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 Unician   06:17, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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List of Fraternities and Sororities at the University of Minnesota - Alpha Phi Omega[edit]

I'd like to work with you to fix the entry for Alpha Phi Omega in List of Fraternities and Sororities at the University of Minnesota. The Alpha Phi Omega which is a member of the PFA (and is the one linked to) was founded in 1925 (And as such couldn't be founded locally at UMN in 1902). However given that I have found at least 9 local Fraternities and sororities bearing the name Alpha Phi Omega (including one National Professional Beauty Parlor Fraternity/Sorority), I'd like to help put this apparently local group, and the National Fraternity each in its proper place. I presume that you are using Baird as a source, which edition? and any other info?Naraht (talk) 14:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Goes to bookshelf, pulls down 1920, 1923, 1968 and 1991 Baird's (Yes I own them. :) )'
I know what the entry for Alpha Phi Omega says at the beginning VII-2. However, a couple of points. If you look at the entry for University of Minnesota on II-115, there are *two* entries for Alpha Phi Omega, one for 1902 and one for 1942, no other school is doubled like that. Similarly there are two on page VII-2, one for Minnesota Alpha where *no* other chapters are named using state names and one for Gamma Psi near the end of 1942 which is in the normal chapter lettering (the fact it is near the end of 1940 is that Baird's Alphabetized within the year since they don't use day/month.
In addition the 1968 version of Baird's has no mention of such a chapter. *And* Alpha Tau Omega at University of Minnesota was founded in 1902. Alpha Tau Omega *does* use State/Letter combinations and while their chapter for U of MN is Minnesota Gamma Nu, I think that may be part of it. In addition, the University of Minnesota Archives shows no activity prior to 1938 http://special.lib.umn.edu/findaid/xml/uarc00306.xml and the University yearbook in 1943 shows them as forming in 1942 (http://umedia.lib.umn.edu/node/567865 click on page 172 on the left (which is page 168 in the books numbering)) and the National Fraternity lists their founding as 4/18/1942 (http://www.apo.org/Member/ChapterProfile/95) as to they in documents submitted to the school (http://www.studentservicesfees.umn.edu/historical/14-15_Applications/Student/Alpha%20Phi%20Omega%20application.pdf)
So even though the 1991 Baird's shows both 1902 and 1942, three other secondary sources don't show it (the 1968 Baird's, the school archives and the school yearbook) as well as two primary sources (National Fraternity and documents submitted to the school.Naraht (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I think you figured it out. Let's call this another Baird's error, for which I will make the edit. I'll note the discrepancy in a footnote. Thanks! Jax MN (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
No Problem. I'll keep this in mind if anyone edits the List of Alpha Phi Omega chapters (chronological) page. I'm an alumnus of Kappa chapter of Alpha Phi Omega at Carnegie-Mellon. I initiated in Fall of 1986.Naraht (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Psi Omega chapters[edit]

On this page, you've got five different ref entries labelled "Delta Mu Chapter website, accessed 22 September 2014." but they all link to different sites. I think you need to fix the titles to the refs.Naraht (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Ugh. Rookie mistake. I meant to change those labels. Thanks for noticing it - they're correct now. Jax MN (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

What's left[edit]

I swear it would almost be easier on the List of Psi Omega chapters to list what dental schools they don't have chapters at. :)Naraht (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Order from Baird's[edit]

I've worked with Baird's enough to know that the default in most editions for listing chapters founded in the same year is *English* Alphabetical order. So if for a Fraternity, Alpha was founded in 1901 and Beta, Gamma and Delta were founded in 1902, Baird's will listed them in the order Alpha, Beta, Delta and then Gamma. This gives *no* proof that Gamma was founded after Delta and in general if a fraternity is using the Greek Letter Order (or close like Psi Omega), I'll expect it to go the other way.Naraht (talk) 15:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

source on O'Neill[edit]

Hey, I undid your revert on the source for K. O'Neill as E-D of FSPAC; the Today Show episode was the source for his title as he's not listed on the PAC's website. I didn't mean for it to seem I was trying to seed the article with salacious refs. I feel safe in saying we're probably ideologically symmetrical. BlueSalix (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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for thankless work creating a number of chapter lists DOCUMENTERROR 01:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Xi Sigma Pi[edit]

I see you created most of the article on Xi Sigma Pi and the list of chapters. I found out what happened to Iota. The state of Pennsylvania merged the Forestry Program at the Penn State Forest Academy (which is now used as the campus of Penn State Mont Alto) with the program at Penn State. http://students.washington.edu/xsp/history/ and http://montalto.psu.edu/Information/ourhist.htm .Naraht (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Fraternity Pins.[edit]

I noticed that for Psi Omega, that you loaded the Pin image into the Crest entry in the Infobox. I proposed discussion about a separate entry on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities , I'd appreciate your input.Naraht (talk) 12:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Draft:Pi Lambda Sigma (sorority)[edit]

I think we may have overwritten each other, I'll try to avoid that...Naraht (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Me too, Naraht. I didn't realize you were still in the page. It looks better now. Jax MN (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
NP. When I told Primefac that I felt that I had reached the end of the internet, I momentarily forgot there were things before the internet. :) While I'd love to add history between founding and merger, what sort of events would there be likely to be between the most important ones.?Naraht (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
The fact that the Founders originally contemplated a non-sectarian sorority was interesting, and you've added symbolism, etc. The sorority that absorbed them has a JPG of their pin, which may be useful for readers. I suspect daughters and granddaughters who may be doing genealogical research would be sniffing around this. And alumnae of the four chapters that received Pi Lambda Sigma at its demise. Jax MN (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
The question of where the pin image should be is a completely separate issue. :) Agreed..Naraht (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Screamingly Funny or Sad take your pick[edit]

Naraht (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I am liking the Pi Lambda Sigma entry more and more. And the Theta Phi Alpha page isn't bad, it's just lots longer, as a thriving group. Meh. I'm not about to start culling and cutting. Jax MN (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
So on a scale of 0-10 of support with 5 being meh, you were a 6, now you are an 8, I guess. :)
Naraht, nice work in collaborating on the Pi Lambda Sigma site. Should be ready to resubmit soon. Jax MN (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
See comments on the talk page for the draft. I finished going through the relevant yearbooks for Quincy and Creighton, of which there obviously weren't many (5 or 6 for Quincy, 4 for Creighton). I'll be mailing a check to BU for copies of a few pages of what the Archivist there feels like are the most "text filled" pages there. Still find it so different between schools that have *every* yearbook on archive.org and those that won't even scan them for internal use.Naraht (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah - the University of Minnesota finally, finally put theirs on line. Nicely formatted, and searchable. So, I use them quite a bit. Jax MN (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
So any more ideas on Data Sources?Naraht (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
You've hit on the usual suspects: Bairds, the succeeding organization's history, and collegiate yearbooks. Anything else I might find is ad hoc, perhaps from an obit, or random Google mention. Jax MN (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
My problem is that the Baird's that I own aren't from the main time period of activity, I've got the 1920, 1923, 1968 and 1991. If we could find a 1940 or a 1949... Also, do you know of anywhere we could get the Banta's?Naraht (talk) 01:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I haven't found these online. The University of Minnesota's Wilson Library has a full set of all editions of Bairds. But not digitized that I know of. Jax MN (talk) 04:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
The ones after the 20s are still under copyright.Naraht (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Theta Phi Alpha[edit]

Two things. After all of your changes there are two </ref> entries in the text. Also, the cite web entries went to specific pages of the document, are you sure that combining them and losing that is worth it?Naraht (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw those and fixed them. Also, caught an error in the primary usage of that ref, where the page number of the first citation should have been removed from the body of the ref, and ported out to the {{rp|page#}} tag. WP allows that tag to indicate multiple referenced pages in the same document. See Template:Rp.

Jax MN (talk) 05:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I understand how RP works, but with that, the book reference should be changed to remove all pieces that refer to a specific page and the main one still directs to page 60 both in the main link and the archive.Naraht (talk) 12:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Really? I thought I had fixed that, too. I looked for it (referring to p.60). I'll check later today. The page is looking better. Jax MN (talk) 12:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Look at the actual URL and archive url.Naraht (talk) 12:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Chimes[edit]

Was National, not now

http://honoraries.wvu.edu/chimesChimes Junior Honor Society for women was founded in 1918 at Ohio State University. In 1948, when Chimes became a national organization, the WVU women’s honorary Rhododendron became affiliated with the national organization of Chimes. Although the national organization later disbanded, some chapters (including WVU’s) decided to retain the name and symbols of Chimes.

Chimes opened to male membership in 1977. Naraht (talk) 16:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Naraht. I note that the Minnesota chapter formed in 1948, the same year of Chimes' move to form a national. This suggests it may have evolved from an earlier local at my school. I'll look into this via a yearbook search when I have some time. Jax MN (talk) 17:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Cool. 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Pi Sigma Epsilon[edit]

Am working on User:Naraht/Pi Sigma Epsilon.Naraht (talk) 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace.Naraht (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
As to the template we ought to use for honor and professional societies, has there been any discussion about setting off the chapter list on a secondary page, versus incorporating it in the main organization page? Both styles have precedent. Pages for smaller fraternities, with a dozen or less chapters will routinely show a table of chapters (in some format) on the main page. But I don't know if the Fraternity and Sorority editors have set a rule for this. Your thoughts? Jax MN (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I haven't seen any. You might as at the talk page on WP:FRAT. (and wait 6 months).
Giving some thought... I'd say that if all that exists is chapter name and school, I'd want to on the high side of 40 chapters (since that would be reasonable as a dotted list (which could be made 2 columns). If OTOH, date of chartering, region or anything other data was available, then a separate page makes sense. I'd say that Omega Phi Alpha is on (or over) the edge. I wouldn't object to someone splitting the chapters to a separate page (and possibly even conventions) and might do it myself one day. I'd also want the article without the chapter list to clearly not be a stub. Does that help?Naraht (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Epsilon Nu Tau[edit]

Well I've got a start on the *last* of the current PFA groups: Epsilon Nu Tau. Right now what I've got is at User:Naraht/Epsilon Nu Tau. I think I've got it over the level where the article is acceptable, but it still feels stubbish. (Next stop after that, Kappa Delta Epsilon)Naraht (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Xi Psi Phi[edit]

Is this Dental Fraternity on your near term todo list?Naraht (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, but no. I'm really backed up with some work projects, and collegiate volunteering. My plans to knock those remaining pages out have been put on hold. Are you thinking of working on it? Jax MN (talk) 03:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not realizing you'd responded. I'm working on it now. (User:Naraht/Xi Psi Phi) Seemed odd to have 3 of the 4 done. At worst it will be the website and Baird's, though they do have a number of the fraternity magazines on books.google.Naraht (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Naraht, sorry for spelling your user name incorrectly. May I ask why you use that particular name? I see your real name from your Wiki bio page. Jax MN (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)