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Proposed deletion of Svatopluk Němeček[edit]

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Need sources for recent BLPs[edit]

Hello — I noticed you created a number of short articles in the English Wikipedia based on (longer) articles from the Czech project. That's a great start, thank you! but those articles need reliable sources. Biographical articles about living people need at least one reliable source each, even for brand-new articles. See WP:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people. Don't be surprised if you see “proposed for deletion” entries for each article that doesn't have a source, tagged by various other editors as they notice them. The one I noticed was Martin Stropnický, and a quick comparison with the Czech page showed me lots of sources there, so perhaps migrating some of those to the English side might be straightforward?  Unician   23:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Milan Chovanec[edit]

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Michaela Marksová-Tominová[edit]

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Marcel Chládek[edit]

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Helena Válková[edit]

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Martin Stropnický[edit]

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Antonín Prachař[edit]

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Věra Jourová[edit]

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Richard Brabec[edit]

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Nomination of Fear of Music for deletion[edit]

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2016 PSOE leadership crisis[edit]

Hey! Thanks for your copyediting efforts at 2015–16 Spanish government formation#PSOE leadership crisis (September 2016). I note you that I'm now bringing most of the content into a specific article to elaborate on the PSOE crisis, since the other one should focuse most in those key events of the crisis that affect most to the government formation process (with more detail put within the PSOE crisis' own article). You can check that article to keep the copyediting effort there at leisure, as well as to keep yourself up to date with the most recent events within the crisis if you wish, as I'll be surely adding most of the new information there rather than in the government formation article. Cheers! Impru20 (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Don't worry, you only reverted a small edit (uncapitalization of Federal Committee/Federal Executive/CF/CEF and such. I've already reinstated the edit (without reverting your changes) + added a little more "interesting" info of today's events. Impru20 (talk) 13:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


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Removal of Candy (Georgian band)[edit]

Hi. I noticed that a month ago, you redirected Candy (Georgian band) to Georgia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011. This appears to be in conflict with the interests of Objective 2 of WikiProject_Eurovision, stating that artists are entitled to have their own page as well as a page dedicated to their country's involvement in the contest for that year. Because Candy won the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, it seems that redirecting their page is unnecessary. I'd be keen to discuss the reasons for this redirect, and will gladly stand corrected if I have misunderstood your reasons for the removal of Candy's page. Nevertheless, thank you for your contributions. Tuxipedia (Talk) 9:59, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Tuxipedia, I was simply clearing the merge backlog. The rationale for the merge was stated at Talk:Georgia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011 by User:Wesley_Mouse, in reference to this AFD discussion. For what it's worth I completely agree with this consensus; if the artist in question has done nothing other than be their country's entry for Eurovision in a particular year, why not merge the articles to make it easier for the reader to find the information they want. For me it's not a question of a subject being "entitled" to an article - having a Wikipedia article is not a prize. The only thing we should focus on is the readers of the encyclopedia. Jdcooper (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
@Tuxipedia and Jdcooper: For what it is worth, Objective 2 of WikiProject_Eurovision predates the most recent changes to Wikipedia policies. Following this AFD discussion the criteria for stand-alone articles on Junior Eurovision participants changed, and now only the top 3 placed artists from any Junior Eurovision contest will qualify for an article in their own right, per criteria 9 of WP:MUSICBIO (which reads "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition."). If any junior participant fulfills other criterion of WP:MUSICBIO, then they may still qualify for an article. Objective 2 of Project Eurovision is so out-dated that a review of all the project's objectives is required. Wes Mouse Talk 13:22, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
@Wesley Mouse: For example, the following JESC participants in recent years still haven't had an article. These include Sergio (Spain 2003), Tom Morley (United Kingdom 2003), Cory Spedding (United Kingdom 2004), Antonio José (Spain 2005), Arevik (Armenia 2007), Sasha Lazin (Russia 2010), Liza Drozd (Russia 2010), Funkids (Georgia 2012), Compass Band (Armenia 2012), Michael Varosyan (Armenia 2015), Anahit Adamyan (Armenia 2016), Mary Vardanyan (Armenia 2016), and Fiamma Boccia (Italy 2016). 108.16.135.184 (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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Jan Zajíček[edit]

You put the template {{advert}}, but you haven't provided any reasons. If you feel there's an advertorial tone, please suggest improvements or be bold in editing, but as the main editor of this article I don't see any basis for that template. That's why I remove it and we can discuss it here. Guy Peters TalkContributionsEdit counter 10:57, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I will copyedit it later (I probably didn't have time when I added the tag) but in the meantime I suggest you read WP:PEACOCK - words like "legendary" "iconic" "famous" etc. are usually inappropriate tone for wikipedia articles and are more commonly found in adverts. That's why I added the tag. Jdcooper (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, I have removed these adjectives. I hope it is sufficient. Guy Peters TalkContributionsEdit counter 08:36, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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June 2017[edit]

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@Davey2010:, I didn't add any of the information you removed, I just put it in alphabetical order. Jdcooper (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi, You reverted back to "the clean version" ie inserting all of the bus crap I removed, All non-ip edits were added back so you reverting back meant you just reinserted unsourced material, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 22:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Recognition of same-sex unions in Germany[edit]

I think the addition of the Bundsrat to the title is important for anyone looking for it. It's not easily evident where that information is. Me-123567-Me (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

The events are presented chronologically, the article is not particularly long, and the main information about the bill passing the Bundesrat is in the previous section. Jdcooper (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Recognition of same-sex unions in Europe[edit]

There are 14 countries that neither have equal marriage nor do recognize foreign same-sex marriages. Of the 28 member states 1) B 2) DK 3) FIN 4) F 5) D (law passed and signed by president) 6) IRL 7) L 8) NL 9) P 10) ES 11) S 12) UK (borderline, because of NI) have equal marriage. Add to that 13) MT and 14) EST that do recognize ALL foreign marriages. 28-14=14. Not 18. --LiterallySimon (talk) 22:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Simon, yes, you are right, sorry, maths fail. However, there are eight further countries that recognise same-sex unions, but not marriage, would that ruling affect them? If yes, the number needs to be changed. If no, the text needs to reflect the fact that the ruling only covers the marriage. That aside, sorry again for the erroneous revert, I wasn't concentrating! Jdcooper (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

My edit[edit]

Why did u revert my edit.. Manofsteel75 (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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Czech presidential election, 2018[edit]

Hi Jdcooper! In the article Czech presidential election, 2018, you had replaced the sentence liberal internationalist running against authoritarianism and a national populist running against elitism by the sentence liberal internationalist running against a national populist, because of "less pov". What do you mean "less pov"?? The sentence was well sourced by web of BBC where it is exactly written: battle of ideas between populism and elitism, between authoritarianism and liberal democracy, between east and west. --Honzula (talk) 08:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Honzula. Basically I think the simpler sentence is clearer, but means the same thing. One is a liberal internationalist, one is a national populist, they are running against each other. I don't see what extra meaning is added by including the extra terms. And although the source is provided, our text basically stated that "Milos Zeman is authoritarian" on one hand, and "Jiri Drahos is elitist" on the other hand. I think we can avoid this uncertain and debateable area by leaving the simpler sentence. Jdcooper (talk) 09:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. The issue here I wanted to highlight is, that the source doesn't stress the contrast nationalism vs. internationalism and liberalism vs. populism, but the contrast populism vs. elitism and liberalism vs. authoritarianism. I just seems to me that the sentence liberal internationalist running against a national populist takes one "quality" here another "quality" there and puts them into contrast despite there was no contrast between them in the cited source.--Honzula (talk) 10:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I see what you mean re: the Rob Cameron article, but there are four sources cited for that sentence, and the first source describes exactly that contrast in the article title! Jdcooper (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Danson House[edit]

I have always called it Danson Mansion, or just the mansion, but known its correct name was Danson House. The earlier editor probably calls it the mansion too, but just got a bit carried away with 'Danson Park Mansion'. That is the name on the image, so it may have been copied to the article. Yes, thanks for amending - I agree that Danson House should be the name on the article list. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Aye, fair enough Roger 8 Roger, I've nothing against the term! Just seems simpler to make everything align :) Jdcooper (talk) 04:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Claudia Webbe[edit]

hi - Claudia Webbe I notice you are edit warring to keep disputed data from a primary source in this blp, that is not really ok; please reconsider' the content value to readers and your insistant reasons for adding the data. Govindaharihari (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I note it has now been removed; which I support; please do not replace it without talkpage consensus; regards 12:02, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

There was no edit war. Sourced information was removed by an anonymous IP, which I restored. When Ms Webbe removed the information herself I suggested a compromise per WP:DOB, and asked for clarification from users more familiar with COI guidelines, which I received, and agree with. Please familiarise yourself with what an edit war actually is before you accuse me of this, and remember to assume good faith. Thanks. Jdcooper (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

SSM in Romania[edit]

Hi JD,

I've scanned news reports (though not those in Romanian), and haven't found any evidence that Romania is implementing the EUCJ ruling. Slovakia, yes, or so they've said. Romania might try appealing, stonewalling, or only recognize that single couple -- AFAICT, we have no way of knowing. — kwami (talk) 05:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: Ok, fair enough. I changed the template to reflect the article about Romania and the celebratory tone of the coverage, but I agree with it not being included in the template for now. Some text to that effect should be added to Recognition of same-sex unions in Romania though, for consistency. Jdcooper (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The problem would be finding RSs for the added text. I'm only seeing an absence of evidence, not any evidence that the ruling isn't being followed.
If this were under US law, all those countries would be included and would be green on the map. But, I have no idea if EU countries automatically follow CJ orders, or if they fudge, delay or otherwise try to weasel out of them. Since Romania sent the case to the CJ, I would think they'd have to follow the order, but I'd feel more comfortable if the govt were to acknowledge as much. Maybe not -- maybe Romania should be included, or maybe all remaining EU countries, but I think some discussion is needed to establish that. — kwami (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. Jdcooper (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hans Globke[edit]

Hi Jdcooper, How are you? I don't think we have spoken before. I saw your edits on the [Rudolf Formis]] article. Its is not finished, by a long way, but it is excellent work and has improved the current article the article tremendously. I have this other article on hand, Hans Globke, which is a partial translation from German, and created by several editors, but mostly myself. I wonder if you have any time to look at it. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Cool, I will take a look now. The Rudolf Formis article is excellent by the way, very interesting story! If I understood the history correctly it was basically entirely your work, no? In which congratulations! Jdcooper (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Coolio. I will get a much needed clean. Most of the Rudolf Formis article was mines, except a couple of bits. I never realised it was so rough, although its not finished, there was major whoppers that you fixed, including missing text. scope_creep (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Help pls[edit]

Hello Im new here I found u on lgbt pages I posted and created new pages concerning lgbt wikiproject Can u please edit them accept them and link them to other languages and if a table of info is needed can u do it And can u please do the portal and the categories please How can i be part of lgbt wikiproject please I translated new pages hope u see and check them They are these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:LGBT_Føroyar&create=Create+new+article+draft#See%20also AdamPrideTN (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam, I did some cleanup on the page in the link. Usually if you want to make a draft into a normal article it has to get accepted by an admin (I don't know exactly how this process works). In this case I think they will say that there aren't enough independent sources - all the sources are from the organisation's website. I'm not really sure what else you want help with, but the main wikiproject is here. Good luck! Jdcooper (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thx a lot o this means that u cant link it to different lngs or make categories and portals for it :/ Can u ask for helo to see how bcis i have so many pages that are missing in eng tgat i already translate it them with better sources AdamPrideTN (talk) 23:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

Hey Just created it this Its not a draft See to it pls if u can https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AUnreviewed-preload&editintro=Template%3AUnreviewed-editintro&title=LGBT_Føroyar&create=Create+a+new+article+directly# Link it to other languages And categories and portals if u dont mind AdamPrideTN (talk) 00:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Concerning categories[edit]

I have 2 questions please First Sophus Thalbitzer is about a straight ally doctor who like Evelyn Hooker helped to decriminalise homosexuality in Denmark His categories are only LGBT history in Denmark But i added the categories of sexual orientation and psychology and the one of sexual orientatiin and science just like those of Evelyn Hooker ones. So should Evelyn Hooker be added to LGBT history in the US category Should Evelyn hooker and dophus trablitzer both be added to the category of LGBT activists in the us and in denmark resoectively Since that category contains a lot of LGBT allies and friends and scientists or what?

Second the page Lesbian Movement (Denmark) is in the category of LGBt history in denmark It is an lgbt assiciation that is defunct now Should it be put in LGBt assiciatii's in denmark category or what Or be created in a new categor of defunct lgbt association in the denmark as i qaw this category with many associatiins Or what what do u think Sorry for the bother again This may sound stupid and unnecessary for some But it is so impriving and improving believe me AdamPrideTN (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

An update maybe??[edit]

reports that two anti-#LGBT bills, including a marriage ban bill, which passed the Senate last year, have still not advanced in the lower house

https://www.voanews.com/amp/in-haiti-slight-progress-for-lgbt-rights-is-seen-as-victory/4528161.html

http://www.whig.com/article/20180814/AP/308149903

http://agenciaaids.com.br/noticia/54575/

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Alan Mcgee[edit]

I see you reverted the comments regarding Alans relationship with his son Daniel. He currently does guest appearances on Boogaloo Radio with Glass Onion. I know he and Dan are back enjoying their father son roles, as Dan is a presenter and DJ on Boogaloo Radio and got his father the chance to guest on the show. If you are on Instagram, you will see that their relationship is now fine. Tomo1965 (talk) 17:08, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

That's fine, I believe you, but please find a source if you re-add the information. Jdcooper (talk) 17:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I have an image from the Instagram post regarding Boogaloo Radio and their relationship, I just am not sure how to edit the page and upload the image dated 27th July 2018. Tomo1965 (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Look, you obviously are better at editing and adding information than I am. If you actually research Alans relationship with Dan, (As they are both my friends) you will see that Alan and Dan are perfectly happy again in their roles as father and son. Please don't allow the page to carry misinformation, when a few minutes of checking would verify my claims. Look on Instagram @alanmcgee or @blaspheminginthedms. Tomo1965 (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

St. Ignatius Loyola Church[edit]

When you (IMO, correctly) turned St. Ignatius Loyola Church into a redirect to the DAB page St. Ignatius Church, you overlooked WP:FIXDABLINKS. The move broke five links (all now fixed). Narky Blert (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Concerning Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas[edit]

Hi Concerning Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas i saw that you edit that page before I'm sure there are important updates needeed in the section future legislatiin as the national bill in Mexico and the important updates in the constutuition and referendum in Cuba and that they are discussing it in the new draft constitution in Venezuela either by the end of 2018 or 2019 according to sources I would refer ylu to all respective recognition or lgbt rights pages of the countries Here are sources for Venezuela important update maybe you can added into its pages Plus cuba president backing same sex marriage Im new here and still learning so its better that the edit comes from you

Thank you

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407066-new-cuban-president-says-he-supports-same-sex-marriage

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/cuban-president-miguel-diaz-canel-backs-sex-marriage-180917162537797.html

http://www.elimpulso.com/noticias/nacionales/en-el-2019-se-podria-legalizar-el-matrimonio-gay-en-venezuela-15sep

http://www.el-nacional.com/noticias/politica/nueva-constitucion-podria-legalizar-matrimonio-gay-venezuela_251900

AdamPrideTN (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Adam, I will take a look tomorrow, you are right that those things should be included. You should definitely feel free to add them yourself though! Any changes that need to be made can be made afterwards, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit :) Jdcooper (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Concerning LGBT rights in Israel[edit]

Hello sorry to bother you Concerning LGBT rights in Israel But i see you maybe you are jew or israeli or both Me and this user are very interested in LGBT pages that some times we dont see eye to eye Panda2018 0 (talk) In this case he or she (panda) reverted an edit from me on that page concerning in the summary table about surrogacy for gay male couples and she tweaked it and changed I said according to all laws and sources especially after june protest that commercial surrogacy is banned in israel and make marker no He or she went on to edit it and put a lng that is not standard in the table about altruistic one that a court ruled its ok and changed marker and put yes (commercial is banned) as you can see in the page history if you kindly check I dont wa't to get into an edit war with him or her So i need a third native neutral point of view And he or she doesnt respond to talk pages as i tried before So sir or madam pkease kindly help and see what is the appropriate zdit for the surrogacy laws and marker in israel maybe you know better than me Sorry again to bother you Hope you check this as soon as you can Thx AdamPrideTN (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam, the most important thing is that you (and panda) provide sources for the text you want to include. That usually solves any argument, but it's difficult for anyone to help unless you do. Jdcooper (talk) 14:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Concerning LGBT rights in Thailand[edit]

On 26 December 1996, in a report in the Bangkok Post, the Rajabat Institute Council, the collective governing body of all of Thailand's colleges, declared that it would bar homosexuals from enrolling in any of its teacher training schools, the idea of Newly Appointed Deputy Education Minister Suraporn Danaitangtrakul.[1] The announcement was strongly criticised by human rights groups and many others, who urged the repeal of the policy. On 25 January 1997, Danaitangtrakul proposed that the Institute set new criteria to bar people with "improper personalities", but not specific groups such as homosexuals.

On 16 September 1996, while in Jomtien Beach,His Excellency Mr.Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Minister spoke about Education for All ,therefore Suraporn Danaitangtrakul have never been approved.[2]

I strongly believe that, as a citizen of the world, any person has the right to learn and should be entitled to have access to education according to their competency and needs. It is essential that the government provide educational services that respond to the people's needs. Education, therefore, has to be organized in such a way that people from all walks of life can participate in educational activities at levels and times of their preference.

All sort of boundaries, be their gender, age, socio-economic status, physical or mental disabilities have to be eliminated. To achieve this, we have to distinctively promote continuing and lifelong education, the form of education which is responsive to individual needs and preferences. With educational facilities and a variety of educational programs available, people can make use of the learning centre as a place to acquire technical skills or knowledge adaptive to their work and daily life activities.

His Excellency Mr.Sukavich Rangsitpol Minister of Education Thailand (Jomtien 1990s) [3]

I concerned that if you only put the deputy minister ‘s idea. It may seem to foreigners that Education in Thailand has discrimination.But Truth is I have never heard about it before.58.11.162.212 (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but the quote above doesn't seem to be directly relevant to Danaitangtrakul's proposal. For one thing, the speech by Rangsitpol was made before the proposal was announced. And secondly, although it certainly supports equality, it doesn't really mention LGBT rights specifically. I agree that it would be good to get some balance, but I don't think that's the right quote. Could you help find a source that describes a response to Danaitangtrakul's proposal specifically? Did Rangsitpol respond after he announced it? Jdcooper (talk) 17:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)


1) No one heard about Suraporn Danaitangtrakul's Idea in Thailand. https://www.google.com/search?q=lgbt%20rights%20in%20thailand%20heaven

2)This is what I found about

Seligne[edit]

  • Delete LGBT Rights page = Sukavich Rangsitpol quote on Education for All and Education Right in Thailand

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/860532010

This one I am concerned because my country is now promoting the LGBT Tourism.If you put the quotes back I would be appreciated.

  • Delete Education in Thailand about Sukavich Rangsitpol #using the reason clean up ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/860126318

  • Delete Political History about Lieutenant Colonel Thitiya Rangsitpol Thita Manitkul in Thai Rak Thai Party #using reason fix cite ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/859453292

  • Delete Many Military History fact and of course include Lieutenant Colonel Thitiya Rangsitpol Thita Manitkulin Ministry of Defense #using reason faulty refs, etc?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/860678788

The other 3 only concern the person in the future someone may come along and fix it.But

LGBT Rights in Thailand Education case is different. Because if we have only Deputy Minister Idea without UNESCO RECORD of Minister of Education 3 Months Earlier ,it might misleading foreigner . Moreover his speech was given to large group of international people ,l do not think he can change anything.He just said he strongly believe everyone has a right to learn and all sources of boundaries have to be eliminated be their gender ....

How can any politician turn around and approve an oppersite policy within 3 months?


In this time of military junta ,there are less tourists in Thailand already.As a Thai citizen, I think l should do something when I saw this.

And I think this person Seligne might get paid from Bad Thai Politician to do this .

I looking forward to your understanding58.11.162.212 (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I am sure Seligne is not getting paid, those edits are mainly following Wikipedia policies about style and formatting. As I suggested before, the best thing would be to find a source with more details about the response to the Deputy Minister's idea. It's good that you are interested in how Wikipedia covers your country, but the goal of Wikipedia is not to attract tourists to Thailand, the goal is to inform our readers as much as possible with high-quality information. Jdcooper (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that accurate and astute vote of confidence. If I had to make a judgement, I would say that this editor's contributions to WP-English are sub-standard in terms of relevance, grammar, formatting, cite style, etc. (Just as my edits would be in WP-Thai no doubt). In short, he is making the article worse and cannot see that as his ego is in the way. I will continue editing/reverting sub-standard edits regardless of who the editor is or his sensitivities. Keep up the good work! Best, Seligne (talk) 05:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

That proposal was against The Minister of Education Education at that time policy and is in English that is probably we had never heard about the incident. Am l Thinking about using this information to confirm,how do you feel?58.11.162.212 (talk) 03:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Erith[edit]

"Per WP:TPOC. Please maintain the record of discussion about the page."

Well, I said that would be the last time I would delete that comment of Roger 8 Roger's - and I am going to keep my word.

I still feel, however, that Roger 8 Roger contravened WP:TPG when he left that comment. "Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject." He was absolutely entitled to disagree with my edit to the article in question - but using the *very* negative word "distressing" to describe said edit, does that not make it a personal view and thus in contravention of WP:TPG when left on the article's talk page?

If he was *that* annoyed by my edit - which was made with the very best of intentions - then, IMHO, he should have expressed his annoyance on *my* talk page, *not* on the article's talk page. (He was addressing me directly, too, which would also have made more sense on my talk page than on the article's talk page.) AFAIK, the rules regarding personal views on article talk pages do not apply in their entirety on users' talk pages - and nor do the rules regarding when deletions can be made, and who can make them. I'd have still been pissed off at him describing my edit as "distressing", and I'd have still deleted it immediately - but no rules would have been broken, and hence this whole sorry mess would never have happened.

It *is* sad that this mess has come about simply because of the use of *one* word - which, though very negative, is not actually hateful or politically incorrect, like "n****r" and "c**t". And I regret that it has come about at all, let alone in this way. But I believe that it demonstrates the drawbacks of the written word - it *can* be very one-dimensional and, if used the wrong way, can be upsetting for others.

Bluebird207 (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

To me, the oddest thing about this dispute is that you appear to agree with each other on the actual edits made to the article. The second oddest thing is that "distressing" is not a particularly extreme term in any way, and not even really that negative. People have said a lot worse to me on Wikipedia. Frankly, I'm not sure why you are so upset. The conversation you were having seemed to be a substantive and ultimately productive one about the content/wording of the article, and that's why I believe it should be and stay on the talk page. Try to move on, is my recommendation. Keep up the good work, and happy editing! Jdcooper (talk) 09:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, I agreed with Roger 8 Roger on *one* thing - that, technically, Erith wasn't "absorbed" into Greater London in 1965, as that word implied that Greater London already existed.
As regards the word "distressing", however, I'm sorry to say that we're going to have to agree to disagree. To me, "distressing" has *always* come across as being a very negative word, and any actions and experiences that could justifiably be described as distressing are also very negative.
That is why I was so pissed off when Roger 8 Roger used this word to describe my edit - it implied that my edit was very negative and upsetting, when it was intended to be neither. And it wasn't a gung-ho edit, either - I pored over each word, made use of the "Show Preview" button and gave what I thought was an adequate description, as I do with almost all of my edits.
I myself have disagreed with many edits over the years, and I have expressed my disagreement on the corresponding talk pages whenever I have felt the need to (either the talk pages of the articles in question, or the talk pages of the users responsible for these edits). But I have seldom, if ever, made explicit use of adjectives of any kind to describe these edits. Usually when I express my disagreement, I concentrate on trying to get my points across as clearly and politely as possible, without saying things that might (unintentionally) confuse or upset others. (I *have* let my guard down on several occasions, however.) If I *do* have adjectives to describe an edit I'm disagreeing with, I usually keep them to myself.
As I said, the written word *can* be very one-dimensional, and trouble may arise if it's not used carefully when the situation calls for it. And with the very, *very* greatest of respect, I don't think Roger 8 Roger understood that when he expressed his disagreement with my edit to the Erith article.
But I guess I *should* move on now, as you recommend.
Bluebird207 (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Concerning fixing some sources[edit]

Hi Sorry to bother you But can you please fix some sources in the pages of Tommy Ahlers in the last paragraph concerning his personal life LGBT in Singapore in the section of devriminalsation effort part of legality of samesex activity Dealing with the court dates of the latest pending lawsuit Also can you please fix reference number 7 concerning pew research center in Template:Same-sex marriage opinion polls worldwide same one but number 4 in Template:Same-sex marriage opinion polls worldwide and errors in number 17 and 15 in Template:Same-sex adoption opinion polls Europe Sorry for the bother again Thank you AdamPrideTN (talk) 05:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Concerning fixing sources[edit]

Hi Sorry to bother you But can you please fix some sources in the pages of Nichi Vendola and Rosario Crocetta based on their italian wiki versions And Jerónimo Saavedra based on its spanish wiki version please Sorry for the bother again Thank you AdamPrideTN (talk) 01:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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