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Fair use rationale for Image:Go Nagai age 62.jpg[edit]

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Re: your email[edit]

Hi, Jfgslo! Your fair use rationale would have been acceptable for any other image, and I strongly thank you for taking the time to read our image policies before uploading an image. However, as Nagai is still a living person, the image can be replaced by a free photo that could be created and as such it's inappropriate to use a non-free image of him - please see WP:NFC#Images_2 for some more examples. Please contact me on my talk page if you've got any questions or concerns. Thanks! east.718 at 17:58, February 19, 2008

Akira Toriyama[edit]

Please do not add content without providing a reliable source, as you did to Akira Toriyama. I have reverted your edit there. If you have any questions or concerns, please address them below. Thanks, Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 05:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Go Nagai and Moebius.jpg[edit]

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Speedy deletion of Image:Zico with some fans.jpg[edit]

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Page blanking[edit]

Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to Bandai Channel. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. --Allen3 talk 11:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to leave it blank, but I had no time to properly edit it at the time of deleting the redirect command. I will erase that redirect again because Please Teacher! has no relation with what is the Bandai Channel which is why I blanked the page. The user that added the redirect did it only a few days ago (April 22). It's more confusing to leave the redirect than to leave it blank. Nonetheless, it should not be blank so I will write a small article about it. Jfgslo (talk) 13:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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Corrected merge tags[edit]

You had the discuss values set to different talk pages with the merge tags you added to New Angel and Angel (manga). They should work correctly now but please check them. P.S. If you do the merge please consider renaming the target article. -- allennames 22:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction I thought I had set them right. Both of them seem to correctly direct to the New Angel discussion page. I won't merge them until a proper discussion takes place. As for renaming the target article, sure, that's not a problem. The thing is that Angel is the primary work, but Angel is a widely used term for several other things and that's why it must use the "(manga)" part. In any case, once the decision is made about merging or not New Angel, I will open a discussion for a renaming of the article. I used "Angel (manga)" simply because that was the link in U-Jin's article. Jfgslo (talk) 22:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. You may want to check the documentation of Template:WikiProject Anime and manga. The merge and rfc values may be of most interest to you. -- allennames 23:43, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Mei Yamaguchi[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 12:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Rena Kubota[edit]

RlevseTalk 18:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work[edit]

Thank you very much for taking the time to create the pages for many Jewels and Valkyrie MMA fighters and events. I am sure that it took many hours to put everything together, but you did an excellent job. I have gone through some of the pages and made small changes/updates or additions, but the work is all yours here and the pages are very well-constructed. FemaleMMAFan (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

....well....this heading is rather fitting! I saw this change and I'm thankful. Please, please keep up the good work! I despise these additions, so anyone who removes them has my full support. Thank you. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi[edit]

thanks for your help ion NGE articles. I always knew there was a bunch of WP:FANCRUFT but due to the only one saying, i was forced to stop using the argument. SO it cheers me up, knowing someone agrees.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

On Delsorting[edit]

When you do DELSORT'ing for articles, please be sure to include the DELSORT notices in the AfD itself. If you have any questions on how to do this, feel free to drop me a note. Cheers, Jclemens-public (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Transformers: Timelines[edit]

I noticed you voted a STRONG DELETE for the Transformers: Timelines article. I was already in the process of fixing it up and adding citations when the nomination came up. I added a lot more references, and removed a lot of the original research and excessive pictures. I plan on doing more. Let me know if there is anything you think could be done to improve the page and that would make you want to keep it. Thanks! Mathewignash (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for a list of the sort of criteria you would need to change your vote on the Transformers: Timelines article. That was very constructive. I might point out articles like this one: http://fallenempiretoys.com/2010/06/18/wings-of-honor-dion-tfcc-exclusive/ Spend a whole paragraph talking about the Transformers Collectors Club and their exclusives. They toys and fiction they make are the Timelines line. Maybe we need to change the name of the article to "Hasbro Transformers Collectors Club", since that's what reviewers call it instead of "Transformers: Timelines"? Mathewignash (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

By the way, your comment on Mathewignash's talk page looks like it would work well as a comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transformers: Timelines since it addresses and rationalizes your !vote. NotARealWord (talk) 10:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's fair to look for an article about Transformers: Timelines in general over a specific review of each issue. It's an ANNUAL comic book with 6 issues out, and it's an anthology series, so the story from one issue doesn't carry into the next. It wouldn't make much sense to review more than one issue at a time, and they would be a year apart with each issue. Any reviewer would just review ONE issue at a time. Mathewignash (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
You are probably right about the page needing a "reception" section with review links, and the toys section should be removed, or cut to a paragraph. That might help things. I'll try to get to before the weekend, I'm preping for some finals this week. Mathewignash (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gravure idol[edit]

As the closing administrator, I'd like to commend you on your nomination statement at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gravure idol. It's rare to see such a full statement, and always refreshing when I do stumble upon it; keep up the good work. Ironholds (talk) 04:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

MMA record table script[edit]

Hi, would you like to try out a script I wrote partially for WT:MMA#MMA record table problems? It can be used to un-capitalize terms in the Method column and remove flags from the Location column. —LOL T/C 23:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. How can I test it? Jfgslo (talk) 04:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Assuming you use the default "Vector" skin (default), create the page Special:MyPage/vector.js with the following line:
importScript('User:LOL/mmastylefix.js');
After saving, follow the instructions on that page for purging the browser's cache. If you did everything correctly, then you should see some new links under the "Toolbox" (left sidebar) when you go to an edit page. There are several links for various tasks, and the top one is for doing all of them. As with all user scripts, the author isn't liable for anything, so check the changes before saving. The condition for removing flag icons is quite crude right now; all my script does is capture everything between the flag and the next < or line break, and check if it contains a comma and does not contain "Jr" or "Sr". Any suggestions for improving the script would be appreciated. Thanks. —LOL T/C 05:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I've just tested it and it works quite well. I do have a suggestion. Could it be possible to add a function that replaces hyphens for colons in the Event column? Editors normally copy-paste the name from Sherdog for events that do not have their own article at Wikipedia, such as "Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations" instead of using "Bodog Fight: Clash of the Nations". Also, is it possible to check for article names? For some reason, the full name of an event is used instead of the common one, for example, "UFC 81: Breaking Point" instead of "UFC 81" despite the fact that the article title used in Wikipedia uses the common one UFC 81. Personally, I don't see the point of adding the code [[UFC 81|UFC 81: Breaking Point]], particularly when record tables are meant be a quick reference, not a replacement for the body text, and the linked event articles have detailed information anyway. Jfgslo (talk) 05:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
No problem. Purge the cache again, and you should have an "events" link in the toolbox. —LOL T/C 06:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. That works well. I found a few tweaks that perhaps could be added to the script:
  1. Before applying the script
  2. After applying the script
The first one is for {{dts}} when the format is DD/MM/YYYY. Would it be possible to have an extra function to invert DD-MM to MM-DD when such date format is used?
The other one with events that include a punctuation symbol after the hyphen. In the example "UCFC - 20.000 Euro Tournament" was ignored by the script and I had to manually change it to "UCFC: 20.000 Dollar Tournament". Could this be improved? Jfgslo (talk) 18:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, clear the cache again. "toggle table date fmt" should affect m/d/y or d/m/y dates, and also {{dts|yyyy-dd-mm}}. —LOL T/C 19:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
There is another improvement that could be useful, although I don't know how easy it would be to implement. Japanese events like Pride and Dream are regularly and incorrectly written in all caps. Take a look at this diff. This only happens, as far as I know, with Japanese events, which should have regular capitalization as they are in their respective article titles. Could something be done to change this all caps format and at the same time respect valid acronyms such as as UFC?
Also, the flag icon function doesn't work when only the country is given as location. The flag icon remains after using the script. I had to manually remove them in the example. Jfgslo (talk) 21:43, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I updated the script to change "PRIDE" and "DREAM", so clear the cache as usual. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what's the best way to remove flag icons from countries alone. As I said previously, all my script does is capture everything between the flag and the next < or line break, and check if it contains a comma and does not contain "Jr" or "Sr". For now, do you think it's okay if I just make a huge list of countries, and remove the icon if any matches are found? —LOL T/C 23:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good although a little strenuous for you. Alternatively, wouldn't it be possible to create a test that checks if a flag icon template is followed by the same text string in the text? That way it would be possible to remove any flagicon in the location column, excluding the ones that use IOC/ISO/FIFA country codes. Jfgslo (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm more worried about the strain on your computer because it'll have to make up to 225 string comparisons for every table cell that contains either a flag icon and the name of a fighter, or a flag icon accompanied only by the name of a country. I pulled a sorted list from List of countries by population. Feel free to trim this down, and let me know when you're done with it and want me to put it in the script. —LOL T/C 00:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I have trimmed down the list to 176 countries, but it could be trimmed down much more. How many would be ideal for the script? Jfgslo (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
There's no "ideal" number; it basically boils down to how much patience you have and how fast your CPU runs the code. JavaScript is relatively slow, so I don't know how much time will be spent waiting for the script to finish. If you're indecisive about how many countries to remove, then just save your current list and see how much time it takes to run.
I wrote another script recently. It basically takes a nonstandard table like Charles McCarthy's, constructs a Record column if necessary, and outputs a new table that uses {{MMA record start}}. Would you like to try it as well? It should work for most tables, but because there are so many different possible variations of tables, it could fail catastrophically on some. —LOL T/C 22:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the style script, trimming the list is easy since there aren't that many that held MMA events. Besides the current way that it works and instead of the list, wouldn't it be possible to also add a remove function for any flag icon that is preceded by a "|" and is followed by a single word text with or without brackets? For example a location in a record table almost always appears like | {{flagicon|Russia}} [[Russia]] whereas nationality in an infobox would be | nationality = [[Russian]] and an opponent would have more that one word, i.e. | {{flagicon|Russia}} [[Fedor Emelianenko]]. Combined with the current function that looks for a comma and if this is possible I think that would be more than enough without the need to rely on the list of countries.
About the other script, yes, I would like to test it. I've been avoiding correcting those tables because it's a lot of tedious work and it certainly would help me a lot. It doesn't matter if it fails in some cases. Jfgslo (talk) 04:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It's possible, but I wanted to avoid false positives like Kyotaro and false negatives like South Korea. I finally stopped being lazy and benchmarked JavaScript's string comparison with the ~225 country names, and it turns out that I overestimated the running time by quite a bit; unless your computer is at least a thousand times slower than mine, the change in running time shouldn't be noticeable.
As for the other script, import User:LOL/mmarecordcolumns.js. A couple of caveats: when you use it, you should use the edit section link because the script just searches for the first "{|"; and if you use it on a table that merges the Round and Time column (such as the McCarthy example above), then make sure the associated heading is named "Round, Time" before running the script. —LOL T/C 05:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
False positives are not that problematic since very few fighters use a single name. Even Kyotaro is a kickboxer, not an MMA fighter. And there are few false negatives so it wouldn't be that much of a problem. But the script with the list that you implemented is working great so I don't think the other tweak is going to be necessary. I particularly appreciate that now USA is rendered United States automatically. So I think that the style script is working without problems at the moment.
With the record columns script I found something weird. While trying to use it on Dan Evensen, although it adds the missing notes column, it "eats" the first character from every content column that has some additional style added before the text. I have not edited it so that you can see for yourself this effect. Jfgslo (talk) 18:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I only used Kyotaro as an example to show that some fighters may be predominantly referred to by a single-word ring name, but anyway, I fixed the bug you found on Evensen's table. —LOL T/C 18:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

The columns script no longer deletes the first character, but now deletes the time, location and breaks up the date. Since the problem appears to be related with align style given before the columns text, wouldn't it be possible to create a function that first erases anything that is between two "|" or, alternatively, anything that starts with "|align" and then applies the rest of the script? Jfgslo (talk) 15:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that's sort of what I'm doing now. I accidentally broke it while trying to make it work on another table. Try it again. —LOL T/C 21:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Your last tweak did the trick. So far, it's working quite well. I'll let you know if I encounter another bug or if I can think of a good improvement for any of the scripts. Jfgslo (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
A couple of seconds after my previous comment, I found a possible tweak that could be added. I've encountered that some MMA record tables use templates for the format of the table instead of {| |}, which makes it impossible for the current script to fix. It's not that big a deal since it can be easily corrected by replacing the templates, but perhaps it could be directly implemented in the script. The example of this is Ruben Villareal's record, which uses {{s-start}} and {{s-end}} instead of the regular table format. Do you think it's worth adding a tweak for this? Jfgslo (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I put in some code to replace the first succession box templates if {| or |} aren't found. —LOL T/C 01:36, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I found another possible improvement. Check this diff and you will note that in this article, the flag icons were located after the written locations and I had to manually remove them. I have seen this style before and I think a tweak in the code to remove any flagicon not followed by any text would do the trick. Jfgslo (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay, done. —LOL T/C 16:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Draws and NCs[edit]

How about I put in style="background-color: #c5d2ea" | <span style="display: none">v</span> for draws and NCs? I think it makes more sense to have them in between the wins and losses when sorting by result. —LOL T/C 02:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Let's give it a try. Jfgslo (talk) 02:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I added the code to the "misc" function in the style fix script. —LOL T/C 03:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
It appears to work without problems. Jfgslo (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced comment[edit]

Let's not do this please. Even Sherdog has KO (Punches), for example. Using "(punches)" just looks ugly, so please quit it. It's clear that it's only you two who disagree with me and others. Paralympiakos (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I copied the above comment to WT:MMA#MMA record table problems. —LOL T/C 20:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Method column checker[edit]

In case you're interested, I developed another script (User:LOL/mmarecmethod.js) to aid in checking a table's "Method" column. It's significantly less user-friendly, however. First, you'll need a browser that can make AJAX requests across domains. Second, that browser's settings must allow for such requests. Since my favourite browser doesn't have this functionality yet, I use Internet Explorer 8, and I had to go to Internet Options > Security > Custom level, scroll down to Miscellaneous, and set the "Access data sources across domains" option to "Prompt" or "Enable". IE8 also has a bunch of security filters, so every time I use the script I must click the "MMA record method" link, then force IE to allow scripted windows, and click the link a second time. As for the rest of the steps, I'll try to leave you to figure it out; hopefully my design is intuitive enough. A few of caveats: like the other script, this should be used only in the record table section. The script has low tolerance for different table syntax, so for maximum safety you may wish to execute mmarecordcolumns.js first. Executing the script on a table that differs dramatically from Sherdog's (e.g. Travis Fulton) will lead to a large number of successive confirmation windows, and may force you to end the process manually (or continuously interact with the confirmation windows, which requires patience). —LOL T/C 23:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm interested. I will give it a try. It's added like the other two, right? Jfgslo (talk) 18:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, just add the import line at Special:Mypage/skin.js. —LOL T/C 19:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I have used it for a little bit, but I have not seen how it works, even when using IE8 and the settings that you mentioned. I know that it calls for the Sherdog profile of a fighter, but I haven't seen anything done. How does the script work? For example, I was going to edit Ken Shamrock's record and, after changing the table format and the style with the other two scripts, when using the new script, it calls for the Sherdog profile url, but I do not see anything changed in the results. Is it supposed to correct the text that does not match with Sherdog? Because Shamrock's most recent fight has as finishing method "TKO (Hamstring Injury)" while Sherdog has "TKO (Punches)". Jfgslo (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
It's supposed to ask you whether or not you want a change. I made a silly error, so the script broke on certain tables. Can you try again? —LOL T/C 19:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, it appears to work now. There is a small detail that happens when changing one of the methods. Normally, using the other scripts, there is a space between the symbol "|" and the method, but when changing the finishing method, the space is omitted in those instances, i.e., from "| TKO (Hamstring Injury)" to "|TKO (Punches)". It's not a big deal, but it is noticeable. Jfgslo (talk) 23:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I've added a space after the pipe. —LOL T/C 03:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The fix worked great. There are some limitations to the script not directly related to the code itself. It doesn't seem to work with Wikipedia's secure server. Another weird limitation is that the MMA style cleanup script doesn't work with IE8, at least for me, so it's a matter of choosing between using MMA record method or MMA style cleanup, but not both at the same time. Jfgslo (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to make it work on the secure server, but I got the style cleanup script to work with IE8. —LOL T/C 16:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been using it for some time and, so far, it works quite well. There are two points, however, that would make the script even more useful. The first one, is there a way to make it work with other browsers? I'm not too fond of IE in general and I haven't been able to enable in other browsers AJAX connections with other servers. The second one, since it has worked quite well, do you think it could be possible to add an extra function to check the round and time of a match the way it checks for a finishing method? Jfgslo (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The script now verifies the round and time, but I haven't been able to find a good workaround for cross-domain AJAX. —LOL T/C 19:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts[edit]

Hello! I happen to have this project page watchlisted and I noticed that you appear to be engaged in an edit war with another user. (i.e. 1). I know one revision is hardly edit warring but since I warned the other user, I kind of have to warn you too. Instead of reverting edits you disagree with, if there appears to be a disagreement it is much better to attempt to discuss your changes on the talk page or directly to the user in question. If you need help with this please feel free to contact me and I'd be glad to help you work it out. Best, l'aquatique[talk] 19:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


btw, you may want to watchlist my talkpage if you haven't already- no need to keep using these talkback templates, right? l'aquatique[talk] 04:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Deleting referenced material[edit]

Hi, please be advised that you can NOT delete referenced material based on subjectivity. If it has a reference you must fully examine the reference before making your edit. A reference does not just have to be media text but can be a book or documentary. I provided a clear cut reference with a segment of Alistair Overeem's official documentary which clearly outlines one of his nicknames as Horse Meat. If you have a issue with an article feel free to raise it in the discussion section before blanking it for no reason. Thanks. --Eidetic Man (talk) 06:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

No, you didn't. I did check the reference and Michael Schiavello, the commentator, does not use "horse meat" has a nickname, but as a comment of their diets and different physiques. “Saki vs. The Reem. Kebabs vs horse meat” is the phrase that he used at 7:56 mins., not used as a nickname. Jfgslo (talk) 08:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Even if Schiavello called him "Horse Meat", a nickname doesn't become notable just because of one commentator. How many media outlets actually use "Horse Meat"? —LOL T/C 08:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Both of you are obviously ignorant to MMA because a lot of MMA and kickboxing forums also refer to him as Horse Meat, it has become his trademark since he put on 50lbs of muscle since 2007, i think you should get off your high horse and stop disagreeing with everyone just for the sake of it, a common MMA fan would understand this term. Eidetic Man (talk) 09:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
The fact that you use "a lot of MMA and kickboxing forums" for justification shows that you don't have any reliable sources to establish the notability of "Horse Meat". Attacking us by calling us both "obviously ignorant", telling us to "get off your high horse", and making up lies about our motives won't help you because the Wikipedia mainspace is not a forum where random people can just call anybody anything they want. —LOL T/C 10:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I am an avid follower of MMA and have a vast knowledge of the sport, i am aware of the recognition that followers give to the athletes, that is why i mentioned the forums, after all, the biggest fans are the ones that follow the sport on mediums other than television. It is quite obvious that you wish to engage in an edit war for the sake of being correct because there is no other motive. I acknowledge that my reference wasn't the best but it is a bit hard to reference something that everybody says but does not document. You both should really open up discussions before you go and blank data which others have added in, that is my issue here, after all, that is why the section is there. I mean you even acknowledged that it is a reference to their diets and physique. Horse Meat physique as stated in the reference. Thanks. Eidetic Man (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Bragging about your "vast knowledge" still doesn't help you at the very least to establish its notability. Too bad you don't have enough knowledge of Wikipedia to think of another motive—such as one of our core content policies, WP:NOR. Because of the aforementioned policy, the onus is on you, not us, to bring forth a reliable source; and if a nickname isn't documented, then it shouldn't be listed on Wikipedia. One's peculiar diet is obviously insufficient grounds for a notable nickname, or we'd be listing Lyoto Machida's nickname as "Urine", Gabe Ruedgier's as "Chocolate Cake", Mac Danzig's as "Veggie", etc. —LOL T/C 00:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Your attempt at humor was in very poor taste. It's not just his diet, he is actually called that because of his diet, i have highlighted that multiple times but you fail to acknowledge it, but yes until i can find a specific reference it is not viable. Fair enough. Eidetic Man (talk) 01:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I realize this comes pretty late, and I just stumbled upon this page, but I wanted to say that nobody I've ever run into ever calls Overeem "Horse Meat". Common "nicknames" that are used regarding Overeem are only three: The Demolition Man (which is his official nickname), The Reem (which is used by almost anyone whose casually followed Alistair's career), and UberReem (or any variation thereof, Supereem, etc. This is used by diehard "nuthugger" fans mostly to denote his "transformation" or revitalized career since being a Heavyweight fighter full time). Only these three nicknames are ever used by a "majority" of fans/commentators. Horse Meat is absolutely not a universally accepted nickname. Not by fans, not by commentators, and not by Alistair. Thanks for reading this. Dachknanddarice (TC) 21:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

MMA[edit]

Clearly nobody likes your changes. Not only are they wrong, they're hideous. FYI, events are called UFC ...: someone vs. someone, not just UFC ...

You're fighting a losing battle frankly. Far too many random people will revert like I am. Paralympiakos (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what random editors do. They always do the same kind of thing in Wikipedia. And enough random edits will only warrant article protection. And, contrary to your opinion, I'm not the only one that follows the MOS guidelines as you can see in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts#MMA record table problems. Also, we follow the common name policy, not the official event name, particularly when said events have that article name. You are the only regular editor who insists on ignoring the MOS and your edits that are against the guidelines will be reverted back, if not by me by other editors. Jfgslo (talk) 22:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Of course it matters. They have just as much say in the matter as you do. What an incredibly arrogant view. MOS is a guideline, not a rule. Remember that! I don't have a problem with the byte shortening work you do (e.g. getting rid of unnecessary "text:align="center" " etc data), but the removing of flags isn't something supported by the general consensus and your constant changes of "Punches" to "punches" is infuriating and wrong. No MMA database in the world uses that system, nor shall we. I've said it before and I'll say it again. What are you here for? Instead of wasting everyone's time with horrible aesthetic changes that aren't needed (note again that MOS is a guideline, not a rule), why don't you write about a fighter who doesn't yet have a page on wikipedia, but warrants one...? That would be a constructive use of time and effort. Paralympiakos (talk) 22:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
No, it doesn't matter. Unless there is a good reason to ignore the guidelines, they are to be followed, and, so far, the only argument for ignoring them is because "it looks ugly", so it is not a solid or valid argument in any way. And removing flag icons is in fact supported by consensus which is why MOS:ICON is in the first place. Also, this is not an MMA database, this is an encyclopedia and we use normal English. And about wasting everyone's time, I could be saying the same to you since you are the one that is reverting them against the guidelines. Jfgslo (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'll say it again, it DOES matter and you're being ridiculously arrogant about this. You are NOT above us whatsoever. I still think you misunderstand this situation entirely. It is a GUIDELINE! To be followed if we so wish. Well myself and the majority of others do not want to, nor need to. Many people have gone about reinserting the flags and you still perceive yourself to be the majority and wholly correct. No....you're not. Aesthetic choice IS a logical argument for change. While you blindly quote "MOS this" and "MOS that", your reason for change is also aesthetic, so don't be a hypocrite about this situation. While we're not an MMA database, we're the first port of call for many an MMA fan and as such, we should follow the tried and tested method of any such result table; that being "Punches", not "punches". Crying to admins isn't an admirable quality either. Instead of going behind people's backs, confront them like a man/woman and talk it out. Paralympiakos (talk) 22:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I Agree with Paralympiakos, some of the changes you make are just plain spiteful and you persist in making them just because you THINK you are right. I mean why would you go and remove flagicons?! How is that productive? The same goes for minor word edits on fighters pages, you don't ever add or contribute significantly to pages, instead you just sit their hawking other peoples work. I mean that is totally fine, however when you INITIATE an edit war over one or two words, it just becomes childish. It's so much easier to go deleting other peoples work and making minuscule changes that frankly are useless, as you do, than adding in your own information. Please refrain from this tendency, it is unnecessary and unproductive. Eidetic Man (talk) 01:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
@Paralympiakos The arrogant one is the one that decided to ignore the discussion at WT:MMA once it didn't go the way he wanted. Instead you decided to ignore the consensus there and do as you like. I contacted administrators in order to avoid conflict but the changes persisted despite they not being done by consensus.
@Eidetic Man Useless according to whom? Do you know that flag icons are a big issue because they add server load? Do you know that they serve no purpose when the location is mentioned within the text and as such they are discouraged since they load the servers? It's more unproductive to leave them around because they also go against the improvement of an article to be a featured article. The same goes with capitalization. And I only followed the consensus related MOS. I'm editing according the Wikipedia guidelines and policies. I did not originally revert the changes. In fact, I avoided doing that for as long as I could until I found that the main argument against that is that "it looks ugly" in the eyes of some editors, with no real rationale to use flag icons or irregular capitalization. And about being much easier to go deleting other peoples work and making minuscule changes that are useless, the same applies to the reverts done against edits that merely follow the consensus guidelines, so it's not a valid argument. Jfgslo (talk) 05:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I never said anything about "it looks ugly" so please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I don't have an issue with your edits, however when you persist in making them over and over when clearly multiple users are against you on that notion, it gets very, very annoying. I have read the appropriate MOS "guidelines" so there is no need to keep bringing them up like you are the only one that knows they exist and/or how to use them. They do not explicitly state that the flagicons MUST be removed, i think you're making a bigger issue of this than it need be. They don't add much load and i think you're reaching a bit to prove yourself here, just let it go. Eidetic Man (talk) 06:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eidetic Man (talkcontribs) 06:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I never said you did, just that that is the main argument given for ignoring the MOS and the main reason why I'm unconvinced by those edits. And actually there is only one editor who does that. And let me point out towards WP:ICONDECORATION, where it is explicitly mentioned that flag icons should not be added to look good. Of course a few flag icons won't add much server load, but we are talking about multiple articles with multiple flag icons added only for aesthetics, which are also redundant with a written location, so the server load ends up being quite big and for no real purpose other than aesthetics. But if you feel that my reasoning is not convincing, bring your points at the discussion at WT:MMA, because I'm not the only editor who believes that the different MOS apply for MMA articles. I'm just the one that's been more active in this regard. Jfgslo (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Jon Jones (fighter)[edit]

Thanks for helping revert the vandalism this morning with Jon Jones's page. I requested semi-protection for the page. Dachknanddarice (talk) 15:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Summary of flag icon issue[edit]

Nice job on the summary you did about the flag icon issue. I was out of steam so I'm glad you took it upon yourself to do it. SQGibbon (talk) 23:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Mazinkaizer SKL promotional art.jpg[edit]

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WikiProject Kickboxing modifications[edit]

Hi Jfgslo, sorry about the delayed response. Im not here as much as i used to be. My buddy Jsmith, is another member we need to contact, he's currently working on majority of kickboxing related articles here in wiki. We were actually thinking about it awhile ago but it all seemed a lot of work for just a few members to keep it updated. yeah lets discuss it under the talk page of WP:Kickboxing.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 00:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Kickboxing modifications II[edit]

Jfgslo,

Hi - good to have you on board, the more interest in kickboxing the better! I have created a number of kickboxing/Muay Thai results and fighter pages, mainly concentrating on the lower weight classes (e.g. below heavyweight) and more recently (with K-1's seeming demise) on European promotions such as It's Showtime. I think the project is a great idea and one that should be utlised as consistancy is something we should strive to. Most of my newer pages are as well referenced as I can but please let me know if you spot any errors or you have any queries. Thanks. jsmith006 (talk) 17:34, 11 May 2011

WikiProject Kickboxing modifications III[edit]

Hi Jfgslo. This seems to be a very solid page and there doesn't seem to be too much that can be made any better. Well done and keep up the good work.

WölffReik (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Gundam[edit]

Seeing as you've taken part in a few of the gundam related afds in the last few weeks, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GAT-01 Strike Dagger. Thanks. --Anthem 05:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

Thought you would like to know as your name has came up in relation to a recently banned sock. —Farix (t | c) 11:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. No idea how I would be related to that business. Jfgslo (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation[edit]

Jfgslo,

I have started a sock puppet investigation about you after seeing an IP user doing nothing but voting identically to you in AFDs. I apologize if I am mistaken, but the fact that the IP consistently votes exactly the same as you with a similar rationale, while making almost no other edits, makes me suspect that you are sockpuppeting to stack the vote in AFDs. Calathan (talk) 00:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Jfgslo, I've noticed your comments at User talk:Sandstein (since Sandstein mentioned them at the sockpuppet investigation). I want to assure you that I have never accused you of being the same person as Anthem of Joy. It was not me who previously suspected you of being Anthem of Joy, nor was I the person who added Anthem of Joy's name to the sockpuppet investigation. I only started the sockpuppet investigation because I saw an IP doing nothing but voting identically to you in AFDs, which looked extremely suspicious. Whether that IP is you or some other person who seems to be following you around and copying your votes in AFDs, I don't know . . . the purpose of the sockpuppet investigation is to determine that. Please don't take the investigation personally, and please stop assuming that I have some sort of malicious intent. Calathan (talk) 19:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
A checkuser has now said that you are unrelated to the IP user. I'm sorry for suspecting you. Whoever is the IP user, it does seem like they are copying your votes, but it looks like you had nothing to do with it. Calathan (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Persistent Removal of Data on Fedor Emelianenko‎, among others[edit]

The future events that you persistently remove are "notable and almost certain to take place," and are "appropriate" because they "can be verified" as per WP:CRYSTAL. You cite to WP:MMA, which states "Never add future bouts in a MMA record table even if they are officially announced." As can be seen from the WP:MMA Talk Page, you were the one who went ahead and incorrectly formulated that policy, thereby making WP:MMA more restrictive than the Wikipedia is not a crystal ball policy. In the case of Fedor Emelianenko, his future bout belongs in the "Mixed martial arts record" table, because this is exactly where Wikipedia readers look for that kind of information. In addition, this future event referenced within the body of the article as per WP:CRYSTAL. Fedor's fight is not an event that is scheduled to take place months in advance. Rather, his fight is almost certain to happen and should be kept in the table. What's more, your persistent removal of data is not constructive, albeit done in good faith. You should probably revise WP:MMA so that it more closely corresponds to the policies of WP:CRYSTAL. Fayerman (talk) 12:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

If you read the talk page, you should know that the consensus was reached two years ago were it was determined that future bouts in MMa record tables are not in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Furthermore, WP:CBALL is a policy above project guidelines and, unless determined otherwise by the project, it has priority over personal opinions of what readers may want. And single fights are not notable, as demonstrated by the fact that none have a single stand-alone article. So, unless a consensus determines otherwise, this removal is in accordance of Wikipedia policy. Jfgslo (talk) 23:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
WP:CBALL does not help your position. In fact, you are in violation of WP:CBALL. The consensus that was allegedly reached two years ago was not proper. The fight in question is notable, which is demonstrated by citations to news outlets that have written on the subject. Fayerman (talk) 00:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
From WP:CBALL "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place". It was determined that MMA bouts, by the nature of MMA, are not guaranteed to happen until both fighters are in the cage/ring. This is exemplified with Kevin Randleman and Hitomi Akano. Also, citations from news outlets for individual fight are part of WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWS. It is only when an event has happened and has detailed description of their impact that they can be presumed notable, which again has yet to happen for any individual fight in MMA. Furthermore, what has been written of the bout at this point is purely speculation as the fight has not yet happened, which is the very purpose of WP:CBALL. I will not remove Emelinaneko's bout at this moment because I have other things to do. Individual future bouts, however, are against WP:CBALL and this is still supported by WP:MMA. Articles about future MMA events are the ones that are acceptable and notable, not the single fights in a fighter's record. So, I will continue to enforce the guidelines until it is determined otherwise by WP:MMA or by the RfC there. Jfgslo (talk) 00:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
No determination that “MMA bouts by the nature of MMA are not guaranteed to happen until both fighters are in the cage” was ever made. Like in any competitive sporting event, the match is not guaranteed 100%. But it does not have to be guaranteed 100% in order to be entered into the fight record table. That’s not the standard here. The goal of WP:CBALL is to prevent unverifiable speculation from entering the articles. An entry of a scheduled fight in the MMA record table is appropriate if such fact can be verified. Lastly, no proper consensus was ever reached in WP:MMA regarding this issue. Moreover, consensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding. The very fact that your disruptive removals of future fights are reverted back by many other editors demonstrates lack of consensus. Please stop removing any and all future fights from MMA record tables until such time as this issue is fully resolved. Fayerman (talk) 15:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I disagree. The discussion two years ago arrived to the consensus of not allowing future bouts in MMA record. Consensus can change, but this one hasn't changed yet. It has been challenged, but not yet changed. So, the current consensus is against future bouts in the record table. Also, the participants in that consensus did mention that "fights are never guaranteed to happen until both fighters are in the cage and the ref tells them to start. At anytime before then the match can be called off. Also, note that this practice of adding future bouts is not followed by any reliable source or MMA publication, such as Sherdog Fight Finder, it is only something done by editors here. It is one of the most common venues of vandalism by putting a result in favor of one fighter before the bout, which was one of the reason for which it was decided to remove them. Also, my reverts are not disruptive edits because all of them are following the guidelines and policies towards improving an article. On the contrary, adding future bouts when that is not currently supported by WP:MMA are disruptive edits because they do not improve the articles. And arguing that many editors restore future bouts and thus that shows a lack of consensus is a logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum. Many editors add copyrighted images in MMA articles or add fansites as external links, but that doesn't mean it is an acceptable practice. But, in order to avoid unnecessary edit warring, I will accept your suggestion and I will refrain for the moment from enforcing WP:MMA until the RfC runs its period. Jfgslo (talk) 23:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Even though I completely disagree with the vast majority of your deletion rationales of fictional elements, I genuinely appreciate that you take the time to DELSORT them appropriately. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 00:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

AFD response[edit]

I have been wanting those AFDs started so that those pages could stay. Those are popular characters that you have nominated for deletion. Any chance you can help start those AFD? Rtkat3 (talk) 9:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I will start an AFD for them. You do not need to start an AfD to contest a PROD. Next time that you want to contest a proposed deletion, you simply need to remove the PROD tag and say that you contest the PROD in the edit summary. Otherwise, if you start an AfD like that, it seems like you are abusing the AfD process. Jfgslo (talk) 16:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Mass PROD by TW[edit]

A smallish thing, but your use of TW to mass nominate 124 articles is a little disconcerting. Have you been opperating within the guidelines set out in WP:PROD#Nominating and actually looking at whether or not deletion is the only option?

- J Greb (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have. If you noticed, the PRODs are for obscure comic book characters not known outside of fans of specific series. In my opinion, outside of a handful of them, none deserve even a redirect as they aren't even notable within the primary sources and several of them have disambiguations in the article titles, quite useless as search terms. Also, I'm against making a redirect over every single fictional character as I do not believe that Wikipedia is the place for such a thing, at least as understand WP:NOTDIR. I reviewed the articles for quite some time (at least two days) before deciding to PROD them. Admittedly, it was quite a large number of PRODs. I'm currently not as active as I was in the past because my time to edit is quite limited, which is why I PROD that many in such a short time. Nevertheless, I firmly believe that the majority of them are unsuitable for anything other than deletion as I don't believe that the majority can be improved per WP:ATD and redirect is unsuitable for the reasons I mentioned before. Jfgslo (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The End of Evangelion[edit]

I think you would be helping a lot if you added your own personal thoughts on the article in the talk page to see if we can do some planning on improving the articles.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Lianna[edit]

Hmm... Well the article was made back when they actually used the character. She seems to have been largely forgotten in the last few years. Any specifics on why to delete/merge?

Simply because she does not meet the WP:GNG and does not have significance or reception in the real world, making her article a WP:PLOT. To clarify, fictional characters are okay as long as they have real world notability, that is, that they have some sort of impact outside of the fictional world in which they interact, like Superman. In articles, this is shown by citing reliable sources where their impact in the real world is discussed. Lianna may have been quite important within the Green Lantern comic book, but that does not mean that she is notable beyond the plot of the comic book, which is why she does not deserve a stand-alone article. Jfgslo (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
So merge then? (especially since her importance IN universe has greatly diminished)--Marhawkman (talk) 02:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm curious. what would you consider to be a viable secondary source for Ganthet, Lianna, or Lyssa Drak?--Marhawkman (talk) 17:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:ATD for NN fictional elements[edit]

Since you seem to be nominating a large number of fictional elements for deletion, I'm hoping you'll help keep these out of AfD. Per WP:ATD, if there's a valid merge or redirect target, deletion is not the appropriate outcome. While many of these articles are not currently adequately sourced, primary sourcing (that is, to the fictional work itself) is sufficient to establish that the content is accurate. So why are you nominating all these miscellaneous things for PROD and deletion? Are you redirecting them and getting mass-reverted? Jclemens (talk) 03:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I do not plan on adding more articles to AfD than those that are contested PRODs, neither do I plan to PROD articles until the current ones have expired. All articles that I have nominated for deletion are contested PRODs, and each one of the editors that contested the PRODs mentioned that the characters/objects/locations are notable for stand-alone articles, which is the reason why I nominated said articles for deletion. If I nominated that many in so few hours is because today I had the time to do so and I will probably not have it again until next week. But don't worry, I do not plan on doing more that many PRODs or AfDs again as I underestimated the time that this process took, which forbade me from editing articles.
Regarding WP:ATD, my opinion is that, if an article about a fictional concept is factually accurate, but referenced exclusively with primary sources, it does not merit being merged since that content is taken with original research by synthesis, which is the case with the majority of articles that I proposed for deletion. Also, I'm not too fond of merges since they can cause licensing problems. With redirects, in my opinion, only articles that do not have disambiguation in their article titles could merit redirection, but I also believe that the majority of these would not be useful redirects since they are obscure characters that should not be mentioned in a comprehensive list of characters to begin with. Undoubtedly, I probably mixed some characters like Ganthet or Atrocitus that merit redirect or even merge, but I think that these are the minority. Jfgslo (talk) 04:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
As I mentioned elsewhere, we HAVE TO write articles about fictional characters from primary sources. Secondary sources are not considered Authoritative and thus are useful only for establishing notability. How are you defining "obscure characters"? Especially, if you think that Ganthet isn't notable enough to deserve his own article.--Marhawkman (talk) 17:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
No, we don't have to if the characters do not have notability on their own. That is the point with obscure characters. Remember that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The content can be extracted from primary sources as long as the topic of the article is notable. If a fictional character is not notable on its own in the real-world and an article about it can only created by relying on primary sources and, therefore, original research by synthesis, then said article is not appropriate material for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a comic book database. There are comic book wikis out there for that purpose. Obscure characters are easily defined by their mentions in reliable sources third-party independent of the subject and notable appearances in other media. While Ganthet does not meet the GNG by himself, as he as a stand-alone character has no reception and significance in the real-world, he is commonly mentioned in Green Lantern's mythology, particularly in Kyle Rayner's origin, and since his article title does not have a disambiguation, a redirect is a valid alternative. Jfgslo (talk) 17:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER and thus we don't NEED to get rid of "extraneous" stuff. In cases like this, the basic topic, the Green Lantern Corps and related stuff, IS notable, but there is no way to do a proper write-up in a single page, thus we split out sections of what would otherwise be an unmanagebly long article into seperate articles to make them easier to read/maintain.--Marhawkman (talk) 18:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
From WP:NOTPAPER: "there is an important distinction between what can be done, and what should be done, which is covered in the Content section below. Consequently, this policy is not a free pass for inclusion: articles must abide by the appropriate content policies, particularly those covered in the five pillars." From the content policies: Wikipedia is not a directory, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and Wikipedia treats fiction in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the reception and significance of notable works in addition to a concise summary. And from WP:AVOIDSPLIT: "Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. Instead, editors are encouraged to work on further developing the main article first, locating coverage that applies both to the main topic and the subtopic. Through this process, it may become evident that subtopics or groups of subtopics can demonstrate their own notability, and thus can be split off into their own article. If information can be trimmed, merged, or removed, these steps should be undertaken first before the new article is created." There is always a way to summarize information of fictional concepts in a single page, removing most unnecessary plot-details, like minor characters. Also, I would not say that the Green Lantern Corps and related concepts are notable on their own. The main fictional characters associated with Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, John Stewart and Guy Gardner may be notable, but notability is not inherited to every single concept related to them. Jfgslo (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
yeah, I've read that... The key here is what counts as unnecessary....--Marhawkman (talk) 00:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pink Ice[edit]

I invite you back to the AFD, as I have found a near perfect redirect target and have clarified why this ONE of the 124 will benefit by a merge and redirect. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I apologize. I was unable to sign on until now. I guess it is no longer important at this point since the AfD is already closed. While I believe that the administrator closed this AfD with a flawed argument, I don' have the time to contest the closure. I agree that a merge and redirect would be the best option, so if you wish to do it so, I will support you. Otherwise, if the article still does not show that it meets the WP:GNG in six months, I will probably nominate it again. Jfgslo (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I found an unique assertion... and others decided that it was unique and just special enough. So I suppose what will no doubt be argued at the next AFD, is that an overwhelming meeeting of the GNG is not a policy nor guideline mandate and the sourcable assertion of notability is found in that the Pink Panther actually speaks... and the rarity of that event, and it being written of in context to the character and in enough multiple sources, both approaches the GNG, and makes the assertion worthy of note. So I prefer to not merge or redirect against consensus... but thank you for responding to my earlier note. Please let me know if you take the close to DRV or if you renominate the article. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Kick boxing[edit]

Hi Jfgslo,

I's absent for a while due to real life stuff. I'm well interested in Boxing and Martial Arts. Saw that you're making a respectable effort on related articles and kept in touch with good fellas like Marty Rockatansky and Jsmith006. You may know, the guys surrendered the deletion fashion over kickboxing articles by certain people, fashion which is not preventable for us, only handful contributor for such area. We are in touch externally and I'm here trying to gather people as much as I could, to unite, rather say come together to discuss what we can do or try to keep and enhance the values created over the years. Perhaps, some external collaboration, like a website sth. Btw, I try to post my comments for AFDs, please, I kindly ask you to check my recent edits, you will get some opinion about me. Very glad to meet you, hope to keep in touch, best regards, Umi1903 (talk) 22:45, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your answer. It's good to see that there are people caring. Well, I'll type you more in details but could you urgently help for this first, please? K-1 World Grand Prix Selection 2010 One vote is one vote. This also could be an evidence for future that we can capitalize, who knows? Btw, after checking the case, could you tell me if there's any Japanese speaking users could find 3rd party sources in Japanese. This might be a hope. Please keep in touch frequently! Best, Umi1903 (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Yappakoredesho is perhaps the one that could help you with Japanese sources, although I have contacted him in the past and have yet to receive a response. You could also try to request help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Jfgslo (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Btw, with regards the Wikikick, i contacted with it's owner already, a good, dedicated person. Well, it lacks and must be developed for structural manner like coding, HTML etc. Simple copy/paste action does not work, i.e, infoboxes, tables, and most importantly references (footnotes) mainly could not be copied, otherwise there're weird shapes and appearance coming up at the end. But we should move the articles there before the remaining ones are deleted eventually. Umi1903 (talk) 23:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about deleted articles. To move them outside of Wikipedia, it is a simple matter of requesting temporary undeletion at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Of course, before doing that, a kickboxing wiki that can support the information must exist. Also, remembering which kickboxing articles get deleted is important for this. Jfgslo (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Could somehow give me ur email address, if you don't mind, please? I need to consult you for a point. Best, Umi1903 (talk) 21:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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