User talk:Jnhmunro

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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Jnhmunro, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.

Also, I want to thank you for your work on Phonics. I am interested in all topics related to Education and an enthusiastic advocate of software which displays ideas visually, especially as a learning tool, for example: mindmaps. Happy editing! — John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, Talk to me! 12:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Hatnotes[edit]

See also: Hatnote

"Hatnotes [a neologism] are short notes placed at the top of an article [or section] (hence the name "hat"). Hatnotes help readers locate a different article they might be seeking." {{See also}} is the template for one form of hatnote. I changed your see also's in Phonics to hatnotes. — John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, Talk to me! 21:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

More about templates for hatnotes[edit]

Your last try: '''See also:''' Phonics in the United States of America - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonics#Phonics_in_the_United_States_of_America

Normally:

  1. All external links are in the form: [http://www.somewebsite.com/externallink.html Label] Note: Space is the delimiter between the address and the label. (Spaces in web addresses must be replaced with %20.)
  2. All links to Wikipedia are in the form: [[Wikilink | Label]] Note: | is the delimiter. (Wikilinks can have spaces.)

When using the {{See also}} template, all parameters must be Wikilinks until the first label

Therefore to use the {{See also}} hatnote template: {{See also | Wikilink | label 1=Label}}
or {{See also | Wikilink1 | Wikilink2 | label 1=Label 1| label 2=Label 2}}, etc.

For your example:

{{See also | Phonics#Phonics_in_the_United_States_of_America | label 1=Phonics in the United States of America}}

yields:

More[edit]

I saw your message. The following is a list of articles which can be helpful to new users:

I especially recommend the PLoS Ten Simple Rules. — John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, Talk to me! 21:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Removing cleanup tags[edit]

Q: John, is it possible to have the warnings removed from the "Synthetic phonics" page. I have cleaned it up, added references and added three countries for the "global outlook", so it should meet standards now. I will, however, add New Zealand and Canada very soon. I am just concerned that searchers will not accept this page as credible even though I am confident that it is factual.

A: There is a Wikilink to the essay giving advice about cleanup tags is at the top of Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. That essay discusses several aspects of the practice of tagging pages for problems, constructive tagging, removing tags, disputes and over-tagging. One of my pet peeves is "drive-by tagging." "Adding and removing tags for non-obvious problems without discussion is not helpful. It can be disruptive and is derided as "drive-by tagging" when done by editors who are not involved in the article's development." I would include adding or removing tags without making an entry on the talk page.

By my definition the tags on Synthetic phonics are "drive-by" tags. However, removing them without comment is "drive-by" taggging also.

If you have made a good faith effort to fix the problems described in the cleanup tags and briefly state your reasoning on the talk page, it may not be the end of the conversation. But, it is a good beginning! — John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, Talk to me! 15:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk page use[edit]

I'm glad to see that you added your comment to the Synthetic phonics talk page. I have moved your comment to a new section at the end of the page. Also, you need to sign, ~~~~, your talk page entries so other editors can correctly address their comments. See Help:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_useJohn Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, Talk to me! 13:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Coming on this article, I think its essentially an essay devoted to proving a particular point of view. I've made further comments there. I'm no expert in this, but i think the entire set of articles would benefit from a more systematic approach. I think also it is not a good approach to unnecessarily split articles, all of which will have the same POV problems. (I therefore redirected Systematic Phonics). It would be better to get the existing articles cleaned up first. DGG ( talk ) 04:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

A note regarding original research[edit]

Hello! I noticed this edit, where you replaced a direct quote with an interpretation. This is covered by our policy regarding no original research, which states that Wikipedia editors should not attempt to make an interpretation that is not directly supported by reliable sources. For example, your replacement of the term "calls for" with "appears to recommend" alters the meaning of the phrase: "appears to recommend" is a personal interpretation that additionally softens the impact of the phrase. The source used in this case is a primary source, which are particularly susceptible to this kind of problem. It would be best if the claims made in this paragraph were attributed to a reliable secondary source, so that there is no question of personal interpretation. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)