User talk:JNW

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The problem with ANI is any arsehole can say anything-- and that they do :) Don't be discouraged! The wheels turn slowly at ANI, but every now and then, things get done. There seem to be still one or two admins around who "get it", and they eventually show up. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, you were always pretty extraordinary, thank you. On several occasions I've reminisced with Modernist re: Tyrenius' departure, and the consequent loss of stability to the visual arts landscape. As for my reactions, they're unacceptably short-fused--anybody who expects to get what they want, and right quick, is not behaving with much maturity. That said, this is yet another opportunity for me to acknowledge that Wiki is not the right venue for me anymore. By the way, long ago two admins asked me to become an administrator, and were willing to nominate me; Tyrenius was one. That was a disaster waiting to happen...would have ended up blocking half my visual arts colleagues...again, thank you for the note above. Very much appreciated. Cheers, JNW (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
JNW, the issues that are affecting you and art content are affecting all of us everywhere. There really is no good reason for any of us to be still here, still trying. Except one. The good folks here. Don't leave Ceoil, Modernist, Kafka, etc all alone :) Hang In There !!! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
No, Sandy, with the exception of an occasional relapse, and far too many IP incarnations with the purpose of reverting vandalism, I checked out long ago. For years this was a great place to cut my teeth on the business of crafting an article, something that has paid dividends in the outside world. I'm enjoying nearly total editorial freedom at several publications--imagine not having to supplement every sentence with a citation!--and receiving paychecks for doing so has closed the deal. One of the things I used to complain about here was the absurdity of writing in a noisy atmosphere; even well-meaning colleagues, let alone disruptive agents, could crimp the process. Writing, like painting, is best done in solitude, and tendered for reading when it's done. And then, one doesn't desire the prose be picked apart by multitudes. A single trusted copy editor is sufficient. It was all fun, though. JNW (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, there's no good counterargument for begging you to stay, and I hate it when people do that, since this place is so unhealthy. "May the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields." Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:53, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
And begging is so unbecoming. The place is unhealthy, but that's the nature of intellectual willfulness and egocentric exchanges--most of us want to be right, which is funny, considering that all acceptable contributions to the encyclopedia are based on scholarship done by others, and not by ourselves. And I don't have to mention the demographic disparities. I don't think we corresponded much, but I always recognized your great gifts here. Please feel free to drop a line if you ever have a question or comment. JNW (talk) 15:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
And, incidentally, I'm certain you've had occasion to experience far greater ambivalence about Wikipedia than have I. For me, better pastures presented, and I'm enjoying the grazing. Swell, a livestock metaphor. JNW (talk) 15:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, well; I think we can safely write that one off. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Sandy. Very best always, JNW (talk) 00:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Your re-edit at Kayastha[edit]

User:JNW Your reverted edit let-portrays defamatory views about the concerned community (Kayastha). Some info I edited out is much misleading to the public and causing dignity loss of the people of the community. I used the same sources as there were earlier, so how can they be 'poorly sourced' when back then they have been marked fine/good. DO read this article by a reputed society, and most importantly the section about "The decisive law suit". The then ruling British Indian Govt. had marked Kayastha not related to the Shudras ;Kayastha- Kshatriyas or Shudras? Pls. consider this as a request, it is unjust for the community's people , the general public is getting mis-leading and wrong information.Indianwiki (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Harsh Warnings[edit]

I've noticed you're giving level 3 and 4 warnings straight away to users. Please consider using the softer level 1 and 2 warnings first, and always Assume Good Faith. Please also consider reading what is not vandalism. Also, the template I applied to your talk page earlier was not misplaced, and I was not insinuating or assuming you were vandalizing. Instead of reverting what I placed, consider leaving me a message on my talk page to discuss things, or replying to me here. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 13:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

  • There's really nothing to discuss, and I'd appreciate your not leaving any more messages here. In short, yes, your warning to me was inappropriate, as I'd reverted the user's vandalism to the article they were attempting to create to a previous version. Their disruption, in addition to several attempts to create an inappropriate page, consisted of removing the speedy template and substituting it with an unrelated article that had been copied and pasted (I notice that this misappropriation has been perpetuated here [1]. Additionally, rather than suggesting I leave your messages, it's beholden upon an editor to respect another's prerogative to remove warnings from their talk page. There's nothing about this exchange that's been helpful to me, other than reinforcing my conclusion that attempts at retirement, although in my case unsuccessful, are justified. And I do find a mild irony in your choice of wording for this header. JNW (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
  • User:SandyGeorgia, as to our discussion above, I submit this thread as a minor example. JNW (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Bbb23. JNW (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Kethrus, sorry, but you were wrong here. The editor here knows very well what they were doing, and they were doing it correctly. There is no requirement that one start with level 1, and the good faith policy you pointed to applies to you as well, and it invalidates the warning you placed here.

    I encourage you to look more carefully and more better at what's going on. The version of that article that JNW tagged for speedy deletion was in fact nothing but a copy of Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg, and JNW, as subsequent comments suggest, was well aware of what they were doing. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

  • From what I saw it looked as if the user was test editing, and the warnings given by JNW were over the top. I did check all the recent reverts on the page before it was speedy deleted. My apologies for any inconvenience caused, but I was only going by what I saw on that article and the history, I also spoke to someone else on IRC about this and they agreed that's what it looked like. Obviously now I know the bigger picture I know I was wrong and I apologize for that. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 20:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Kethrus, I appreciate that, but the thing to do would have been to ask, "hey, why'd you tag that as vandalism, instead of as test edits?" (Nevermind that the thing was also a copyvio at that stage.) Or, you could have changed the tag to A1 or something like that, with an explanation in an edit summary. That's why we have AGF, because maybe the editor knows something you don't, and simply dropping a templated warning is just not the way to go. I grant you that this takes more time, but a. hey, that's the way it is; b. in most cases it's not that complicated; and c. the speed of Twinkle and Huggle is sometimes too enticing. Finally, d. one can learn from getting into conversation with editors. That's what I did before I became admin (and there was no Twinkle for a long time), and I'm still learning. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:03, 14 September 2015 (UTC)