I appreciate that you want to add categories as to his descent, but we need evidence. Furthermore, being of Welsh or Native American descent being controversial, we would need evidence from a clearly reliable source, not just one quoting him as to his descent. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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The Importance Of Disco
I believe Disco is very important. But so do I believe that other genres that pre-date and post-date it are important. Of course, Disco was a major influence on hip hop. But Chic's Good Times was a disco song, which was used for Rapper's Delight, which was an early hip hop song. I believe the two genres are separate but related. Hip hop is, of course, also related to other genres. However, Disco's influence should not be negated and it is not - it is listed, quite rightly, as a stylistic origin. If it wasn't, I would be amongst the very first to defend its place. I have never stated that disco and hip hop are unrelated. I'm no "Allmusic self-proclaimed expert". I just lived through the 1970s and 1980s and was very interested in the popular music of those decades. I read a great deal about them. All I ask of Wikipedia is that all statements are reliably sourced. (Etheldavis (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC))
LOL! Yes, the Seventies were very different times. I'll tell you how I saw music in the 1970s and 1980s... what it was like to be a teen/twenty something for me back then... This is from a UK perspective... The 1970s and early 1980s were very hard times. On the music scene, the first big "hooray" of the 1970s was Glam Rock. This was a very visual thing, shouty, 1950s-influenced pop music, performed by men who often wore face make up. This was exciting and often quite angry sounding music "Does anyone know the way to block buster?") and had me working up a sweat on the dancefloor until all hours. The next "big hoorays" of the 1970s were disco and punk. Disco I always felt was a very dancey move-on from soul and I adored it. It made me sing inside. Punk in the UK was blisteringly angry at the start. We had over a million unemployed. Punk declared that everything was worthless. There was NO FUTURE. Punk and disco were the two faces of mid-to-late 1970s music which helped to keep me sane. Towards the end of the '70s, we began to hear of New Wave. This ranged from a host of 1960s influenced music to some quirky - and in fact downright kooky stuff like "I Like 'Lectric Motors", which was recorded in 1979 and which I first heard in 1980. New Wave wasn't a genre in itself... more a convenient way of labeling an era. The 1980s launched in the UK with the New Romantics and a sudden onrush of synth pop. The Sugarhill Gang's "Rappers Delight" was in the pop charts here in late 1979 and early 1980 and at first we called hip hop "rap". It was after material like "The Message" and "White Lines" that I began to hear the name "hip hop" spoken to any great degree. "The Message" still sends cold shivers down my spine and my feet dancing across the room. This, of course, was soon joined by the arrival of break dancing in the UK and in 1983 the scene became huge. Once again, SO exciting. I never felt any hunger for new forms of music in the 1970s and 1980s. In the mid-1980s, the mighty Pet Shop Boys arrived, with their wonderfully dry lyrics and banging dance tunes like "Opportunities - Let's Make Lots Of Money" - music was getting bangier (not a real word, but I'm sure you'll get the picture!), faster... and in 1986 the first house song to chart in the UK was "Jack Your Body". It was a happy time for me, and when acid house broke large in 1988 I was euphoric. This was really the last youth scene in the UK that rattled the Establishment. I remember attending various raves, one in a field with lasers playing across the undersides of the few fluffy clouds that floated overhead... it was an all-nighter, of course... and it remains one of my favourite memories... This was how the music scene seemed as I lived through the 1970s and 1980s. Since then, I've become fascinated by how it all came to be. At the time, I read the music press ferociously and I've read loads since... Thanks for talking with me. I hope this long message hasn't bored you.
All this is fascinating. In the UK, the reason why post-Punk was so touted above post-disco was the fact that UK Punk was so political and challenging - it was thought by many music journos to have changed attitudes to fashion and music - and (I think) reflected youth attitudes about the way the country was being run. The influence of disco music has never been in doubt to me, but disco was what I unwound to. What I enjoyed. I'm also fascinated by the links between disco and soul - because soul music is another of my great loves. I did originally associate "new wave" with a return to 1960s style. We had a big revival in mid-1960s style in the UK at that time, and mods and rockers were very much back in vogue. This may sound bizarre to you, but a lot of what was labelled "new wave" in the UK in the late 1970s (The Jam, the Specials, etc) did not sound as modern as disco. By the end of the '70s, a lot of new pop music was being labelled "new wave" and it seemed to be an era thing, rather than referring to a particular genre. Later, new wave was not applied so vehemently in the UK. I'd given up on using the phrase by about 1983. As for hip hop, well, the first song I heard in that genre was the Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight", which was in the music charts as a single in late 1979 and early 1980. We called that "Rap". It was around 1982/1983, with the arrival of "The Message", "White Lines" and so on, that I began to hear the name "hip hop". It is difficult to avoid revisionism, I know. I did study popular music journals "back in the day", I still have a stack of newspapers and music mags from the 1980s, and they're a great aid to memory. A lot of what of I do here is simply based on my love of the music of my youth - and a desire to present things as they were. I enjoyed your edits to Garage music (North America) by the way. When it comes to getting things right, I believe you share my enthusuasm! Thanks for talking. A human side to Wikipedia is vital and chatting to you stimulates my mind and revs up the old memory banks! A quick post script: as for the prejudice against disco, there will always be what I term "small minds". I am aware of the issues there, and all we can do is continue the fight. There is prejudice against 1980s music in general too - I believe largely because this was the era of Reagan/Thatcher. And yet lots of 1980s music is distinctive, creative and wonderful (OK, my opinion!). Our best weapons (my opinion again) are highly reliable sources, a determination to continue - and keeping cool heads!
Thanks for all these interesting thoughts. Firstly, I'd like to give you my impressions as a (then) twenty/thirty-something of the political scene in the 1980s. In the UK, it was fiercely polarised decade - Right Versus Left. Things exploded. There were riots, protests, yuppies, and shoulder pads. I was heavily aligned to the Left and it was a fabulous time in retrospect because people felt so strongly. It's interesting you speak of the Cold War and the Iron Curtain because I was terrified of the threat of Nuclear Winter as a child in the 1960s and a young adult in the 1970s and early 1980s. It was the arrival of Gorbachev which saw a rapid thawing of those particular fears. It's curious, but those fears really abated rapidly from 1985 onwards. People now write the 1980s up as one long nuclear-haunted nightmare. They weren't. I felt much more assured that it wasn't going to happen in the mid-to-late 1980s than I ever had in my life before. One half of the decade was very different from the other. The Stock Market Crash... wasn't 1987 a fabulously schizoid year? There were the yuppies, at their peak, and suddenly the year flipped and ripped the rug out from under them. The actual recession was felt later, more an early 1990s thing here in the UK. I do have to tell you that, much as I hated Thatcher, my diet and lifestyle improved dramatically in the 1980s. I'm almost loathe to admit that, but that's the way it was. The '80s sorted nothing. They were influential, of course, in retrospect, but at the time, in the UK, by their end, although things had changed dramatically (pondering the decade on New Year's Eve 1989 I found it hard to believe that 1980 had even been part of the same decade), nothing seemed set in stone. The '80s had simply been uproar. I regard the 1990s as the true turning point, when people blamed the 1980s, and basically seemed to say: "But we're much nicer now!" And they slouched and watched "57 channels and nothing on". I didn't think they were more caring, although they SAID they were. And blaming the 1980s and saying that the decade had decided the way things were was a terrific excuse to sit back and do nothing as New Labour betrayed all Labour supporters in the UK, passing legislation which would have had people screaming in protest had Thatcher tried it in the 1980s. Now, on to music. For me, hip hop is hip hop. It's closely linked to disco, of course, but I wouldn't call it an "indie" form of it. Disco features as a stylistic origin and that is enough I feel. Disco is disco. It's important. But it is something that cannot be something else. It stands alone, highly influential, but forever its own thing. Of course, its derivative of other things, and other things following it contain elements of disco in their make up, but that's how music progresses. Disco makes me feel a certain way, move a certain way, brings back memories of a certain era (for me 1976-1980). It's wonderful. And it is itself. Sorry if that sounds flowery - a bit 1960s in fact - but it's how it seemed to me at the time, and still seems today. As for New Wave, that was derivative of a lot of things, also progressive and innovative, but an umbrella term that I feel too much is made of. I think that many youngsters these days seem obsessed with labeling things - perhaps it's a kind of "computer mentality". I don't know! As for now... modern day EDM really does remind me of the 1980s a great deal... there's a wonderful song called "Pompeii" which could almost be about the 1980s... the lyrics even contain a 1980s song title - "left to my own devices"... it strikes me as a modern day view of the 1980s... a time when we apparently sat back, indulged in selfish pleasures and stopped caring... not terribly realistic in my estimation, but definitely a fascinating scenario for a song. I'll stop rambling. Good to hear from you - and I hope all this doesn't bore you too much!
I'll check it out, thanks! I'm quite "anti-nostalgia" myself. In viewing past eras as I get older, it's quite easy to say "It was a mixed time generally, but I enjoyed myself". Or not, as the case may be. Objectivity is the key. I really believe that categorizing things in the modern age has got a little out of hand. I'm not sure if New Wave was anti-Punk originally in the UK. It contained more 1960s influences at first (witness Paul Weller of The Jam - dubbed the "Mod father"!) but songs like "Eton Rifles" (1979) and "Going Underground"(1980)contained Punk influences I believe. But, not being into broader categorizations to any great degree, it doesn't really bother me. New Wave has become such an umbrella term - I find it practically meaningless these days! R&B and Soul music helped lead us to disco, hip hop, etc. The point is where do you begin? At the time, it always seemed that one thing influenced another, most musical forms contain multiple influences, but are still their own thing. I do recall that when the first Rap record charted in the UK in late 1979 ("Rappers Delight" - the Sugarhill Gang), we called it "Rap". It was after Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" in 1982 that I think the label "hip hop" began to filter into the UK. From then on, the genre seemed socially relevant, even challenging, it spoke of suffering, and also offered words of inspiration - ("The Crown", 1983). R&B, soul, disco, and other things are definitely part of the family tree of hip hop, but hip hop took time to evolve and just as disco isn't a sub-genre of "soul" but a genre in its own right, then hip hop is a genre in its own right too. Back to the UK political scene in the '80s, and Thatcher was a very controversial Prime Minister indeed! If you had started a conversation about whether she was a great politician or absolutely atrocious in the UK in the 1980s, then the conversation would have most likely raged for hours, with opposing views being heatedly express! Can I just ask, how did you finding growing up in the 1990s and early '00s? The technology? The fashions? The media? Education? Times were so different when I grew up, and I'd welcome some insights. Now I'm off to find that Sam Sparro album. Thanks for chatting.
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could you say why you are so set on categorizing this book as belonging in that category 'about antisemitism' - where are the RS saying it is about that - its not - its about poverty really. a work like 'the war against the jews' by lucy davidowicz, isn't that more the kind of book intended by the category 'works about antisemitism'. my opinion is not 'pointless' you rude editor - I have read the Orwell and know there is a Russian at the beginning who expresses anti-Jewish opinions - is that what you are asserting makes the book 'about antisemitism' ? wouldn't the category expand way beyond anything useful if so flimsy a thread was used to swell categories. (you've got some maid telling others to be polite on your talk page and you write as an edit summary - 'Don't include your pointless personal opinions as a reason to cancel my justified reversion.' - bit of a hypocrite really.)Sayerslle (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Re: Demanding an apology
See Wikipedia:Civility#Apologising: It's OK to say sorry and WP:SORRY. Demanding an apology rarely works on Wikipedia, and more than often results in a block on the one doing the demanding. Word to the wise... Viriditas (talk) 02:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
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Hi It'sAlwaysLupus, I'm contacting you regarding the Warp 9 page. A basic rule of Wikipedia editing is not to completely erase what another contributor/editor wrote. One can add to it, including references if desired, but never, never just erase what a Wikipedia contributor wrote! On a personal note, I diligently wrote and researched the information I provided on that page, was careful about the facts (used citations/references, and made sure the spelling and grammar were top notch. I will try to restore my contribution, and keep any further information you contributed, but frankly I'm shocked that you would flat out erase the information I worked so hard to provide. Peace! Magdalamar (talk) 03:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Update: I've restored my original edits and have incorporated your edits, resulting in a new page. I've moved some information around so that it makes sense but it's all there. Peace!Magdalamar (talk) 06:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC) Update: (Wednesday, Nov 5.) I've now reviewed the page, and it works very well, incorporating your edits and restoring all relevant information from my original page. As I mentioned, I inserted sentences into places where they were most relevant and made sense, without destroying the integrity of the edits so that the reader would have the optimal experience. The hard work (I believe) shows, making the most of both of our contributions. Peace!
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Category:D Train (music group)
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Damon C Scott the voice of Storm Queen/ look Right Through
Three months ago you did an update on the song " Look Right Through" a DJ MK remix. While I am finding all celebration on Morgan Geist the writer and MK there is little to none on the ONE consistent entity of this whole song.... The vocalist! From release to remix and on to number one they use the same awesome voice. Look him up Damon C Scott. Facebook, YouTube, damoncscott.net, soundcloud. Also linked to Chris Malinchak, Oscar G, Kenneth Bager, etc. you will be blown away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyima1960 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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Post disco content use
Do you have any objection if the intro for the post-disco article is copied over to create a section on the electronic dance music article? I think you wrote most of it. Per CC BY-SA 3.0 License guidelines it's best to ask permission for such a copy paste. Semitransgenic talk. 11:34, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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