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Egg sucking[edit]

Thanks for the laugh! (Always appreciated.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Happy to make your day. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


It's actually a very poor (on my behalf) attempt at irony. Best wishes '''tAD''' (talk) 23:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I see. I encourage you to try harder.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


There's probably no official term for what Lindgren is now, so I'm fine with your changes, but just FYI Bob Carr was described as a "senator-designate" in The Australian before being appointed by state parliament [1]. Likewise for Mary-Jo Fisher [2] and Peter Whish-Wilson [3]. IgnorantArmies (talk) 11:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, the papers are just making it up as they go along, imho. The -designate tag applies to people who've been officially named as the next state governor or governor-general but are yet to be sworn in. It is also sometimes applied to premiers-elect and prime ministers-elect, because some commentators take the view that they're not directly elected by the voting populace at large, but merely by their parliamentary parties. That's all good. But people in Lindgren's position are not that. Their party has chosen them as their nominee for the replacement senator, and their party will nominate them to the state premier, who will in turn move in state parliament that the nomination be accepted. In the ordinary course of events, the person will then be appointed a senator. But it ill behoves us to jump the gun and take the parliament's decision for granted. Queensland particularly has a history with this sort of thing, with the ALP's nominee Mal Colston being denied a seat in 1975 in favour of Paddy Field, and we all know how that turned out. I'm not saying anything remotely like that is going to happen with Lindgren, particularly with a Labor govt in charge, but the principle is the same. Political parties get to nominate people, they do not get to decide who will be appointed; that is the sole prerogative of the parliament. The constitution has to mean something in all these matters. Otherwise, we may as well start referring to candidates in very safe seats at general elections as "members-designate". No, I hardly think so. In that case, the people haven't had their say yet, so it's presumptuous to assume the outcome. In the Lindgren etc cases, the people's representatives in state parliament haven't had their say yet either, and it would be equally presumptuous to assume the outcome. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:59, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


Jack, you could at least have pointed to the edit warring against me over the recent racist nonsense at misc in which my view was vindicated and the IP, a proven sock, was blocked, or you could have pointed the OP to the copyvio and obscenities on the humanities page which was unhatted so we could see his screaming and obscenities. (Thankfully, Jayron has shut this down.) Obviously you and I don't always get along, but I have come to expect you to take the right side in disputes and not, in moral equivalence, to treat the accuser and the accused as equally controversial. I am surprised you'd be so happy to throw meat to yet another driveby whack-a-mole sockpuppet, than close his nonsense yourself. μηδείς (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Assuming you're referring to this?
I see you've either not read this appeal, or are choosing to ignore it. I chose Option (b), albeit couched in my tell-tale dry-as-the desert austral humour, which I sometimes forget does not translate well to foreigners, for which I accept full responsibility. But wait ... no, I retract that. I used the expression "literally millions of pages". You know me well enough by now to know that I would never use "literally" to mean "figuratively" - unless I was being deliberately ironic. Having a laugh at the OP, whether they knew it or not. (Anyway, we all know the list would probably not exceed a couple of hundred thousand pages.) I rated your astuteness somewhat higher than that which you're making it out to be on this occasion. Not more of that pretending to play the sophomore par excellence, I hope.
It looks like you're preferring Option (c): Making a issue of something that's best left alone. If you can explain why that's a good cause to be championing at a time when all about us editors are losing their heads and blaming it on you, be my guest. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:12, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I do accept that yours was an attempt at humor that I (and presumably the IP) missed it. It's moot, thanks to Jayron. I am a little frustrated, because I wasted a lot of time on thursday dealing with the racial nonsense and edit warring at the ref desk when I had wanted to translate material from a Spanish article to improve the Texas and Oklahoma flooding article at ITN. Being dragged to ANI and the talk page then attacked by a single time proxy on misc itself is frustrating. Sorry for being snippy. μηδείς (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, BTW, the IP that posted the "on Christmas" question shows as a suspected proxy server. I suspect the whole point was to show that if Christianity were true, God wouldn't allow natural disaters on his birthday. I did actually spend five minutes looking for places, I thought answering literally was both fun and informative. If the user is not a proxy, his first two edits are very interesting:
23:36, 21 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,109)‎ . . Talk:Australia–New Zealand relations ‎ (→‎obviously kiwi wikipedians had a lot more input into this article then the okker wikis)
19:56, 20 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+13)‎ . . Nazeem Hussain

μηδείς (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm here to help write an encyclopedia, not to be a latter-day Simon Wiesenthal. I have no time, and even less appetite, for hunting down evil doers and their evil doings. I accept they will always be with us (which is not to be read as my condoning them). I have never, ever, checked out an OP's location before answering their question, and I won't be starting to do so any time soon. To me, that is a breach of at least the spirit of WP:AGF. If you and others like User:Baseball Bugs want to spend energy sussing out potential trolls, and gaining your jollies from seeing them punished, good on you. But please leave me out of these activities. I'd much rather just ignore them, and in so doing, deny them the attention they crave (see Option (a) above). They'll soon get bored and go elsewhere. Trouble is, that's still only a theory, because there are always those who prefer the militant route, and they disrupt the progress of this fascinating social experiment in passive non-involvement. Maybe they, in their well-meaning way, sometimes do worse harm than the trolls they're purporting to persecute. Who knows? Not I. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:42, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Cat stripping on Freemasonry by country articles[edit]

Just wondering why you've stripped cats out of several "Freemasonry in X" articles. MSJapan (talk) 23:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, for example, we had the article Freemasonry in Luxembourg in the categories Freemasonry in Luxembourg and Freemasonry by country. Problem is, the first cat is already a sub-category of the second, so all the articles in the first cat are included in the second by default and don’t need to be re-included by hard coding. To do so would be to engage in a form of WP:Overcategorization.
Please see WP:Categorization#Subcategorization for the standard explanation. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that[edit]

This was a mistake, I tapped the wrong link and apparently it went through even though I tapped "cancel". Sjö (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

That's OK, then. Thanks for explaining, Sjo. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

First ever...[edit]

euggh. DuncanHill (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


I withdraw my withdrawal. My original apology stands. Now, get this: You have no idea how much it cuts me to the core to be told I'm "guessing". If I'm told I've got my facts wrong, fair enough. But for someone to make such an insulting claim, IS a personal attack, to me, and for anyone to claim that I don't have the right to take it personally, that merely adds to the pain of the original attack. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:42, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for withdrawing your withdrawal.
I accept that you feel personally attacked by the claim that you were guessing.
I don't believe anyone has ever said that you don't have the right to take it personally. I certainly have never said anything like that. I argued, fairly strongly, that ABC is a personal attack while XYZ is not. That was an expression of my opinion, it was not some ex cathedra decree about what you may or may not feel. You or anyone have every right to have a different opinion about what constitutes a personal attack. But instead of arguing on the merits and principles of the general question, you chose to personalise it, massively. And I wasn't even the one who said you were guessing.
For the record, I still think that a discussion of whether an editor is guessing or not is a discussion of their behaviour, not about them personally. All behaviours have an agent, and if we take the focus off the behaviour and switch it to the agent, that's when trouble starts. It's a slippery slope to have guidelines that allow anyone to claim "personal attack" for any comment on their edits, no matter how innocuously negative. Which is why I started the discussion about what is and is not a personal attack. I may have come across as too categorical, and for that I'm sorry, but it was meant to stimulate discussion, and in that it succeeded.
Put it this way: if someone wrote "1 + 1 = 73", and someone else disagrees, could the first editor reasonably claim to have been personally attacked by the second? Hardly. Certainly, they can claim that their feelings have been hurt, and nobody could ever gainsay that. But can we take people's hurt feelings into account in these matters? I don't think that works. There could be occasions when an editor really is personally attacked, and they don't get offended at all but just blithely laugh it off. Even so, they have the right to ask for a withdrawal, because our rule is "No Personal Attacks". It's not "No Attacks Which Hurt Editors' Feelings"; otherwise we'd all be calling for the immediate shutdown of Wikipedia every time anyone reverts one of our edits.
But at the end of the day, as I said above, I accept you feel the way you do. One way to ensure no further claims of guessing is to provide a reference for whatever you post. That is, after all, what we're supposed to be doing with our responses to questions. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 02:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Hatnote in Ray Chen[edit]

If {{other people}} doesn't work, why not {{distinguish}} instead? --George Ho (talk) 11:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Go for it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Raymond Burr[edit]

Hello JackofOz, I noticed you'd pondered 'Who am I confusing him with?' on Raymond Burr talk page back in 2011. Don't know if you have since clarified but it immediately brought to mind Roy Orbison. His article only mentions 'His life was marred by tragedy, including the death of his first wife and his two eldest sons in separate accidents'.

Here says 'A dark period ensued as Orbison’s private life began to unravel as well. In 1966, his wife Claudette, who he married in 1957, was killed in a motorcycle accident. Matters turned worse two years later when two of his three children died when his Hendersonville house burned down (Roy sold the lot to his best friend Johnny Cash. Cash’s home at the exact same location would also later burn to the ground.)' and Trove - CT 16/9/68 here dates fire Sat 14/9/68.

Right timish, just a coincidence re Roy/Ray? Regards JennyOz (talk) 06:19, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Wow, I think you must be right, Jenny. Memory sometimes plays strange tricks. Thanks.
With a username like yours, we must be almost neighbours, maybe even relatives. Oh, I also hate the word "overarching". -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon[edit]

Would you be willing to help me with Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon? and have a lot of results when putting in Joanne and Kirste's names. I just need help fleshing out the article. I'm not the world's best editor or writer. Paul Austin (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Places for topics[edit]

Regarding this Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Joke_of_the_Day - when you say it's not the place for that, I'd say it's not not the place for that either. I saw a regular user sharing a reference and some humor, and I replied by sharing another reference and an observation. In my opinion, humorous asides are better off on the talk page than on the ref desks. I know I've made the odd joke on the ref desk (and a few recently!), but I only really started doing it once it seemed to me that many people enjoy/tolerate that kind of thing, at least when used sparingly. Anyway, it's not like that thread was attracting tons of distracting contributions, and I think a little well-intentioned collegiality on the talk page is a nice break from some of the bitter arguments :) SemanticMantis (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Humorous asides are one thing. I have perpetrated many myself. But "aside" assumes there's something to be aside from. A tangent that doesn't actually touch a circle is just a common or garden ordinary line. We tolerate tangents, within limits. We don't tolerate lines. So this particular one is harmless. Is that the test of inappropriate posts now? Because if someone else comes along and opens a new thread that has nothing to do with improving the Ref Desks, and someone else removes it or objects, the originator would be within their rights to point to this precedent. I don't like thin edges of wedges or rods for ones' own backs. Far better to nip harmless things in the bud than let them through and suffer the consequences later. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 05:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I guess you'd be against it, but I had thought in the past of seeing if anyone was interested in posting some "Did you know..." type content on the talk page. Basically like we do on the front page, but perhaps with more varied and interesting content from our varied and interesting ref desk contributors. I don't think it would harm anything, and I think sharing some links now and then for fun is good for the ref desks overall - building morale, etc. Plus who knows - maybe some of the links at that thread will be useful for people when addressing future questions. Cheers, SemanticMantis (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't be against that, if we had a consensus to operate that way. I would even support such a consensus coming into being. Please go ahead and propose it, you know where. Expect some opposition.
But until then, the purpose of this (or any) talk page is to improve the associated page. All inappropriate threads can be deleted, or hatted, or objected to, and that applies whether it's gross vandalism or innocuous stuff like this one. I've taken the least of those 3 options. So far. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Alby Schultz[edit]

Can you pls tell me if Alby's talk page is broken? My browser only shows 2 old entries on there. Thanks. - JennyOz (talk) 08:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It seems OK to me. The latest edit is yours from 15 July. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks but the actual talk page I mean. I can see many entries in its history but only 2 in browser. When I open the edit window on talk, it also only shows the 2 entries. Ta. - JennyOz (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Oops, my bad. Nope, there have only ever been 2 actual talk threads. All the other edits related to the banners etc at the top. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much - palm forehead! Will now add my questions there. - JennyOz (talk) 08:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Moving templates[edit]

Hello, I spotted that you've moved a few templates recently - just thought I'd let you know that if when you do this, you need to update the "name" field also, so that the VTE links work. Here's and example of what I mean. (I often forget to do this too!). --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Rob. I never knew that. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the Clough quotation, was just what I needed to read. All the best, DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Duncan. My Mum used to come out with the first line, when I was down. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


Hi Jack. Everything I have seen in the past month or so has indicated to me that she will be resigning imminently. This indicates she gave her "final press conference" as a Greens representative; here she talks about her "last press conference as a senator", so I think we can take it as read that she will be resigning formally when parliament resumes. You're right that the initial news suggested she would hang around ("won't contest the 2016 election", etc.), but this is very common for resigning senators. Frickeg (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 09:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Do_rapists_consume_more_porn_than_non-rapists.3F could have an answer. Sociologists and psychologist care about much less important stuff.

And I am not sure whether the question was so bad, at least, it is not the worst question on the RD right now.--Scicurious (talk) 00:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Jack, I too think the question is answerable (not in terms of a siple yes/no answer, but in terms of links to references). Would you mind unhatting so I can take a stab. Abecedare (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind. WNT unhatted the discussion while I was posting here, and I have responded there. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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I think I can't reply since the original comments are now hidden, so am replying here. No worries mate. I guess you just found 'iwi' a novel word that happened to be some Brit's name. Cheers. Akld guy (talk) 21:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal attack?[edit]

He apologized. I think he assumed that when I wrote "Mey" I somehow meant "Medeis". (You know what? I never saw it. The hat was put on and taken off while I was asleep here in the States.) But thank you very much for your support. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The Mey/Medeis thing never occurred to me. I was only dimly aware of who had claimed it was a personal attack, but regardless of whoever it was, there was just nothing about it that justified it being so characterised. So I decharacterised it. If I now re-read it on the assumption that "Mey" meant Medeis, I still think it's drawing an impossibly long bow to call it a personal attack. If Mey had not been mentioned earlier in the thread, then I could sort of perhaps see how a misconclusion could have been jumped to - albeit it was still a very long jump, one that Carl Lewis would be proud of - but he had been. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
It was just stupidity and myopia on my part. I already apologized to Stephen, as you'll see on his talk. I have been called various names derogatorily based on my user name, and blindly jumped to the conclusion that the "submit to Mey" remark on the RD was somehow a really odd out-of-the-way means of insulting me. I am sure you are used to my itchy trigger finger, Jack. Pa' mejor explicarlo: большой нелюбви μηδείς (talk) 01:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
You're being very hard on yourself, Medeis. Keep it up. :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Could of been...[edit]

...really should've been could've been. I'm going to blame my spell checker on that one ;) --CassiantoTalk 09:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I see. Spell checker atrocities are well known, of course, What concerns me more, however, is that you admit to actually using one.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 10:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
On an iPad it corrects your spelling as soon as it's been typed. That's not really helping the world's spelling problems I know, but it certainly makes my life a lot easier; after all, I'm just a working-class lad from humble beginnings.
Good Lord! I assumed I was conversing with someone of an appropriate social class. You will kindly leave, by the tradesman's entrance if you don't mind. My servants count the silverware every day, in case you're tempted. Good day.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Haha... *sulks off* -- CassiantoTalk 19:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Alphonse David Rockwell[edit]

Hi, noticed your long running question at Talk:Electric chair and I think I came up with an answer. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Editors Barnstar Hires.png The Editor's Barnstar
Hello, I just created Jayson Gillham's page

I would be very grateful if you could have a look at it. I used the Piers Lane page as a template but I fear I am all at sea. I edit under the name London opera Londonopera (talk) 17:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the barnstar.

I've done a quick and nasty cleanup. A few things:

  • Never refer to subjects by their given name only (Jayson), as if they were personal friends of ours. It's the full name (Jayson Gillham), or the surname alone (Gillham), or a suitable pronoun ("he" in this case).
  • Do not use "recent" or "recently". That requires a frame of reference, which by definition is constantly receding into the past. What was "recent" 5 years ago is not recent anymore. What suffices for a newspaper article or website does not necessarily suffice for an encyclopedia article. WP articles should be written assuming they will be read by a rolling cast of readers forever, and so tying the text to the time at which it was written is always a bad idea.
  • The text reads is if it were taken directly from some promotional material (their own website, or that of their management, for example); that would, of course, be a copyright infringement. I see you've already been warned about this issue with Richard Divall. It's fine to draw on such sources, but the words must be changed to be the editor's own paraphrase. Also, do not rely wholly on a subject's own material. Hunt down critiques, interviews, essays, articles etc about the subject written by independent journalists, authors, commentators etc – whatever you can find using a google search. As long as they're published in reputable and reliable publications.
  • Apart from that, you seem to have the general idea.
  • Oh, you don't need to copy the URL to refer to an article; that takes us out into cyberpsace and then back into WP, which is the long way, at least logically. Better to stay within WP by using double square brackets to link any WP article, viz. [[Jayson Gillham]] gives us Jayson Gillham. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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Murder of Margaret and Seana Tapp[edit]

Just to let you know of the latest addition to Wikipedia's informative murder porn project. Paul Austin (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

A Leg Up[edit]

Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the cryptic thanks. Unfortunately, I don't know who you are or how I may helped you. This must be the reverse of a Magnificent Obsession.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Edmund Lawrence[edit]

You can move it back if you like; although one of the reasons I did capitalize the title was for following a precedent with these two articles:

Although whether the above articles do need renaming is a dubious issue. Thank-you for the advice. Neve-selbert (talk) 09:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Looking into things, I think it would we should keep it the way it is: governor-general is, in fact, actually capitalized on the title of the main article (with general capitalized as General). Neve-selbert (talk) 19:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I think those two cannot act as general templates. They're both Latvians, so we have to go to their specific roles, and that means including their actual job titles. By that, I mean "Latvian President" is another way of saying "President of Latvia". But if one of them had been Latvian and the other some other nationality, we'd have had:
  • Andris Bērziņš (president)
  • Andris Bērziņš (prime minister).
Also, see WP:Disambiguation: To conform to the naming conventions, the phrase in parentheses should be treated just as any other word in a title: normally lowercase, unless it is a proper noun (like a book title) that would appear capitalized even in running text. Generic references to presidents, prime ministers, governors-general, governors, popes, bishops, field-marshals, attorneys-general, chancellors and what-have-you are all in lower case, exactly as I'm doing now.
Look at any number of more general cases: for example John Kerr (governor-general), Robert R. Livingston (chancellor), Charles Lee (attorney general), etc. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Agreed and Yes check.svg Done; moved page to lowercase governor-general. Neve-selbert (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

You crack me up![edit]

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My way of being of service, Sebastian. (I'm listening to music by your namesake Johann Sebastian while I write this. How serendipitous.)
I always look forward to new encounters with editors hitherto unknown to me. I read your user page with great interest and enjoyment. I noticed your interest in Peace in Sri Lanka (also known as Serendib). Have you been there? My partner is from SL, and he's taken me there twice for month-long visits with his family, once during the war and again more recently. Wonderful experiences. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:22, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
No, I've never been there myself; only armchair traveling thanks to Wikipedia. Yes, serendipitous it was how I got involved! Earlier this year, I met another interesting Wikipedian who also loves Sri Lanka, Carptrash. — Sebastian 23:00, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
And who is listening to music by your namesake, John Sebastian. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Carptrash, nice to hear from you again! Yes, Bach is an amazing composer. Our next concert will be anchored on his Magnificat. — Sebastian 16:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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June Mendoza AO OBE[edit]

Hi Jack, I wonder if you could have a look at the fixes I have made to June Mendoza.

She was listed as a British painter when she is actually a born and bred Australian from Melbourne. I fixed that and included her AO listing and her association with Australian painters but I can't fix the stub notice at the base of her entry. Could you help me please?

I will try to get more detail over the coming weeks.

Thank you Londonopera (talk) 18:37, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I made a few changes to June Mendoza. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:54, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you −−−− — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonopera (talkcontribs) 12:02, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Turnbull still Min for Communications[edit]

In the administrative arrangements published on Tuesday (at Parliamentary Information on the PMC web site, but misleadingly lableled as Administrative Arrangements Order made on 9 July 2015) he is still listed as Minister of Communications. At the Dept of Broadband, Communications etc he is also listed as minister. I am sure todays's hansard also lists him as minister but I will check.--Grahame (talk) 09:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes today's Hansard also shows him as Minister for Communications.--Grahame (talk) 09:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. So, how are we to interpret his statement that he resigned his commission on Monday afternoon? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 10:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
It clearly was not processed. Presumably he made a statement to Abbott but nothing was done formally to process the resignation in advance of the coming reshuffle.--Grahame (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Also the Ministerial arrangements tabled by Turnbull at 2:30PM on 15 September (p27 of Hansard) lists him as Minister of Communucations.--Grahame (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand what "processed" means. Once the Governor-General receives a resignation, it becomes effective immediately, according to the Constitution. I can only conclude that the G-G never received it, meaning Abbott never sent it to him. I **guess** this is equivalent to the resignation never being submitted by Turnbull in the first place, which would explain why he's still shown as the Minister. But I've never heard of such a thing. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
My guess is that Turnbull never put it in writing or that if he did Abbott never sent it to the Governor-General. He had other things to do.--Grahame (talk) 12:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Still, it makes a mockery of his purported resignation from Cabinet, which he was duty bound to do once he advised Abbott he was challenging him for the leadership. I guess if he did whatever was necessary to resign, then it's not on his shoulders if it never went further than Abbott's office. Thanks. Always something new in Oz politics.  :)
OTOH, Turnbull must surely be aware, as you and I are, that he's still Min for Comms. He's in a position to do something about it. But maybe he figures it's been "overtaken by events", and since there's a reshuffle happening before Monday, he may as well just stay put in the interim. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I presume that when Turnbull turned up at the GG's for swearing in (or earlier over the phone) he advised the GG that he intended to reappoint himself as Minister of Communications and they agreed that since his resignation had not been forwarded it was easiest to do nothing.--Grahame (talk) 01:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. But it would be good to have something on the public record to reconcile all this, rather than people like us speculating about what must/might have happened. I'm sure Laurie Oakes or Paul Kelly will document it in their book about the Abbott/Turnbull years. I'm sure there will be such a book. But now I'm speculating again.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 03:00, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


[4] Enough was enough, at least for me. Let me know if you have a differing opinion. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

No, I completely concur. The man seems obsessed beyond all reason.
Ironically, I keep having this nagging thought that his theory may have more than a grain of truth in it. If I ever find time to read through his blog etc, I'll do so, but it's like reading a whole book, and I hate reading books online. The character of the author personally, as displayed on this site, further dissuades me from any desire to read his works. All that aside, if independent sources have chosen not to comment on his theory, that's their call, and our hands are tied. If only he would see that. At least he wasn't abusive this time around, but he was still pushing his OR. So, toodle pip, Sir P. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:23, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Looking for Jack[edit]

Hello, my name is Kimberly Kennedy of Chester, VT. Jack was a very close and dear friend of mine, we spent many times together discussing life, art, education and of course his favorite, books! I have not spoke to Jack since he left Chester and moved into his son Johns home, for a while John would keep me posted on Jack via email, then Jack moved to his other sons home. I have tried to email John with no response. I was wondering if you may have any information as of his condition and if he is deceased or still with us. My email address is : or you can contact me at 802-376-4229. This is in no way to Retrieve any private information nor financial, I simply miss my friend and would like to know how he is and if he is still with us.

Sincerely, Kimberly A. Kennedy — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Kimberly. I don't know why you've posted this on my user talk page. Why did you pick me out of about a million Wikipedia users? I'm here to help write an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a service for tracking down people you've lost contact with. Even if we did do that sort of thing, which we don't, we'd need a lot more information than you've given me. I mean, I'm sure there are many people in Chester VT named Jack. My name's Jack too, but I live in Australia.
Sorry if this was not the response you were expecting. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 10:04, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
There are a lot of Jacks in Australia. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:49, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Most of them named after me, no doubt.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 09:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Have you ever met a Lachlan? I've never even heard of one. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:11, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
Lachlan Murdoch? Lachlan Macquarie? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
They don't ring a bell. "The Father of Australia" helps explain the apparent popularity, though. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:30, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure you've heard of Lachlan Murdoch's father, the American newspaper tyvoon Rupert Murdoch. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Of course. "Rupert" is also a bit of a weird name, for a human. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:52, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

There's no invisible orchestra following us around and punctuating our daily lives with a lush music score[edit]

Saw that quote in this statement and immediately began thinking of this video :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Good one.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 09:51, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

US Law[edit]

You may be unaware, Jack, but US law has illegalized certain such relationships even when otherwise okay by the age of consent. I have already reported it to the wikimedia foundation. When they get back on the actions of the user which has solely been in this area, I will eat my hat and restore the discussion, if need be. μηδείς (talk) 04:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Of course they're illegal, but as I said in my edit summary, nobody is advocating any such activity. We can discuss all manner of illegal activities on the Ref Desk. Why is this one especially taboo? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


Please see this FYI note on my talk page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the info. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 10:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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