User talk:Isaacl

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GA run for Montreal Expos[edit]

Hi Isaac, my goal for the rewrite was an eventual FA run, but GA first. I plan on doing a copyedit this weekend (now that sufficient time has passed such that I should pick up on errors I missed from the write itself), and just wanted your thoughts on what else needs to be done first. I still need to do a paragraph on the retired numbers, and would love to expand the team identity part. Do you have any sources that can expand on that? Resolute 13:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry I haven't been able to do more copy-editing; I did a bit but would like to do more. Unfortunately I probably won't have a lot of availability to edit on Wikipedia in the next week and half. As I mentioned before, I think additional details on some of the team's key players would be good, such as Charlie Lea, Bill Gullickson, Tim Wallach, Jeff Reardon, Larry Walker, Cliff Floyd, Rondell White, and Vladimir Guerrero. A bit more info on Buck Rodgers would be useful, too, as a popular manager who had the third-longest tenure with the Expos. The near-firing of Felipe Alou was an episode that clearly demonstrated his popularity with Montreal fans. David Dombrowski had a significant impact on the team's scouting success, as well as successors Dan Duquette and Kevin Malone. I think the quote from Malone when he resigned is a particularly good one to include.
I'm not quite sure what you're looking for regarding team identity: something about how the fans and city identified with the team, and adopted it as a symbol of Montreal? I don't have anything readily in mind; I can try to find something in a couple of weeks or so. isaacl (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
One other note, regarding the photo of the Expos banner in the Bell Centre: though the current photo from you displays the banner more clearly, I liked the previous photo of the banner being raised with Youppi! (though I see that the image has now been deleted from Wikipedia). isaacl (talk) 04:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
The other image could, if needed, be undeleted by any admin, however, it was non-free so the GA/FA process would end up getting you to change it to that one anyway. -DJSasso (talk) 13:29, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I left it off because the image really only demonstrated two things: the banner, and Youppi in a Habs jersey. Since it is a non-free image, and since we have free images of both Youppi and the banner, I knew there was no chance that image would be viewed as acceptable at a FAC. It might sneak through GAN if the reviewer didn't think to check for it, but as an FA editor myself, I couldn't justify doing that. But for the rest, I'll see what i can do with copy edits. I don't have to nominate at GAN immediately if you want to take a look in a few weeks. (Nor would it be likely to be reviewed within the next two months anyway!) Resolute 13:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
It's something I may be able to work on in a couple of weeks, so if you want to work on something else, feel free. But don't feel obligated to wait, either, if it's something you'd like to continue developing. I appreciate the time and effort you have spent. isaacl (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


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John McHale[edit]

Hi, isaacl. I agree with your point about team presidents not being listed as owners in general. In the case of the Expos, I included John McHale for two reasons: (1) per his bio, McHale was a minority owner who owned ten percent of the Expos; and (2) at least at first, Mr. Bronfman was the majority owner (45 %) of the Expos' ownership group that included a number of Montreal business people (Hugh Hallward, Lorne Webster, Sidney Maislin and others, presumably McHale at some point)[1]. Mr. Bronfman may have over time purchased McHale's stock and become sole owner. I included McHale based on his minority ownership stake and his influential role in the upper management of the club from 1968-86. I would prefer that the inbox include "club president(s)" as a title as the best solution. That said, I'm open to making the deletions you have asked for. Thanks.McGill1974 (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

My understanding is that Bronfman was the managing partner, representing the ownership to MLB. I think noting the ownership group within the article may be more apt. Given the limited space in the infobox, though, I think it is sufficient to include Bronfman alone, who from what I know was the most involved owner and set the team's direction. If you can build a consensus to add "club president" to the infobox, then this information could be included. Be forewarned, though, that there will be opposition, as there are opinionated persons who would rather take things out than put things in. isaacl (talk) 17:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Your response is very reasonable and I have made the deletions. (And your observation about the contentiousness that sometimes accompanies suggestions like the one I proposed is apt!) Thanks and take care!McGill1974 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your co-operation; it is greatly appreciated! isaacl (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)