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Request for a gentle deletion[edit]

A newbie created Vision for learning using wikimedia, a sweet, naive version of Wikimedia + WP:Welcome. I've welcomed them, and I'd like to make the article's deletion (under WP:A10) as un-bitey as possible. You seem to be a gentle-mouthed admin, so I wanted to ask for your help. Proceed as you see fit. FourViolas (talk) 13:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, it's been deleted and it's up to the author to take it personally or not. Have a nice day! FourViolas (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Now that I've bothered you, could I have an expert opinion on my behavior at Revolution 60 on February 4th? I'm pretty sure DivineAlpha and I were within our WP:3RRNO rights, but I'd like your thoughts. FourViolas (talk) 14:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the late reply. Looks like clear-cut vandalism to me, in which case there's no problem with your reverts. Cheers, Λυδαcιτγ 17:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

You are a nice admin who's worked in Music[edit]

So perhaps you could work this out without too much biting or bruising. Basically, it looks like a group of academics (led by one in particular?) has been editing constructively, and also writing a big OR paper ([high-quality WP:NOTESSAY stuff) about charter schools and socioeconomic factors in education. (these are live, contentious issues in US education-policy circles, teachers' unions, etc.)

I'm asking you to use magic admin wisdom to 1) make the unencyclopedic content go away, while 2) making sure the authors have a copy saved somewhere and 3) managing to avoid making them hate Wikipedia, and maybe even 4) recruiting an expert or two.

Thanks a lot! FourViolas (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the late reply. From a Google search, it looks to me like a pretty clear neologism, so I don't think there's a place for this article here. Which means that WP:AFD is the way it'll have to go... but doing that while avoiding #3 is tough. Λυδαcιτγ 11:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


In response to Four Viola's and Audacity's notice about deleting the Learning-Disadvantage Gap article, please consider the following points[edit]

The Learning-Disadvantage Gap report at first inspection may incorrectly seem like a document of original concepts, especially by someone not immersed in the convoluted world of educational standardized high-stakes testing systems in use today, and the growing movement in opposition to it, but in fact it is not. The anti-standardized high-stakes testing movement is not my own. I am but a pawn in the movement. The Learning-Disadvantage Gap is a collection of original articles and studies that I have accumulated over the past five and a half years from reliable separately published articles not yet compiled in a format easily accessible to the public. Not even the Learning-Disadvantage Gap words and concept is original, as I have borrowed from references as well.

To clear up any possible misunderstanding, the Gap is compiled and written exclusively by myself with technical assistance by my staff. The name, Music Teacher’s Club, is just that, a name, and this is my very first proposed entry to Wikipedia. I am the owner of a music store, Johnny Thompson Music.com, and chair of Parents and Students for Music and Arts aka AllArtsAllKids.org.

Having studied Wikipedia policies I believe the Gap avoids cherry-picking of reference articles in a negative sense and synthesis of combining separate ideas to reach any conclusions. Actually, the report does not reach conclusions other that what is from any of the two hundred plus references. All two hundred plus references are interconnected by one goal: educational equality for all.

I do not pick references that agree with my personal view, rather, I learn first from each and every reference before I report on it. I am the student and messenger, not the teacher. That said, the report may be the first of its kind that combines original works of others that I am aware of.

This is a neutral report which includes reporting on current educational inequities and non-compliances of statutory and education laws by the United States Department of Education.

The collection of two hundred plus references to the Gap consists of works by U.S. Department of Education, K-12 teachers, principals, and district superintendents, university professors and studies, parents and students, civil rights groups, court cases, constitutional attorneys, statistical groups, arts advocacy groups, and more. Just one reference alone includes a list of five hundred plus university professors who as a group are petitioning the U.S. Department of Education specifically to stop test-focused reforms particularly NCLB (No Child Left Behind).

Although written by a potpourri of writers, each with their own expressed views, the goal of each and every reference, and within the stop high-stakes testing movement in general, is equal learning-opportunities for the disadvantaged and all students in America, without regard to their socio-economic and academic standings.

The Learning-Disadvantage Gap, and in fact big Gov’s standardized high-stakes testing, is not generally known by the American public. The national mainstream media has yet to cover the movement and to spark a national debate. That said, there is a substantial and growing grassroots movement, starting on the East Coast, that has tens of thousands of students “opting out” of March and April NCLB, Common Core, and other state test-based no-excuses high-stakes yearly testing. I will mention at this point that my group, Parents and Students for Music and Arts, has a twitter account and am proud to report that the largest independent anti-high-stakes testing group of teachers follows us on Twitter.

I consider this Wikipedia report, an honor should it be accepted, a very much needed public service article. It is my plan to continue upgrading quite often. Currently, we are doing so almost daily. I believe it to be a wonderful venue for educating people on the subject with limited time to invest. Also I believe it is so important that parents of economic and academic disadvantaged kids have a source to learn from that offers hope. The Gap welcomes contributions as well as other points of view from Wikipedia’s very large at-large contributing public editors. We are looking forward to having an active Wikipedia article.

JCharlesThompson (talk) 05:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Thompson. Thanks for your explanation. However, I think your article may still fall afoul of Wikipedia policy (Wikipedia:No original research), specifically insofar as it is "analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources." Would you mind taking a look at that policy and seeing if you still think your article is suitable for this encyclopedia? Λυδαcιτγ 09:43, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Audacity, for your response. To answer your question, please refer to our reply to FourViolas. I believe I have answered the question you've just asked. Thank you sincerely for your input on this matter.
  • Delete but merge some sources and information into Achievement gap in the United States (as original red-flag-waver). Unfortunately, "[compiled from] reliable separately published articles not yet compiled in a format easily accessible to the public" is a description of high-quality WP:SYNTHESIS, which is firmly verboten. This report is great and useful, but publishing great original research is not what Wikipedia is for.
Nonetheless, I think the article has a lot of usefully collected information which could improve Achievement gap. I suggest Mr. Thompson looks at that article, which has already benefitted from the contributions of many clear thinkers, and adds info from his report where it would be nonredundant and WP:DUE. FourViolas (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep - Hello Four Violas. Thank you for your kind words and advice on your last talk and articles for deletion pages updates. The sticking point is the topic of originality, so let’s see if we can get to the bottom of that. Wikipedia (WP) title of “No original research: OR is used to refer to material for which no reliable, published sources exist.” I agree with that because all of my references are indeed published previously by reliable sources listed in our earlier communication to you. That said, I respectfully ask you to be very specific and quote WP published policies whereby you reached your conclusion to delete.
As stated in my first response to you, “The Learning-Disadvantage Gap is a collection of original articles and studies that I have accumulated over the past five and a half years from reliable separately published articles not yet compiled in a format easily accessible to the public. Not even the Learning-Disadvantage Gap words and concept is original, as I have borrowed from references as well.” In your response you quoted me, “unfortunately, ‘[compiled from] reliable separately published articles not yet compiled in a format easily accessible to the public’ is a description of high-quality WP:SYNTHESIS, which is firmly verboten.” And then you continued that, “this report is great and useful, but publishing great original research is not what Wikipedia is for.” To this, however, I respond that WP publicly states that “synthesis of published material serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources.” My follow-up to that is that all carefully researched references supply their own conclusions and in numerous cases they are direct quotes.
Apparently I was not as clear as I could have been with my quote. I was somewhat clumsily trying to say in the rush to finish my reply that all the articles have been previously published in a format accessible to anyone interested. But to my knowledge – and I may be mistaken about this – I may or may not be the first person to read and compile these original works referencing each and every one on WP. Furthermore, to quote WP again, “to demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented.” I suggest that any and all synthesis that is accomplished fully complies with WP policies that we also touched upon in our first direct communication to you on 24 March 2015.
Thank you for your continued discourse. In all due respect, we strongly believe this article merits a stand-alone WP entry and thereby we must ask you to consider our points and that you defend or alter your stance.
JCharlesThompson (talk) 05:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


  • Keep - Hello again Λυδαcιτγ and Four Violas,
I’d like to start off by saying that I have not always expressed myself clearly and I have given you and Four Violas the wrong impression at times. Once again I want to apologize for that. Music is my profession, not self expression through writing. I always think that people understand what I mean just because I do, but, I will in the future be more careful.
Having once again reviewed WP policies, I want to reinforce that these are also my policies in both letter and intent. These policies include those of OR, synthesis, neutrality, cherry picking, and verifiability of authoritative references with author notability. Some references may already have reached their own conclusions. My job is to give voice only to their experiences and conclusions regardless of my personal opinion. I have edited and removed throughout my article whatever I think is questionable. I continue to include references from the Department of Education taking in to account their differing points of view and stated policies.
If you find another suspect entry please let me know. I have made so many recent changes that my references have become out of place, and I need more time to reposition, add more, and to continue upgrading in general. In addition, your editors will always have the opportunity to revise as WP allows. Lastly, I am likely going to change the title to “Academic-Opportunity Discrimination,” the reasons for which can be elaborated more in future correspondence.
Thank you for taking the time to engage this important article.
JCharlesThompson (talk) 02:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Responding to Nakon's deletion of the article "Learning-Disadvantage Gap"
(Hello Nakon) I consider your deletion of the article “The Learning-Disadvantage Gap” a hasty and inappropriate decision as it was based on a single quote that was taken out of context from a 25 March 2015 talk page response in regards to the proposed deletion of this legitimate and informative article.
Please note in my quote, “The Learning-Disadvantage Gap is a collection of original articles,” of which you focused on, I was referring not to myself but rather to the authors of the two hundred verifiable reference articles.
The seventh paragraph of the same communication went on to address specifically these two hundred references as shown here. Here’s the quote: “[t]he collection of two hundred plus references to the Gap consists of works by the U.S. Department of Education, K-12 teachers, principals, and district superintendents, university professors, and studies, parents and students, civil rights groups, court cases, constitutional attorneys, statistical groups, arts advocacy groups, and more. Just one reference alone includes a list of five hundred university professors who as a group are petitioning the U.S. Department of Education…”
The rest of my quote, “reliable separately published articles not yet compiled in a format easily accessible to the public,” explains that while these independently authored articles are currently and verifiably published and accessible to the public through various online and traditional sources, they are now compiled as a quick-read and convenient WP article.
I'm not making an appealing your decision here, asking only for future editor/administrator fairness and to be judged solely on how well the article itself abides by WP written policies. For all that has been said, I appreciate the opportunity to rewrite the article in our user-sandbox which will hopefully establish itself as a legitimate standalone WP article in the future. Thank you, as well as to Audacity, Four Violas, and others.
JCharlesThompson (talk) 02:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Oxaloacetic acid[edit]

I reverted your change on the above topic, as acids are not med that way. It would have to have been hydrogen oxaloacetate. The oxaloacetate would be used for salts or esters.JSR (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)a

OK, thanks. I wasn't 100% sure if the change was correct, but oxaloacetate redirects to oxaloacetic acid, which I assumed meant they were the same. Do you have a good understanding of their relationship, as there should be something about that in the article? Λυδαcιτγ 22:53, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Although on second thought, if you look at a diagram of the citric acid cycle, the molecule labeled "oxaloacetate" looks the same to me. Thoughts? @JohnSRoberts99: Λυδαcιτγ 22:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
And that is an oxaloacetate anion, a salt, not oxaloacetate acid.JSR (talk) 23:19, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Got it. I just bolded the word "oxaloacetate", since that seems to be the commonly used name in biochem. Thanks! Λυδαcιτγ 01:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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  • The Wikipedia community has recently learned that Allen3 (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as JohnCD. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2017[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).

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Administrator changes

added Joe Roe
readded JzG
removed EricorbitPercevalThinggTristanbVioletriga

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.

Technical news

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Miscellaneous

  • Over the last few months, several users have reported backlogs that require administrator attention at WP:ANI, with the most common backlogs showing up on WP:SPI, WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. It is requested that all administrators take some time during this month to help clear backlogs wherever possible. It should be noted that AIV reports are not always valid; however, they still need to be cleared, which may include needing to remind users on what qualifies as vandalism.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation Community health initiative is conducting a survey for English Wikipedia contributors on their experience and satisfaction level with Administrator’s Noticeboard/Incidents. This survey will be integral to gathering information about how this noticeboard works (i.e. which problems it deals with well and which problems it struggles with). If you would like to take this survey, please sign up on this page, and a link for the survey will be emailed to you via Special:EmailUser.

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ArbCom 2017 election voter message[edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, Audacity. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2017).

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Administrator changes

added Muboshgu
readded AnetodeLaser brainWorm That Turned
removed None

Bureaucrat changes

readded Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether the administrator policy should be amended to require disclosure of paid editing activity at WP:RFA and to prohibit the use of administrative tools as part of paid editing activity, with certain exceptions.

Technical news

Arbitration


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Administrators' newsletter – February 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).

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Administrator changes

added None
removed BlurpeaceDana boomerDeltabeignetDenelson83GrandioseSalvidrim!Ymblanter

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
  • Editors responding to threats of harm can now contact the Wikimedia Foundation's emergency address by using Special:EmailUser/Emergency. If you don't have email enabled on Wikipedia, directly contacting the emergency address using your own email client remains an option.

Technical news

  • A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.

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