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This week's article for improvement (week 48, 2015)[edit]

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The First Geneva Convention (1864) is one of the earliest formulations of international law.

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Request for assistance[edit]

Hello Irondome,

I'm new to Wikipedia editing so I hope I'm doing this the correct way. I feel like I'm being harassed/attacked by two people with respect to an article where I am trying to make what I consider to be a small addition (a one or two-paragraph sub-heading). The individuals involved don't seem to be interested in reaching consensus; they seem to be interested in shutting me down. They also repeatedly threaten to 'take action' against me for edit warring, whereas I believe that their constant and wholesale reversion of (literally) anything that I write is in itself an edit war.

You have many kudos for diplomacy and whereas I am certainly capable of being diplomatic (and in fact worked as a 'diplomat' in my nation's embassy for a time), I am considerably less so when I feel I'm being threatened. I would be happy to discuss the situation with those involved, but it appears that they have no interest in doing so and that their goal is to 'win'. I've also realized that they know very little about the subject in question - they recite 'facts' as to why their view should prevail, however their 'facts' are wrong. I feel very much put upon and the issue has become rather upsetting.

I do feel that the persons involved have some sort of connections and emotional, or possibly political, involvement with the subject as their reactions (to me) seem entirely out of proportion to issue involved. However I don't like being bullied, which is why I'm not willing to just walk away and say 'never mind'.

Anyway, I hope that you can help me get this straightened out. If you don't have time right now I understand, please try to let me know if that's the case. The reason I'm asking you rather than someone else is that your offer to volunteer was one of most recent (I believe third-newest) so I believe that you are more likely to be available than someone who wrote several years ago, you seem multi-faceted, and you don't appear to have any overt political or philosophical biases (even though I don't feel the instant matter is or should be controversial, the very strong dislike I feel coming from the other parties makes me believe that there's some underlying reason other than disliking the two brief paragraphs I added to the article).

The situation as brief as I can make it: The matter involves a Wikipedia article named "Newton Public Schools". It is about a school district in Newton, Massachusetts, U.S. The schools that comprise the district are state-supported (called 'public schools' in the U.S.; I believe however that term has a different meaning in the U.K).

Most of the article is standard and innocuous; however there is a section at the end called "Controversies" which is the source of the problem. There were three sub-headings to the "Controversies" section; I have been trying to add a fourth; I also made minor changes in one or two of the other sub-headings so that they accurate.

The headings are:

1. Textbook controversy - the issue as to whether supplemental material used by high school students in history courses is inaccurate, biased, or anti-Israel has been an ongoing controversy in the community for several years. It has been the subject of newspaper articles and a "Call for Action" by Jewish, community, and education groups and has been the subject of media reports in several U.S. states and in Israel. (I think there were three or four sentences in this section). Also, in an unusual move, the district removed a widely used supplemental text and also removed items from a list of recommended sources.

2. Superintendent Plagiarism - the district's superintendent was found to have plagiarized a speech he gave during a high school graduation ceremony and was fined. In another district where this happened, the superintendent was forced to resign. (I believe there were two sentences).

3. Violation of State Open Meeting Laws - in connection with the plagiarism, the state Attorney General (government prosecutor) found that the school district and Chair of the School Committee violated state law on eight separate occasions. (I think three sentences).

all of the above, plus the events in the fourth section below occurred within a few months of each other.

4. Last year, the state Department of Education found that the district and Chair of the School Committee had engaged in illegal retaliation against a student whose parent had been involved in the textbook issue. As far as can be ascertained, this is the first time in state history that a standing administrator has been found to have violated education law (in this case, student confidentiality law). A federal investigation is ongoing.

I have just realized that the other editors have deleted a post I made in the 'Talk' section of the article and also deleted the last six months of History for the article. This is beyond outrageous.

This is the last couple of posts (including mine) from the Talk section:

This week's article for improvement (week 50, 2015)[edit]

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Princess Leia with characteristic hairstyle cosplayed.

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Silverplate B-29's were from the factory[edit]

not field mods. B-29B were Bell B-29's that had all of their defensive armament removed, nay the Tail Gunner. The B-29A's, in the field, could not be 'modded' as they were pressurized aircraft and you could not just pop out their turrets and staple the hole shut. LeMay ordered BULLETS with held from the some of the massive burn missions over Japan in early March 1945. Afterwards, Iwo came on line and fuel was less of a challenge as the B-29s had a liferaft now available to them on the return legs back from Japan. From that moment on, late March 1945, most B-29 missions were max loaded and they could not fit anymore bombs in their bomb bays., so there was no reason to make them lighter (by removing ammunition) due to the fact that no more bombs would fit anyway. B29bomber (talk) 15:05, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I already worked that out. They were the B-29B, about 300+ being built. I think they were built by Bell in Georgia. Irondome (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Using a map as a source[edit]

Hello Irondome (Simon), you failed to intercept a rocket today. Anyways, is it ok to use a map as a source for a geographic description of a village? In the moshav of Midrakh Oz you can see in an Israeli official topographic map (as well as Google Maps, Google Earth, OpenStreetMap etc.) that there are two rivers flowing in the moshav. In other villages I saw the same and managed to find sources but for Midrakh Oz it seems it doesn't have any (almost in general, there are no sources about Midrakh Oz, not even unreliable facts, this place full of Yemeni Jews is truely a mystery). I wouldn't bother excluding this info if I didn't saw that the Czech Wikipedia used it as a source and generally their article contains more information then my English one (although I found some killer facts for DYK). What do you think? I couldn't find a satisfying answer in Wikipedia:Sources or in other wikipolicies I found there.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 23:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Was there a launch or did it assume it would fall on open ground? Ummm. If the Czech wiki is using it, it would seem a sound idea. Check for any copyright issues first on any material used. Diaanna is as usual the go-to for that. The Israeli official map, like the UK Ordinance Survey will be copyrighted. An open source map would be an excellent solution. The Czech wiki would set a precedent in using it as a source. Go for it, WP:BOLD! Cheers mate. Simon Irondome (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
It hit a kindergarten but ironically at the night before summer vacation. And thanks.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 01:10, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

a pleasant surprise[edit]

Thank you for defending me. I thought you had forgotten about me and/or despise me.--Monochrome_Monitor 04:57, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

for that pdf of the Chakrabarti Inquiry. I only had time to scan it for material re Atzmon, turned up nothing, but will read it. Certainly not tonight, too much tension over the incumbent defeat of Italy, but tomorrow. I just realized I shouldn't have added those comments, had I taken into consideration present circs with you. Stress etc. I wish your protégée would just listen to you, and Jonney, an excellent fellow, just a little more often. Rest easy. Nishidani (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 04 July 2016[edit]

Laundry day[edit]

FYI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Filipz123 Andy Dingley (talk) 08:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Cheers Andy Dingley Andy. Yeah I reverted some of this characters' "contributions" earlier..Be over later Irondome (talk) 14:19, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016[edit]

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This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2016)[edit]

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I have submitted my comment[edit]

I have submitted my comment to the ANI per your comment. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 04:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I am Glad that you did accept Alexis Ivanov and that we can go forward from here. Irondome (talk) 12:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Shah Ismail I[edit]

@Irondome:I would like to make an edit on Shah Ismail I and add some of his physical features on it that it is lacking, I'm using Roemer, H. R. (1986). "The Safavid Period". In Jackson, Peter; Lockhart, Laurence. The Timurid and Safavid Periods. The Cambridge History of Iran 6. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 189–350. ISBN 9780521200943.  as my source. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 02:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I would also like to edit talk pages of certain articles, also edit my own sandboxes and non-English Wikipedia articles. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:20, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Wikis in other languages are completely seperate communities with their own standards. No one on the EN wikipedia can restrict you from editing in those places.--Adam in MO Talk 03:27, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I would like to get the approval from my mentor, if you don't mind. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Ivan you can discuss things on talk pages, and edit your sandboxes and utilise other Wikis. However I will expect the standards of behaviour we have agreed to, to apply in all areas you work in. I am glad you are consulting me. Well done my friend. We will rebuild your reputation quickly if you co-operate, which you seem willing to do. Please can you explain very shortly your edit on Ismail I, and what effect it would have on the article? Call me Simon b.t.w. Irondome (talk) 12:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Also Ivan, please can you keep me up to daate on all articles you are working on at the moment. Simon Irondome (talk) 12:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Ismail I's article lacks a source that mentions his "fair complexion", "reddish hair" and his "regal bearing" appearance. These are eye-witness depiction and testimony of him. I also would like to edit the Safavid Dynasty page and small detail on their descendant of Ali Ibn Abi Talib, nephew of Prophet Muhammad by mentioning their direct descendant of the Seventh Imam Musa al-Kadhim who died in 799 C.E., Another edit I would like to make a correction on the Names of Istanbul page and fixed the Arabic word for Constantinople which the Ottomans used, the second i for Qusṭanṭiniyah is supposed to be elongated, while the constant y at the end should be repeated twice as it represents a long consonant, my source is Encyclopedia of Islam second edition, fourth volume, page 224. I don't have set of articles I work on, but at the moment I'm looking through Safavid articles. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 20:05, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Ok Alexis Ivanov Alexis Do the edits that you have sources for. Make absolutely sure that what you deploy are strong WP:RS. Also do not remove the existing citation regarding Ismail I's appearance. Just add the new info and source it in addition. You could word it by saying; "A seperate contemporary description describes him as.." At the same time put on the relevant talk pages your edit details for other colleagues information. I want you to explicitly state that the edits and talk pages are being closely followed by your mentor, and you can give my linked name. If you encounter any opposition DO NOT edit war or get stressed Alexis, causing you to lose your cool. I will intervene based on the circumstances if any incidents occur. But there will not be any incident 'cos you are going to keep calm, be civil and ping me if things are getting out of hand. You are to STOP editing if they are. You are doing well my friend. Your co-operation says a lot about you being WP:HERE. Keep up the good attitude and work. Regards Simon Irondome (talk) 21:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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Edit request[edit]

Can you change "West Asian" in the Ashkenazi jews lead to "Middle Eastern"? West Asia is ambiguous and untrue as it implies iran/turkey as well. Fact is it's Middle Eastern- ie the prevalence of J1/J2.--Monochrome_Monitor 04:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Iran and Turkey are in the Middle East. West Asian is much better than Middle Eastern since Middle East is a eurocentric word. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Monochrome Monitor West Asia is the better term. Middle East is mentioned further down the lede. It is better because it is part of a section discussing the silk road, international trading links and the geopolitics of the wider area, including the Persian empire of the time. Middle east is too parochial. Expect an email later today or tmrw b.t.w. Irondome (talk) 14:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
MM, you are topic banned from the subject. Even if I agreed with your proposal, such an edit would be highly irregular. I obviously will not act as your proxy here, or anywhere. Drop the topic and leave it alone. Your fixation on this is puzzling. Please go and edit on old technology or anything. You keep being drawn back to these areas, like a moth to light. The articles are perfectly safe. Irondome (talk) 15:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

What draws me is that they are the most active articles on my watch list....--Monochrome_Monitor 16:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Take them off for the duration then ;) Irondome (talk) 17:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done ;)--Monochrome_Monitor 01:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 July 2016[edit]

That balcony of yours[edit]

Menno Schilthuizen, 'Evolution Is Happening Faster Than We Thought,' NYT JULY 23, 2016 Thought of your bird-feeling, Simon. I'd adjust the title somewhat. 'Evolution Among non-homo sapiens is Happening Faster Than We Thought. :) :( Nishidani (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful link Nish :) I have been off for a couple of days. Noticed activiy on the boards. Anything I should be looking at, any damsels in distress? ;) Si Irondome (talk) 13:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
There are many 'dumb sells' in the press generally, and we poor harvesters of chaff must sift it out to avoid our residual grey matter's dumb cells from getting pole position on the upper bandlength! Cheers pal. Hope all is well. Take it easy. I am.Nishidani (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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FYI[edit]

I have a strong suspicion that:

Are the same editor. Per an editor interaction analyser. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

It looks very probable Kansas Bear from that breakdown. Ummm...Irondome (talk) 01:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)