User talk:Ivan Volodin

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Welcome[edit]

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Again, welcome! abakharev 21:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Ivan Volodin/Names of European cities in different languages B[edit]

You created a page at Names of European cities in different languages B which you indicate is a test page. Such test pages shouldn't be created in the article space, but rather in your user space. I have moved the page to User:Ivan Volodin/Names of European cities in different languages B, and corrected the link to it from Talk:Names of European cities in different languages so that people will still be able to find it and comment on it. I hope people like it. Good luck, and happy editing. Steve block Talk 21:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Moscow Oblast map[edit]

I don't use the Inkscape, as I have a professional tools set at my office. But I see a template creation would be a better idea. See Bulgarian topic. But how it is possible? We have too much too small urban units, even units splited. (Bulgarian divisions with no Slavonic suffix!).Bogomolov.PL (talk) 18:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I've made a location map with rayon level divisions
File:MO 5.svg
It is not correct map: Kh - is not a district, Le - in two pieces, but noted 1, the cities are not labelled, labels are not descripted, rayons abbreviations - your original research, this type of map is not common in Wiki

Thanks. On Bulgaria, the problem with templates is that they cannot be resized if I am not mistaken.

On suffixes, Ezhiki may be right in that Bulgarian provinces and Polish voevodships correspond to oblasts, the latter being also without suffixes, while lower-level divisions might not have any establishe English names.

On my map: Khimki - easy to fix. Leninsky - do you mean that two Le's are needed? Original research - hardly. This is only for illustrative purposes and I believe it is more useful than a clean map. Thanks for the version without municipal okrugs, will try to work on that one. Ivan Volodin (talk) 19:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

As a lot of counries has the abbreviations established, Wiki user will think it is with rayons too, but your work has no official nature, but nobody knows that. Much better is a simple numbering (number in the table corresponds to the map), so you don't need decode your abbreviations - you and me can understand them, but common user from NYC? And Leninsky is divided in two parts and not western part belongs to Leninsky, but easten also.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I think letters are easier than numbers - at least for people with education in humanities rather than in science :) . And I can mention that the abbreviations are not official. Ivan Volodin (talk) 19:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I was talking about the numbering as it is common in Wiki (you are a concistency enthusiast), this style never needs a key description. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry you are confusing me with someone else. I am in favour of consistency but not at the expense of common sense and conveniency. Ivan Volodin (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
And a template is scalable Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Ivan Volodin (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Would it be feasible to carry the labels out of the actual map and add the lines showing the location of the districts on the map (like on this map)?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:53, December 29, 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this kind of map is reasonable for the Moscow Oblast as a number of rayons are deeply inside the region, far from its bundaries and seperated with 2-3 rayons from oblast outskirts. I think the numbered map (as it is for Austria) can be a better decision.
The States of Austria Numbered.png
Bogomolov.PL (talk) 18:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't use the Inkscape, but black squares are the font problem, I guess. You can open the svg file with any text editor and check the font names for the text features. An other possible problem source can be text background color filling (if this can be programmed in svg format). But I'm sure (if you can locate rayon labels) the clickable labels are the best option. I've started the Moscow oblast template creation, with clickable numbers for rayons and cities. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 17:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Euro 2012[edit]

The rankings and average attendances are both OR, and in my opinion should be removed as well (the rankings already have been). Scenarios refer specifically to what will happen as a result of what, and so are valid. The does (talk) 05:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

  • The scenarios are clear, spelled-out sentences describing what would happen. Your edits were a gigantic table with little to no explanation to the reader of what anything meant. The does (talk) 14:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure what "provisional standings" you're referring to. I said I supported scenarios. Your edits were both OR and incomprehensible; I merely stated one of these at first and then brought up the other. Do you think that, "to many", it would be easier to understand the meaning of "RUS < AND and IRL > ARM" than to understand the same meaning, written out in text? Or for them to have to refer to "notes" located outside of your table instead of reading all the details in a coherent sentence? I think not. I appreciate your efforts but the contributions were deleted for good reasons – OR and lack of comprehensibility are just two of them. The does (talk) 15:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
      • How can you justify "RUS < AND and IRL > ARM" as "having the advantage of being understandable to people with various levels of knowledge of English"? How likely is it that the average non-native English speaker reading this section would know of Andorra and be able to form the connection between "AND" and "Andorra"? Nowhere on any football tournament pages are the FIFA codes ever used, since they are considered jargon and difficult for the non-footy-expert to understand. Sure, anyone could scroll up to Group B on the same page and see that the only country that would possibly be abbreviated to "AND" is Andorra, but that would be wasteful of the reader's time. It isn't our place to assume things of readers, so it is best to write things out in coherent sentences that most readers, rather than a select few, will understand. The point is, "RUS < AND and IRL > ARM" is not at all at least as comprehensible as "Russia lose to Andorra and Ireland defeat Armenia". Furthermore, I'm not the only one who reverted your edits. I did it the second time; someone else did it the first time, after which you reinserted the content. There may be different opinions, but you and your opinions are in the minority in this case. I'd say 50% of those people who advised me to stop deleting content had flawed arguments themselves (I'm looking at User:TBM10). I'm all for discussion, but when something's quite clearly both OR and hard to comprehend, and is considered as so by other editors as well, then my instinct is to toss it. The does (talk) 16:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

re: Matchday scenarios[edit]

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I have re-removed your headings - Wikipedia does not work that way. As you can see we have a lovely discussion and your headings are not needed or wanted. Please do not re-add them. GiantSnowman 21:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
They absolutely serve a purpose: for people not to go in rounds with the same arguments. If your problem is the headings format I have used, please suggest another solution. Since this is a summary of discussions held elsewhere, then probably put them into a grey box? Or start a separate talk page so as not to overload the main one? I categorically reject your deletion of it - your opinion of what is "needed or wanted" (by whom?) is only yours. Ivan Volodin (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Invites to "next day scenarios" at WT:FOOTY[edit]

Hi. You out invites to a lot of people but not to me who has been discussing with you? I hope you kn w that you should invite everyone and not only those you believe are on your side. Please read WP:FORUMSHOP. QED237 (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I do apologise, indeed. When I started to send invitations, I just copied all those who participated in the four previous "big" discussions. I should have looked at it more attentively, but I kind of assumed that you would be among those, so didn't check specifically. You will have noted that I have invited all participants of those discussions, including Dr.Vicodine and other opponents of scenarios. Again, sorry. Ivan Volodin (talk) 08:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, no worries. I have now seen that you invited people from "both sides", I was just a bit angry after last nights UEFA matches and thought that you might have skipped me for a reason. Sorry for jumping to that conclusion way to fast. QED237 (talk) 11:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for inviting me, I have written my opinion. You might want to invite the user Zirath also; he was keeping the "Next matchday"-scenarios running on his talk page throughout the FIFA 2014 qualification. Lars Ransborg (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I think you are going a little overboard on that RfC. There's a line between vigorous debate and tendentious editing, and I feel like you are treading close to it. Gigs (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I will do my best not to cross the line. I wonder however whether you could also comment on the behaviour of those participants who neither reply to particular questions related to their opinions nor are willing to enter into any compromise agreements. Ivan Volodin (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree there are other editors who are also treading on the edge of our behavior guidelines. Don't let them draw you into doing the same. Gigs (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

re: Matchday scenarios[edit]

Hi there!

You posted in my talk page the below post on the conclusion you made in the discussion. Can you show me exactly what conclusion you made? Thanks. :) Kiwi8 (talk) 12:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

"Hi. Sorry for disturbing you again. Thank you for participating in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Next matchday scenarios and for your support. I have proposed a conclusion that addresses the concerns of many participants regarding reliable sources. Would appreciate a comment"

Kinda hard to convince those stick-in-the-muds. :(

ANI notification[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive821#Next matchday scenario. QED237 (talk) 23:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
As a result of the ANI, I had a quick look at the original talk page discussion and although it wasn't careful enough to reach a detailed conclusion plus I don't think I have the experience, I see a strong sign of consensus against your actions. Considering that, I would urge you to refrain from continuing with your edits as it's likely to be disruptive. (In any case, remember that per WP:BRD, if your bold edits addint content are clearly disputed you should generally continue discussion until you achieve consensus for or against them using the various forms of WP:Dispute resolution available as necessary before reimplementing them.) If you still disagree with the consensus, it may be okay to continue with the original discussion but bear in mind WP:DEADHORSE, WP:IDONTHEARTHAT and Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. Bear in mind for something as nitty gritty as this, and considering WP:NOTBURO there will probably never be any carefully worded guideline, just a general consensus to be implemented by common sense. Nil Einne (talk) 00:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Replied on ANI. Thank you. Ivan Volodin (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
The ANI discussion ended and got archieved. A archive is not a place were you make comments afterwards (it is a "storage") so I have removed your comment. If you want to discuss the matter at ANI again I think you can open a new discussion referring to the old one saying you want to re-open it. QED237 (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, very nice. Of course I will not open a new ANI discussion (after all, you initiated it, and it brought no reaction from admins), but feel free to do it if you want to pursue the ANI procedure. Only don't forget to copy my reply into the new discussion. Ivan Volodin (talk) 08:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

oops Victuallers (talk) 12:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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inspired by this - you could do the same

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IIHF[edit]

It is trivia info which is removed after the games played. Kante4 (talk) 14:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I will remove the pairings for now, you are right. I'm sure that GER will be playing the late game if they win (won't happen). See also Note, Order of the games with "tbd" in place of the team match-up will be decided by IIHF Directorate upon completion of the previous round. per official site. Kante4 (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
So, all of this will be deleted after tomorrow, not needed in the article. Kante4 (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
I just think it's not worth the effort. ;) Kante4 (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2017 (UTC)