User talk:IdreamofJeanie

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Help with article Glossary of Belly Dance Terms[edit]

Hi! I saw that you had contributed to the article on Belly Dance. I have created an article “Glossary of Belly Dance Terms” because many of my dance students have been asking for it. I am new to Wikipedia and I was hoping that you would be able to help out by contributing or helping with formatting (I need that!) or adding citations. Thanks!MonicaDance (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for this fix. That was a dumb mistake on my part. Ryan Vesey 21:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

no probs. cheers IdreamofJeanie (talk) 21:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you also for picking up my Sandyrust mistake! Dollist (talk) 14:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Jack The Ripper[edit]

Hey, I noticed your edit on Jack The Ripper when I was reviewing a pending changes edit. As I was reviewing it, the user you reverted re-inserted his edit that you had removed. I just wanted to make sure you know, which I'm sure you do, that if you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, you are required to leave and edit summary other than the default. I am not going to get in the middle of an edit war, but the anon's edit was clearly not vandalism (whether it was valid or not). Please be sure and leave and edit summary with your rationale in the future. Of course this applies to all pages on Wikipedia, but is especially important on protected pages, whether semi- or pending-changes protected. Thank you. – Alex43223 T | C | E 17:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)...You see, Alex desperately wants to be IMPORTANT on Wikipedia.... just so you know... Basket Feudalist 18:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Tom Bdonkey[edit]

Well spotted. It's unfortunate that so many people do tidying up, typo correcting, adding categories etc, and never ask themselves, is this whole article perhaps nonsense or a hoax? I have known instances where a hoax article was blanked by an IP with edit summary "Guys, this is all made up!", but that was reverted as vandalism and the hoax lingered on. If you come on one that you have doubts about, but are not sure enough to tag it for deletion, there is a useful template {{hoax}}, which says only that it might be a hoax, but puts it into CAT:HOAX, where someone probably pick it up and check it out. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, just suspicious about the name, so I checked a link, then another, then googled. Totaly amazed when a photo showed a banner refering to Allen, and caption said Bdonkey. ah well. it's gone now. cheers IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Different from[edit]

is a common gramatical error made nearly every time the word 'different' is used. The Oxford dictionary of English Usage states (slightly paraphrased):

"Different is always followed by to, never from or than. The use of different from is a common grammatical error. The increasing use of the awkward form different than is probably due to confusion with other than. [It then goes on about the incorrect use of the adjectival form where the adverb is required]."

The form 'different to' was drummed into me at school. The Americans may well use the form 'different from' as a matter or routine since they always take the easy approach but as the article is about a UK invention, British English is the required version for the article. Pointing to internet sites that claim otherwise is not going to impress, because they are clearly making the common error, but it is difficult to weed out those that are thinking in American English. The Oxford University dictionaries are generally regarded as the authoritative source for all things concerning the English language. I B Wright (talk) 10:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Death of Lee Rigby[edit]

Hi there. I can partly understand your logic in removing the murder category. But you might wish to note that e.g. Death of Keith Blakelock has, in fact, no less than six murder categories. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I would imagine any right thinking person would agree this was murder, viscious and horrific at it was no other description would fit. However reading the the talk page the overwhelming concensus is that we should not refer to it as such until the evil scum (sorry, suspected evil scum) have been convicted. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 12:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering what broght about the decision to name that article in that way, despite the use of those six categories. The two do not seem to be incompatible. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Forms of history and plays[edit]

I think you are somewhat confused. What you defined in your explanation for "historical play" would apply more accurately to "historic play" (though there is an alternative interpretation). In contrast, your preferred "history play" is a strained and somewhat implausible usage, though the most likely interpretation is that play in question follows the history quite accurately, and the reason it caught my eye in this particular case is precisely because the history is disputed. The general adjectival usage of "historical play" is usually taken to refer to a play that is based on history. I actually prefer such usages as "historical fiction", "historical fantasy", or even "history-based play" where the distinctions must be made clearly.

However, I'm not going to get in a reversion war with you, though it bothers me to see poor usages in Wikipedia--and it bothers me more to see those usages aggressively defended. (BTW, I've been a professional technical editor for many years.) Shanen (talk) 05:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

"BTW"... something only a 'professional technical editor' who has also been mildly cretinous would use Face-wink.svg Basket Feudalist 18:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 :-) Horror film: horrible movie, Love Story: Lovely story, Travel Show Travelling Show. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

The Zulu / The Zulus[edit]

Hi, IdreamofJeanie. The main purpose of my last contrib in the Anglo-Zulu War article was the standardisation of the article encyclopedic style. I think the ethnonym should be mentioned in the same manner in every occurrence ("the Zulu" for the whore article or "the Zulus" for the whole article). That's what I think... Regards. Kintaro (talk) 22:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism done to My Work on Lap Dance Article[edit]

This is pretty much what I said to Rick Block, and basically sums up what must be done:

You or one of your admin associates needs to look more closely at the incident. These guys ignored the article for years, and it stagnated. After doing much work cleaning it up and adding research, Candleabracadabra without any discussion on the Talk page and during a late night hour, removed the majority of my work, cutting the article in half. His friend, Beyond My Ken who also has deleted the same work has received many complaints from users about his excessive reverts, his use of profanity in his comments, and has even been disciplined multiple times for Edit Warring (see link below). I will not work on this article, or any other articles, unless Candleabracadabra and Beyond My Ken are banned from the page, in order to preserve the much researched and referenced work that I have invested in. Do you really think that any volunteer would continue with this type of treatment?
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion to Beyond My Ken Carroll (talk) 17:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Your revert on Gibraltar[edit]

Hi, I noticed in this revert you made, you said that you were reverting me in your edit summary. When in actual fact you were reverting this edit made by this Anon IP from Andalucia in Spain. I just thought you should know. Regards IJA (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. please read edit summary again. it clearly states that I was restoring your edit. Cheers IdreamofJeanie (talk) 19:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry my bad. Apologies. IJA (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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Observer Corps[edit]

The Observer Corps played a vital role during the Battle of Britain, and I was very pleased to see them acknowledged on the Battle of Britain Wiki page, however the caption was incorrect as the Observer Corps was not 'Royal' in 1940. I am a former member of the ROC and I’m also currently a member of the ROC Association Heritage Team who advise in matters regarding the heritage and history of the ROC throughout our 70 year history, so with this in mind I made the minor edit with the best intention improving the accuracy of this page. It is well published that the ‘Royal’ prefix was not awarded until 9th April 1941 when Sir Archibald Sinclair made the announcement in Parliament, and was brought about by the contribution made by the Observer Corps during the Battle of Britain the previous year. Further Information on this can be found on page 112 of the excellent book ‘Attack Warning Red’ by Derek Wood (along with a wealth of other information about the Observer Corps contribution), or on page 52 of ‘Forewarned is Forearmed’ by Henry Buckton. The Wikipedia page on the ROC that you linked to was written by and is maintained by a former ROC officer, and I can vouch for its accuracy as the gentleman concerned is extremely knowledgeable in all matters concerning the ROC.

Uncanny Valley[edit]


I note your revert on the entry for Uncanny Valley but in the UK the example which I gave achieved notoriety and the image became instantly recognisable for millions of people who saw it, and commented directly within the region of relevance of the Uncanny Valley. Sorry for making an unwelcome introduction into the subject for such purposes. With regard to the slant of your accusation, the "sex doll" image which I have provided presents a better neutrality than the 2006 image, which personally I found to be gross and possibly am not unique in such a reaction. The 2006 image was not representative of what is available now and the article [Sex_toy_industry_in_China] demonstrates the extent to which the subject has moved on within intervening years unimaginably, and it is appropriate for the pages to represent that. Whilst possibly not intended in such a manner the wording of your comment has a tone of being derogatory in the relation of someone associated with a "sex doll" and therefore not neutral. With the greatest of respect, anyone seeing the 2006 image would be justified in being derogatory, and it is specifically for that reason that I have provided a less prejudicial image.

I have tried to contribute usefully within the subject providing references and particularly on account of Chinese manufacturers are transforming products that used to be single purpose sex toys into art models. The popularity of the Japanese "Fuccon Family" "Oh Mikey" is an example of how poseable mannequins are inspiring art and culture, and the increased realism of silicone dolls originally intended as sex dolls is taking art using them further into the realm of the Uncanny Valley.Dollist (talk) 10:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

It would therefore be appropriate to re-consider whether your revert on Uncanny Valley is constructive within the subject or based upon whether I should be looked upon as an easy target in the terms your comment on the associated talk page suggests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollist (talkcontribs) 10:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Dollist (talk) 11:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

hi dollist, how would you describe an editor with a username dollist, and 40+edits all trying to get two pictures of his favourite sex doll published, on three different wikipedia articles, having been reverted at various times by three separate editors? Also what relevance is this 2006 image you object to, which was never on this page in any case? IdreamofJeanie (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry - your response indicates that your edit appears merely in delight of taking a pot shot at an apparently easy target (which I do not deny) personally directed therefore rather than in intellectual objection or contribution upon the issue. No doubt taking pot shots at new contributors in a first subject area is a hobby which can provide no end of entertainment.

The photograph Sandyrust.jpg was a particular example of the Uncanny Valley phenonomen to the extent that it was picked up by a news agency and published in newspapers in the UK with a circulation of millions, syndicated online and went viral on facebook, for the reason that it was felt to be "creepy" - specifically relevant to the subject and a popularly recognised iconic example.

The image and story were syndicated to all VW agencies in the world for the very amusement of the phenonomen that such a creepy, uncanny, image should be used in connection with marketing a second hand VW car.

With regard to the 2006 photograph to which you refer, the sculpture is gross with "assets" of indecent proportions and not representative of the type of item available now. The subject is riddled with issues of discrimination, disgust for the objects and for anyone using them and depictions inclined towards perpetuating either visual disgust or discrimination should be avoided in the interests of neutrality within the subject. To wish to maintain a discriminatory image from 2006 when the manufacture has moved on to products capable of art use and publication within respectable newspapers demonstrates as much lack of objectivity from your perspective as you wish to point out against mine.

The relevance of the 2006 photograph here is that you refer to the image uploaded into the Uncanny Valley subject as a sex doll. The function of the figure to which you refer in that instance is that of a poseable mannequin and not as a sex doll, neither posed nor dressed as a sex doll nor equipped for the functions of sex at the time. She was posed as a mannequin doing something akin to human behaviour and eliciting the reaction exemplifying the subject and by widespread publication of that particular image drawing attention to the subject.

Just because I have some experience and expertise in a subject and make no bones about it in the choice of a username does not mean that I should be discriminated against when making hopefully informed and objective contributions within a field.

Just because when making an edit after consultation with another editor through a degree of senility I made a bona fide mistake in loading Sandyrust.jpg there in the stead of the other image doesn't mean that the use of Sandyrust.jpg if and where relevant should justify your condemnation.

Having been introduced better to the learning curve of contributing, on other subjects such as harpsichords, as I am not a single subject contributor, I have left appropriate suggestions on the relevant subject talk pages and await comments.

(You may or may not have noted that I specifically THANKED you above for having picking up my Sandyrust mistake when it occurred . . . )

Dollist (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Dollist (talk) 16:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Obviously you have noted that i supported your use of sandy where approriate, that does not mean i agree that it should be shoehorned into any page with a mere tangential relevance. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 19:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
-) OK - thanks. Appreciated. I'm not looking to shoehorn anything but where examples of something can be useful then when a helpful contribution can build the body of knowledge and be helpful.

The question is that of relevance and the way in which the publication of the image exploded through the press and a multiplicity of internet sites appeared to be rather a good example of the effect as a practical example, and seen by many, brings the subject into the wider arena. It is an issue that as human effigies move more into the arena of robotics, familiarity and comfort zones will shift and change or not. The spectrum of emotions hit by the photos on what seemed at the time to be an innocuous ebay advertisment was extraordinary - a mixed spectrum but wide, and the comments upon sites allowing comment were interesting. Some focused on the salacious whilst others were more oriented to creepiness. The spectrum of publications was documented on from which it's possible to see the extent without time consuming googling, together with quotations for comment. Should you be interested to take a look, and therefore a view to relevance obviously as a newbie it's appropriate for those of longer experience to make decisions.

But the photo itself is of interest in being so nearly human, and yet not, and the unhappy valley phenonomen was the specific reason for it having been noticed and taken up.

Dollist (talk) 12:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


If you do not speak albanian ,go to google translate or another translating website and translete (beautiful) and (is) in the albanian language — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakoni (talkcontribs) 13:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't have to look anything up. You are claiming that the capital city of romania is so named because that is albanian for it is beautiful. The onus is on you to provide a source. The link you provided did not contain either word, Bucharest, or Bukar, which you claim is the root of the name. If you can find a reliable third party reference for your claim, then please add it, otherwise it is just your claim, and is not acceptable on wikipedia. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Now it does not arrive estleg get a few days to correct the Hungarian greenland[edit]

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levente 2 (talkcontribs) 12:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

No Levente, as you have been told before, more than once, work on your article (perhaps off line, or as a draft) and get it in proper English, and THEN add it to Wikipedia. please don't add garbage. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

"Speedy" Speedy deletions[edit]

Slapping a Speedy Deletion on a new page 3 minutes after it was created is a tad harsh and is the kind of thing that will push people away from editing. Perhaps give the author time to enhance it? — BranStark (talk) 14:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

You were a bit early with this one, too. Give them half an hour or so, in case they got interrupted by something. Then check their contributions history and, if they're an experienced Wikipedian, drop a brief, polite hand-written note on their talk page, asking if they're going to expand it. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 04:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Please send a copy of the deleted WizNote page to me[edit]

I spend some time editing on this page, unfortunately I'm not experienced and the page is labelled as "Speedy deletion". I'm not going to argue, so be it, but please send a copy to me. Maybe I'll improve it sometime.

Thanks for the correction[edit]

Hi Jeannie thanks for pointing out that the "Maybe, maybe not..." in Rorke's Drift was in fact part of a quotation. I missed that, as perhaps most people would given it is a long quotation and is lost in the main body of the text. Would italics make it more obviously a quote - or perhaps indent it in parenthesis? MarkDask 20:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Easy done. I only double checked because it was so tabloidese. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 20:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Cetshwayo kaMpande[edit]

Why is this image better than this image? You gave little detail in your edit summary. Omo Obatalá (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
THe Zulu king in tribal dress is more relevant to this article than in western dressIdreamofJeanie (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Good point. Thanks. Omo Obatalá (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi there. As one of the recent editors of Gibraltar who recently (knowingly or not) participated in an edit war over how much prominence to give to a certain item in the lead of the article, I am inviting you to comment on a proposal at Talk:Gibraltar towards unprotecting the article. Can I also take this opportunity to cordially remind you that it is both more collegial and more effective to discuss in talk than to join in an edit war? Thanks a lot. --John (talk) 23:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Sexual fetishism[edit]

Hi IdreamofJeanie, thanks for the correction to the above article. Although it sounds a bit awkward, this article helped me. Versace1608 (Talk) 16:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Stone[edit]

When I click on the link I get directed here, which quite clearly says "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" at the top. Perhaps it works differently for you in some manner? DonIago (talk) 19:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

For me in the UK it comes up with "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" with your title underneath and smaller, described as the "original title". Britmax (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. We're discussing it at the film's Talk page now. Seems like it must be locality-based... Thanks for the info! DonIago (talk) 20:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Aeronautical Engineering page redirection[edit]

Hello IdreamofJeanie, i just noticed your recent edit on Aeronautical Engineer article cleared the page and redirected to Aerospace engineering. I also first thought of redirecting it to Aerospace engineering when i created it, but i noticed a difference between the the subjects, i.e Aeronautical Engineer -> identifies a person, but Aerospace engineering -> identifies a profession or industry. So i thought the subject Aeronautical Engineer needs some clarity and decided to write the article as a separate one.

Kindly give your opinions with reference to my reason for making the article separate. see you later, bye. (Social Informer (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC))

Hi. From what I saw there was nothing there that warranted a separate article: a couple of paragraphs about a person which would be better placed expanding the engineering article. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 22:02, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok then, i would look for expanding the main article Aerospace engineering, See you, bye. (Social Informer (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2015 (UTC))