User talk:Jmabel/Archive 36

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Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion

Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion. Please weigh in on the [Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 20|discussion]. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Anti-Semitic people

Vote They are attempting to close the +cat AGAIN, please vote to KEEP. SirIsaacBrock 10:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello I have some questions.

On the Napoleon talk page I posted a post about some/alot of info that had been removed. Then you made this post a large passage that had been removed by a vandal was placed here by (Deng 02:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)). It has now been moved back to the article and removed from here. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

What I would like to know is how do you know it was removed by just one person because when I looked at the history before posting my post on the talk page it looked to me that it had been gradually been removed not by a person who wanted to destroy but by many people who worked and reworked the information and that particular information just got lost along the way by accident. So how did you see that it was all just removed by one guy?

And if you dont have time to answer or cant because it is to complex then that is ok, all I wanted to know is how you spoted it (Deng 23:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC))

Igbo origins

Hey, Joe. I noticed that in the past, you had cut material from Igbo people claiming that they are the descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Well, the half-baked theory has resurfaced, and I've reverted thrice already. Please take a look if you get the chance. — BrianSmithson 15:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

New anti-Semitism

Just thought I'd let you know that there's currently mediation on this page. If you have time, you might want to check in. CJCurrie 19:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Donation without receipt


I donated the 50 euro in your name, but those Tatars didn't send me a receipt, even tho they said they would. The only thing I can do is to show you the screenshot taken from my paypal account.

I made two postings about this and I also emailed them. See here:

They're a bunch of Tatars, who don't deserve any donation from us. I'm not going to donate to them anymore. You should have accepted the money, instead. Here is the screenshot and I'm emailing you a better version of the picture; you can read where it says that the donation is made by you. --Candide, or Optimism 13:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I, for one, am not concerned about the receipt, I'm sure the donation went to the correct place, which is what matters. - Jmabel | Talk 15:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yiddish theatre questions

After finishing Aaron Lansky's book on the creation of the National Yiddish Book Center, Outwitting History, I took another look at your article on Yiddish theatre. It's a great article, but after pulling out my theatre reference books, it appears there are some details that are missing. So, hopefully with your blessing, I'm working on some rewriting in order to incorporate much of this other information. I've gotten stuck on the first paragraph of the first section. I can't seem to find of anything on Noah Prilutski. Do you have any information? In addition, in the sentence that ends with "...but few Jews of the period were actually comfortable using Hebrew outside of a religious/liturgical context." what is the "period" you are referring to? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page. - Jmabel | Talk 17:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey there! Thank you for your quick response. I must admit, I'm no expert either but I come bearing hefty reference works (Oxford Companion to the Theatre and the Cabridge Guide) which I trust. Plus I live just around the corner from an academic library that has a few works on Yiddish Theatre as well. I will do my best to repect your work. Take care! Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 04:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania registration

Joe! Hi! Two things: first, I am terribly sad that I'm not attending SIFF this year, and I actually thought about flying back for a weekend to go (perhaps I will, if a special comes up :) ); and second, I wanted to let you know that wikimania registration is now open here:, if you didn't already know. Are you still planning on attending? I hope so! cheers, Brassratgirl 06:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's too bad. For some reason I thought you were coming.. must have gotten you mixed up with one of the other Seattle people. Best of luck with contract renewals, etc - Brassratgirl 20:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Karl Wilhelm Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg

I see you are back; I have proposed to move this article to a simpler name, partly on the grounds that I find histories of the French Revolution call him simply Duke of Bruswick. An I right? Please comment. Septentrionalis 22:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


In case you are interested: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Border history of Romania --KIDB 10:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Romania, your visit

How was it your Romania visit this year? Was it a change that you discovered? Is it true that now Romania is more developed and developing very fast? Tell me your impressions. -- 13:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice work. It seems that you enjoyed your stay in Romania. You're welcome to come again. Regarding to unblock of Anittas, it's nice of you that you would support the unblock of him. His page was protected in a malicious way to protect from what? 20:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Iguassu Falls

Sorry to bother you, but since you are an English-speaking user with a sense for naming, would you take a look at Talk:Iguazu Falls? There's an issue (again) on the article's name. Thanks a lot, Mariano(t/c) 08:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Actually, we probably can get it back. OrphanBot touched it, and it keeps copies of everything it touches. Ask it's owner, and I'll bet e can reupload it. The bigger problem is that, even though it claimed to be an image of an event that took place in 1922, we have no source for the image itself. Also, per {{PD-old}}, "life of the author plus 100 years" is required for full PD clarity. If we don't know the author, we can't be sure he/she's been dead for 100 years. Hope I can be of further help. JesseW, the juggling janitor 17:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Under U.S. law, work that was created and first published before January 1, 1923 is public domain. A commemorative plate for a 1922 event should be "safe" (although, admittedly, close to the line): it is extremely unlikely that it came out significantly after the event it commemorates. - Jmabel | Talk 18:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia, even the English edition, no longer works only under U.S. law. According to our article on public domain: In order for something to be in public domain by expiration of copyright in (nearly) all countries, besides the 1923 rule, it must also be true that "The last surviving author died at least 70 years before January 1 of the current year". So if we don't know the author, and it's vaguly plausable that the author died after 1936, it's not PD. JesseW, the juggling janitor 19:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Re Disaster of Annual

Nothing weird Jmabel. The most accurate spelling is Beni Ouriaghel. Both names refer to the same tribe. The edit summary mentioned dab, which was what i did. Cheers -- Szvest 16:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™
If it is correct, shouldn't the "Beni Ouriaghel" article mention the extremely different alternate name "Ait Waryaguil"? "Ouriaghel" and "Waryaguil" are clearly just different transliterations, but "Beni" and "Ait" are hardly similar words. - Jmabel | Talk 16:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Aît is a Berber name whearas Beni is an Arabic one. People from the Ouriaghel tribe are called Beni Ouriaghel. The Berbers refer to it as Beni Ouriaghel. Try google as well. For more info about the etymology you can refer to D.M. Hart: The Ayt Waryaghel of the Moroccan Rif. A History and an ethnography. Tuscon University, 1975. Cheers -- Szvest 16:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™
Good edits at the article. Cheers -- Szvest 16:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™

How Howe

Hmm....not really sure why I changed it. I will change it back now.Sjschen 16:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Now I remember, I saw the article Florence How and thought that the citation with "Howe" is a typo. Which is the right one or are they two different people? Sjschen 05:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you suggest that the article move from "Florence How" to "Florence Howe"? Sjschen 05:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes. We know that spelling is correct, and obviously was favored by the people who give the award. The other is at best an alternate spelling. - Jmabel | Talk 05:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


What happened with him? Why did he get blocked? For posting a picture of two kangaroos?Dapiks 23:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't really know any more than can be discerned by reading User talk:Anittas. I have been trying to get that page unprotected so that there is at least a place to discuss this. But as for the kangaroos thing, he didn't just post to it, he linked to it very inappropriately. - Jmabel | Talk 23:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I can get a pretty good picture in my head as to how and under what circumstances he did that but still --- banning a user for that seems to me a little too harsh. Maybe we can help the guy, I mean he did have so good insights sometimes and he did make good contribution on some occasions. I mean I understand someone like Bonaparte getting banned but Anittas is nowhere near that bad and this thing somehow makes him on the same level as Boni. Dapiks 23:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The Hunger Project

  • There are several editors to this article (Smeelgova, Descendall, Enkido, Pedant17, Rj, Drzeus, among others) who share the view that the article needs to have a balanced, NPOV equal weighting of the positive and negative history to this organization. There is also one user in particular (Jcoonrod) who keeps reverting the article and deleting other editors' contributions, without fully respecting policy. I noticed that you had once edited the article closer to its inception. Perhaps you could take a look at the discussion and history and allow for a more balanced article? I have tried to separate the various views into sections within the article, and provide a space for favorable and unfavorable links to views regarding the organization in the external links section. I also believe that all of the timeline and commentary on the connections with Werner Erhard and Erhard Seminars Training are relevant and of interest to the reader. Thank you so much for your time. Smeelgova 06:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't have the time or inclination to really wade into this, but I'd certainly agree that Erhard and est are crucial to any honest history of the Hunger Project. Is that being disputed? Is he claiming that this is false, or just that for some reason it isn't worth reporting? There is a Mother Jones article from December 1978 that documents the connection well (I read it at the time, it was a good article, worth tracking down), and that at that time est was using Hunger Project as a recruiting tool. Conversely, according to [1] 8 years later MJ conceded that the Hunger Project had severed those ties and was no longer recruiting for est. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
      • "Erhard and est are crucial to any honest history of the Hunger Project." This is not being disputed, but the placement of this information in a crucial location and evident language is being disputed, as are any links to all of the sources you have cited above, including the Dec. 1978 Mother Jones article, among many other sources. The user has claimed that this issue is also not worth reporting as it is in the past, but many other users have maintained that the full history of the organization, (positive and negative) is definitely relevant. Thank you for the quick response. Smeelgova 06:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
        • "The user has claimed that this issue is also not worth reporting as it is in the past…" All I can say to that is this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Most of our articles are about the past. - Jmabel | Talk 06:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately, Jcoonrod seems not to. Smeelgova 06:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Feel more than free to quote me, if that's any use, but this is exactly as far as I'm wading in. Best of luck. - Jmabel | Talk 06:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks for your input. It helps that I am one of many users who share this opinion, and to hear your views on the issue as well is also validating. For now I will continue adding to the article and encouraging discussion on the talk page. Smeelgova 07:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee in regard to the article (The Hunger Project). Mediation Committee procedure requires that all parties to a mediation be notified of the meditaion, and indicate an agreement to mediate within fourteen days. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#The Hunger Project, and indicate your agreement or refusal to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation or contact a member of the Mediation Committee.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedical (talkcontribs)

Just to keep you up to date.Smeelgova 22:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Joe,

I saw your name at the talk page of the Gokturks article a lot—do you think it would be a good idea for the page to be moved to Göktürks? After all, it is the correct spelling. And even though this is English Wikipedia, look at all the Polish city articles that use accents. Anyways, I just wanted your input. —Khoikhoi 00:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd have no problem with that. The article name predates the time when we were using UTF-16 to store our data. - Jmabel | Talk 00:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I remember when they switched. That was quite awhile ago. —Khoikhoi 00:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

SPATRA article merge

SPATRA has finished translating a new article. Can please you perform the merge to preserve the histories, moving Mesoamerica/Translation to Mesoamerica? Thanks. — J3ff 20:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Futi pe mata, fraiere

ce pula matii tot ai bah sugaciule? ce te manca asa in cur, fututi neamu in gura sa t-il fut cu sursele tale? ce futaiu matii tot comentezi la orice articol despre Romania numa ca sa o dafaimezi? Auzi ma, imi bag pula io in tara si in familia ta de juifi fututi in freza. Nu incerca sa iti mai bagi nasu in Romania ca te gfute soarele, ai priceput ba handicapatule? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 9 June 2006.

Unsigned, of course. Normally, I translate remarks made on my user talk page in foreign languages, but this ugly invective doesn't merit it. But I'll leave it here, because I think it says far more about the person who wrote it than it does about me. - Jmabel | Talk 07:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Ce so întâmplat bă sugaci de pule, ţie frică să răspunzi. Îmi bag pula-n neamu tău şi fut pe măta, dobitocule. Mă doare în pulă de ce zic alţii bă, tu ieşti si o să rămâi o mare pulă scoasă afara pentru toţi, futeţai familia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 10 June 2006.

Charming. Obviously a man more qualified than me to contribute to an encyclopedia. - Jmabel | Talk 17:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Apparently, this was User:NorbertArthur, who has now been blocked for this: [2].- Jmabel | Talk 16:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


No problem. Check your email btw. —Khoikhoi 17:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Since it's your edit(s) I'm disagreeing with...

... you will almost certainly want to weigh in at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Nationality_and_ethnicity.2C_redux. - Jmabel | Talk 00:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel, thanks for the heads up....--Tom 00:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Very interesting discussion over there. You really don't have 30 something archives of talk pages?? WOW!! --Tom 15:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Transylvanian Memorandum

Hi. I have answered on Talk:Transylvanian Memorandum. Thanks for your vigilence. Dahn 00:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

MacMillan vs. Macmillan

Now that I think about it, you're right. I shouldn't have removed your edit. Given the difference between the two is subtle, perhaps the two disambiguation pages should be combined. I'm willing to do the work. -- Usgnus 00:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup. - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for being patient with me. -- Usgnus 00:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!

I heard that you were going to spend little time on wiki - but glad to see that you're back! :) P. S. remember me? --HolyRomanEmperor 12:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)