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Where angels fear to tread[edit]

Reading Archive #3, I think that maybe I've intervened above my pay grade and that the anon editor may be the same person who tried to push a POV in the past. If so, then it I regret doing so, but only just. It was a kneejerk reaction to seeing a talk page protected indefinitely but the main space left open! That to me is anathema. How else is wp:Communication is required supposed to work? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:52, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

It is not clear if the current anon editor is the same one that lead to the indefinite protection of the talk page, and long periods where the article was protected. But I do think that if the talk page is indefinitely protected, the article should be too. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Changing the name of a case after a "Notice of substitution"?[edit]

What can you tell me about the standard naming protocol when a public official is sued in his / her official capacity, and a party to a suit is replaced after an election?

I ask, because this recently happened in Fish v. Kobach: In this case, Kris Kobach was sued in his official capacity as Secretary of State of Kansas. "Final" rulings in this case were issued June 18 and 19, 2018, but Secretary Kobach appealed. I believe the appeal is still active, though it's harder for me to track the appeal than primary case itself. (The "" system developed by the "Free Law Project" sends me emails when there is any change in the case in the United States District Court for the District of Kansas, but the last I checked, that software did not work with the relevant appellate court.)

After the 2018 election, Kobach was replaced by Scott Schwab, sworn in on January 14, 2019. On January 18 the office of Kansas Attorney General filed a "Notice of substitution" in this case, replacing Kobach as the defendant with Schwab.[1] I'm prepared to make appropriate changes to the Wikipedia article on Fish v. Kobach, but I could use help determining what's appropriate.

Obviously, this kind of thing happens sufficiently often that there's an official protocol for this called a "Notice of substitution". There surely must be a standard protocol for this type of thing. However, since it doesn't happen often, I've so far not found any documentation for such a protocol.

If you are not the right person to contact with this, whom would you suggest I ask? I posted a question on this on the "To Do" list on Wikipedia:WikiProject Law on 2019-01-23 and got no replies in ~9 days.


Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 10:19, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know the answer, and don't know who to ask. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


I note your reversion, and please leave it that way because nobody is ever going to agree. However, I don't think the reasons given are correct. As far as I am aware every metric country just adopted the BIPM metre because that is where it was defined. The US is an anomaly after redefining the name in its Metric Convention or the Treaty of the Meter and now reflected in NIST. This is ironic because it doesn't even use metric. There is no British or any other country spelling, just BIPM vs the USA. Ex nihil (talk) : Ex nihil (talk) 04:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I suggest clicking on some of the languages on the left edge of the window to see the articles about the meter in the various Wikipedia languages. There are many different names for the meter in various countries.
You use the phrase "its [US's] Metric Convention or the Treaty of the Meter". The Convention du Mètre is an international treaty that was signed by the US; it doesn't belong exclusively to the US. It is written in French and obviously must be translated into various languages and enacted into law in the various countries in order to have effect. The Wikipedia article Metrication in the United States mentions a number of these laws.
The main way the metric system is enforced in the US is the establishment of NIST, which provides training and calibration services to the several states. The states, in turn, provide measurement laboratories where the public and businesses may go to voluntarily have their measuring devices calibrated. The states also have weights and measures inspectors who visit fuel stations, supermarkets, and other businesses to inspect measuring devices and enforce the measurement laws. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Julian Calendar[edit]

Dear Jc3s5h..What do you mean by "First line of new table is false"?!--Maher27777 (talk) 22:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Reading the rest of the table, we can discern the meaning of line 2, 3, and so on to the end of the table. Line 2 means that the actual day that was 159,378 days before today was named October 5, 1582 in the Julian calendar, or named October 15, 1582 in the Gregorian calendar. But how can we interpret the first line of the table, which I reproduce?
Date (Julian) Date (Gregorian) Dif. (days)
October 4, 1582 October 4, 1582 0
I can only think of two interpretations.
  1. The Gregorian calendar mentioned is literally the calendar ordered by Pope Gregory XIII, which, by his order, did not go into force until October 15, 1582 (by it's own reckoning), and so did not exist on the Julian calendar date October 4, 1582. So the table is false because it has an entry where there should not be an entry.
  2. The nomenclature is sloppy, and "Gregorian" really means "proleptic Gregorian calendar", in which case the entry should be October 14, 1582.
Either way the row in the table is wrong. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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Computus#Gregorian calendar[edit]

There is an astonishing absence of citations for the essential statement of first principles at Computus#Gregorian calendar. You provided the equivalent citations recently at Gregorian calendar, so rather than have me copy your work (badly), may I suggest that you do the needful? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:54, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I looked at your addition of a template indicating the "Gregorian calendar" section needed more and better citations, and I agree. However, the whole section is so convoluted and verbose that if I were going to touch it, I'd rewrite the whole thing.
Many people know about the Gregorian calendar leap year rules, no matter what religion they adhere to (if any). But the Gregorian calendar also has rules that create an approximation of the phases of the Moon, and those rules are used to compute the date of Easter. Many sources that address the leap year rules, which are widely used for secular purposes, ignore the lunar aspects of the calendar. I have two sources that address this, but I've been hoping that someone who's been through the intricacies of the Gregorian computus would rewrite that section. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)