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WP:RD-type question about your WP:RDL question[edit]

Is it normal to take a sleeping car when you're going a distance such as München to Hamburg? I was surprised to see how far apart they are (I knew their locations in the country, but being an American, I habitually imagine most European countries as being smaller than they actually are), but Google Maps says that a rail trip will take about 5½ hours. Seems a rather short time to sleep, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, or perhaps you had your own reasons that you don't feel like mentioning; no objection if that's the case, of course. Nyttend (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

As it happens, I only got to Munich in the first place in late evening, so I had no other option than to take a sleeping car to Hamburg (or at least try to, because Deutsche Bahn screwed up and I only got a resting car). If I had got to Munich in the morning I wouldn't have bothered with a sleeping car. JIP | Talk 22:11, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! So in other words, you just take a different approach from what I suppose I'd take myself. I've never taken an intercity train trip, except a couple times as a young child (Ballymoney to Belfast being the longest), so I've not had experience with sleeping cars, but after doing lots of Greyhound trips as long as 30 hours and as short as your trip, I guess I just wouldn't bother asking for a sleeping berth (wouldn't want a bed unless it's a full night's sleep) and would instead sleep in my seat, unless again, there's something I'm just misunderstanding. Nyttend (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Help with an inaccurate Finnish article[edit]

Hello JIP, my name is Howicus. I found you via the list of Finnish-to-English translators; and I'd like to ask for your help with something, not a translation, but rather an inaccuracy I noticed in a Finnish Wikipedia article.

The riverboat Iron Mountain ran aground and sank in 1882; newspapers at the time reported on the sinking. At a later date a legend appeared, claiming that the Iron Mountain had disappeared without a trace. The English Wikipedia article on the Iron Mountain correctly states that the ship sank and all but one of the crew were saved; however, (if Google Translate is correct) the Finnish language version claims that the ship disappeared. If you have the time to fix the Finnish article, I would really appreciate it. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 19:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

The Finnish version just says the ship was never found although people were looking for it. It doesn't say what happened to it. I can take a look at the English article and fix the Finnish article at some point. JIP | Talk 19:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
I've briefly edited the Finnish article to state that the ship sank, it was only a legend that it disappeared. I've copied the sources straight off the English article. JIP | Talk 19:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For fixing fi:SS Iron Mountain. I really appreciate it. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Article upgrade assistance request (Pre-translation stage)[edit]

Seasons Greetings,

This is in reference to a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

Through article Ceremonial pole we intend to take encyclopedic note of cultural aspects and festive celebrations around Ceremonial pole as an umbrella article and want to have historical, mythological, anthropological aspects, reverence or worships wherever concerned as a small part.

While Ceremonial poles have a long past and strong presence but usually less discussed subject. Even before we seek translation of this article in global languages, we need to have more encyclopedic information/input about Ceremonial poles from all global cultures and languages. And we seek your assistance in the same.

Since other contributors to the article are insisting for reliable sources and Standard native english; If your contributions get deleted (for some reason like linguistics or may be your information is reliable but unfortunately dosent match expectations of other editors) , please do list the same on Talk:Ceremonial pole page so that other wikipedians may help improve by interlanguage collaborations, and/or some other language wikipedias may be interested in giving more importance to reliablity of information over other factors on their respective wikipedia.

This particular request is being made to you since your user name is listed in Wikipedia:Translators available list.

Thanking you with warm regards Mahitgar (talk) 05:34, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm confused here. What exactly am I supposed to do? JIP | Talk 19:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Darude's Sandstorm[edit]

Hello, I would like to complete the clip section of this article. I was looking for someone who understands Finnish, as I don't understand this language at all, and I didn't find anything interesting in English about it. Here are the corresponding sources I've found :

  • An interview with the clip's director, Juuso Syrjä, which seems to be divided in two parts (part 1 and 2)
  • An article which seems to talk about different places in Helsinki where the single's clip was shot (pdf/txt)

It would be great if you can translate these sources in English, especially the two videos. Face-smile.svg Synthwave.94 (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I can take a look at them at some point. It's quite late in the evening here so I'm not sure if I can do it today. JIP | Talk 19:37, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for answering me. No problem about it, I can wait some days so you can take your time to translate these three sources. Synthwave.94 (talk) 23:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I imagine you should be busy, but have you any idea when you could provide translations for those sources ? Thanks a lot. Face-smile.svg Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I have been quite busy at work. But now I think I can translate some of the sources. Here's a translation of the first interview based on what I heard on the video clip:

Director Juuso Syrjä, artist name Uzi, we are here on premises that should be familiar to you. 15 years ago here was filmed Darude's music video Sandstorm, which shook the world. What were your feelings when you came back here on top of the stairs of the Helsinki Cathedral?

Good feelings. This place got stuck in my mind, even though it was in the 20th century when we started doing these things. It has been quite some time, and it's funny how this church as a place has started to live along with Darude. An advertisement film producer said that he had come here on one summer, and schoolchildren on a class trip had come from some other regions in Finland, you know the kind of kids with snot on their face, and one had climbed here and said: "Look, it's Darude!" They recognised Helsinki's sights from a music video, so you know we've done some good things.

How did the script of this video form? Who had the original idea?

Well, it started like so, that at the time, Darude had had a couple of club gigs already, and we were doing work at clubs, and the whole thing started there, that would I be interested in making a music video, and it was my first music video, I got asked would I like to make a music video, it was a good opening, "Well, do this kind of music video for a start". It started when we were thinking about the structure of the song and how it sounds like, it had a kind of forward-going feeling, so were thinking, we had always liked cars, so should we make a driving video, no, we'll make something else, so Misko Iho, who was around at the club scene, said that we'll make a music video where people run around a fucking lot. So it started from there, we made a music video where people run. And people ran.

You said yourself it was your debute work as a music video director. What has this video brought to you for your career?

Well, it has brought something. In the beginning, making music videos was a way to practice making films, because there you could do anything. Since that, I have been mainly doing advertisement films, I have made my career doing advertisement films. Advertisement films have tight control about what you can do, there's a script that comes from the advertisement bureau because the customer wants it. But in music videos we have full freedom to do whatever we want. So these music videos have been more of a possibility to try different kinds of things. And in the beginning it was so that music videos weren't really appreciated a lot, so if you had a reputation as a music video director, it was difficult to get work making advertisement films. So in that sense, it didn't really help my work at the beginning. But it's funny that this video has become a classic. So it has helped me, it's a good conversation opener, so when we go meet foreign people, no one has heard of the song's name, but everyone has heard the actual song.

Can you say that it's the best known video of your career so far, or director work?

Well, yes, you can say that. It's been very long, it was made before YouTube was invented, so you have to know how many people would have watched it had it been uploaded to YouTube, and it got awards at the time, it was successful internationally, it was the first Finnish music video shown on MTV USA, it got awards in Finland and on MTV, so yes, it has been quite prominent. Advertisement films are visible only for a limited time, quite few advertisement films stay popular for years, like this kind of thing.

JIP | Talk 18:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Here's a translation of the text underneath the first interview:

Nelonen entertainment news met director Juuso "Uzi" Syrjä, who 15 years ago directed the music video of Darude's Sandstorm hit song, which rose to an international superhit.

Nelonen met the man on top of the stairs of the Helsinki Cathedral, where the video's events start. According to Syrjä, for whom Sandstorm was his first music video work, the song as a feeling of going forward, so during the initial scripting process there was an idea of making a driving video, but it got turned down. Based on special effects man Misko Iho's idea they decided to make a video where "people run around a fucking lot".

And so people ran, Syrjä laughs.

The video, which has received tens of millions of views on YouTube, was made long before YouTube was invented, so Syrjä dare not even think how many views it would have had, had the video service been available at the time.

How has Sandstorm affected the director's own career?

JIP | Talk 19:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is a translation of the second video clip:

Director Juuso Syrjä, you had to resort to a bit of illegal activity during the filming.

Well, quite often. We made a music video with a passion, and making a film is a good excuse to do anything. We can always say "We're making a film", and people reply, "Well, go ahead and make your film", and you can drive car on railroad tracks, as we did when making the video, and we painted a graffiti, but the police came and told us to stop, so we covered up nicely and apologised. So yes, it involved a bit of small illegal activity.

I have myself been thinking about people running on the stairs. The stairs are really steep. Were there any accidents?

No. As far as I remember, there were no accidents anywhere else. One of my favourite pictures has to do with the stairs: Ville was sitting on the stairs, and the actors were running down the stairs, so two pigeons land there, very finely, like beautiful doves were coming down from the heavens. Quite a lot of people have asked me afterwards if they were computer generated, or did we have some buns or such as bait, or how did we lure them there, were they trained birds. Well, in good things, things sometimes happen purely out of luck, it was pure luck that it was good weather, and the birds flew there, so that was a good memory about the stairs.

What do you think that the song and the video accomplished for Finnish club music?

Well, for sure it has opened doors. We have had skillful directors, skillful producers. Even today it feels like that fine things pop out of this small country. I would mostly want that if someone were to break out of here, people would forget about stabbing them in the back, and instead pushed forward and helped them. In small circles you can see it, the people who were around Darude helped us. And the whole starting place was that Ville went abroad for the first time, going to an MTV party for the first time. It was really a big change in Ville's life, and how it of course helped people around him, and he's a honest, sympathetic good guy, so it was good to see how we could go forward, and we can push things to the world from here.

What would you think is the reason this video and song are still around today so strongly even though 15 years have passed?

Well, maybe because it has got a reputation of a classic. It has got a lot of tribute videos, people have commented it. I saw a YouTube blog video, where it was discussed, that there has come a concept from somewhere, so that everytime someone asks "What song is this?" the answer is "Darude's Sandstorm", even though it might not be, so it has become a thing that just keeps spreading, the answer is always "Darude's Sandstorm".

JIP | Talk 19:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

And here's a translation of the text underneath the second video clip. That's enough for today, it's late in the evening here, I'll go to sleep in a couple of hours.

Syrjä, who has made his subsequent career as a director of advertisement films and music videos told Nelonen's entertainment news how they had to resort to a small bit of illegal activity when filming the video. According to him, making a video is always a good excuse for a small bit of illegal activity.

You can always say "We're making a film" and people reply "Well, go ahead and make your film", Syrjä laughs.

The director firmly believes that Sandstorm, which became an international hit, opened doors for Finnish techno musicians. However, he calls forward working together. When someone breaks out of here, I would want people to forget stabbing them in the back, and instead push the successful artist forward.

Syrjä also expresses his own opinion about why Standstorm is still interesting in 2014.

JIP | Talk 19:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot for all of this ! Synthwave.94 (talk) 01:42, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello, it's me again. I just started improving the music video section and wanted to know what this article specifically says about the video. For example, I would like to know what are the places n°3 to 7 in the map. Are they streets or well known places in Helsinki ? The article also seems to talk about MTV (and probably music awards). Again thank you very much for your help ! Synthwave.94 (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is a translation of the article:

A stormy escape through the streets of Helsinki

The video of Darude, nominated for the MTV awards gala, makes Helsinki known throughout the world

Kimmo Oksanen
Helsingin Sanomat

The Turku band Darude has today on Thursday evening one of the nominees for the international music channel Music Television's "best Nordic performer" category in Stockholm.
This is the first time that a Finnish music product has reached a nomination in the contest, which ranks as one of the most influential in the world of music.
Now there are two Finnish nominees, as Freestyler by the Helsinki band Bomfunk MC's has also been nominated both for the Nordic and for the "best European newcomer" category.
The video made for Darude's song Sandstorm has, like Freestyler, been shown on Music Television for months.

Viewers of the European music channel have seen for hundreds of times, as the models Mirella Koulias and Tiina Hillilä from the Paparazzi model agency and Joonas Mäkilä playing a police officer run through the streets, alleys, stairs and courtyards of Helsinki according to the beat of Sandstorm.
The composer of the song, musician Ville Virtanen, follows the escape from behind his sunglasses.
The performers first descend from the stairs of the Helsinki Cathedral to the Senate Square. The scene was first supposed to be filmed at the House of Estate, but they didn't get permission. Then we suddenly switch to Huvilakuja in Eira, Vuorimiehenkatu, Laivasillankatu and Puistokatu in Kaivopuisto, Lapinlahdenkatu and the railroad chasm in Kamppi and finally to Ruoholahti to go overseas on a boat.

The viewer thinks, where are we going? The route is impossible in reality, but who cares, the main thing is that it looks good.
"The special effects man Mikko Iho said that we'll do a chase! Then we were thinking, could it happen on the streets of Helsinki?" the director of the video Juuso Syrjä explains.

The scenes of Helsinki are being viewed in Darude's video on a live broadcast throughout Europe today, and throughout the world in broadcasts afterwards.
When the video was shot from 19 to 20 May, the sun was shining in Helsinki and the city was beautiful.
"We had to go with how the sun circles this city", Syrjä explains about the "route". The director also noted one thing: "There is a lot of yellow houses in Helsinki."

The shooting angles were chosen so that no logos or names of shops would be visible on the film. The citizens of Helsinki were kept out of the picture. "People look stupid if they haven't been styled", claims Syrjä.
A large Sandstorm graffiti was painted for one scene. The shooting crew were afraid they wouldn't get permission, so they made it without permission. The crew trespassed on the tracks by breaking open the gate, drove a car along the tracks and painted a graffiti on the cliff face in the middle of the day.
"The Danish cameraman Jens Maasbøl said that everything you're now doing is illegal... Looks good!" explains Syrjä.
The police came to the scene three times and finally they told the crew to cover the graffiti with white paint.

The budget for Sandstorm was 150 000 Finnish marks. According to Syrjä, it was so embarassingly small, that when discussing with the professionals in London, they always had to lie it was many times bigger, otherwise no one would believe them.
Not everything could be bought for that price. For example, the "escape bag" was on loan from a bag shop. Before it could be returned, the stylist Sanna Rusila backed up her van right on top of it.
The boat in the final scene was also on loan, as was the police dog Arro who barked at the runners.
In England, the video was banned from viewing for a short time, as it shows weapons and a scene where someone is kicked in the head.
In Germany, Arro was the victim of censorship.
"Arro's part was cut away from the German version. The German shepherd dog has a stigma of being a Nazi war hound there. It's not funny at all", explains Syrjä.

Contest songs on Music Television today starting at 14. The contest broadcast starts at 22 and continues to 24, and after that is a rerun of the program. The potential number of viewers of the gala throughout the world is over a billion.

The "route" of Darude's Sandstorm through Helsinki:

  1. The Helsinki Cathedral
  2. The Senate Square
  3. Huvilakuja
  4. The courtyard and gate of Vuorimiehenkatu 1-3, and the dog Arro
  5. Puistokatu to Laivasillankatu
  6. The railroad chasm, Lastenkodinkatu to Työmiehenkatu
  7. Ruoholahdenranta to Kellosaarenranta

Pictures: The video of Sandstorm, cameraman Jens Maasbøl

JIP | Talk 17:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

About Katja Kettu[edit]

This article has just been started. I'm looking for references. Though I'm basically your standard monoglot English native speaker, I can wander around in Germanic and Romance languages OK, but I'm completely lost in Finnish.
(To my shame, I can read much more German - a language I've never studied - than Japanese these days, and I majored in Japanese at College. I wouldn't have a clue how to ask for street directions in German. I'd have no problems asking for street directions in Germany - I'd just ask in English.)
Could you possibly have a little look into this? Someone might nominate it for speedy deletion otherwise.
Onya, mate.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that Finnish isn't an Indo-European language, btw.
Off on a bit of a tangent:
I can't remember when, but I saw a YouTube video of about a Rally Finland car that ran off the road and hit a tree.
The decals on the car's front window for the driver and co-driver were Finland Matti Meikäläinen and Finland (Insert Swedish placeholder name here)
They talked to each other in English all the way through the video. Even after the car hit the tree. "Oh, shit", said Meikäläinen or (Insert Swedish placeholder name here).
Face-smile.svg --Shirt58 (talk) 10:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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