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List of films based on television programs[edit]

Pinging Geraldo Perez – this is more a reminder to myself than to you, Geraldo: but the WP:SCOPE of List of films based on television programs looks like it needs to be (massively?) narrowed. Right now it's including a bunch of what are basically TV movies in the list (including some TV movies that basically aired as episodes of these series – e.g. I just removed Shake It Up: Made In Japan which should not have been included under any circumstances!). That list should be narrowed to just theatrically-released films that are based on TV series. FWIW. (And, again, this is more a reminder to myself...) --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Bizaardvark update[edit]

Nothing official has been announced yet on Deadline Hollywood, et al., but this seems to indirectly confirm S3. I realize Just Jared is WP:NOTRS, but if you look here, the official—verified—Disney Channel PR Twitter retweeted it, so we may be able to use it? Pinging Geraldo Perez as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I'd say no, as a "retweet" is weak evidence, IMO. BTW, can't say I'm thrilled that they're hiring such young actors to "replace" Dirk... --IJBall (contribstalk) 16:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Ironically, a person in my Twitter group just said that. They asked why Disney Channel keeps casting little kids with older leads because it doesn't fit well. Like taking Xander, Tiffany, and Jorge out of Bunk'd and replacing them with little kids. Although that's still not officially confirmed until S3 begins in June. They also said that if they want to go for a younger demographic, do it with new series and to stop touching the older series. In other words, if I understood them right, if they're going to cast younger with older, do it from the get-go rather than with already running series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I hope the Bunk'd casting rumors are just "rumors" – IMO, it would be pointless to bring that show back for a third season, but fire half the cast (esp. Xander). 16:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
There is this video of a live-taping, and those three aren't in there, but I don't think that necessarily confirms anything. I guess we'll see. (You can do a search on YouTube for "Bunk'd season 3" if you're curious on anything.) And yeah, that's what I said. Xander, like Lou, is also a counselor, so he should stay. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── This seems to be more telling on Bizaardvark, though the words renewed aren't specifically stated. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Did you ever see this? Still not sure what to do. It's evident, at least to me, that there's a third season coming, but there's still no official renewal announcement from Deadline Hollywood et alia. This wouldn't be the first time, though. When Stuck in the Middle's S3 renewal was officially announced, S3 was already being filmed. Disney Channel has been strange lately. Usually, renewals are announced sometime after the current season has wrapped production and is still airing on TV. Furthermore, filming doesn't begin until after the renewal announcement, at least that's how it usually goes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: I think you can use that to say that a "new season" will premiere in summer/mid-2018 on Disney Channel. But I don't think you can use it say there's a "season 3" yet!! (My guess, is that you'll get a specific Disney press release about this soon, and will be able to use that...) --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's official now. I'll be updating the article shortly. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:44, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: I'm not sure whether we should be adding the new names in the infobox or characters section yet (at Bunk'd). There is the reference, but it doesn't address the names of the characters - another source is needed for that. Also, the episodes with these new actors haven't started airing yet, and the order of their names in the credits will be in question until then. If the names are to be in the infobox and characters section, shouldn't that tweet be tied to them, too (until the season premiere)? MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm with MPFitz – leave them out of the cast list and the infobox for now. They can be mentioned under Production/Casting, but I'd wait until episodes actually air for the rest... --IJBall (contribstalk) 17:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Disney ABC Press has the photo [1] - that's also in the tweet - under which they give the character names played by the new actors - Matteo, Destiny, and Finn (who is Lou's cousin) ... but not which actor goes with which character at this point. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── New Bizaardvark cast confirmed. At 10:27 on this video from Disney Channel's official YouTube on May 12, 2018. Add: And at 23:17, we see the new Bunk'd cast. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I've also just seen a promo on Disney Channel for season #3 Bunk'd – it looks like they've taken an already marginal show and taken it completely out of my demographic... Face-sad.svg --IJBall (contribstalk) 22:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
On a site note, poor Ethan broke his leg as seen in that video. :( I wonder how he did that. As that was back in May and we don't how long he was already in that cast, though, it's probably healed by now, or, at the very least, he's out of the cast. Makes me curious how, if at all, it affected his filming. I doubt he'd just be forever absent, so the only logical conclusion I can think of is that they incorporated his broken leg into the series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Episode table template - headers[edit]

That's interesting. Looks like there was a change made as episode table headers now have a black border. Have a look at any of our watched TV series articles—you can't miss it. Previously, it was the same shade as the episode table body. I kind of like it. Perhaps it was done because the gray borders didn't look or contrast that well with most of the colors or shades used for the header—for example, yellow. Looks like it's coded as well depending on what color or shade the header is used. If you take a look at I Am Frankie and then compare it to, say, List of K.C. Undercover episodes, you should notice an obvious difference, particularly between each column with the header cells. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Not sure I do like it, but not enough to object to it... [shrug] --IJBall (contribstalk) 15:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Cyma Zarghami[edit] Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Online leak notes[edit]

Ignoring the MOS:BOLD issue, do you think notes like this are trivial? Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

The bigger problem that that claim is unsourced – to verify "accidentally released", we'd need a secondary source stating that. So the notes should be removed. --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Face-wink.svg [2]. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Harmony944 reported by User:Amaury (Result: ). Thank you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Amaury (and NeilN!)! I appreciate it! Face-smile.svg --IJBall (contribstalk) 15:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

The world as we know is over...[edit]

Proof. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

The long-standing "TV universe" has been dead for about 5 years now. I'm not sure what they're going to need to do, but I can tell you that "Same Day" ratings are now completely useless. In fact, I kind of wonder why we on Wiki even still bother to report them for currently-airing TV series. --IJBall (contribstalk) 18:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm proud of The Thundermans. Given the times, it ended pretty decently. Sadly, we made history with a special for the first time not receiving 2M+, but still. Amazing how fast things change. Last year Nickelodeon was doing extremely well, even kicking Disney Channel's ass. Starting late last year is when things started changing for the worse, just like when things started changing for the worse on Disney Channel in late 2016. Hopefully Nielsen's algorithm update this summer improves both Nickelodeon and Disney Channel. Although I will say it seems ratings don't matter quite as much for Disney Channel, though they're still nice to have and nice to have high. I'm sure you've noticed that Disney Channel has its own commercials and the like. Add: But you know it's bad when even hit Henry Danger drops to the ratings it was at for April and May. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
And here I thought things couldn't get any worse. Albeit not much under, Andi Mack has fallen below 1M. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

List of Henry Danger characters[edit]

These additions probably need to be reviewed based on their number of guest star appearances. Also, unlike animation, I think you'll agree with me in this case that "portrayed by" is pointless. Add: For example, Omar is just a plant with no credit, similar to Jessie and Mr. Kipling, except it was only in a small amount of episodes and is only a plant, not an animal. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:17, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes "portrayed by" is pointless – that can definitely be removed. The additions... I'll have to look at – Evelyn Hall I think may qualify, but I'm not sure about the others. Omar the Plant should be probably be mentioned, but I'd put it inside Gooch's character summary, not as a separate entry. --IJBall (contribstalk) 19:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Jillian Murray[edit]

Okay, I'm curious about something. If IMBD is not a WP:RS then why is a link to her IMBD in the External Links section? That's where I got the DOB from considering the link was already on her Wikipedia page. From my perspective that says the information it contains hasn't been challenged and is thereby accurate. So I assume that if it's not a RS then the link should be removed as well, right? Snickers2686 (talk) 20:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@Snickers2686: IMDb can be used as an 'External link', but not as an inline source, and especially not for bio info at a WP:BLP. The details are covered at WP:RS/IMDb, WP:Citing IMDb, and WP:EL/P. In terms of Murray, I've looked for WP:RS that mention either a DOB or an age, and have so far found nothing... --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:58, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Vida (TV series)[edit]

Hi IJBall,
Just thought you should know the random ip address that your reverted is blocked for 31 hours due to personal attacks toward me. He or she has been disruptive editing various articles on Wikipedia. — Lbtocthtalk 14:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


Seems they're back to it again. See article history for Judge Mathis and the latest discussion on their talk page: User talk:Harmony944#More edit warring after block. Not really sure what to do about them. I'll ping NeilN as well since he was the one who blocked them last. Hope you don't mind, Neil. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: Edit war between two editors. Contrary to what the IP claims, variations on "removing fluff" are perfectly acceptable edit summaries. IP was also pretty quick to poison the well. Harmony944 has used the talk page - let's see how the IP responds. --NeilN talk to me 16:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
IP lied and claimed I reverted someone when no such thing happened. IP also violates status quo as the fluffless version was in place for eleven days. I did nothing wrong here. Strange how I'm the only one explicitly named. As if Amaury was also trying to paint me as the bad guy--Harmony944 (talk) 16:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@Harmony944: You seriously need to read WP:EW carefully. "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." Removing existing material can count as a revert but admins will usually try to distinguish between normal editing and reverting for the first edit. --NeilN talk to me 17:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm talking about the initial removal of the fluff. It's not a direct undoing. This was clearly a regular edit--Harmony944 (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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Bunk'd and Bizaardvark[edit]

Just an FYI. According to my friends in the Twitter DM, the third season of Bunk'd will have 16 episodes and the third season of Bizaardvark will have 21 episodes. Too bad for Bunk'd. It could have stayed consistent, too, with another 21 for S3. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I almost forgot. You're a jerk! WP:TVLEAD says nothing about not having laundry lists, which doesn't bother me, and I don't know why it bothers you. It even supports inclusion of all main cast. So once again, you're a jerk. I should just revert you, and then we'll get into an edit war, etc., etc. Face-wink.svg Face-wink.svg Face-wink.svg Face-wink.svg Face-wink.svg On a more a serious note, maybe I'm not reading it right, but this wording doesn't make sense to me: The series is a spinoff of Jessie, and stars Peyton List, Karan Brar, and Skai Jackson from the latter series, and Miranda May. Emphasis mine. It would just sound better without that: ... Brar, Skai Jackson, and Miranda May. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Ras.gif What WP:TVLEAD does say (repeatedly) is that the lede should "summarize". Imagine a TV series with 30 different main-cast actors over the course of its run – would you list all 30 in the lede? Of course not. IOW, even the main cast should be "summarized" in the lede. At Bunk'd, there are now well over a half a dozen main-cast actors, and that's just too many to list in the lede, so it's best to focus on just those that are present throughout the entire TV series' run... On Bunk'd what I tried to do there was get across that 3 of those 4 are from the progenitor series, Jessie. You could reword that as The series is a spinoff of Jessie, and stars Peyton List, Karan Brar, and Skai Jackson from Jessie, and Miranda May. but I didn't like that because it has Jessie twice in the same sentence. But if you think this one reads better, feel free to change it... --IJBall (contribstalk) 12:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
K.C. Undercover has a much smaller and more normal amount of main cast, and you even changed it there. So you're still a jerk in my book. Ras.gif Anyway, I tried that with an additional change. That way Jessie isn't in the same sentence twice. I'll hold off on updating the episode list lead, which you forgot to get—another reason you're a jerk! Ras.gif—until I hear your feedback. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that revised version of the lede is fine. Face-smile.svg --IJBall (contribstalk) 13:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, yeah – I changed that at K.C. Undercover because that's a show with a "lead"/titular character. As I said at the time, that appears to be how titular/lead-character TV series ledes are generally handled... --IJBall (contribstalk) 13:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Even if there are only, say, four main cast members? Interesting. By the way, a friend in our Twitter DM last night mentioned Raven's Home S2 has 28 episodes! More than makes up for the short S1. After two seasons, there are usually about 40 episodes, so with Raven's Home, after two seasons, there will be 41 episodes. And I think Andi Mack S2 has either 24 or 26 episodes—I can't remember—leaving us with 37 or 39 after two seasons, not too far away from 40~. Also, Imagine a TV series with 30 different main-cast actors over the course of its run – would you list all 30 in the lede? Well, no, that'd be silly, but 10? Not that many, honestly. Once it starts getting to Backstage level, then yeah. But meh. Face-wink.svg. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
"10" would still be too many if "listed" in a single sentence – even about 6 is too many listed that way: it reads horribly. On K.C. Undercover, it might be OK to list the rest of the cast, but it should be done in a separate sentence in the lede – as Geraldo, I believe, pointed out, that show was conceived as a "starring vehicle" for Zendaya, so it's her baby, and the emphasis should be on her. --IJBall (contribstalk) 14:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Hm. Reads fine to me, but maybe I'm just delusional. Face-wink.svg Could do something like, The series also formerly starred Kevin Quinn..." but I dunno. Also: The series stars Zendaya as a teenager named K.C. who becomes a spy. Alongside her, the series also stars Veronica Dunne, Kamil McFadden, Trinitee Stokes, Tammy Townsend, and Kadeem Hardison. ? Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm satisfied with the current lede for Bunk'd. On K.C., feel free to make that change, though I may "tweak" in later. --IJBall (contribstalk) 14:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 Done on K.C. Undercover. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't know if you've been watching Disney Channel lately, but there is a promo or teaser—whatever you want to call it—for Bizaardvark. The clips are clearly from the third season, but there's no date or any mention of "new." At the end, there's just the usual "Watch Bizaardvark on Disney Channel." No "coming soon" or "in X weeks" or anything like that. It may just be a general "watch X series on Y channel" commercial, and it just happens to be using clips from the third season. It ends with Paige saying "the summer of us," so it seems there are summer-themed episodes in the third season. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Apparently it returns on Tuesday, July 24, airing Tuesdays and Thursdays at 10:30 AM, taking over Stuck in the Middle's slot after it airs its finale on July 23. This was confirmed by Olivia Rodrigo at the RDMAs. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Dang! – SitM will be gone that soon?! --IJBall (contribstalk) 00:53, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately, yes, because of the scheduling all summer long. Nothing's been officially confirmed, and while we can't actually insert this into the article since it's still hypothesizing, it's simple by looking at the episode count. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:59, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Olivia Rodrigo[edit]

Article's history here:

We have a non-autoconfirmed editor overwriting what is currently a redirect to Bizaardvark, attempting to make a full article about her and ignoring the note in there about the draft article at Draft:Olivia Rodrigo. MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:43, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

In case there are more problems with this, I'll also ping Amaury and Geraldo Perez. Could you please keep an eye on this as well? MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Glad you figured it out – Draft:Olivia Rodrigo has precedence, no matter what, so you were correct to restore the redirect. Right now, I don't think she meets WP:NACTOR or WP:BASIC: she hasn't gotten enough coverage for Bizaardvark (or the "American girl") movie. I suspect she needs at least one more "significant" role before she'll clear NACTOR. In addition, even at the Draft, that editor's edits have been problematic, IMO. --IJBall (contribstalk) 12:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@MPFitz1968: Watching. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Splitting Up Together recurring[edit]

Would you agree with that I have Henry, Wes, and Lisa Apple as recurring based on this? Henry and Lisa have been in four episodes so far and are bound to continue appearing. Same with Wes, except he's only at three right now; however, he seems to have a major (guest) role, like Griff in Bunk'd when he was added early. It's pretty much the same as the live article, except I'm not including Charlotte who's only had two appearances. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

4 out of 8? Probably yes. --IJBall (contribstalk) 22:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Full House[edit]

May need to keep an eye on this article after I made a WP:BOLD removal of the "drunk driver" detail from the plot ([3]), which I subsequently brought up on the show's talk page. An IP has reinserted the content since ([4]), which I immediately reverted. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Replied at talk page. --IJBall (contribstalk) 18:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Gortimer Gibbon's Life on Normal Street[edit]

This looks like such a good series from Amazon Prime, and, according to Nick and More, it's coming to Universal Kids tonight. New episodes every Saturday 9:00 PM–12:00 AM. Unfortunately, our DirecTV package doesn't have it! :( Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:53, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

On my end, I don't have Prime yet, but that should happen next month... --IJBall (contribstalk) 17:13, 23 June 2018 (UTC)