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ARCHIVE PAGE 10: October 2008

Mollusk products category

Hi Intertzoo. I initially created and populated the subcategories of Category:Animal products with an eye to animal products that are of some particular use to humans. This includes the mollusk products category. Possibly a solution would be to have broader categories for all "products", and a subcategory for those of use to humans. However, if you can't find a better place for these fine articles, I certainly do not object to keeping them where they are for now. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pharos. Thank you so much for your very kind words. If I am remembering correctly, I met you last year at the Wikipedia event in NYC, the part at the AMNH? Yes, I had wondered if you actually meant only those mollusk products that are useful to people. I don't really know if things like pseudofeces and love darts are can legitimately be called "products" at all. Certainly they are produced by mollusks, so they are indeed "products of mollusks", but maybe it is not quite legitimate to call them "mollusk products". To be honest, I don't mind if you take them out of that category altogether, that's OK with me, or if you create a subcategory for products of use to humans, as you suggested. I will respect whatever way you think is the best way to handle this. I just couldn't work out myself what was the right thing to do. Maybe they need to be in a new category such as mollusk anatomy or mollusk physiology or mollusk behavior or something. Best to you. Invertzoo (talk) 21:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC) Added links Invertzoo (talk) 21:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember meeting you at the AMNH; I think the group of us went through the water exhibit together. BTW, our next event is Sunday November 16. I've decided to try my hand at creating and populating Category:Mollusc anatomy; I hope this is useful to you. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Pharos, I think this Category:Mollusc anatomy is a really great idea! Thanks a bunch, not only for thinking of it, but for for setting it up and populating it! Eventually if it grows really big it can be divided into gastropod anatomy, bivalve anatomy, etc. Oh, and by the way, I don't know if I will make it to the Columbia meet-up, this is such a busy time of year, but at any rate, thanks for reminding me about it. Invertzoo (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


It was Sarah Palin's husband. (Surprise, surprise!) You can check it out yourself here. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I see! Highly educational no doubt! Thanks, BorgQueen for all you do in general! Invertzoo (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Gastropod description from old books

A list for comparisons and for verifying according new sources too:

Hi Snek, I went through all three articles and did some clean-up. I will look at them again tomorrow morning. Invertzoo (talk) 00:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

New articles and an update!

Is Viviparus georgianus good for DYK? Something like this: ...Viviparus georgianus is native in southeastern USA, but nonindigenous in northern USA and in Canada? Feel free to propose it for DYK with image. Thank you. --Snek01 (talk) 16:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Snek, It seems like a good article and a good tagline too, although I would make the tagline: "that the freshwater snail Viviparus georgianus is native in southeastern USA, but nonindigenous in northern USA and in Canada?". Actually I have not yet worked out how to submit an article to the DYK section, Geronimo did that on Love darts and on Pseudofeces. I could look up how to do it, or maybe you could...? It is OK to submit it yourself. It will have to be submitted today or tomorrow. I sprained my ankle yesterday so I am resting a lot today. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Snek, I went ahead and submitted it at [1]. I put it in at the top of the list for articles which were started on Oct 17th. I don't know if they will think it is interesting enough, but hey, it is worth a try. Invertzoo (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi again Snek, I went to the article and cleaned up the prose. It's good. Well done with all the hard work! By the way, you can't really say with Truncatella that it lives "in the waters off of ----", because this snail is only semi-marine, it lives at or right above the high tide level and only gets wet maybe once or twice a day at most. Many people would regard Truncatella as a land snail. Good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 21:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I had doubts about that phrase, it is the same as in USGS website. I forgot to mention it for you. I regard Truncatella as a land too. Thanks for correction. --Snek01 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I went and took a look at it and cleaned up the prose a bit. As for the info, is this what you mean "-- PLEASE CHECK YEAR AND AUTHORS ACCORDING TO A BOOK or according to a PDF file, there are mistakes in reference descriptions at -- " Invertzoo (talk) 22:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles expanded

Yes Snek, it looks very good! Rather a favorite snail of mine too! Invertzoo (talk) 23:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me, it's another of my favorite snails. By the way, today I am putting together a new article on one of my subpages, it's going to be a list of the non-marine mollusks of the British Isles. I am extracting information from one of Michael Kerney's books. I worked with him on the mapping of the non-marine mollusks of Britain and Ireland in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. So I am really enjoying your work on these creatures. Invertzoo (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC) Added a link to the finished article, Invertzoo (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Snek, I cleaned up the prose in the article just now as best as I can for now. As for DYK, how about:

(Did you know) ...that the freshwater snail Radix auricularia, common name the big-ear radix, has blue blood, feeds on detritus, and can tolerate anoxic conditions?

I think that is better than:

(Did you know) ...that the freshwater snail Radix auricularia, common name the big-ear radix, can serve as a host for more than 13 different parasites, some of which can infect humans?

I had no internet connection all day until we got a new modem just now! Talk to you tomorrow, Invertzoo (talk) 00:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Anoxic is a good idea. How about this?

Lymnea auricularia1pl.jpg

...that the freshwater snail Radix auricularia (pictured), common name the big-ear radix, can tolerate anoxic conditions and is vector for a diverse range of parasites? --Snek01 (talk) 08:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Snek, Sure, you can go with that if you like, but to my mind, it does not have as much "general appeal" as the first one. The DYK links are supposed to be catchy and appeal to the "average reader". Your one is very nice, but appeals more to biologists I think. When you put one up for consideration on the DYK page, it seems that you can give one or two alternative versions if you like, many people do so. Geronimo has very good instincts on the "public relations" side of this kind of thing you can even ask him if you like. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 14:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this one looks very nice! Invertzoo (talk) 22:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Both excellent Snek. Well done! I have cleaned up the prose on both of them. Invertzoo (talk) 13:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Very nice! Good work! Today I have gone through the lists for Great Britain and Ireland fine-tuning them a bit. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Very good! I cleaned up the prose. Excellent work Snek! Thank you, Invertzoo (talk) 23:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Invertzoo,
Looks to me that you are the only one, who glad I'm back. :=) I'm thinking about you, when I take underwater images. Here are two images I took in Kona Image:Tide pool shells in Kona 2.jpg and Image:Tide pool shells in Kona.jpg. These shells are found under the rocks, and of course I make sure to put the rocks as they were after I took images. This image from Papua New Guinea might have some interest to you, if you have not seen it before Image:Corals sea worms.JPG. Thank you for the barnstar! I do not think I deserve it.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mila, the shells under the rocks are a species of Isognomon a cousin of the pearl oysters, but as yet I don't know which species it is. There is a similar species in the Caribbean that also lives under rocks like that. The Papua New Guinea image is fantastic! What colors! What shapes! And yes of course you deserve the Barnstar: you are a fountain of great images. Invertzoo (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, Invertzoo. It is great you liked my picture As you could see it was rejected, when I nominated it to get FP status on Commons for the very same reasons you liked it. I just like, when people are talking about colors of something that they have never seen in a real life, or even in aquariums, or even on the pictures.Whatever...So, I kind of got tiered of Commons reviewers and left Commons hopefully for good.That's why I upload my images now only to English Wikipedia and only about 1/10 of the images I used to upload before. I uploaded the shells only for you because I know you like the shells, otherwise these image would have been deleted without sharing them with anybody.BTW here's one more shell Image:Corals and shell.JPG from Papua New Guinea.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry they did not like "Corals sea worms". I thinks perhaps they don't like modern art either... Thanks so much for the shell pictures, I will put them into an article as soon as I can. I don't get to be underwater very often, especially in the tropics, and I love marine life, so I really enjoy your pictures. And anyway they are very beautiful and full of life. At least I think so. Invertzoo (talk) 21:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Viviparus georgianus

Updated DYK query On 24 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Viviparus georgianus, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Allen3 talk 10:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

A new category for mollusk anatomy

Hi Snek, user Pharos just now created this category [2]. I think it will be useful to us. Invertzoo (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Irish Non-marine Mollusca

Glad you stated this.Hope I can help with a few suggestions and hopefully a few pics sometime.All the best from the Emerald Isle Robert aka Notafly (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Robert/Notafly, Hi excellent entomologist person! Invertebrates Rule! Thanks for noticing the List of non-marine molluscs of Ireland. I am still working on that article, it's a little bit in rough shape still. Actually back in 1972 I helped map the non-marine mollusks of a fairly large part of Ireland, I very much enjoyed that visit. To have some actual Irish illustrations would be very nice, but if you just want some photos of the species with the article, there are quite a few pics available already that can be used to illustrate it, that is, if you would like to put them in. It might take me quite a while to get round to doing that. If you are interested, take a look at what Snek used in the article: List of non-marine molluscs of the Czech Republic, plus, any species link on the list that is blue might be worth checking to see if there is a photo you can copy if you want to. In any case, if you have any suggestions or contributions on any aspect of this article, I would be very grateful! Very best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I put a link in to Invertebrate Ireland (project inactive at present).Take a look.Copyright issues with these pics but I can get others I hope.Let me think about all of this and then I'll get back to you.Robert Notafly (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Illustrations. That looks very well indeed.Do you happen to know anything about Major E.R. Sheppard R.A. FLS who described around seven molluscs?I can't find much at all.Best regards Robert Notafly (talk) 08:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Again Robert, Glad you like the way the images look in the article. By the way I am not a professional malacologist, more of a keen amateur. Here in NYC, the AMNH malacology section has been shut down for nearly 3 years, so I have no one there to ask about things. So, Major E.R. Sheppard named Pisidium henslowanum in 1823 did he? That is long enough ago to make records a bit sketchy. I see he is not listed in "2,400 years of Malacology" at [3], in that reference there is only one Sheppard listed, a Philip Macdonald Sheppard. Do you think maybe the Royal Academy would have a little info on E.R. Sheppard? Or the FLS? Or the Linnean Society, who published his original descriptions? If I can perhaps manage to get in contact with Michael Kerney in London, I can ask if he knows anything about him. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 14:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


Should the article Columella (mollusk) be renamed to Columella (mollusc) to have the name similar to other articles in Category:Mollusc anatomy? (If yes, only an administrator can rename it, because both exist now.) --Snek01 (talk) 13:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that seems like a good idea. We can maybe ask JoJan to rename it. Invertzoo (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Decollate snail

Hi, I've uploaded my photos to commons, Image:Decollate_snail1.jpg and Image:Decollate_snail2.jpg. The photos were taken in Austin, Texas --CTho (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

New articles

This one needed only a little bit of work, a bit of tweaking and create a few links, mostly it was fine. You are very prolific! Well done! Invertzoo (talk) 23:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK propsal:

Elimia virginica

  • Elimia virginica - an article full of interesting facts! I have got a problem with a word "jeopardize" and/or how to use a better word and/or a wikilink from that word. --Snek01 (talk) 20:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, I went through the article, and yes it is very interesting. I got rid of the word Jeopardize even though it is not a problem word in English really. I also removed the word "Withdrawn" as an adjective applied to the operculum. What is it supposed to mean here? If you can explain it to me perhaps I can put it back in but word it better. Invertzoo (talk)

There is no need to delete words that I do not understand. By the way, I am now a bit clever. LOL.
What about these DYK?
  • ... that although population grow of Elimia virginica is among the lowest in rivers, it colonized new areas in Great Lakes drainage. --Snek01 (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

--Snek01 (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Those two DYK hooks both need re-writing, because right now, they really don't read well at all, so let me see if I can improve them for you. Please give me an hour or so, as I have to have dinner in a few minutes. As for the "withdrawn" thing, I am the one who is dim-witted, really I am, if withdrawn means something like the operculum is held in the shell when the animal locomotes, (?) please tell me and I will write in what you say. Plus I only got rid of the word "Jeopardize" because I thought you wanted me to, I can easily put it back if you like? Your English is really great compared to my Czech (language) which is zero unfortunately! Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 23:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

How do these sound to you?

  • ... that even though the rate of population growth of the snail Elimia virginica is among the lowest in rivers, still it was able to colonize new areas in the Great Lakes drainage.

Best, Invertzoo (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought that withdrawn mean, that the operculum is not at the edge of aperture but that it is a bit inside in the shell. But I am not sure because I have not proof. Maybe I am wrong. It is only written here [4].

Simlified and shortened DYK:

Or we can add the slow population grow there. Can we or do not we know that slow grow is the reason?

  • ... that the population growth of the snail Elimia virginica is among the lowest in rivers and that it newly colonized Oswego River but was out-competed from there by another non-indigenous snail?

--Snek01 (talk) 07:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Snek, I like this one:

I suppose we do not actually know for sure that slow population growth was the reason that Bythinia tentaculata trumped it.

I will put back the "withdrawn" thing, I guess it makes sense.

Can I ask you: do you have the link for those Flickr Ohio snail pictures? If so, I can ask Aydin Orstan about them, to see if he can ID them.

Invertzoo (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi Mila, I put one of your beautiful new images into the taxobox of this article. best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Your help is one of the very few positive forces that keep me going on Wikinedia.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)