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Regards Jojan; I was looking for an active administrators who can help me with this draft: Has been several weeks backlogged, I took my chances if it get not approved. Same article is on other 5 wikipedias... Please, hope you can help! :) Thanks in advance Bnotepr (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the article has improved a lot since its submission was declined. It is now ready to be moved to the main space. JoJan (talk) 16:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

What do you think JoJan?[edit]

About that new stub Lumaca romana, Roman snails in a historical context. The text was almost unintelligible until I fixed the prose, and this stub has no references. Should this be merged, deleted or what? Invertzoo (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with this article. I looked into "De Re rustica" and could find no more references to snails. It looks like this Fulvius Lupinus was quite famous in his time for his farming of boars, badgers, weasels and other wild animals. All this says something about the way the Old Romans lived, but nothing about a scientific description of snails. Perhaps it can be incorporated into escargot or, even better, into heliculture JoJan (talk) 14:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I merged the info into Heliciculture, although I must say I forgot to try to include the article history into the article history of Heliciculture, and in fact I can't remember how I am supposed to do that... Please JoJan would you fix that as needed if possible, and also delete the article page and the talk page? Thanks so much. Invertzoo (talk) 17:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no need to. The redirect solved this all. The history stays with the redirect. JoJan (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! Invertzoo (talk) 17:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

long time no see![edit]

Dank je voor het verwijderen van mijn gebruikerspagina, te vervangen door de globale. Goed te zien dat je hier sysop bent. Ellywa (talk) 18:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Ja, Elly, het is al ongeveer 10 jaar geleden op een vergadering in Utrecht. Maar ik heb nog steeds een goede herinnering aan jou. Beste groetjes. JoJan (talk) 12:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Forking a cone article[edit]

Dear JoJan, I hope you are doing well.

I see that User:Shellnut has created a fork of Conasprella edpetuchi, the new article being Dalliconus edpetuchi. Shellnut has not been active during the last 12 months on Wikipedia, and before that he was still a fairly new editor. It seems he does not understand that creating a duplicate article under a different name is not an acceptable way to change things on Wikipedia.

Shellnut was one of the junior authors of this taxon, and he thinks that because it was published as Dalliconus edpetuchi and supposedly no paper has been published since then to change that genus assignment, that it must stay in its original genus. However the taxonomists at WoRMS feel that this species should be classified under Conasprella.

I hope that you can explain this situation to him, as you are an admin, and I think he would take it better coming from you rather than from me. Invertzoo (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I have advised him to take up contact with dr. Puillandre or dr. Bouchet and discuss this matter. Until this is resolved, I won't change anything. JoJan (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi JoJan. I have noticed your interest in translation, not only as a result of all your contributions to flora and fauna but also in connection with your excellent biographies and articles about churches. You might like to become a member of WP:Intertranswiki and, as a native Dutch speaker, its Dutch component (perhaps also the French component?). We have recently been trying to revive the project and are looking for ideas on new articles, particularly those from other wikis which are red-linked in English. We also frequently need help in translation (and copy editing) from Dutch.--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Elysia grandifolia has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

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Verlenging etalagenominatie?[edit]

Beste JoJan, zou je hier willen reageren? Alvast bedankt! heinGlas z3.pngnlein'' 06:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Conus article, change to cone snails?[edit]

Hello JoJan,

As you probably remember, Conus used to be a massive genus, with over 600 species, but in recent years it has been suggested to split it up into several genera. A 2014 paper attempted to finally stabilize that much-argued over classification, and I believe WoRMS has accepted the suggestions that were in that new paper.

Here is the abstract of the 2014 paper that gives the new, currently definitive, classification:

So... I thought I should change our Conus article so that it would become a general article on Cone snails in the popular sense of the word. Conus does still exists as a genus, but smaller than it used to be. Today I fixed the Conus article so it could be a general article on Cone snails in the common use of the term, but I can't change the name of the article without help from an administrator. Perhaps I do not have the right idea and instead I should turn Conus into a small article about the new smaller genus Conus, and then copy the old article in its cleaned-up form into a new article called Cone snails??? How do you think I should handle this first step?

Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 13:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have it wrong. It's just the reverse. The 115 genera in the Conidae have been reduced by this paper into four genera: Conus, Conasprella, Profundiconus and Californiconus (with Conus alone encompassing about 85% of known species), with a large number of subgenera. I've been working on the Conidae and especially Conus for almost a year to bring wikipedia up-to-date, relying on this very paper you mention (of which I have the full text). Therefore Conus cannot be a general article on cone snails. If you agree with this I'll revert the change. JoJan (talk) 15:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Yes. Cone snails started out as all being in one genus until quite recently, then went to 115, then went to 6 living genera according to WoRMS as of today. The difficulty is not about that, but is about knowing what to do with the Conus article. It is not a bad article about Cone snails in general in the popular sense of the word, but it is no good at all as an article on what is now the genus Conus sensu stricto. So... what should we do with it? Invertzoo (talk) 00:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

We need an article about the genus Conus in the new strict sense, but this article is not that at all! So what should we do? If we turn Conus into an article about the genus Conus in the up-to-date sense, the article would be 100% different from what it is now. So what should we do with the content that is in the current article? My idea is to keep it as a general article about cone snails in the common sense of the word. If you don't like that idea, what should we do -- simply delete all that content? Invertzoo (talk) 00:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, a slight misunderstanding. There should be an article about cone snails in general and a different one about the genus Conus (and all its subgenera). JoJan (talk) 09:15, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry, I am still not making myself clear. I suppose that is my fault for not expressing myself more clearly. I totally agree with you about the fact that there should be two articles: one on the genus Conus and one on "Cone snails". Because you are an administrator I need you to help me with this. For example, I can't "move" the current article to the title "Cone snails" without the help of an administrator. I also obviously don't want to copy and paste the content into a new article called "Cone snails". So what should I do? That is what I have been trying to ask all along. Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Now I see the problem. I've moved "Cone snail" to "Cone snail (disambiguation)", then I deleted "Cone snail". Then I moved "Conus" to "Cone snail" and deleted "Conus". Now the article "Conus " can be recreated for the genus Conus. This should do it. JoJan (talk) 14:36, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic!!! That is just what was needed. Thank you so much JoJan! Invertzoo (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Should I start a Conus genus article, or would you rather I let you do that? Invertzoo (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Please do. As you know I'm working on articles about the species. And at the same time I want to upload almost 200 photos I've made in Split, Croatia. And first, each photo (after having been edited) has to be described accurately (not an easy task) and then I have to work and add to the articles about the described items, such as Diocletian's Palace which lacks a lot in the description of the interior of the cathedral. Work aplenty. JoJan (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

I made a very tiny stub of an article on Conus. It needs an automatic taxobox, and a lot more other work, but at least it is better than nothing at all. In June I was part of a Dutch Marine Biodiversity Expedition to the island of Sint Eustatius for 3 weeks, and I am still working on creating the publications necessary from the results of that expedition. I will not be finished with that for another 6 months. Invertzoo (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Another question[edit]

And what should we do about the article List of Conus species? Invertzoo (talk) 02:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

This article should stay as it is. Conus species are species within the genus Conus. This list is not in relation with cone snails in general. For the last year I've been adding new species, bringing names into synonymy and moving species from formerly accepted genera to their new names within Conus. I haven't added the finishing touch to this article yet - I've reached Conus nux. It will take another couple of months before I reach the end. JoJan (talk) 09:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

OK good. Thanks for all your excellent work. Invertzoo (talk) 14:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Cone snail[edit]

This currently leads to a disambiguation page, so if we create an article with the name Cone snail, that disambiguation page will also need changing in some way. Invertzoo (talk) 14:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind doing these things but I was asking for help both in deciding what to do, and in carrying those decisions out, but only if an administrator's help is necessary. Invertzoo (talk) 14:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


Hello again JoJan, Thank you very much for the major improvements on the article Conus! I worked today on improving the prose and the organization in the article about the family Conidae. I am just wondering if the two different lists in that article (which are both rather long) should stay where they are, or perhaps should be split off into separate articles? What do you think? Invertzoo (talk) 15:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

It's perhaps better to keep everything together, so that anyone interested may have a historical overview of the taxonomy within Conidae. JoJan (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

OK. Invertzoo (talk) 14:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


Hello again JoJan. As we did with Cone snail and Conidae, do you think we need to do something similar with Turridae?

In other words, do we need to separate the info into an article on turrids which is about the old very large, polyphyletic group, (it seems that the common name is still loosely applied to all the new families of "turrids") and then also an article Turridae, which is about the new family and discusses the history of the taxonomy of the group?

Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 14:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I see no problem if you want to do that. JoJan (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I made a start at there being the two articles. Invertzoo (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Turridae must only contain the genera presently included in the family (See: WoRMS). The article "Turrid" can contain the history of Turridae as it does at this moment. JoJan (talk) 15:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes you are right of course. I got side-tracked by the other work I am doing. Invertzoo (talk) 00:02, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Just now I tried to clean it up. Invertzoo (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Delete request[edit]

Hi JoJan, thank you for deleting {{Roro001}} and {{Roro001/doc}} two days ago. May be I didn't express it understandable and you couldn't see it swift enough: there exist 51 more templates {{Roro002}} to {{Roro901}}, all of them transcluding {{Roro001/doc}} and as well unused and redundant; I requested the deletion of all these templates by explaining it in the DR of the /doc.

I am not knowing a tool to set a DR into many items, as it can be done e.g. at commons with a VFC task. If it will help I can temporarely recreate the /doc causing the categorization of the remaining 51 templates, are something like that, to give you access to this series of templates. But sure you have more possibilities to perform a mass deletion? Hopefully we can get rid of the templates. -- sarang사랑 18:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

All templates have now been deleted. JoJan (talk) 08:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Doto onusta[edit]

Hi Jojan, I moved Doto onusta back into current species from synonyms. I know we use WoRMS as the main reference but in this case WoRMS is likely to be wrong, which is why I made the Doto onusta page. I did reference it carefully and I'm currently talking to Serge Gofas (WoRMS editor for Mollusca) about removing it from synonymy. WoRMS tends to slavishly follow fashion, so in some cases it is better to make Wikipedia the honest arbitrator I think. Most synonymies are open to question and the latest work on nudibranchs is showing that many are wrong. BernardP (talk) 15:28, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Bernard for your intervention. As you know, I've sent an email to WoRMS about Doto aurita and I sent to you a copy to draw your attention, as you are working at this moment on nudibranchs. But it is not appropriate for Wikipedia to be the arbitrator, even a honest arbitrator (stringent rule: no personal research). And this makes it difficult for us if we want to try to give a scientific report of a genus or species. The only thing we can do is to rapport this to WoRMS or to an expert (such as you doing now with dr. Gofas). I've done this numerous times in the last eleven years and each time an expert malacologist performed the necessary changes in WoRMS. JoJan (talk) 16:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Restored. JoJan (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Could you help me, JoJan?[edit]

I have a problem with a new editor who does not understand the guidelines and refuses to discuss anything. Could you take a look and help me decide what is the best thing to do? The article that she started (her sole edits) is currently called, Symposia and workshops on opisthobranchs. Thanks for anything you can suggest. I am going to stop doing anything for a few days as a cooling-off period. Invertzoo (talk) 03:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I think the best solution is to wait and see. Perhaps we have a new expert contributor, perhaps not. Perhaps she needs a helping hand. Let's give her the benefit of doubt and watch her eventual contributions for a while. And if she doesn't want to contribute anymore, well so be it. JoJan (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks JoJan, yes. She will probably forget all about it after a while. Invertzoo (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 16[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 16, February-March 2016
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The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Deletion question[edit]

You deleted खरा संभाजी under WP:CSD#A2 (foreign language article that exists on another Wiki). However, I note that hi:खरा संभाजी does not exist. Can you tell me what the foreign article name is that matches this one? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:49, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I can't read Arabic. If this is not A2 then it is A3. JoJan (talk) 14:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
The article was not in Arabic, it was in Hindi. I don't have access to the deleted article to know whether it had any content or not, but as an administrator, you should take extra care to know what you're doing before you do it. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:42, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I know that this text was not in Arabic, but the proposer for speedy deletion mentioned that it had an equivalent in Arabic (therefore an A2). I can't read neither Hindi nor Arabic, so I had to rely on what the proposer had mentioned and deleted it under A2. And if not A2, then it was A3, since I had no means of knowing if this was coherent non-English material (as stated in A3). Anyway, this article, written in Hindi (or so you state), does not belong in an English wikipedia but should have been uploaded to a wikipedia in a language of the Indian subcontinent, where it could have been judged on its merits. I hope this ends this discussion. JoJan (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
WP:CSD#A3 has nothing to do with the coherency of the language, and is only suitable for article that have no content whatsoever. WP:CSG#G1 covers articles that are incoherent, but it specifically exempts non-English content. Google translate does a fair job of at least providing an idea what an article is about (although for both Arabic and Hindi, it provides very poor English translation). If you are unaware of whether an article merits deletion, you shouldn't delete it. For foreign language articles, you should list it at WP:PNT and allow the translation process to occur before judging the merits of the article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Dear JoJan, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, especially your recent creation of Buccinum coronatum. Keep up the good work! You are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk 17:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. JoJan (talk) 12:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Nudibranchs - Sorry for the extra work![edit]

Hi JoJan, I don't even know how to message you correctly, I hope this works... I am very new to this! It looks like I've created a lot of trouble with my first attempt at adding/improving nudibranch articles - so sorry! It is my first day (now week) on Wikipedia, I was only trying to improve the breadth of the species articles and add some of my personal photos. I thought if I cited SeaSlugForum (which I did every sentence) all would be well, but apparently not. Thank you for salvaging a few of the articles. It looks like the one for Adalaria jannae is already gone completely, and maybe others as well. If someone else with more experience is willing to recreate the pages correctly, I'd be happy to have my photos used.ANudibranchMom (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Don't be discouraged. All beginnings are difficult. As to references, you can only use sources without copyright, such as the World Register of Marine Species. Copyrighted sources can also be used, be then you must rephrase the content in your own words. This can be difficult, because many words in the description of species are specifically chosen or are typical jargon. When you use your own words, the slightest difference may actually describe a different, but closely resembling, species. I advise you to look closely at the existing articles in our project and how they are built and which templates are used. Copy the layout and the templates. Read also the text in Wikipedia:WikiProject Gastropods, especially the sections "How-to info" and "Resources". To start with, I would advise that you create just stubs, such as Tonna alanbeui. Once such an article is created, you can (or anyone else) continue on it and bring it to a higher level, such as Tonna perdix. Your photos are magnificent and don't forget to categorize them properly in the Commons. As to nudibranchs, we also have an expert in our project : User:BernardP, an author of several books on British and European nudibranchs. Soon you'll get the knack of it and you'll love contributing your knowledge and your photos to Wikipedia for all the world to see. JoJan (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

2016 Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Search Community Survey[edit]

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File:Artocarpus.odoratissimus1we.jpg listed for discussion[edit]


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Books & Bytes - Issue 17[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 17, April-May 2016
by The Interior, Ocaasi, UY Scuti, Sadads, and Nikkimaria

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The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Eibeyew1web.jpg[edit]

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Refer this question to the original uploader User:Sannse. As far as I understand, she made the photo herself. JoJan (talk) 13:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)