consider this page " " which uses the full English equalvelent "Regional Ethnic Autonomous System" as the Title. What do you think? @Hzh. 邬山 (talk) 11:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

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Typing in bold face[edit]

Thank you for telling me to avoid typing in bold face at Wikipedia: Articles for deletion. This was just a gut reaction - I get so used to using the bold face at deletion discussions, that it just flowed out of me! I hope that you did not mind my comment saying that I agreed that the article on Simon Friend (Levellers) should just be Simon Friend. I thought that this was just an innocuous way of saying that I agreed with the comment that since we only have one article on Simon Friend, it should just be called Simon Friend. Vorbee (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vorbee: I only said it because it wasn't clear what you were agreeing to. It could be read as voting and agreeing with the deletion, or agreeing with keeping. if you were agreeing with the comment made by Necrothesp, then add one or more colons (:) in front of your reply (you use one more : than the previous one}, it will indent your reply so others can see that you are replying to that comment. Hzh (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


Why are you deleting my stuff on American Idol season 16 TheBadassNinja (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Read the edit summaries. Drmies (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Malaka vs Malacca[edit]

I notice you are an occasional Malaysia article contributor. Do you know about the following for the Malaysian state:

There are many articles and categories using 'Malaka'; there are also many articles and categories using 'Malacca'. Articles' text is the same way. I do not find any text saying there was a name change. What is the correct name? Are there any references that discuss a name change or the difference? Also is Malaka simply the name in Malay and Malacca the name in English and as an English encyclopedia should we therefore be using Malacca? Hmains (talk) 16:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Hmains: The issue has been discussed in Talk:Malacca a number of times, see for example Talk:Malacca#Requested move. There was indeed a decision by the state government that the state be called Melaka - [3], however, it is not still not widely-used enough except in Malay sources (which have always used Melaka), so there is no clear consensus to change the name yet. However, it may be changed in the future if Melaka become the preferred term used in English sources. Hzh (talk) 16:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks much. I will change nothing from what it is currently Hmains (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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Daniel Levy (businessman)[edit]

I was thinking after seeing a talk page post on Levy that maybe we should put some focus and work towards improving his article next. Let me know if what you think, cheers. Govvy (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: I don't actually know much about Levy, although I'd be happy to help with any improvement of the article. It may take some time as I assume there would be quite a bit of reading to do. Hzh (talk) 23:32, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Noel Conway (Lecturer)[edit]

Please expand on why you tagged this article for notability. Noel Conway has had significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources, and I've provided references to two of them (The BBC and The Telegraph). Jdee4 (talk) 12:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jdee4: It's essentially WP:BLP1E, a person only known for one event, and that event is not even particularly significant, given that he lost the case, nor was it the first of such cases. If he manages to be successful at the Supreme Court, then that might be significant, and may warrant an article, but for now his notability is questionable. I added a tag rather than nominating it for deletion, giving someone else another chance to check. If you want the wider Wikipedia community to examine its notability, I can always nominate it for deletion, then they can decide whether to keep it or delete it. Hzh (talk) 13:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
@Hzh: Thank you for your explanation. I suppose the significance of the event in question is debatable, although given that the issue is highly contentious and actively relevant not just in the UK but multiple jurisdictions, I do view it as significant myself. For comparison, Diane Pretty and Debbie Purdy both have pages, as does Tony Nicklinson (albeit in the form of a page for the court case R (Nicklinson) v Ministry of Justice). Diane Pretty and Tony Nicklinson both lost their cases too. No need to nominate for deletion at this point I feel. Jdee4 (talk) 14:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
@Jdee4: I have no idea if Diane Pretty was the first of such cases, if she was, then that might be notable. Note that the article on the person Tony Nicklinson was redirected because the subject was deemed not notable - [4], which may be a possible fate of this article (being redirected or merged into another article). There are numerous news items every day (e.g. burglary, murder, accident, etc.), and the people involved are not necessary notable even if reported widely by reliable news sites. We normally only include people who have longer-lasting significance (see WP:NOTNEWS), therefore if his case resulted in a significant change in policy or law (or its interpretation), then an article on him would be warranted. Hzh (talk) 14:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Chronicle (UK TV series)[edit]

You did a really good job improving that article. I found a barnstar for you. Face-smile.svgFrayæ (Talk/Spjall) 10:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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@Frayae: Aww, thank you very much. The article needed improving and it was simply a surprise that anyone would consider it not notable. Also thank you for the copy-editing, I often don't see the mistakes I made. Hzh (talk) 10:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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@Simon Adler: Thank you! The article still needs a bit of work, but I'll see if I can finish that within the next few days. Hzh (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

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Question for you[edit]

I was just wondering why you changed the edit on the 92nd Century page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dklover77 (talkcontribs) 16:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Dklover77: For something to warrant an article, you need evidence that it is notable enough, and that means multiple independent reliable sources that discuss the subject in depth. If you can provide that, then by all means remove the redirect and give the sources. Hzh (talk) 17:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

So I used "" as the reference on the page. It talks about the Simultaneous Transits by Meeus and Vitagliano and it has listed on one of those dates that on November 5, 9106, Venus will occult Regulus. Is that link a good source?(Dklover77 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC))

(talk page stalker) Far future events are not usually included due to WP:CRYSTAL. The events listed are also not particularly notable. Please note that all centuries in the distant future are redirects. Also, what is so particularly interesting about the 92nd century vs the 82nd or the 72nd or the 62nd, etc.? --Ebyabe (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh I was working on as many as possible. I was gonna edit more centuries and give them more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dklover77 (talkcontribs) 17:23, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Dklover77: I think the information can be put into the millennium article. As it is, there isn't much to warrant an individual article on the century. As far as I can tell, all the centuries from the 31st onwards don't have their own articles. Hzh (talk) 17:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Note also that the source you gave isn't really about the century itself, but transits. Hzh (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Someday Cowboy[edit]

Hi Hzh, Thanks for bringing the Someday Cowboy article to my attention regarding notability. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia--I've only written 10-20 articles about indie rock bands and albums so far. But I think the Someday Cowboy meets WP:Album notability, specifically under the first criterion: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." There are four sources in particular that I think address this criteria: The Edmonton Journal, Vue Weekly, BeatRoute and Earmilk. The Edmonton Journal, Vue Weekly, and BeatRoute all list independent editorial boards on their websites (for example, here: Additionally, Earmilk is a major music blog with a readership of two hundred thousand and they premiered the record. I also noticed in my web searches that the album is charting on some American college radio, so I changed that sentence and added more citations. Tracklan2 (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tracklan2: As far as I can tell, there might be only one that can pass the criteria on sources (Vue Weekly), even that some may quibble as it is local rather than a national publication, the others are short mentions, or passing mentions in article about other subjects (e.g. the singles). For notability requirements please see WP:NALBUMS and WP:GNG. I will put up a tag on notability, please add sources you think that would indicate notability - they may be coverage of the album, reviews by significant publication (reviews in blogs are generally ignored unless they are attached to notable publications), chart entry (college charts don't count towards notability), etc. before you remove the tag. If the issue is not fixed, then it will be either nominated for deletion or the page gets redirected to the artist. The result of any nomination need not be deletion - it can also be kept or merged or redirected to another article, although it will need significant improvement in sources to guarantee survival. Hzh (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll work on adding more sources that indicate notability. I'm curious why the article from BeatRoute Magazine does not indicate notability to you. Although the article also discusses the release show for the album, it contains significant details about the music on the album. BeatRoute magazine is published both online and in print. Perhaps I should add a citation to the print edition of the article published in BeatRoute.
@Tracklan2: It does not look to be substantial to me as well as being a regional magazine. However, that is just my opinion, should the article come up for deletion discussion, you can argue for it as a source. Some may accept your argument and vote to keep the article. The other sources don't appear to contribute to notability, therefore you may need at least another one similar to the Vue Weekly article. The sources need not be online (although nowadays any publication of note would have an online presence). Hzh (talk) 19:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Would you like to try and rescue Angelique Rockas company`s Wikipedia page Internationalist Theatre from deletion?[edit]

Thank you! Alizafar567 (talk) 14:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alizafar567: I'll certainly take a look. It seems to pass notability guidelines as it is, although those who vote on deletion discussion on companies/corporations tend to be more strict with their criteria, which can be an issue. You can vote on it, citing the appropriate guideline (although new users voting on such discussion may face scrutiny). It may take a while for me to go through all the sources, so I won't vote on it just yet. Hzh (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Chronicle (UK TV series)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Chronicle (UK TV series) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for letting me know, although I did not nominate it, someone else did. I do however intend to go though the article in a few days' times as it still needs some adjustment and additions, as well as some clarifications. The 20 million figure wasn't worded correctly I think. Hzh (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Hzh, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!


As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

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DYK for Chronicle (UK TV programme)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 24 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chronicle (UK TV programme), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that more than 20 million people watched Chronicle during its three-day live coverage of the raising of the Mary Rose in 1982? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Chronicle (UK TV programme)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Books don't need accessdates. They are reserved for webpages only (not pages of books or journals...) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:32, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Casliber: Thanks for the info. I was going through the references just adding them where needed, although for the books I was thinking of using the other methods for books so that they might be consistent for all the books. I haven't quite decided what to do with them yet, do they need to be all the same format? I was wondering if that is what "consistent citations" means. At the moment I'm still going through some books to see what needs to be added (for example, the 1930s-1940s period is not well-covered at the moment), and if there are parts that need to be trimmed, so perhaps a couple more weeks before it is finished. Hzh (talk) 21:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
What I have done is put books at the bottom and use sfn templates for separate pages if I am using different pages to cite things from a single book. If I use the book just once I will leave it in the refrences section - like in Canis Major I think. Take your time - getting it done right is better than getting it done quickly, just give us a hoy when you reckon the content is right. We could also do the parent article. I have all these superstitious thoughts like if we get these articles to FA, then maybe Spurs will win a major trophy this season and Harry Kane will stay....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
@Casliber: The main article needs to be tidied up first I think. I'm debating with myself if it needs a section on training facilities and more on other associated bodies such as the academy, there is an odd mention of the training ground in the first paragraph and not mentioned afterwards, perhaps that needs to be moved. A couple of questions - the bolding appears unnecessary if "history of Tottenham Hotspur" is not used per MOS:BEATLESINUS, should it be unbolded or changed back? Do you have any objection about using singular for the club and plural for the team? The club is commonly used as a plural in Britain, although articles on other football team on Wikipedia appear to prefer the singular for the club? Hzh (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Also for the book citation, some of books I have are ebooks, and I'm not sure how to cite the pages, so I used chapter instead, is that OK, or are there ways to do it differently? Hzh (talk) 11:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
That should be ok. Agree that it is frustrating when the ebook has no page numbers! Sometimes I'll look in the index to try figure out what page I am on. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit war warning[edit]

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@Jytdog: Actually I made only two reverts, perhaps you are too keen to issue warning. Given that it was you who actually just stop discussing and started making POV edits, it is odd to ask me to discuss. I was still discussing. Hzh (talk) 01:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

About deletion of Pratisaad film article.[edit]

I have notice everything have different treatment and rules on wikipedia! Film page of Pratisaad Is marked for deletion and Sorry and Gadbad Gondhal as well. I did research over it for almost hour I found this director is a genuine one apart Pratisaad is worlds first film on homeopathy if you do research in that direction you will get lot of material over it! This film is a biography of world famous doctor. I have tried to find sources given to page but after checking this reliable pages of news papers i found this news papers dont keep old news only ie not before 2016. For this check neatly the reference editors quoted must be genuine but may be archive or deleted . The award mentioned they have won is genuine check IMDB Awards section which us very genuines and reliable source of information for films! The directors page having genuine reference which make clear he made films and SORRY is film he made which is clear on net he is delaying due to may be he wanted to release in festivals. Though I’m marathi I understand marathi film makers ofter do that Sorry has got awards which is not recognised so its not available on IMDB But after research i found the awards official facebook page where film SORRY and Gadbad Gondhal’s nominations and awards announcements are there check page and see post of oct/nov/dec 2017.

Facebook count as notable reference kindly check Tu Maza Jeev posters reference for it. I have also noticed on IMDB and on net TIVEN2240 is user whos name is listed on Tu maza jeev films IMDB page as Social Media Marketing Manager which is against paid advocacy right??? After raising this many people have got banned. Tiven and userkiran may be misguiding kindly do translation and reckeck links , IMDB , Facebooks of everything they initiate to delete.

Kindly see this issue and sort. 🙏🏻 thanks (talk) 10:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

@ You are free to vote on the deletion, giving your reason for not deleting (if you want to keep, write *'''Keep''', then state your reason). Note that Facebook and IMDb don't count as sources for notability purposes. At the moment I have no opinion whether to keep or not, I was just stating my issue with the nomination. Hzh (talk) 11:15, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I thought undergrounding fact you will know seriousness oflobby and say kept on comment! Younerd to check Tiven2240 his pages created and paid advocacy. Though I’m not registered user request you to raise this issue to Admin or Burocat please . — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I received the same message on my talkpage. @ IMDb is not a reliable source at all. It can be edited by anyone. —usernamekiran(talk) 11:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
I have no intention of raising the matter with any admin about this, I'm not even quite sure what is being requested of me. But in reply to, you don't need to register to make your opinion or concerns known. Hzh (talk) 12:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks for your work on Sci-Hub. We all have have lots of options for advancing the article but you are the one making different proposals and talking them through with others. I appreciate that you have been able to convene discussion.

If you did choose to convene an RfC then I expect the Wikipedia community would comment. Elbakyan was a keynote speaker at Wikimania 2017 in Montreal, to which she was invited to speak because of broad community interest in her ideas about providing access to knowledge to the people who request it. Similar to the interest people had for inviting her there, I think there is Wikipedia community interest in making sure that this article presents this topic in the best Wikipedia way. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Thank you. There are a few editors who are keen to introduce non-neutral terms into the article, and the problem is quite extensive. I'm not sure an RfC is the best approach at the moment because it is so extensove, but we'll see how it develops. Hzh (talk) 20:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I am not ready to jump into general conversation but even if you do not call an RfC, but can narrow the scope of the issues, then I would comment. Thanks for probing the situation. Any conversation is useful and leads to changes. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


Misrepresenting other users, as you did here, is unacceptable behavior per WP:TPNO. Please stop doing that. If you continue to do that, I will seek community action. Jytdog (talk) 19:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Perhaps you should try to explain which bit I misrepresented, large part of what I said you did not actually challenge. A number of other editors have objected to your wordings, not just me. Hzh (talk) 21:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
In that diff you wrote you did not actually reply to my point about it not being a summary of the sources. I and others have tried to explain how the content is supported by sources. Just for two examples, at Talk:Sci-Hub#Facts_in_plain_English,_and_ethics and Talk:Sci-Hub#Credentials where I placed discussions of sources and showed how they support the content. You can disagree with the presentation, but your writing you did not actually reply to my point about it not being a summary of the sources is untrue. If you continue making misrepresentations like that I will seek community action. Jytdog (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@Jytdog: I have repeatedly stated quite clearly the problem with part of the sentence, e.g. in Talk:Sci-Hub#Framing the RfC and Talk:Sci-Hub#Problematic wordings that large part of what you wrote is not actually supported by independent reliable sources, and you certainly did not challenge me on that point, and you actually specifically stated I won't respond to the rest "the rest" being that very point. I did not even participated in Talk:Sci-Hub#credentials, which ended before I even started the RfC, so how is that a reply? Furthermore you went off refusing to discuss further in Talk:Sci-Hub#Facts_in_plain_English,_and_ethics (you said I will not be responding to you further), therefore you certainly did not reply to my more detailed analysis later, and when you went back to it, you still did not respond to all the other points made, such as partisan sources. Hzh (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I think it should be stated that issuing spurious warning is itself an offence. Hzh (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Again, your disagreeing with an effort to show how content is supported by sources, is different from not replying at all. You claimed the latter, and it is not true. Stop doing that. I will not reply here further. Jytdog (talk) 23:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you actually reply to the point about it not being a summary of the sources, I certainly don't see it. You talked about something, but I don't see you framing it as a reply to that point specifically (especially when you explicitly stated that you won't talk about it). Hzh (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Jytdog: I would suggest that next time, if you feel that there is an issue, just take the matter to ANI or any other appropriate venue. It has the advantage of everyone's behaviour being examined, yours included, and who knows, it might prompt the intervention of an admin or two in an article where WP:V and WP:NPOV have become a concern. Hzh (talk) 09:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)