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MBisanz, Lara is already unable to simply request resysopping via a post at WP:BN. ArbCom has mandated that she undergoes a new RfA before acquiring the bit again. Kurtis (talk) 21:35, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Notice of no change: Lara wouldn't be an admin on this project again for a paycheck. Add a new category of former admins; one that reads "No chance in Hell of regaining the tools." Better and brighter places for me now, gentlemen. But, as is so often the case here, thanks for the displaced energy that surely could have been better focused in more productive areas, like project space. You know, those pesky things referred to as articles that really make up what makes Wikipedia worth visiting. The front that conveniently hides the disturbing and dysfunctional factory of monkeys on typewriters throwing shit at each other 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year and an extra on the leap. I've got a daughter reaching her teens. If I want to deal with extreme and unnecessary drama that can make grown men cry and cripple the emotionally weak, all I need do is enter her room. Wikipedia's RFA (and, really, the entire "community"), therefore, serves no purpose to me. Regards, Lara 22:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Damn. You were one of the good ones, too — the vanguard of the BLP brigade. Nevertheless, I completely understand your reasoning, and I can't say I blame you for not wanting to go back into Wikipedia's backroom theatres. I always enjoy this place more when I'm editing articles than when I'm watching a witch-hunt take place over at ANI or elsewhere. Kurtis (talk) 01:44, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for saying so, but my particular brand of administration was not valued. Nor was my particular set of personal convictions re: personal relationships vs. Wikipedia in matters of loyalty. Enjoy your editing of articles. Avoid the drama zones as if they contain the plague. They sort of do, really. Lara 02:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I remember the situation w.r.t. The undertow/Law, having been around back then. I formerly edited as "Master&Expert", but changed my name this past August. Your legacy here, as far as I'm concerned, is a very positive one. You might not realize it, but the work you've put into this site has had a profound impact on the integrity of our articles and the real life security of countless individuals. You've inspired a great many people, more than you may ever know. Remember that. Kurtis (talk) 05:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
That, my friend, is good to know. So happy to hear it wasn't all for naught, the years I gave to this project. Still, I have no time anymore to devote to the collection and dispersal of the sum of all human knowledge, or the protection of living people within that. Regards, Lara 13:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi Jennavecia, I've sent you an e-mail. Best. Acalamari 23:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Oh noes! Moar deleting of perfectly legitimate photos because things would be too productive if not for ridiculous and unnecessary layers of bureaucracy. Ah, Wikipedia, no consistency in quality, but always consistency in the embarrassing dysfunction. Lara 00:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bikini Bandits

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Bikini Bandits requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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Thank you, Inanygivenhole, for welcoming me to Wikipedia nearly seven years after I arrived. The suggestion for using the Article Wizard is also appreciated. I should have used that during the time I worked on those dozens of GAs and FAs. If I may also make recommendations, consider updating the boilerplate to be less absurd. Lara 02:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm not the one to talk to about that, "Lara." Inanygivenhole (talk) 02:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Scare quoting someone's name. Fascinating. I see you're fairly new, so I'll just direct you to WP:BOLD. Lara 03:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Wait a tic, did you actually get templated for an article that was, until yesterday, a redirect that you put in place during the flipping Bush administration? I've restored the redirect, and will leave a note for "Inanygivenhole". UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 03:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 Done, though User:Guerillero appears to have beaten me to it. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 03:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Restored to your 2008 redirect. The article it was replaced with does not look like it could ever muster through a AfD. (I wish people would read the diffs instead of firing away on Twinkle or Huggle but YMMV.) --Guerillero | My Talk 03:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Haha, thank you both. I've been gone for so long, I forgot about WP:DTTR being a thing. Is there a template for that? >_> Lara 13:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps there should be! UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
There is - {{Uw-dttr}}. BencherliteTalk 11:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Haha... that's, uh, at least three kinds of awesome. Lara 12:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Indeed. Nice to see your name popping on my watchlist again, btw (though I don't think our paths have actually crossed that often) - hope all is well. BencherliteTalk 12:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Things are well. Studies are just intense and it was nice to dive back into an article as a break. Hoping to expand another pretty soon. Lara 13:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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BLP issue: are you still looking at these?

Hi there, would you be interested in taking a look at a BLP issue? I know that's a topic of focus for you, and there's an ongoing dispute on Talk:Tim_Lambesis, the subject of which is in the midst of a very well-publicized and controversial criminal trial. You can see the details for yourself. Vintovka Dragunova (talk) 05:45, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Let me know if discussion continues. I don't check in often, but I get email notifications for talk page messages. Lara 03:05, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

To my talk page stalkers...

... if any remain after all these years. If you've got time and/or interest (or know someone who does), Tim Lambesis is a BLP in desperate need of work, as the bio lacks any substantial info about his music career, for which he is notable. Rather it's almost entirely about his criminal acts, trial, and conviction. Any improvement would be a benefit to the project. The article, as it currently stands, is an embarrassment. And I'm really shocked there have been no improvements since the discussion from the above section concluded. If I had more time, I'd work on it, but I'm wrapping up my senior year as an undergrad, so there's no time. Lara 21:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


I just wanted to let you know that I love the picture on your main User Page. Very pretty picture of the old well at UNC, hope I can make it there but I heard its a lot of work.--Ncchild (talk) 00:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ncchild. It is a lot of hard work, both to get accepted and then to graduate. It's also pretty amazing, though. Good luck! Lara 12:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Jennavecia/Bathrobe Cabal

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MfD closed

I closed the MfD as Keep. I left a note on the Cabal's talk page, but it does not look it has gotten much traffic lately. Please let me know if you have any questions. KnightLago (talk) 01:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Where you been!

I used to be Possum (changed my name again), I took a 6 year wikibreak, came back to see what's going on and everyone I knew has either retired or disappeared! I miss you blocking me for being a fail, I miss you breaking Wikipedia hehehe. Are you still around? — BranStark (talk) 14:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, memories... And good ones! Thanks for reminding me that not every minute on Wikipedia was a distressing waste of time. Alas, I am highly unlikely to return anytime soon. My life is pretty awesome right now. College degree from my dream university, dream job (if only it paid well!) at said university, amazing friends, wonderful boyfriend, my kids are thriving, I live in an awesome area, my apartment is beautiful, I'm about to start graduate school on a Ph.D. track... life is good. Though I do remain IRL friends with many of my OG Bathrobe Cabal wikifriends. How have you been? Lara 01:50, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
We had some good times. I'm not sure how long I'll stay active again, everything's changed! I only popped back to see what everyone was up to, then I found myself downloading Huggle again... I can't believe someone nominated the Bathrobe Cabal for deletion, what is wrong with the world?!? It's that exact pettiness and over-seriousness (is that a word) that made me leave, not to mention the constant drama. But you always lit the house up. How many admins can claim the physically broke the project? :P — BranStark (talk) 13:43, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
We left for the same reasons. We did have fun, though. And I am probably in a very small group of admins who managed to shut part of the project down, haha. It's crazy to think about what a lot of us had going on in our lives when we were all active on here all those years ago, and then to look at where we all are now in life. We've come a long way! And everything has changed, on and off the project! Well, considering the BRC MFD, I suppose not everything has changed. But still. Lara 19:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

Ched :  ?  11:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

And you're welcome to say that I canvassed you. I fuck up on a regular basis, but I don't have a problem owning my stupidity. — Ched :  ?  12:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't think there is anything wrong with alerting someone to a situation, especially if you aren't influencing them to take a particular position. I didn't speak specifically on the Coffee situation, so no worries. Lara 14:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes .. the ever present politically correct verbiage of wiki. Thank you for being willing to comment. Your wisdom is sorely missed here. Long live the BRC .. — Ched :  ?  15:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Username change request

I hereby certify my request to change my username to Indubitably. Lara 06:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

So glad to have you back

You have definitely been missed on this site. Even if you're only here for a little while, it's always great to see someone from years back take interest in Wikipedia once more.

P.S. — I know how disheartening it is to see that a few of the same conflicts from back in the day are still ongoing with no end in sight, but with regards to your comment on Coffee's talk page, I would actually disagree. As someone who's been keeping an eye on this place for a long time, I believe Wikipedia has actually matured substantially over the years. For example, did you know that user conduct RfCs have become a thing of the past? That's just one example. Although not perfect, I personally find that our community as a whole has become a lot friendlier in general. Kurtis (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Well that's great to hear! I should note that I'm not totally back. Life is super busy right now with everything I'm balancing. I'll pop in now and again, though. Indubitably(Lara) 19:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


You have a really pretty user page. I'm glad I found it, and you should be proud of it. TomStar81 (Talk) 14:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Indubitably(Lara) 23:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Kitten in a helmet.jpg

May the bath be with you.

Warp3 (talk) 04:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what that means, but thanks. Indubitably(Lara) 23:29, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

History of American football

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Looks like it is true...

Hi Lara, In case you haven't seen this. Concert in Charlotte on Jan 26. I know of someone who paid $115 per ticket. Good live footage of the Halloween concert has made it to youtube. If I got tickets it would probably snow. :/
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Ugh. So expensive! Indubitably (Lara) 21:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I had no idea...

You were still editing. The username change baffled me (obvs) but I'm not sure why I thought you'd left this place. Anyway, jolly happy to find you're still here. --Dweller ;(talk) 17:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I had no idea I was still editing. Haha. Thanks for the kind words, but I only make edits when I happen upon something in my browsing that is easily fixed. No time or patience for this place anymore. Indubitably (Lara) 00:24, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe so, but those who remember have time for you. --Dweller (talk) 10:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
<3 Indubitably (Lara) 05:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Hope you and yours are doing well Lara. Best always. :-)Ched :  ?  08:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy

As you were its original nominator and the one who was a victim of its unfortunate delisting during Sweeps in '09, I thought you might like to hear it's back up to GA status! :D dannymusiceditor Speak up! 20:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Good times. Indubitably (Lara) 17:09, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


Exit only.svg

I mean, I'm definitely a troll. But I still do occasionally think of you and our time together fondly.

Just for my reference:

MariaDB [enwiki_p]> select left(rev_timestamp, 4) as year, count(*) from revision_userindex where rev_user_text = 'Indubitably' group by year asc;
| year | count(*) |
| 2006 |        5 |
| 2007 |    10970 |
| 2008 |    16188 |
| 2009 |     7221 |
| 2010 |      709 |
| 2011 |      870 |
| 2012 |      208 |
| 2013 |       65 |
| 2014 |       83 |
| 2015 |       59 |
| 2016 |       17 |
11 rows in set (0.05 sec)

MariaDB [enwiki_p]> select left(rev_timestamp, 4) as year, count(*) from revision_userindex where rev_user_text = 'MZMcBride' group by year asc;
| year | count(*) |
| 2005 |       11 |
| 2006 |     4643 |
| 2007 |     8442 |
| 2008 |    16405 |
| 2009 |     7652 |
| 2010 |     5078 |
| 2011 |     3546 |
| 2012 |    86529 |
| 2013 |    12405 |
| 2014 |     1232 |
| 2015 |      972 |
| 2016 |     3437 |
| 2017 |      251 |
13 rows in set (2.35 sec)

I hope you're well. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I'm going to boldly edit User talk:Indubitably/Editnotice.

Good call. Hadn't even thought about that thing in bunches of years. Could have also put "Fuck off; I'm retired. :|" Seems more honest and true to who I am. Smiley face with a dash? That's not me, dude.
Anyway! How have you been? Indubitably (Lara) 16:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Haha, I know the style wasn't quite you, but I figured if it was bad enough, Cunningham's Law would kick in.
I'm good, no real complaints! I'm still bopping around the wiki world, trying to keep people in line, y'know, the usual. I got a steady roof over my head, a steady job, and enough free time and patience to be somewhat useful around here occasionally. So all in all, not bad. How 'bout you? --MZMcBride (talk) 01:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Doing really well. Good job, nice townhouse, healthy and successful kids, totes adorbs cats, and an amazing boyfriend. Add that to my awesome friends and sweet new ride... not sure what more a person could reasonably hope for! It took a while, but life is finally good. And just in time for Trump! Yay or something; laugh so we don't cry. You know. Indubitably (Lara) 19:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Biography of Living Persons

Hello Indubitably,

I'm a newly active editor who has remained a little-involved "IP user" a long time, without enough time to care about much of the Wikipedia processes, until recently when I finally created an account. I am still studying how Wikipedia works. Considering that a lot of the article space in topics of interest is already well developed, I'm so far mostly looking at the various cleanup and maintenance avenues, perhaps also award committee projects.

Considering your experience with BLP issues, you may perhaps be a right person to answer some of my questions. Would you say that since say, 2008-2009, things have improved, regressed, or remained the same? There were some discretionary sanctions established circa 2014 about it, and a number of BLP pages have semi-protection (although I'm not sure how common or not protection was back then). I have noticed some of the BLP scandals that occasionally surfaced via the reliability of Wikipedia article, as well as from one of your user page links, I think. I'm not sure if that's still a common issue.

I of course still see a lot of self-promotion/self-bio new articles on a regular basis since I started being more active on Wikipedia, and am thus also occasionally participating on some related AfD nominations. Some bot(s) also seem involved to help with the AfD process, but I've not been around these areas long enough to know if it used to be better handled or not. One thing I noticed is that it's not uncommon for some to be relisted for not obtaining enough input in reasonable time. There also seems to be people listing those to the deletion sorting lists, but some seem to not get listed fast enough, and I see no automatic process to notify the article creator (or I missed it, if so). I've not yet discussed any of this at the tech village pump, although it's one of the possibilities I noted. I also started studying the API that bots use for automatic editings (I'm a programmer but have not used this API, or automatically parsed/edited wikisource, yet).

We also have the Tea House that is rather well publicized to new user talk pages, causing a flow of new paid COI or self-promotional non-notable editors to regularly ask for help there about their deletion-nomination articles, or how to create their article, quickly getting told by experienced hosts the related policies. This seems to stop a number of them during their first attempt; most seem to never have read the policies and guidelines, and some even appear to be students or young parishioners assigned to create an article by someone who also never read them, or prefer to still consider Wikipedia to be an indiscriminate directory.

Thanks in advance for your time (if you wish to answer), PaleoNeonate (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea what the current state of BLPs are. I retired in 2009 and only occasionally pop my head in. Never for that. I put a team of editors and admins together and we made a great effort to reform BLP policy. Despite all the effort, there was little improvement. Hopefully it's better now. If not, good luck in changing anything. Indubitably (Lara) 13:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
I understand. I actually just noticed the "if you've come to post something wiki-related" message, and apologise for not having noticed it before posting. Thank you, PaleoNeonate (talk) 19:41, 30 March 2017 (UTC)