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Jigsaw puzzle accessories[edit]

Copied from the page above:

Hi Brian, well fancy meeting you here! The point that I was trying to make (although apparently not very coherently!) was that IP is a major consideration to companies investing in development AND in the World of jigsaw puzzle accessories it is extremely difficult to acquire. Let's be honest, none of the accessories are rocket science and patents on such basic ideas are virtually out of reach. Having said that, if you let me know which sentences you would like to see changed I will be pleased to go along with you (or argue violently depending upon how the mood takes me at the time!!) By the way, this four tildes jobbie seems to work a treat! Talk to you soon, Colin ColinKing 19:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Bilingual / multilingual users[edit]

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Johann August Just[edit]

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Hey all :).

I'm dropping you a note because you've been involved in dealing with feedback from the Article Feedback Tool. To get a better handle on the overall quality of comments now that the tool has become a more established part of the reader experience, we're undertaking a round of hand coding - basically, taking a sample of feedback and marking each piece as inappropriate, helpful, so on - and would like anyone interested in improving the tool to participate :).

You can code as many or as few pieces of feedback as you want: this page should explain how to use the system, and there is a demo here. Once you're comfortable with the task, just drop me an email at and I'll set you up with an account :).

If you'd like to chat with us about the research, or want live tutoring on the software, there will be an office hours session on Monday 17 December at 23:00 UTC in #wikimedia-officeconnect. Hope to see some of you there! Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment[edit]

Hey Imaginatorium; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Stupid article that mentions nothing about the physical and mental ability of toughness in humans and solely focus on materials. - WikifixerSOS


Please participate in the debate. Solomon7968 (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Danball Senki[edit]

The name meaning for Danball Senki is just nothing but a waste of space. I don't care if it's reliable or not, that breaks WP:TRIVIA. Don't you dare add this again.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Imaginatorium.[edit]

In my Italian books of history of art I discovered that the dimensions are omitted. Thus I searched on Google Books a reliable source and I found only the one that I edited. I don't know where else to look, so feel free to change and modify as you like. Happy editing. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

no problem about the rikishi article[edit]

I don't know what happened but you seemed to have cleared it up, thanks for your clean-ups on the article. Hope to see more of you. FourTildes (talk) 07:02, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


It's true that "newly-formed" isn't a grammatical error, but like a lot of publications, Wikipedia's house style is to omit the hyphen after an -ly adverb. Per MOS:HYPHEN: "A hyphen is not used after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary)".

I'll restore it for now, but don't intend to edit war if you have more sustained objections. In any case, thanks for your work! Always glad to run into another editor interested in the fine-grained detail. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I think "newly-formed" is correct, but "newly formed" might be even correcter. I see that's what Chicago says. Imaginatorium (talk) 13:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Hello, this song is in F major or G-flat major ? (talk) 15:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be in F-major, if my piano and You-tube are not going wrong somewhere. (I wonder why you think I would know, other than by listening...?) Imaginatorium (talk) 17:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


Do you hear the difference ? (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Edit to Bach (cantata)[edit]

Hello, the "Hunt Cantata" thing was a major (and rather silly) mixup on my part; I've corrected that. I've also made it far more clear that the ref is from 1937 (the page numbers match in this case between the 1937 and 2005 editions); the 2005 ISBN works on Amazon, for what it's worth, but it's probably better to present the ref without it. Graham87 08:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


Why are you removing this from WP:MOS-JA? Nothing on the talk page (as you claim) remotely reflects that it should be removed. In fact, no one has given a shit about that discussion since August and no change has been made to the guideline which would be to remove that whole section in the first place.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I was merely tidying it up. See my comment on the talk page. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Stop "tidying it up" because I clearly disagree with you. Once you're reverted that does not mean you institute your change again. Why do I keep coming across people like yourself who refuse to keep in line with this piece of etiquette?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) "Why do I keep coming across people like yourself who refuse to keep in line with this piece of etiquette?"
It's best just to ignore Ryulong. He questions why any number of people who can calmly and reasonably discuss matters seem to become argumentative when they interact with him. He does not appear to understand that there is a very simple explanation for this. It's what Nathan the Prophet said to David in 2 Samuel 12:7 --Shirt58 (talk) 13:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thames and Severn Canal edit[edit]

I have replied to your query on my talk page. PMLawrence (talk) 02:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Year Article Header[edit]

I'm not sure what's wrong because it makes no sense. I put in a change and it didn't work, so I reverted the template back to its old value, but for some reason the changed version is being cache-locked, and despite the fact I changed them it's locking the cached version in place and even though the template was changed it's ignoring the changed version and using the prior change. But editing a year page does get the corrected template and it's correct. So I have no idea why when I make a change it takes it and applies it immediately but when I change it again the change is ignored.

Look at the following for 2020: 2020 (MMXX) will be a leap year starting on Wednesday of the Gregorian calendar, the 2020th year of the Common Era (CE) and Anno Domini (AD) designations, the 20th year of the 3rd millennium, the 20th year of the 21st century, and the 1st year of the 2020s decade.

Yet go to 2020 and it's wrong. But edit 2020 and it's correct, but cancel edit and it's back to the old one. It's like it caches the old, incorrect format and won't go back. So even if I edit it ignores the edit and keeps the change. But then a new change is not incorporated. It makes no sense at all. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 17:47, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the caching problem has cleared, it's probably on a medium schedule, i.e. to keep from having to keep reloading an otherwise stable (or unstable) template, it has to be quiescent for 1/2 an hour to "stick." I also know why there was such a horrible problem, I was using a template that had the wrong information. What I will do is build a new set of templates to do testing, then once I know it does work I'll replace the original ones with the ones I know work. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Clarinet Quintet (Täglichsbeck)[edit]

Actually there are a lot of articles like this, even for well known composers, see: String Quintet No. 2 (Mendelssohn) for example.

My philosopy with articles like this is what Wikipedia's philosphy is supposed to be, namely "...write it and they will come...", the information exists, someone just needs to make the effort to supply it.

Graham1973 (talk) 14:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Please understand first, I'm in favour of your contribution, not against it. But I do not think one can really consider a description of a single work (movements, tempo, duration, basic stuff really) as being an encyclopedia *article*. As you say, there are many pages like this (though this is the weakest of arguments!) and for large-scale, or super-significant works there may be a page and a half (as it were) of article to be written about them. For major composers, descriptions of all the works would obviously not fit in a single page, but even then I think a well-written article on Mendelssohn's chamber works would be better (though much harder to write) than lots of bitty pages like the one above. And for minor composers, the significant works could easily fit into a main article.
So I think this would be better merged into the composer article. Incidentally, I noticed it in the "New pages" list because it is an "Orphan", so currently it is almost guaranteed not to be read. I don't know how to do a "merge", other than by copying the content into the composer page, then suggesting deletion of the work page... perhaps I should look around the Music Project pages for suggestions.
Please reply here, to keep the discussion together. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Die biene Maja[edit]

What happened to this page? It is interesting... Would like to know what it means....please undelete it!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know that speedy deletion is really needed here. The article would be a valid redirect to Maya the Bee if only Asylum would not vandalize the content after the redirect syntax. I have engaged them on this matter to no avail, and so have opened an issue at WP:ANI. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, I did not understand your message as it got deleted. Can you repost?? Hugs and love....

XOXXO — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Japanese company names[edit]

Thank you for correcting the names of the companies. What happened was that I mixed up the names (the Japanese ones) after obtaining them. I will be more careful in the future. Silver gasman (talk) 18:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Yoroshiku Mechadoc[edit]

Hello Imaginatorium, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Yoroshiku Mechadoc, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It's in English. WP:A2 would apply if it was ja:よろしくメカドック copied without translation. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 05:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Trust me, I would really like to have deleted this... but someone's probably got this in their DVD collection, all neatly arranged by date, genre and production house... --Shirt58 (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
There is this. -- Hoary (talk) 05:41, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on this. (I just became involved when I tried to link to 'Cotswold escarpment' and found it didn't exist.) I very much support merging together of stubby articles like the one on "Cotswold stone", but just a couple of things I have noticed on this page, which you might be able to take into consideration.

  • First, I really don't think that (unlike Wenlock Edge, for example) the Cotswold escarpment is usually referred to as an "Edge": there are more googits for "C Edge", but usually as the name of a golf club or similar. But the term "Cotswold escarpment" is very much used to refer to the large-scale geologic feature, with the dip slope going way to the East, Oxford or beyond. I think there could be a better geological/geographical overview of the shape. Perhaps a map...
  • I also see some publication claims that the northern Cotswold stone is "darker". This seems an odd choice of word: it is very distinctly yellower, but this is done with the "Saturation" control, not "Luminance".

HTH. I grew up in Painswick, by the way. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this. The wording is pretty much what I found in the Cotswold stone article. I haven't yet done any research on it, but will look into those aspects you mention. I'm having a long weekend in the Cotswolds next month, so thought I'd do some research on it before going there. I haven't looked very deeply yet, so there is something that is puzzling me - what is it that defines a place as being in the Cotswolds? I am suspecting it is the limestone bedrock. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I just looked up Cotswold Edge, and found these: [1], [2], [3], [4]. It appears to be a fairly common usage. The article could do with a detailed geological description such as you mention, and perhaps mention Edge as the local name for the escarpment. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Alexandros (band)[edit]

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nihongo template[edit]

Hi Brian! Tom here. I added a comment on the nihongo template to your comment on the Ikiryō entry in Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. I think this the preferred method, in case people don't have Asian fonts installed, because in addition to the kanji etc. it displays a link to instructions on how to install the fonts. Margin1522 (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello Brian, I'm an italian user of wikipedia (Sakretsu) and I'm looking for someone who can help me translating this text from English to Japanese. It's an example request for permission to use copyrighted pictures, but unfortunately there is no japanese version available yet. I'd really appreciate if you could do this favour to me since it's really hard to find someone who knows japanese really well. I'm sorry if I have bothered you. Thank you for your attention.--Sakretsu (talk) 10:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Help with Japanese[edit]

Hello Imaginatorium, I am a user of the Italian Wikipedia (too) and I'd like a translation from Japanese. Unfortunately, there are no more many users who can speak Japanese on the Italian Wikipedia. Could you please translate into English what this page says? The four boxes on the left are the most important part, but I think the two lines on the top, the things said by the two guys and the last lines coul be useful too.
I've already made this page about the movie, but I've written that it's only a film based on Inazuma Eleven that lasts 50 minutes. However, from that officiale website it seems that the film is made of four parts based on different anime, and the Inazuma Eleven part only lasts 23 minutes! Since I'm making some pages about Little Battlers Experience too, I need to know about the other parts.
Can you also give me some clarification about ダンボール戦機, the original title of Little Battlers eXperience? Is ダンボール "cardboard" in general or "cardboard box"? Is the translation "Cardboard War Machines" right? In Italian "Cardboard War Machines" sounds like "War machines made of cardboard", that's not exactly what can be seen in the video game. If I could translate it with "War machines in a cardboard box" it would be better. Or should I translate it with "War machines in cardboard", without "box"?
Thank you very much in advance
P.S. can I correct some things written in bad Italian on your Italian user page?
Please answer me here --Lombres (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. Problem is the "battlers" are NOT made of cardboard in the video game: they are made of plastic and metal! So it necessarily refers to the material the boxes they fight in are made of! I know the Italian word order is just the opposite of the Japanese one, so it can't mean "una scatola per le macchine", but there are things like "macchine nella scatola". As you can see here, Because they fought within the cardboard, they came to be called “Cardboard Warriors." (that I think is a translation of "Danbōru senki"). I'll translate it with something like "Le macchine da guerra del cartone", because "di cartone" would mean that they're made of cardboard, that's not true.
the other problem is "ball". We can't know wether it was written voluntarily or the person who registered the domain made a mistake. I don't think it is "unimaginable" that "danball" is meant to be a pun (gioco di parole), because there are many things like that in the titles of anime and video games, especially in the titles of anime and video games for children. Anyway, if we don't have a reliable source, only what we can see can be written on Wikipedia, so I'm forced to write "Danball" and explain everything with a footnote. I know it's ugly to see, but there's nothing I can do.
I don't need the other translations anymore because I've found it explained in a much simpler way. I'll correct your page (mi scuso di scrivere in inglese!) --Lombres (talk) 18:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to RfD[edit]

Dear Imaginatorium,

One of the nice things about WP:RFD is that we don't have much "procedure" as such and tend to argue things on their merits. Of course, as everywhere, there are regulars and we get their style, and so we can argue in shorthand (maybe you can use musical notation) which is like any club.

But I for one are really pleased to see you here contributing. Don't worry about the "rules", there really aren't any, we all try to think "what would readers expect to find?" It is very interesting because there are such a range of topics. I am something of a linguist but really just a boring software engineer, others know about sport or arts and stuff, and it is very friendly, with the usual to–and–fro.

I don't think we have a music buff much, so please do look in. please, if we in our ignorance misunderstand some technical music term, put us right: we are just the boys in the band and we need a conductor! Si Trew (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

(sings) We are the boys, who make all the noise, we never give the singers a chance/ Pick any key (we only know D) cos we are the boys in the band....


Stop accusing me of vandalism every time you don't like one of my edits.BassHistory (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Utente:Devbug/Sandbox/Giorgio Starace[edit]

Oh yes, sorry I created Utente:Devbug/Sandbox/Giorgio_Starace by mistake. I now created it under my Sandbox. Can you delete the wrong one (I don't think I can do it)?


--Devbug (talk) 14:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I marked it for deletion, so I think it will happen eventually. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Abelian Group[edit]

The WP:Also article reads, in part, "As a general rule, the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." I think the general idea is to keep articles as simple as possible, i.e, not repeat things too much. That is why I reverted the link from the "See also" section of Abelian group. Happy editing! — Anita5192 (talk) 00:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Changed my mind[edit]

on the encyclopedicity of that cogno-intellectually significant unit, the dash. See my apostasy. -- Hoary (talk) 02:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Interlinear interpolations[edit]

-- such as this: usually a bad idea, even if done scrupulously and politely. It may seem to the interpolator to be more efficient and comprehensible than any alternative way of responding, but it's borderline acceptable at best according to some guideline that I'm too sleepy to look for right now, and it usually gets up the nose of the interpolatee. You may wish to self-revert and find a different way to express this. -- Hoary (talk) 14:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I considered that, but given that the only other way is to make a copy, I went to used the させていただきます form then realised it doesn't exist. Well, a peep of protest and can easily make a copy and restore the pristine original. I really cannot understand the tenacity of my interlocutor. Wonderful word that. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I have trouble understanding the allegations of hostility against inexperienced but well meaning contributors. (And therefore this.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

"Interlocutor" I meant. Well, well. Carping, indeed. I'm going back to green now. I begin to see why, except in extreme circumstances it's easier not to delete, but just redirect. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind[edit]

Hope you don't mind my adding a note to User:Imaginatorium/Cardarelli. I could have just left a note for you on the talk page - would you rather I did that if I come up with anything else? NebY (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

No, please go ahead and edit the Cardarelli page. Thanks for finding the TOC! Imaginatorium (talk) 07:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, will do when I've looked at the Greek, Roman and English sections a bit more, and I've added a correction suggestion on the talk page. NebY (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Imaginatorium/Cardarelli[edit]

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Simply wrong[edit]

Well Sir, what pray is "simply wrong" with this (or indeed this)? -- Hoary (talk) 10:14, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, firstly, closed class words are all one-offs, so it is not productive to niggle about classification. How many errors do you want? Here's one, anyway. He claims that a property of a conjunction C is that <sentence1> C <sentence2> means the same as <sentence2> C <sentence1>, because for example "A and B" is the same as "B and A". Well, he is falling into the standard trap of thinking that properties of logical operators with the same name also apply to natural language: logical AND is certainly commutative, but is not (at all!) what "and" means. For example, these are completely different:
  • I had my supper and went to bed.
  • I went to bed and had my supper.

It's true that the difference is clearer in the case of "because", but that's all. So that argument is entirely bogus. (As is a lot of the rest.) Imaginatorium (talk) 10:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, because of a convention whereby "[subject] [VP in past tense] and [VP in past tense]" has an implication of time relation between what's expressed in the VPs. Ditto for present tense, too: "I get up and brush my teeth" is not the same as "I brush my teeth and get up". We can switch subjects, too: "Hoary turns up at Imaginatorium's front door and Imaginatorium reaches for his thoughtfully positioned crowbar." You're doing well. One from among "the rest", please? -- Hoary (talk) 10:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
But more, much more. Even if it were the case that every conjunction except 'because' were commutative, it still makes no sense to pull out this property. Being a conjunction (or not) is a matter of syntax, not semantics. Geoff Pullum is a well-known linguist, even if I always muddle him up with Steve Pulman, and as I read this I sort of decided it must be a test for students, to see if they are awake or whether they just swallow whatever is fed to them. Then I felt tired, and couldn't be bothered to play the bluff-unbluff game. Anyway, announcing that all the dictionaries are wrong just isn't what linguists do, in general. Perfectly plausible to suggest a better categorisation of function words, but given the rather woolly nature of the definitions you can never really argue anything like this is "just wrong". Imaginatorium (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, this extraordinary idea that "because" is a preposition. Prepositions can take noun phrases ("of fish") or verb phrases ("of drinking"), but the verb phrase is always non-finite, n'est-ce-pas? (Or since I can't do the gerund(ive?) stuff, perhaps this is a verb nominal form.) Because normally takes a finite VP, because that's how English works. It cannot normally take a non-finite VP, because not thinking right.(*) Why not announce that "if" is a preposition too, and "But", and "not". Imaginatorium (talk) 15:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Steve Pul(l)man(n)? A new name to me. Announcing that all the dictionaries are wrong certainly isn't want most linguists do, but then most linguists weren't edjumacated in the school of hard knocks sorry I mean the Ram Jam Band, don't introduce themselves via a portrait with parrot, and haven't written the funniest linguistics book known to Hoary. Anyway, he doesn't just fire off squibs; he also coedits large reference books and fires off papers (relevantly, this one). Because normally takes either a PP starting with of ("because of Hoary's stupidity") or a finite clause ("because Hoary's stupid"). But whatevs, it's a preposition (see this again, pp 263–270. And if? There are two ifs: a subordinator ("I don't know if Hoary's stupid") and yes, a preposition ("We'll all die if Hoary's stupid"). ¶ ("This new learning amazes me, Prof Pullum. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.") -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


Inspired by a couple of AfDs, I've AfD'd Lacta and Stupping ton, edited Lea (unit), and redirected Ocean-ton. What a trail of mess that one editor with one lousy source has left for others to tidy up. The current country-by-country articles are pretty dreadful too, and s/he seems to have a rooted objection to including a link to the googlebooks-available ICT page which sources a lot of them. Ah well. Must get back to some Real Life jobs - so easy to spend far too much time here! PamD 11:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

And I've just found the rather splendid A Dictionary of Weights and Measures for the British Isles: The Middle Ages to the Twentieth Century published by the American Philosophical Society, 1985, which could be useful in clearing up some of the remaining British units. PamD 12:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Ah, yes, Zupko. I found this recently, and at least Zupko has fairly relevant credentials. But I did find a review somewhere saying how he had some pet theory on something or other, so while the book should be good for corroboration, I wouldn't trust it absolutely. You are right about the country entries. Mozambican units of measurement‎ was PRODded, which of course is hopeless, so I just AfDed (if that's the correct spelling) it. I have also AfDed Australia, and Belgium is coming up as somewhere else with no genuine "Belgian" units. Imaginatorium (talk) 12:29, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

User Box WP Japan[edit]

  • Update: Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Participants had the membership roster, so you can ignore the following "form letter" I've been sending. But I guess one tip is that you can incorporate all your other User Box into your {{Babel}} box using the specia-boxes field. -- Kiyoweap.

Hi. I have a discussion up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Membership Roll? which concerns users who display {{User WikiProject Japan}} on their user page.

If I can get consensus, I would like to list you all under Category:WikiProject Japan participants. As of now, you will not be listed unless you switch to (or add) the other User box {{User WP Japan}}.

And if you really do not want to get listed, would you still mind switching to the other User box and use the feature that suppresses listing?
If you don't want to be listed, replace {{User WikiProject Japan}} with {{User WP Japan|nocat=true}}, or on your {{Babel}} replacing your |WikiProject Japan| with |special-boxes={{User WP Japan|nocat=true}}|
Thanks.--Kiyoweap (talk) 11:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Potential edit warring in When Marnie Was There[edit]

Hello, you're invited and express your views on Talk:When Marnie Was There#Edits reverted without adding summary. Jotamide (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Where to put a deletion vote[edit]

I think that if you make a vote after a note appears indicating where a deletion discussion page, you're supposed to place it under the note, so I fixed it in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Double circulatory system That's how they do it in all those other deletion discussion pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science. The only time you're supposed to add a comment or vote that's not at the bottom of the page is when you're replying to someone else. See Help:Using talk pages#Indentation because its rules also apply to deletion discussion pages. Blackbombchu (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

OK -- thanks for sorting this out. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Deal (unit)[edit]

Hello, I got your message on Wiktionary last night. Please check out what I have said. Also, I have added citations to the Wikipedia article (the same ones I did to the Wiktionary entry). More citations along those lines can be found here. It appears that, in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, deals were pieces of wood between 12 and 14 feet long that were traded as commodities and likely used in shipbuilding. I have removed the reference to firewood, and it now just reads "wood". pbp 15:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I think you misunderstood my edit to the above. Yes, a guinea (21 shillings) is divisable by 21, 7, 9, etc. but when used in calculating amounts dividing (mental arithmetic) by 7 was useful = 3 shillings. Dividing by 9 had no logical reason (= 2 shillings and 4 pence). Anyway, sorry if I offended. Denisarona (talk) 10:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Cheryl's birthday[edit]

What's the matter, you don't like a simple answer to a complicated riddle? I don't see anything wrong with what I posted? Angusbullet (talk) 15:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

That's what I figured......a troll — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angusbullet (talkcontribs) 15:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Mother Teresa[edit]

Hello Imaginatorium,

Do you believe that Mother Terasa was only criticized for her pro-life views, or do you believe she was also praised for these same views?

Currently, I believe this article has undue weight by claiming that Teresa was criticized for her stance (which is true), however it does not include the fact that she was also praised. Moreover, I agree with your earlier comments you made on the talk page, where you recommended that this section should be entitled reception (as opposed to criticism or praise which are both biased terms). I therefore believe we should follow your suggestion, and move this content to the reception section in order to avoid any unintentional bias. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 20:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

About Lorand[edit]

Did you read source?--Takahiro4 (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, of course I did. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


Consensus is not English.Please see this.[5].Explain this.[6]--Takahiro4 --Takahiro4 (talk) 09:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


Chinese influence on Korean culture is a work in progress. I hope to some day bring it to GA status similarly to Ariwara no Narihira, though. If you have any advice on how it could be improved, it would be most appreciated. Hijiri 88 (やや) 10:00, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Conversion of units[edit]

Hi Imaginatorium. Can you please explain why you deleted our external link You have commented with: (Good faith, but not verifiable (or comprehensive) source). So, what is not comprehensive or verifiable? is a unit converter. It would be very nice if you re-add our link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

The net is awash with similar sites. How should we choose one or two to add to this page, or should we have any? Anyone can make such a conversion site: there is no guarantee of even basic accuracy, and it is not very easy to use. Anyway, Wikipedia is not a showcase for this kind of contribution. Imaginatorium (talk) 10:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

If this is your opinion, then you have to remove also the external link "Online Unit Conversion Website Convert any unit from and to other units."! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:22, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi there! Please don't delete third-party edits on other editors' talk-pages (as you did on mine) - that is a bit of a no-no. If I don't like anything, I'll delete it myself. Best, - --Smerus (talk) 08:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

There seems to be a bit of confusion here: as far as I can see I have never edited your talk page, and the deletion was done by User:Intelligentsium (hope I've spelled it right)... (There was a bit of other confusion because I forgot to sign the comment on the DYK proposal. Sorry about that!) Imaginatorium (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Oopsie - 1000 aplogies!!! - I must learn to take a deep breath and check my coordinates before whingeing!--Smerus (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Trademark Act[edit]

Don't Violate Trademark Act of Japanese Law. And stop reverting without any single reliable source, which is not existing in 2016. I added reliable lawful link. who wrote texts were not me but other writers. Shiho-Shoshi is registered as Solicitor since 2007. Here's those English link. I have improved Wikipedia with reliable sources.


If you violate Trademark Act, you are punished in Japanese Law of Trademark Act. Article 78 An infringer of a trademark right or an exclusive right to use (excluding one who has committed an act that shall be deemed to constitute infringement of a trademark right or an exclusive right to use under Article 37 or Article 67) shall be punished by imprisonment with work for a term not exceeding ten years or a fine not exceeding 10,000,000 yen or combination thereof. Legal8462 (talk) 05:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Shiho-shoshi(Solicitor)Profile" (PDF).
  2. ^ "Solicitor\ソリシター Jan 5th, 2007 日本司法書士会連合会(Japan Federation of Shiho-shoshi's Associations)".
Your interlocutor writes:
"Shiho-Shoshi is registered as Solicitor since 2007."
The latter makes no more sense to me than does the former. (By contrast, 「司法書士は職業として商標登録されています」 would at least make sense.) But perhaps my poor Japanese is to blame. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hebdo-[edit]

Mind reverting that your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hebdo- as withdraw? Per WP:NACD: "Closing your own withdrawn nomination as a speedy keep", is okay, "when all other viewpoints were for keep as well." A user suggested a merge, so that isn't the case. Further discussion may be beneficial, and could result in a different outcome.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your note; I was trying to be cooperative, but see I fell foul of a technicality. I'm quite happy to revert the closure (how would I do that?), but really speaking I would like to suggest either merging into the metric prefix article (as that user suggested), or moving to a separate stub hebdometre, which is all that there is actual evidence for. How do you suggest I should proceed? Imaginatorium (talk) 08:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Simply hitting the undue button and leaving a note that you reverted the close is all that would need to be done to revert the close. You can suggest the rest of the things you mentioned there.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I only seem to have made 2 of the required 3 edits, so I reverted both. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Interested in translating Cannabis Museum (Japan) or Cannabis in Japan[edit]

Thanks for the help with the Japanese transcription. I've noticed that a large number of languages lack any article specifically on cannabis for their country. Would you be interested in doing a quick translation of Cannabis Museum (Japan) or Cannabis in Japan to help build up Japanese Wikipedia? That'd be helpful for me too since if the Japanese version expands, I can capture the new data/sources with GoogleTranslate and reciprocally help build the English version. Just a suggestion, thanks! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

A Red, Red Rose[edit]

Apologies for restoring the vandalism on the poem. I got my dates and edits wrong and thought the anon was *adding* the errors.

Thank you for catching my error.

KNHaw (talk) 18:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem. The editor who first removed the vandalism used a witty edit summary, which unfortunately is probably not a good idea. Imaginatorium (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Benefit of the doubt[edit]

As far as I can tell you're a legitimate editor so I didn't challenge your reversion of my edit on Classification of the Japonic languages - I do, however, take some offense at your characterization of that one particular edit as "vandalism." As far as I can tell, while I can see how that particular edit could have added further confusion, it doesn't qualify under Wikipedia:Vandalism as vandalism. You could have even called it original research (which was also partly true, based on my own personal command of Korean and grasp of Japanese, though I could probably find references to demonstrate the validity of that particular statement) and I wouldn't have challenged it much. But vandalism it is not.Ecthelion83 (talk) 21:35, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I think you missed something: I reverted two edits -- one was vandalism by an IP, the other was yours. But anyway I would be happy to talk about this on the talk page. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:55, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Japanese Units article[edit]

We have a an editor new to this article who has taken it upon himself to make some major edits. Please help in the discussion, so as to reach a consensus. Rhialto (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


for the passive aggressive and WP:CANVASSing way that you got roped in to the discussion at Japanese units. Thank you very much for your time and straightforward advice and corrections.

You had asked about translating kan as "string". I can point you to some sources who used it since they had the same problem I did: how to tersely translate the idea of "the weight of a string of 1000 small coins". You're probably right that it's too misleading, even if we had a kan article to use for an explanatory link. I'll just gloss it as the "shaku–kan system" and, if you think of or come across a better way to phrase it, lemme know. — LlywelynII 18:50, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


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Disruptive editing[edit]

You just undid an edit I made with the summary "PLease discuss before removing material". There is never any requirement or obligation for anyone to discuss anything before removing anything. If you have a reason to believe the material should not be removed, you need to say what it is. You couldn't be bothered to think of a reason, so your edit appears to have been purely disruptive. (talk) 13:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Cyrillization of Japanese moved to draftspace[edit]

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When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready to be published, you can move it back to the article space yourself. However, I recommend that instead of moving it yourself that you follow the prompts on the Articles for Creation template that I have added to the page. This submits the article to be reviewed by experienced editors that specialize in helping new editors write their first articles. Edaham (talk) 08:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Edaham: Thanks. Well, I did not really "create" this article; and I do not think that your changes help. The problem is this: there should (obviously, I suppose) be an article about the Cyrillization of Japanese (cf. Romanization of Japanese); there was an existing article with this title, but it was (a) not very good and (b) exclusively about the Polivanov system, which is just one specifically Russian system. User:Piznajko changed the title to "Polivanov system", and argued when I moved it back: I think it needs to be made into a decent article about the natural topic, and also this move meant that the Template:Cyrillization showed a list of language plus "Polivanov system", which is not going to be understood by most people with knowledge of or interest in Japanese. As a compromise I made this stub article, to which the Cyrillization template now links. Although the article needs a lot of work it is thus the vital link in the chain. Moving it to Draft seems quite inappropriate and liable to cause more problems.
Incidentally, I see you did the same to Multiscriptualism, but here I think a sensible discussion (do we have these on WP?) is needed whether such a term even exists in any real sense, and whether it is worthy of an article, since it is merely a statement of the utterly obvious. FWIW, I'm quadriscriptual, I claim, because I read Roman letters, musical notation, Japanese script, and (Russian) cyrillic, in that order, but so what? Imaginatorium (talk) 09:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
if you include two sources which demonstrate notability, you can move it back to the main space yourself. I have no idea about the subject you are talking about. Articles generally require a minimum of two reliable sources. Edaham (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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Oxford uses a slightly different scheme for English IPA than Wikipedia (the so called Upton's scheme). See this explanation by John C. Wells. Given the range of various dialects, it's a matter of convention mostly, and the phoneme transcribed by Oxford as /ʌɪ/ is the same one as the one traditionally transcribed as /aɪ/ (including by Wikipedia and by Wells's own dictionary). So I converted it to the convention for IPA used by Wikipedia. Ausir (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

"[[Shan Shui (poet)]] - can't find page"[edit]

I think you meant "[[Shan Shui ss|Shan Shui]]". -- Hoary (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Torento-no-kami Edits[edit]

I've been looking through the other edits by everyone who's added or restored the bogus content, and I noticed a pattern:

Lacewing larva, Everglades National Park, Homestead, Florida.jpg
Lacewing larva, Everglades National Park, Homestead, Florida

An almost compulsive tendency to grab content from random pages to put in their own user pages (though nothing of the sort for Special:Contributions/ or Special:Contributions/ It strikes me as sort of like the way certain insects camouflage themselves with stuff they pick up from their environment. It may also help to explain the meaningless things they link to and say.

At any rate, if their all coincidentally appearing from nowhere in the past week or so and their bizarre common interest in a non-existent Japanese minor deity isn't enough to justify a sock-puppet investigation, this peculiar quirk might help. Of course, most may be blockable for copyvio and/or impersonation, but I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia rules. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Please also look at the AfD for Torento-no-kami.. but in the latest development, our friends seem to have decided to give up, for now at least. I'm not sure whether to pursue this or not... Imaginatorium (talk) 03:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Assuming good faith - Truthspeakerknows (talk) 23:37, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Impersonating others is not good faith. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 06:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
My take on this is they thought they were operating under the radar and they don't like the exposure. As for whether to continue: I haven't used my checkuser tools on their Wiktionary edits because the privacy policy only allows it to prevent vandalism and similar damage to the wiki. I'm sure Wikipedia checkusers would be equally reluctant- unless there was evidence for potential for more like this in the future. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


Looks like you made a friend.

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Talk:IPA (disambiguation)[edit]

Sorry to be harping on about this, but could you explain why you have !voted for keeping IPA a redirect to the article about the Alphabet while saying that "it is not entirely clear what IPA stands for"? It's not like I'm trying to change your mind but I just want to understand what I'm missing. Thank you. Nardog (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Greetings there. Please, try to think about this statement completly (my phrase has been used in bold)[edit]

Albert and Bernard just become friends with Cheryl, and they want to know when her birthday is. Cheryl gives them a list of 10 possible dates:
May 15 16 19
June 17 18
July 14 16
August 14 15 17
Cheryl then tells Albert and Bernard separately the month and the day of her birthday respectively. 
Albert: I don't know when Cheryl's birthday is, but I know that Bernard oould to know it.
Bernard: At first I don't know when Cheryl's birthday is, but I know now.
Albert: Then I also know when Cheryl's birthday is.
So when is Cheryl's birthday?
comments: I'm sure this enunciate have sense about the riddle. Anyway you are free to understand it right or not.
Nice to know you.

Editorial help[edit]

I've roughed out two restored sections for Daoism–Taoism romanization issue. If you have the time and interest, would you please look at them? Thanks, Keahapana (talk) 01:06, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'm afraid that I do not agree with your currect editing strategy at all. The way language works is that when a word is "borrowed" (personally I prefer to say "stolen", because they are never given back in the original condition), its pronunciation is adapted to the phonology of the target language. So the syllable "tao" in "Taoism" is pronounced with an aspirated 't', because initial unaspirated 't' is not part of an English speaker's repertoire. Do you think that somehow English speakers should all learn to do an initial unaspirated 't' just for this word? Or do you think this word should be pronounced with an initial 'd' (just a different mistake; seems crazy)? Or do you think this word should be replaced with another word? Please respond to the comment on the talk page. Thanks! Imaginatorium (talk) 03:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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