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Happy New Year 2014[edit]

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Dear JoJan,

Our vision for Wikipedia is one of beauty, natural symmetry and light.

I wish you a Happy New Year, everything good for your family, your loved ones and yourself, peace and joy for all the people of the world. I also wish a joyful and peaceful expansion for Wikipedia; may our encyclopedia make information and education available, without charge, to everyone in the world.
All the very best from Invertzoo (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Page[edit]

Hi JoJan, Can I get this page content from you?, Please reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Likhary (talkcontribs) 17:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The text was "Zubair Amin, is a Pakistani writer of Children's literature, designer and web analyst. He is considered to be one of the most modern web designer and web analyst of Pakistan. He was born in Multan, in the Punjab, on 28 October, 1988. In the early ages, he become found of books reading, Urdu Magazines and Children's literature.". This is simply not enough for an encyclopedia. It doesn't fit the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (people). It has no references to independent reliable sources. JoJan (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The Oath of Brutus[edit]

Hi, you added the painting by the Belgian painter Navez "The Oath of Brutus" to the article of Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger. Are you certain that this picture pertains to Caesar's assassins? Methinks it's rather about the assassin's great ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus who founded the Republic. According to Livius in Ab urbe condita, Brutus' first act after the expulsion of Lucius Tarquinius Superbus was to bring the people to swear an oath never to allow any man again to be king in Rome. -- fdewaele, 15 January 2014, 15:55.

My mistake. You're quite right. I'll change it. JoJan (talk) 15:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Plastik Funk[edit]

Hello, JoJan. I see you deleted Plastik Funk; could you please restore it because he made the UK charts an hour ago? Thank you.--Launchballer 18:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It has already been restored as I write this. But still it needs a lot of attention to become an encyclopedic article. JoJan (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hello JoJan, in case you didn't see my message on the project talk page, I wanted to ask you: I see that a new ultra-stub has been created for a subgenus of Mitra. Currently it has very little content. Should we try to expand it into a proper article or not? WoRMS does not seem to completely recognize this subgenus, seeing it as an "alternate representation", so maybe we should turn the page into a redirect? Please let me know what you think. Invertzoo (talk) 11:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no harm in the existence of this article. However, I made some things clearer by explaining the use of the term "Nebularia". Feel free to add some more. JoJan (talk) 12:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much JoJan for your excellent work on that tiny stub. Look now and you will see that I added a taxobox and a shell image, and I disambiguated a couple of links, as well as dividing the content into sections. I have asked the Graphics Lab if they can do anything that would improve the image quality, as it has strong flash reflections and too much contrast as well as an "off" color balance, although it might be not possible to fix it very much. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 16:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I wonder JoJan, did you by any chance check the existing list against the WoRMS list for this subgenus? If not, then I should do that, because the person who created the list created the list simply from those of our articles which had the subgenus Nebularia in them as a red link. He decided to make an article because he found "Nebularia" listed as a suggestion on Wikipedia:Most wanted articles. Invertzoo (talk) 16:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I started to check this out but I stopped after I saw that Thorsson and Salisbury did not recognize some of these species as belonging to the group "Nebularia". It would have taken too much of my precious time to sort this out, especially for a name that is no longer recognized as a taxonomic name but just as a "group". For the same reason, Nebularia should not have a taxobox, as this recognizes the status of subgenus for Nebularia, thus giving a wrong impression to a non-informed reader. I cannot spend more time on the genus Mitra and its so-called subfamilies, as I'm working on the Trochidae (also a difficult nut to crack) and will then moving on to Turbinidae (again more than 500 species). This means, this will keep me busy for the rest of the year. JoJan (talk) 11:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes you are right. I tried to edit the article in order to reflect that state of affairs. Invertzoo (talk) 23:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi JoJan. Thanks for moving Cornu aspersum! JonRichfield (talk) 12:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, you should be thanked for drawing attention to this problem. JoJan (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


Concerning the concerns that you expressed here, about how to keep bot-generated articles up to date, you are quite correct in that this is an issue. There have been major changes in the taxonomy of many groups just during the two years I have been running my bot. But one advantage of bot-generated articles in this respect is that it is possible to update by bot as well. Human-written articles probably need to be updated manually, as the way the taxonomy is described in the text of the articles isn't standardized.

Bot code to go through the ISIS database every now and then and update bot-created articles as needed is on my to-do list. Taxonomic moves (a species reassigned to another genus, a family reassigned to another order, etc) is straightforward to update. Merging and splitting of species is trickier, but should be doable.

A more thorny problem is how to handle taxonomic disagreements, when experts differ on the proper taxonomy. This requires human judgment, and the best a bot can do is to note disagreement when encountered. Lsj (talk) 16:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the immense work you're doing and hope that a bot can take away my objections. As to taxonomic disagreements, I have some experience with this. As I said before, I work mainly on Gastropoda and the authoritative database for this is WoRMS ([1]). Now and then I find a mistake in the database (once there was one that had been around for 150 years - and no one had noticed !) or have some problem with the taxonomy, and then I send an email to WoRMS. In the next few days I then receive an answer on the matter from the top expert in the world. This is one of the things a bot cannot do. The human touch is indispensable. Nevertheless, your bot creates articles and someone willing to fill in the necessary data doens't have to bother anymore with layout. One more thing, have you ever considered using an automatic taxobox (such as in the genus Clanculus). Whenever the taxonomy changes, by changing the template (e.g. when a genus is allocated to another family), all underlying templates are changed automatically as well. Best regards. JoJan (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I have considered the automatic taxobox, and it's a really neat idea that I think should be pursued. But I am afraid also that it will lead to articles where the main text and the taxobox are inconsistent, if the taxobox automatically changes bu the text isn't updated. Better idea in the long run probably to base it on wikidata, and get both text taxonomy and taxobox from wikidata calls. Lsj (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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For you[edit]

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You are a very kind and hard-working person who contributes a very great deal to the world. Thank you for everything you do. Invertzoo (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks you very much. It's much work indeed. JoJan (talk) 07:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Dactylorhiza-majalis-web.jpg[edit]

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(I had asked User Multichill, an experienced Dutch speaking commons admin, to see if he could get more information on this file from Dutch wiki, but did not get an answer - I presume that means that there is none to be had.) Deadstar (talk) 09:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I transferred this image ten years ago from the Dutch wikipedia to the Commons. I presume the GFDL license was correct at that time. The problem is the original file has disappeared from the Dutch wikipedia, which is quite normal after a transfer to the Commons (leading to a dispute such as this). I then tried TinEye, but only found the file on the Commons and in Wikibooks. In my opinion the file was correctly tagged in the Dutch wikipedia. Anyway, it doesn't matter much, there are now enough images in the Commons describing this species. Deletion won't matter very much. JoJan (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that - I too believe that the license is likely correct, but as there is no information on the creator of the file, it's likely to be deleted. But as you say, there are plenty of replacements now, so no big worry. Kind regards, and thanks again for your note - Deadstar (talk) 15:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A move fix request[edit]

Hello JoJan, a user made copy-and-paste move of Acroloxus lacustris. Could you fix that, please? Lake limpet is correct English name, I would prefer Acroloxus lacustris, but keep a name you wish. Thanks! --Snek01 (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. In this project we prefer the scientific name as title of the article. The common name(s) can redirect to the scientific name. This way it's easier for Wikidata to make the connection between the same species in different languages. JoJan (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Abalone and List of abalone synonyms[edit]

I see that you placed a lead sentence into the list. Thank you. I take it that by this, you feel comfortable with this compromise. Thank you for allowing a non malacologist or conchologist or even shell collector to influence your corner of the world. I will be adding more ref's and some more info of some sources that I have. speednat (talk) 21:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You've done a tremendous job. And I appreciate that. Nevertheless, in our project we order lists of synonyms alphabetically, for the simple reason that species from genus A can become synonyms of a species in the same genus A, but others in genus B (and even sometimes in another family or in its proper, newly created family. A simple example is the genus Guildfordia, I'm working on presently, This is however (and luckily) not the matter in Haliotis, as this is the only genus in the family Haliotidae. But whenever I try to identify a photo of a species, most of the times the caption mentions a synonym and not the present and accepted name. An alphabetical list of synonyms then comes in very handy. But I like you to continue in our project and even become a member of WikiProject Gastropods. You would be a valued contributor. JoJan (talk) 08:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks again. speednat (talk) 21:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. JoJan (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Pseudotorinia phorcysi[edit]

Hi JoJan! Ah, thank you =)! It's actually my fourth species. I've already described 4 new taxa, 2 marine snails (P. phorcysi and Nassarius levis), and two land snails (Oxychona maculata and Leiostracus fetidus). I have also co-authored the redescription of Solatisonax cabrali, and revision of the genus Teralatirus, among many other things. There are many more papers to come in the near future! Do you think I should list my publications on my User page? --Daniel Cavallari (talk) 22:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You're at the start of a promising career. And I think you should list your publications on your user page (or opening a special page, connected to your user page). Perhaps a suggestion. Why not describe (in your own words) these marine snails in wikipedia, showing them to the world. This way, these species won't disappear in obscurity, only seen and read by specialists. JoJan (talk) 14:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment! Yes, I look forward to improving or creating articles for every taxon I have described or revised! And I think every specialist should. I don't have much time lately, but I have never stopped editing. I don't have plans to =)! --Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


Hello JoJan, I hope you are doing OK. The article Cerata is about a set of external structures in nudibranch gastropods. These structures are not often referred to in the singular, but the singular form of the word is Ceras. If we follow the general WP guideline, the article title should be in the singular. If you think the title of this article should indeed be in the singular, maybe as an admin you could move it? I am not able to.

I think the title "Cerata" should remain. No one will ever search for the term "ceras". Furthermore, there exists also the genus "Ceras" (a red link as Ceras (gastropod).

I just recently moved the title of Diverticula (mollusc) to Diverticulum (mollusc) because another editor complained about it being in the plural. By the way... is that title OK or should it be Diverticulum (gastropod)? The article was also put up for AfD, which I thought was quite unnecessary; the 7-day time period expires today if you want to comment or close it or whatever.

Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 15:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I looked a bit more closely to the range of the meaning of the term "diverticulum" and found that it also applies to land slugs such as Limax marginatus, with a caecal diverticulum [2] and in the stomach of Bivalvia [3]. Therefore the title "Diverticulum (mollusc)" is apt. JoJan (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Regards Jojan; I was looking for an active administrators who can help me with this draft: Has been several weeks backlogged, I took my chances if it get not approved. Same article is on other 5 wikipedias... Please, hope you can help! :) Thanks in advance Bnotepr (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the article has improved a lot since its submission was declined. It is now ready to be moved to the main space. JoJan (talk) 16:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

What do you think JoJan?[edit]

About that new stub Lumaca romana, Roman snails in a historical context. The text was almost unintelligible until I fixed the prose, and this stub has no references. Should this be merged, deleted or what? Invertzoo (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with this article. I looked into "De Re rustica" and could find no more references to snails. It looks like this Fulvius Lupinus was quite famous in his time for his farming of boars, badgers, weasels and other wild animals. All this says something about the way the Old Romans lived, but nothing about a scientific description of snails. Perhaps it can be incorporated into escargot or, even better, into heliculture JoJan (talk) 14:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I merged the info into Heliciculture, although I must say I forgot to try to include the article history into the article history of Heliciculture, and in fact I can't remember how I am supposed to do that... Please JoJan would you fix that as needed if possible, and also delete the article page and the talk page? Thanks so much. Invertzoo (talk) 17:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no need to. The redirect solved this all. The history stays with the redirect. JoJan (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! Invertzoo (talk) 17:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

long time no see![edit]

Dank je voor het verwijderen van mijn gebruikerspagina, te vervangen door de globale. Goed te zien dat je hier sysop bent. Ellywa (talk) 18:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Ja, Elly, het is al ongeveer 10 jaar geleden op een vergadering in Utrecht. Maar ik heb nog steeds een goede herinnering aan jou. Beste groetjes. JoJan (talk) 12:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Forking a cone article[edit]

Dear JoJan, I hope you are doing well.

I see that User:Shellnut has created a fork of Conasprella edpetuchi, the new article being Dalliconus edpetuchi. Shellnut has not been active during the last 12 months on Wikipedia, and before that he was still a fairly new editor. It seems he does not understand that creating a duplicate article under a different name is not an acceptable way to change things on Wikipedia.

Shellnut was one of the junior authors of this taxon, and he thinks that because it was published as Dalliconus edpetuchi and supposedly no paper has been published since then to change that genus assignment, that it must stay in its original genus. However the taxonomists at WoRMS feel that this species should be classified under Conasprella.

I hope that you can explain this situation to him, as you are an admin, and I think he would take it better coming from you rather than from me. Invertzoo (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I have advised him to take up contact with dr. Puillandre or dr. Bouchet and discuss this matter. Until this is resolved, I won't change anything. JoJan (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi JoJan. I have noticed your interest in translation, not only as a result of all your contributions to flora and fauna but also in connection with your excellent biographies and articles about churches. You might like to become a member of WP:Intertranswiki and, as a native Dutch speaker, its Dutch component (perhaps also the French component?). We have recently been trying to revive the project and are looking for ideas on new articles, particularly those from other wikis which are red-linked in English. We also frequently need help in translation (and copy editing) from Dutch.--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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