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Glen Shiel ne doit pas être confondu avec Glen Sheil.[edit]

Thank you for correcting the link in Mullach Fraoch-coire. Normally I might have just given you a little "thanks" click except my mistake reminded me of something from the wikipast. I was looking at the article on Stac Lee, a tiny sea stack of rock jutting out of the Atlantic miles and miles from the Scottish coast. I happened to notice French Wikipedia had a featured article about it – fr:Stac Lee. And there, just in case there might be some doubt, there is the hatnote Ne doit pas être confondu avec Stan Lee – Stan Lee, the creator of Spider-Man! Thincat (talk) 09:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

A lovely anecdote. Thank you, Thincat. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 09:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

French Accents and How We Love Them[edit]

Hi JackofOz,

You left a note on my talk page wondering about the accents on "ecole normale de musique" (too hard to put those in right now). Technically, wiki is correct in its more recent spelling. But I went to school there, and I still have a transcript from them, now quite old, that uses the accents I have on my home page. Yes, spelling revisions do happen from time time despite the efforts of the Academie. What can I tell you? Wiki never called it the "Ecole Normale Nadia Boulanger" either, but that is how the French government often refers to it today. So, you pick!

xoxo Laguna greg 19:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laguna greg (talkcontribs)

Fascinating stuff...[edit]

...thanks very much for sharing this, most interesting. Alas, my recent ancestral research has yet to unearth any notable relatives, living or dead. But somewhere along the line, I believe some of my lot impregnated a few loose Irish lasses back in the 1700s, or thereabouts. Who knows, with a bit more research on my part, I might make your list! CassiantoTalk 23:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Nikolaus Harnoncourt[edit]

Thanks for catching my boo-boo so quickly. Skudrafan1 (talk) 12:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Libera me[edit]

There was a discussion about no italics for common Latin incipits (Magnificat, Requiem, Libera me, Tantum ergo), - only I forgot where. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, I saw that some sections were italicised (Libera me, Pie Jesu), but others weren't, so I applied some consistency. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Encyclopedia[edit]

Hi, JackofOz. Olivia de Havilland was not born in Japan, as the country of Japan did not exist until 1947. She was born in the Empire of Japan. This edit summary is uncalled for, and not even original. We are trying hard to build a fact based encyclopedia here, and to that end I am trying to keep things factual instead of fuzzy. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 18:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, User:Checkingfax. You know, I did check my "fax" before I made that edit. And if you were to click on Japan, you would see that the above is quite inaccurate. I appreciate that the Empire of Japan existed between 1868 and 1947, during which time O de H was born in Tokyo. But to say that the country of Japan did not exist during that period is, well, crazy. The Empire was just a small part of what has been a very long continuous history of a country going back to at least 660 BC. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Retirees and renomination[edit]

Hi Jack. I saw your comment here and it reminded me of a question I had that I think got lost in the Palmer discussion last week. Has anyone ever changed their mind about retirement between the dissolution of parliament and the close of nominations? I know plenty of people have announced retirement and then changed their minds (like Turnbull), but has it ever happened in that brief window? And if it did, would that person's service be retroactively changed so that their term did not end at the dissolution? Frickeg (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

In the same way that someone might {{retire}} if there's a chance of a block? That kind of tactic goes on all the time leaving admins to say: "Oh, well there's no point in blocking him/her now as I see they've retired". A few days then pass and the template suddenly comes down making any such block a punitive one. Politicians, I imagine, would be worse for that. CassiantoTalk 11:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, User:Frickeg. I can't bring one to mind right now, but I'm sure there have been some.
As far as the Parliament is concerned, however, a Member's public statements and their valedictory speech in the House are certainly not binding. At close of nominations, they will check the names against the current members and then, and only then, can they say with certainty who has retired and who is fighting on. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I've had bit of a google and found these two (not recent):
  • Senator Albert Gardiner, 1928. Gardiner did indeed retire from the Senate and was going to leave politics altogether, but decided to stand for a lower house seat, unsuccessfully
  • Bert Evatt, 1958. I can find no corroboration about Evatt, although he did switch from Barton to Hunter in 1958. Maybe he was considering retiring as it was unlikely he'd win Barton, but was persuaded to stick around in a safer seat.
I don't know whether either of these guys ever formally announced their retirement and had to publicly retract it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm wracking my brain for any cases where this has happened - what about Colin Barnett? The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Barnett, I think, misses by a day (our article has him winning the leadership the day before the election was called). I'm surprised about Evatt, and also can't read that link at the moment, but the date seems too early to fit the window. I had always thought his Barton to Hunter shift was simply him moving to a safer seat as leader, like Kim Beazley moving from Swan to Brand. Frickeg (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I thought so too, but I googled for "changed his mind about retiring", and that's precisely what he was reported as saying in 1958. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Louise and Charmian Faulkner disappearance[edit]

Louise and Charmian Faulkner disappearance. This was brought to my attention. I have to agree with the comment on the article's talk page - The Faulkner family or friends of the victims created the article as a way of bring attention to their campaign for justice. Nuke the article? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 17:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, definitely started by family members. "Melissiah" is Louise F's daughter . But that alone does not mean the article has no place. It's been there for almost 10 years now, and various editors who are not family members have edited it, most recently by removing large chunks of unsupported, or cut and pasted, text. And removing the blatant BLP violations.
This and this tell me it is not a high-profile case in 2016, but it does have some small claim to notability. I'm a fence sitter at the moment, I'm afraid. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello Jack, I need some advice.[edit]

I'm gonna be in Tassie, in July, for a couple of days. (For me, it's like realizing a dream...)

Ever been there?

I know something about Tasmania - mainly from tour websites telling about it - but they have economic interests, so I'd like also to get some "clean" recommendations - from Aussies or from individuals (rather than companies) who have been there for many times (at least twice) - about what sites in Tasmania (in their opinion) are a must for foreigners like me who have never been there (nor in Australia) and about anything a foreigner/tourist should know before visiting this wonderful island. Since I have no Australian acquaintances (nor acquaintances who have visited there), I thought about you (We sometimes meet at the reference desk, don't we?). Thank you in advance:-) HOTmag (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, HOTmag. I've been there three times: once on business, and twice for sightseeing. But before I say any more, I need to know where you'll be based. Also, is your time totally free, or is it limited by some other purpose for your visit? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I still don't know where we will be based (any suggestions?), but it's going to be a trip / journey for a couple of days (the exact number does not depend on me), in mid-July.
Actuallly, it all began on Sunday, when my boyfriend surprised me, saying he wanted to give me this trip as a gift for my 17th birthday.
I was surprised ! Really, I'd told him many times about my dream of visiting Tasmania, to see its beautiful landscapes and to get excited by its breathtaking views (Sub-Antarctic Garden, Russell Falls, and the like), but I'd never thought he would take this idea practically ! A month ago, i.e. long before the surprise, he said to my parents (without his knowing I was listening) something like: "I must take her to Tasmania, I want her to get excited, and to feel what I always feel when I look at her"; But I was sure he was just kidding. Now I know he was not...
We will probably take a direct flight from Los Angeles to Melbourne, and another direct flight to Tasmania. Anyways, the whole plan is stiil in process. We are open-minded and are mainly open to interesting suggestions. How about King Island, by the way? HOTmag (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Oh, thank you so much, JackofOz !
It's really an amazing diversity of sites. I didn't expect that, and I appreciate what you've done, including your pithy comments and also the links, that really help!
I love most of the links; Not all of them, though: Personally, I prefer landscapes to museums (and to breweries, unless the Tasmanian breweries have something special to show - to a person like me who doesn't drink alcohol), but I did like the links of the other sites you've suggested. However, now I'm a little confused, because I see that Tassie has so many interesting attractions, even more than what I thought: Markets (oh I really love markets - how did you know that?), gardens, mounts, docks, bays, valleys, canyons, I like such things! The photos of Battery Point and of Richmond look beautiful as well, and make the choice even more difficult. A real dilemma...
To sum up: I have to think about it, and I've got only six weeks for that! Maybe I'll try to convince my boyfriend to add an additional day...
Btw, have you ever been to King Island?
HOTmag (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Not yet. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 03:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Anyway, I've decided to give you three barnstars, for your help, diligence, and kindness:-)

Compass barnstar.png The Guidance Barnstar
For Jack's help. HOTmag (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
For Jack's diligence. HOTmag (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For Jack's kindness. HOTmag (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


Btw, I'm not American: Really, I'm about to visit my American relatives in July (I'll be in US for a week) - before my flying to Tasmania, but if I hadn't been about to visit them - then for getting to Tasmania from where I live - I would probably have had to take the opposite direction (i.e. a direct flight from Amsterdam to Singapore - and a second direct flight from Singapore to Tassie - without any stopover in the Australian mainland). However, thanks to my visit in Los Angeles, the whole journey to Tasmania becomes shorter.

I was rendered speechless by this triple honour. Thanks very, very, very much. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Btw, Don't you agree to the response I've given to your last response in this thread? HOTmag (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Not entirely. Let me ponder it some more. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ref desk deletion[edit]

Jack, hi. As you may have noticed, I've deleted your reply to a VoteX posting on RD/L. By all means restore it, or perhaps post it to her latest talk page, if you want to - I naturally agree with the sentiment you expressed - but I don't think it's really relevant without the antecedent. Tevildo (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Vote (X) for Change. Tevildo (talk) 23:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Good edit on Franklin![edit]

Nice one. First really new material for quite some time. Cheers mate. Irondome (talk) 00:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh, this?. Thanks. I've been aware of the curious coincidental connections for some years but only now got around to digging out some decent cites. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:47, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
The very one. Irondome (talk) 00:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Spiegeltent[edit]

This was a concept that had escaped my notice until a few seconds ago, but now Google tells me that there are two of these things here in London. I have set myself a challenge to bring up the word "spiegeltent" in conversation within the next week and amaze my friends and colleagues (or at least puzzle them). Alansplodge (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Enjoy your frolic. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Murder of Kylie Maybury[edit]

Could you help me in adding the information about today's breakthrough in the case - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/man-arrested-over-historical-child-abduction-and-murder/news-story/1c59dc4508b341474473ce6042a2be37 - to Murder of Kylie Maybury ? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 03:50, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Overtaken by events. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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Serenade for Strings[edit]

Teach me: I am sure that Serenade is a generic name, like Sonata, but would think Serenade for Strings is not, as Serenade for Jack would be. No? The article can't decide, italic in the lead, but not in the article title. Can you decide? - Many compositions are still missing in the template, - so many songs that I wonder if they should have their own? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. Now fixed. Thanks, Gerda. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:51, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Ben Bradlee Jr.[edit]

Hi JackofOz, I've moved Ben Bradlee, Jr.Ben Bradlee Jr., requested at WP:RMT as uncontroversial per WP:JR. You were involved in a move to a name with a comma, so I thought it courteous just to give you a message. Thanks. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 18:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

That was kind of you, Andy. Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:56, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hi![edit]

I left a comment on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#Miracle Mineral Supplement! Mage Resu (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I saw it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Australian winner of military cross[edit]

Hello. Would you mind very much adding Captain Edward James McNabb to the Australian winners of the Military Cross Award for World War 1. He was also mentioned in dispatches. He was in the 18th Australian Infantry Battalion. A Brigade Transport officer. Information available from Australian War memorial. I would greatly appreciate your help to see he gets the recognition he deserves on the anniversary of this battle. Many thanks Kylie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.234.191 (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kylie.
I presume you're talking about the Category Australian recipients of the Military Cross.
Each of the entries in a category is an article. It appears that McNabb does not yet have an article of his own. That would be because either (a) he is not considered to meet Wikipedia standards of Notability, or (b) he would pass that test but nobody has yet got around to writing his article. You are very welcome to create his article if (b) applies. See Wikipedia:Your first article for some help on how to go about this.
In the meantime I see that he is listed at the Military Cross section of 1918 New Year Honours. Search for his name there by using Control + F.
Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for the feedback re Australian Military Cross recipient. I have information from the Australian National Archives on him. I will look into writing an article. Kind regards, Kylie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.234.191 (talk) 05:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Regarding...[edit]

...this,[1] the IP is right. "Etymology" means "origins of words". "Word etymology" means "word origins of words." Don't fall prey to the RAS syndrome! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I suggested there be a discussion (in the appropriate place). Go for it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
The IP brought it up on the talk page. Feel free to weigh in. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:06, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Ta muchly. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)