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Add dplbot maintainer[edit]

Despite two uniform applied and different themes people are still confusing DPLbot with my tools, reporting connectivity problems to me. Can't beat'em? Join them. So this is my request to become a maintainer and receive access to webservice start (and adding that mobile one-liner...). — Dispenser 00:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I had already replied to this. I'm fine with making you a maintainer, I'll set it up when I get a chance. --JaGatalk 01:43, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
@R'n'B: Would you mind adding me to dplbot's maintainers? — Dispenser 17:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
@Dispenser:  Done - now, by any chance do you think you could resolve the issue that is preventing the bot's PHP scripts from logging in to Wikipedia? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:36, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Its using the SxWiki that hasn't been updated in 4 years. Looking at m:Special:ApiFeatureUsage I see login-params-in-query-string which was deprecated around October. — Dispenser 20:07, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't surprise me. I don't know enough PHP to fix it myself. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
I rewrote the login function with my limited PHP, seems to be working. — Dispenser 22:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 January 2016[edit]

Refining the email message -DPL bot and her friends[edit]

DABSolver and her friends: Firstly a thank you for an excellent tool, a great time saver. Now a suggestion for an extra tweak. On Thunderbird I get sent a message

DPL bot left a message on your talk page in "Disambiguation link notific...". Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Joan Bakewell, you added a link pointi...

The rest of the message has been truncated- and a link click sends me to another tab in the browser. I really want to see the meat in the email. The text is obviously truncated on length so could the message be reversed so the important bit is shown. I would remove the "Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that" , and put it a message footer. If this is an attempt to be nice to newbies fine- look at the editcount and keep the existing message for those with less than 100 edits.

Another wasted opportunity is the message title

DPL bot left you a message on Wikipedia

could be changed to

DPL bot left you a message on Wikipedia:Re Joan Bakewell

All this is about prioritising my time- some dabs require immediate attention while other can be enjoyed over a cup of coffee.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I used to have a less wordy intro, but was asked to make it more "friendly" by the former Wikipedia CEO, I forget her name, she's gone now. Basically her angle was "I worked so hard on an article, and now this bot is browbeating me, you need to make it nicer", so I niced it up. I would prefer a more direct message as well, but I think it's best not to ruffle feathers when possible. You're the second person to suggest a shorter message for experienced editors, though, an idea which has merit. I'm so busy these days I've no idea when I could get started setting it up, but I'll try to get around to it at some point. Thanks! --JaGatalk 01:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I too very much appreciate to receive those DPL bot messages, but I agree with the OP, these long-winded messages are so much sugar-coated to be friendly, that they can be annoying.
Examples? "Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help." This may be great approaching newbies, but experienced editors usually know what they are doing, they don't help out, but contribute and manage and make things work (and sometimes they make mistakes), and while they appreciate feedback on their work as well, they don't want to be thanked by some automated process which cannot even evaluate the value of one's contribution - actually, being treated like a kid belittles their work. Also, experienced editors are at the very heart of Wikipedia, so receiving messages as if they were outsiders ("Wikipedia appreciates", "We noticed"), and even by a bot, is like a slap in their face. "We noticed though that when you edited xyz, you added a link pointing ..." Sounds as if someone committed a crime. "It's OK to remove this message". Definitely meant to be informative and super-friendly, but whenever I read it I am in fact somewhat annoyed as I certainly don't need someone else's permission to delete stuff from my talk page. ;-) I hope these examples illustrate the point.
What I would find more useful (and appropriate in a collaborative project) is a short notice in list style of the links that need to be reviewed without much ado. Something like: "DPL bot found the following links pointing to DAB pages in articles recently edited by you - if you find the time, please recheck them to be correct. Thanks. List:"
As the bot scans a user's talk page for opt-out info anyway, wouldn't it be possible for it to look for another kind of hidden token telling him to choose a short notice instead of the long and over-friendly default notice? So, experienced editors could opt-in to this short notice, while other users still receive the default message?
Greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

What if the DabLink really is what I want?[edit]

When I was editing the Glasgow Coma Scale article, there were a few references to Supraorbital, but it was unclear which real article was intended, and the disambiguation page sufficiently defined the word, so I intentionally linked to it, I suppose hoping that an expert on the topic could finalize the link. How can I call up an expert to correct the link or flag it as correct as it stands??

Thanks, WesT (talk) 18:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the definition would be best in this case. I would link to the Wiktionary definition: Supraorbital. --JaGatalk 01:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 February 2016[edit]

The Signpost: 10 February 2016[edit]

The Signpost: 17 February 2016[edit]

The Signpost: 24 February 2016[edit]

Over on the commons[edit]

Hello JaGa, did you notice the message I left you over on Commons? --Midas02 (talk) 07:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, no, I hadn't. Thanks for the ping. I don't know what his Toolserver account was named, but there's no Bryan or Bryanbot project or user on the new Tool Labs. I would try asking the same question at WP:BOTREQUEST to see if it's possible to recover an abandoned bot. It might be possible, depending on the permissions the user set on his account - and assuming old Toolserver accounts are backed up somewhere. --JaGatalk 15:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I believe User:Silke WMDE deleted the backups (to save <$500? :-( ). — Dispenser 16:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks both for chipping in. I've logged a message, I'd appreciate it if you could keep an eye on it as well. I'm not into the whole bot thing. Thanks, --Midas02 (talk) 21:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Cookies![edit]

Christmas Cookies Plateful.JPG Here's a plate full of cookies to share!
Hi JaGa, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! 67.241.15.174 (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


Justice for andrew[edit]

I believe I am being set up by the police department concerning andrew sadveck

Nice bot re disambiguation pointer[edit]

Say, usually I don't like getting automated emails but your bot that detects when an edit is made that points to a disambiguation page was just excellent! The bot explanation was reasonable and polite. I realized the point and popped onto Wikipedia to make the fix. I had pointed to APL when I shoud have used APL.

Thanks for helping keep Wikipedia tidy!

Steve

Congrats[edit]

Congrats on your graduation and on starting med school! Best of luck! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Russ. I hope things are going well with DPL. --JaGatalk 18:16, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Bot is editing while not logged in[edit]

Hi, great bot, thank you very much to all who worked on it! I accidentally linked to a disambiguation page, the bot did a good fix, and the message it sent allowed me to further refine the link.

Right now it is not logged in, it edits as 2601:541:4500:1760:A508:B7C:1EE8:A293 but still sends out messages. I think that's a bit confusing to some, see the "Welcome" on the 2601:541:4500:1760:A508:B7C:1EE8:A293 Talk page.

-- Peter NYC (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Peter NYC: Although those logged-out edits are indeed concerning, they don't appear to be from JaGa's bot. They don't have the same edit summaries nor are they the type of edits this bot typically makes. (Edit: In fact, looking more closely at the edits, it's not at all clear that they were from a bot at all.) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @R'n'B: Well, 2601:541:4500:1760:A508:B7C:1EE8:A293 fixed a disambiguation in a cite here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_H._Taylor&diff=898572731&oldid=898495779&diffmode=source and then I got an email saying "DPL bot‬ left a message on your talk page in "‪Disambiguation link notification for May 24‬". Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Charles H. Taylor, you added a link pointing t..." and there was a message on my talk page.

-- Peter NYC (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Um, yes, both of those things happened. That doesn't mean they're connected. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:30, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @R'n'B: I don't want to be difficult, I'm still learning and want to learn more about bots, but how can these two things happen and not be connected? -- Peter NYC (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Let's look at the timeline --
So the anon user's edit was three and a half hours after the bot made its daily run.
In any case, DPL bot only does a few specific functions, which are listed on its user page, and those don't include fixing links to disambiguation pages in articles (which can only be done by human editors except in special cases). If you look at DPL bot's contributions in the main namespace, you'll see that (1) the edit summary always begins with the prefix "Robot:", and (2) the only edits in this namespace are to add or remove the {{dablinks}} or {{incoming links}} templates. The anon user's contributions don't match up with either of these criteria. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


(talk page watcher) @R'n'B: I really appreciate that you took the time to explain all this, thank you very much! -- Peter NYC (talk) 00:16, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 May 2019[edit]