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Potsdamer Kickers[edit]

I'm currently updating football club articles in Brandenburg and came to the Potsdamer Kickers article in the process. I can't find any indication that this club is notable in any form, never having played above tier seven Landeliga level it seems. As the creator could you let me know what its notability is before I nominate it for deletion? I looked in the links but its pretty much orphaned as well. Thanks, Calistemon (talk) 08:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Calistemon, I created this article a long time ago and thought it was pretty cool that they had never been relegated. Whether or not that was grounds for notability, I do not know. Times have changed a lot! Anyway, the women's team competed in the 2013–14 DFB-Pokal der Frauen, which should qualify for notability. I have added a wikilink to the club in said article. Have a nice weekend! Jared Preston (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
No worries, the DFB-Pokal participation of the women's team settles the notability question. I know what you mean, sometimes I look back at an article and wonder why I bothered creating it! Have a good time, Calistemon (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you would be so kind as to add a short section to the article (something like "Women's football team") along those lines. I'm really not up to standards on footie articles of late, spending way too much time on tennis biographies and statistics. Having said that, what with the zillions of footballers qualifying for notability, there's a lot to be done in this field too. I'm very thankful that you've taken time to clean-up and update some of my older articles, especially here about the clubs. That's very kind. German football is so cool, a great atmosphere for any fan, and the action of lower league football in and around Berlin and Brandenburg is some of the best I've ever seen. If it wasn't for the fact that I don't live there any more, or my strange hours at work, then I'd love to be back on the pitch or visiting the stadium or Sportplatz every Saturday. Jumpers for goalposts! :) What actually got you interested in German football, if I may be so curious? Jared Preston (talk) 13:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Like you I don't live there anymore and only support my local team, FC Augsburg from a (very long) distance. The only time I ever get back to Germany seems to be during the summer break and I have not seen my favourite club play since 1995! The task of cleaning up all the club articles in Germany is daunting, there is so many. I have previously focused only on Southern Germanh, because of time constraints but doing a boring night shift on a remote mine in Western Australia has given me a bit of spare time. Calistemon (talk) 14:12, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Hungarian spelling[edit]

Here it is listed as Csöregi on the Twitter page of the Hungarian Tennis Association. I think we should stick to this. here Keroks (talk) 06:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

A colleague over at Wikidata also found this news article with the "Csöregi" spelling. Jared Preston (talk) 11:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Lina Gjorcheska[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure about this, but should her surname be written as Lina Ǵorčeska? If you put her name in Cyrillic into google translate Лина Ѓорческа, it comes up with that form of spelling when it is romanised. Not too sure about this though as there isn't much information about the letters. Keroks (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Not only because all sources spell her name "Gjorcheska", if you see the Wikipedia article "Romanization of Macedonian", it seems that the letter Ѓ can be transliterated as GJ. So it seems the usual spelling as per WTA/ITF et al. is fine. Jared Preston (talk) 13:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Tournament flagicons[edit]

Hi Jared, just a gentle reminder that flagicons should only be used for players and not for tournament locations (per WP:Tennis and MOS guidelines). Keep up the good work. --Wolbo (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your support in updating ITF player articles to comply with WP:MOSICON. There have been several discussions in the past on the proper use of flagicons in articles, and debates on that topic pop up with some regularity. This shows points of contention still exist regarding their usage but there is a broad consensus that they should not be used for (tournament) locations, even if some sources, such as the ITF website, use them for that purpose. Almost all player articles on the WTA/ATP level have already been cleaned-up so I was surprised to see that so many ITF player articles still use them. If we comply with this part of the guidelines we have a stronger position in any future discussions on using flagicons for the representative nationality of players; it will at least show we are not flagicon-fetishists. --Wolbo (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata parameters[edit]

Hey, Jared. How do I add birth place and birth name to the list of Wikidata parameters for a given profile? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Dirtlawyer1: Hi, under "Statements" click "add". In the left hand box you then see "property" where you can either type date of birth, or the property number P569 and then on the right hand side add what is known of the date (i.e. just the year, or the month and year, or the full date) and press save. With "birth name" (P1477), you add the full name given to the person at birth, and where the language box shows up underneath, add their native language. If the person is Russian, for example, you'd give the whole name (including patronymic) and specify Russian. Again, all you need to do is hit "save". Hope that helps. If you want be to do any particular edit for you on a Wikidata item, just specify what and where. Jared Preston (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Jared. I'm not trying to do anything fancy, just get the basic datapoints down on the Wikidata profiles before the persondata templates get removed. A lot of folks bought into persondata for the last 5 or 6 years, and it would be a shame to see all of that work wasted by simply removing it without any real effort to transfer significant and accurate data like fullnames, maiden names, married names and birthplaces. Is there any plan to do another Wikidata bot run to pick up newly entered persondata brief descriptions, etc., since the last bot run? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea who runs what bot when and how, but a lot of work is also done semi-automatically by users such as you and I, too. As for maiden names, only rarely have I seen those detailed with persondata's "alternative names", so that obviously has to be added manually. I see you have already been busy adding aliases of maiden names today already! Jared Preston (talk) 18:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
More married names than maiden names. I've spent a lot of time working with American college athletes and Olympic swimmers from the English-speaking countries over the last several years, and invariably women athletes in their late teens and early 20s are widely known by their maiden names, but most later get married (some more than once). Those are the accurate name variants I'm keen to preserve. I've also noticed that whether the birth place has been imported into Wikidata is rather hit-and-miss. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── FYI, Jared, here's an example of what the Wikidata-persondata transfer bot missed in the last article I just edited: [1]: occupation, birth place, updated brief description, full name. The transfer bot is leaving behind a lot of perfectly accurate and usable information. I just transferred all of that data manually to Wikidata. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

why you moved it back?[edit]

hey man, it's al sUbah. We don't say sAbah. Sabah is a lady's name . Khaleejian (talk) 07:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Funny how he's been known by that name all of his life until you came along and moved the page. Jared Preston (talk) 13:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Navay Asatid (album)[edit]

Hello Jared Preston. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Navay Asatid (album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: the artist Alireza Eftekhari has an article, so WP:CSD#A9 does not aply. Album may not be notable - consider PROD or AfD. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

@JohnCD: your call. Note that the article has since been blanked by one of the prolific Iranian spammers. Jared Preston (talk) 13:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

WikiData question[edit]

Hey, Jared. My Wikidata interface previously displayed English, French and Spanish language input fields in the top section of article profiles, and I was using all three for input data. I have accidentally screwed something up, and now it is only displaying English language data fields. How do I restore the French and Spanish fields? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

@Dirtlawyer1: I never had any luck by setting the languages in "Preferences" by Wikidata, which is the reason why I created a babel box. I'd suggest you do the same. Maybe it's some sort of javascript problem, a Mediawiki bug has been affecting many bots, especially here on Wikipedia the last few days, but I guess that's not it either... Have you heard of LabelLister? This tool is very, very useful for adding/editing labels/descriptions/aliases in any language. You can activate it as a gadget and I don't know what I'd do without it! Jared Preston (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Jared. I activated the LabelLister gadget in my preferences, but nothing happened. I tinkered with the language preferences some more, and then I got Spanish and French labels to re-appear (minus the Chinese, which was previously present). Not sure exactly what I did, but it seems the gadget somehow interacts with the main language preferences. Works for me, but I'm not sure I could duplicate the process. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey, JP, what's the correct Wikidata parameter to use for honorary inductions, like membership in the College Football Hall of Fame, or the International Swimming Hall of Fame? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@Dirtlawyer1: with hundreds of properties on offer, I don't know if there is a special one for inductions, but what you could do is use P166 (award received; award or recognition received by a person, organisation or creative work), see how it is already used in the item about U2 for example, together with P585 (point in time) as a qualifier. For a swimmer link Q744713 (International Swimming Hall of Fame) and the point in time for the date of induction. I don't think there's anything wrong with that; data is data, whatever property is used. The important thing is that it's added! Jared Preston (talk) 17:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Two photos uploaded by you on 8 September 2013[edit]

Hi Jared,

For your information, please note this (and consequently this).

According to her ITF junior profile, Indy de Vroome played against the Swedish Ellen Allgurin during that tournament (2011 Junior US Open). And the face seems to match her photo of one year later.

For good understanding: I am not blaming you. I guess that the photographer (robbiesaurus) made a wrong note of the player's name when shooting at the 2011 match.

Kind regards, Vinkje83 (talk) 22:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, robbiesaurus made the mistake which I just copied back then, not knowing any better. Since you very kindly pointed it out, I had a look around and found Richard van Loon's set on flickr, which confirms who is who. I don't think there is any doubt left, so I asked on Commons for the file names to be changed, which has just been done. The files are now located at:
Thanks for letting me know! Jared Preston (talk) 08:37, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Well done! Thanks for taking these effective measures. Vinkje83 (talk) 09:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Joan Ingram[edit]

Hello Jared,

I suspect that the 'Joan Ingram' who played tennis in the 1930's (and possibly also table tennis in the 1920's) might not be the same person as described in the article Joan Ingram (no birth date there, alas).

Perhaps this is a matter you might be able to investigate and possibly solve, somehow.

Thanks and regards, Vinkje83 (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vinkje83: I'm not quite sure why you're asking me as I've never made any edits on tennis-related articles going back that far in time. First of all, I found this (@, and with my findmypast account, can at least confirm that those details are correct (although the date of death for this particular "Joan Mary Ingram" could have been at any time in the first quarter of 1981, I don't see where the "March" comes from). I guess the Scottish broadcaster Joan Ingram is a different person, as is the Joan Ingram at IMDb. What else can I do? I don't own any tennis archive books... Jared Preston (talk) 19:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry for bothering you about something that now appears to be outside your area. Somehow you have become my primary point of contact about women's tennis on en-wiki. Perhaps you know any colleague who operates in the far history of tennis, and pass the matter on?
In the meantime, I did what I could do to split the three persons up. See the new Joan Ingram. Hopefully I did't violate too many local rules, being from a different wiki. Vinkje83 (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not that you bothered me. Please, if you have any questions, I am always willing to help where it's possible. I know you'd do the same! Maybe Wolbo is more knowledgeable on this one. As for the new disambiguation page, that seems fine to me! Jared Preston (talk) 20:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a lot of info at hand on Joan Ingram, but I'm happy to have a look to see what can be found. She should have an article. In any case, the three instances of Joan Ingram seem to be separate persons so the disamb page is fine.--Wolbo (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Kristina Pliskova listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kristina Pliskova. Since you had some involvement with the Kristina Pliskova redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. 333-blue 08:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC)