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Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, JoeLoeb, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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January 2009[edit]

Please stop re-adding Category:Marvel Comics characters who can fly to Kestrel (Marvel Comics) for no reason. Aside from it being a red link, there is apparently no mention of this ability anywhere on the character's page. Seriously, provide a reference for your edits the next time. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 19:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

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Information.svg Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Phantom Girl. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 23:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a note or two with regard to Bizarro

  • Categories that you add to article on fictional characters must be appropriate to and supported by the article. Looking over your category adds for the past couple of days you may not be reviewing the articles.
  • If another editor points out that the category is not for or is not supported by the article, don't just add it back. Try explaining on the talk page why the category should be added.

- J Greb (talk) 01:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

February 2009[edit]

You seem to still be having trouble with this:

All of these can be seen as adding false information to the articles. Please, read through the article before adding a category.

Also, please note that wikilinks should not be Easter Eggs. that is you should generally not need to mouse over to see where the link goes. In the cases where the link and the text are justifiable different, the link should be a reasonable alternate name for the text. (Example: [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]])

  • Alexandre LeRoi - you created an Easter Egg with [[Gotham by Gaslight|Batman: Master of the Future (1991)]]. Gotham by Gaslight is linked immediately following "...Batman: Master of the Future...", there is no need for the double link. And there is no need for the "(1991)" the way that paragraph is set up.

- J Greb (talk) 01:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Wolverine[edit]

No problem. To answer your question, I've basically been a fan since the X-Men Animated Series came out back in the early 90s. The first comic I bought was Wolverine #75 in November 1993. I'm answering here because it's probably best if I remove your response in the Wolverine discussion page. I'm not doing it to be a dick or anything, it's just that a lot of editors are just almost superhumanly devoted to policy. Someone will probably see it and start quoting Wikipedia's Wikipedia's not a forum policy and start giving you some lecture.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films[edit]

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re: William Stryker[edit]

Given the current problems with information about the film, do you have a cite for your changes in this article?

- J Greb (talk) 00:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

He said the North Vietnam dialog when he was arguing with "Senator Kelly". (JoeLoeb (talk) 00:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC))
And David North? - J Greb (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
They mentioned that those evil Fox bastards changed Nord / North's ethnicity from German-American to North Korean. I thought that FAA would be appropriate since someone like you erased various categories. Also maybe Stryker found North/ Agent Zero/ Maverick/ Nord in 'Nam. (JoeLoeb (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC))
Come on, man. I want to talk! (JoeLoeb (talk) 23:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC))

Joe, this counter productive.

The above was a concern about sources since what you were adding looked like it was coming from the leaked work print. Generally you don't add that type of stuff. Hence the question to clarify your source. That's it.

- J Greb (talk) 02:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, that's all I wanted to hear. Sorry, J Greb. Oh, you're right about the film versions being contradictory to the New Earth/ 616 versions of comics characters. See you around, dude. The Agent Zero stuff was just some speculation I saw on IMDB. (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC))
Yes Joe, we are. - J Greb (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Blob/Dukes[edit]

Hi JoeLoeb! :) Thanks for asking. Actually, it's my opinion that it would be best not to include categories which apply only to the film version of the character (or alternate reality versions of the character, or TV versions, or anything outside the mainstream version), and that it's best to stick with just what the mainstream comics version of the character is about. Otherwise, we could get kind of crazy with the categories, and some character articles have quite a plenty already!

If you'd like another opinion(s), you might want to try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics; I go there all the time when I'm wondering something, or have something to tell a larger group of people. I suspect most people would agree with me on this subject, but you never know so give it a shot! :) It's also a good way to get acquainted with the other editors who work on the same sorts of articles that you do, and share information and discuss things in general. BOZ (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, okay, you win this time. BWAHAHAHA. Kidding. :). See the film and you're probably change your mind.(JoeLoeb (talk) 01:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC))
Nah, I doubt it, but I do want to see it. :) BOZ (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Joe, what happened to bringing up on the WikiProject talk page, the idea of including categories based only on the movie versions of characters? Did that sound like a bad idea? That would introduce a third (or fourth, or fifth, or however many) opinion into the mix, and I might even be wrong. Pretty please, let's discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics? BOZ (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Breaking the Habit[edit]

Most likely all the videos were requested to be removed by Linkin Park's label (Warner Bros. Records) because they didn't want anyone having access to the music of one of their best-selling artists without paying for it. YouTube takes copyright seriously, even if they never notice the vast majority of videos with copyrighted stuff. Tezkag72 (talk) 03:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, dude. I'm not a big music guy, but I love YouTube. Thank you & Live Long & Prosper. :)(JoeLoeb (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC))

Fair use rationale for File:Btmn 0121.jpg[edit]

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Galactus Edit War Mediation[edit]

Hi. I'm trying to mediate an edit war over the Galactus article here. Can you chime in with your two cents? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 23:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Not much of a FF fan. BOZ, Odin's Bead, and J.Greb could help you, but I'll see what I could do. What exactly do you need? (JoeLoeb (talk) 00:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC))

T4[edit]

I'm not sure what scene you initially saw (I didn't know what she looked like at all before I saw the film), but there is a small piece where she is talking to Marcus on the holograph screen where, as she's changing faces to show him that Skynet is not really Serena but that her face was one he would positively associate with, you could see a cyborg endoskeleton in between transitions.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I went to the bathroom to call my girlfriend, and when I came back, Wright was in a surgery room, and "Dr. Serena Korgen"/Skynet was explaining to Marcus about his infiltration. I was wondering about if Helena Carter's "Two Face" cyborg promo picture was in the film. I guess not. (JoeLoeb (talk) 01:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
What promo image are you referring to? I don't recall one being released with her. As far as the movie goes, it's never stated that she became a Terminator, or even insinuated as such. Skynet merely chose her likeness for Marcus's benefit. P.S. The stuff with Arnold's Terminator was awesome.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Its a promo picture of Serena/Helena with blond hair and having a quarter of her face exposed with terminator parts. (http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Serena_Kogen/http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/1/15/Serena_Kogen.jpg) Helena was so evil and beautiful as Bellatrix :) Also, Arnold's cameo had the whole theater clapping. Yelchin and Worthington was gr8. (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
That's the image I thought you were referring to. Yeah, I have a hard time believing that's an official image. It looks fanmade. FastCompany claims that it's "Approved", yet they won't list who released it or approved it and it doesn't appear in that video with McG. That, or it's probably just some preliminary stuff that was never really intended to be in the film. She only worked on the movie for 10 days, and it takes awhile to do a plaster cast of a head, and then apply all that make-up for scenes later...then, if you don't use that it's all a waste of money. This was probably, at the most, just some concept work down by the storyboard artist that was leaked to the press. This is a cool shot.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe....maybe you're right, but like I said in my Director's Cut section in T4, there was alot of missing footage like Connor talking to Darkseid about the T-800's, the "My name is Marcus Wright" closeup, etc. Maybe it was deleted, trimmed or cut (Robert Rodriguez lingo). But maybe Korgen was involved with the same project that Marcus was conned into. A Terminator with her organs, brain,etc. Time will tell in T5, oh and say no to McG, gay ass ginger name! (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
Well, the line was still there. They just decided to focus on a different aspect. You have to remember that trailers and films are not the same, and often the people cutting the trailer will use footage that was never intended for the big screen. As for McG, I think this was far better than Charlie's Angels, by a long shot and way better than T3. If you have a problem with the story, then blame the writers, because he didn't write the story. As for his name, how can you criticize someone for a name that was basically given to them at birth because there were too many people with the same name in his family? It isn't like it's a "stage name" or something, it's what everyone has known him by since he was a child. It's like criticizing "Bill Paxton" for going by "Bill" instead of "William".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I didn't say I hated the film. It's alot better then that shit Fox TV show, and tame T3, because this actually tries something different. 2 things are off: Nichol and Writers (Not Jonathan Nolan). The writers are from Catwoman, enough said and McG (sorry about the name, he could have been called Joe Nicol). I've seen Charlie's Angels 1 & 2 (don't ask, okay for Drew Barrymore only) and they are to stupid, and over the top. Bale was good except for the Batvoice, Worthington and Yelchin (see above), Carter was so cold as the Dr. Korgen, Common was decent, etc. It's a shame that it "flopped" thanks to Fox's evil NATM2, and Ben Stiller, and he's still the same blasted guy from 5-10 yrs. ago! I also think that Fox pulled strings on RT (Rotten Tomatoes) to derail the movie. As you can see I'm trying to defend this solid film against crazed fanboys and IMDB users. FYI, I'm a Terminator fan from 1991. Oh, and he chose to call himself McG, and i never trust a one name director like Pitof (Catwoman).(JoeLoeb (talk) 04:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
Fox didn't pull strings at RT; they cannot rewrite what critics say about the film and neither can RT. As for his name, he didn't choose to be called McG. He's explained that there were 2 or 3 other Josephs in his immediate family, so they started calling him McG to distinguish him from his elders. He explains that he doesn't go by any other name because it would basically be an insult to his family by selling out on his own name. Plus, you cannot compare him to Pitof...that man hasn't done anything hardly in Hollywood, except for Catwoman and some no-name films. At least McG has done some real films, and varied his experiences (Charlie's Angels to We Are Marshall). It's not fair to judge someone solely by their name.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
That's NOT EVEN the point of the guideline, guy. I didn't even know that he did We are Marshall, which I heard was very good. So maybe T4 is not his worst flick, but fans of Terminator won't ever give him the time of day again. The name isn't even an issue to me, but we need either some Sci-Fi veteran director or Jim Cameron back (which I think he'll never do). To be honest, the whole series should have stopped after T2. Oh, FOX is an evil as the Nazi's, Russians in 50's, Arabs now, Gays, Obama, etc. (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC))

The Red-Blue Blur[edit]

Show me where in the Superman article the Red-Blue Blur is mentioned. It wasn't even in the Clark Kent (Smallville) article until I added it. And even then the cops got to it.

The problem is Clark Kent on Smallville is not yet Superman.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The moniker should be directed to the Smallville page, because it's associated with the show, not the comic book character. Even if Clark one day becomes "Superman" on Smallville, the name "Red-Blue Blur" is still associated strictly with Smallville's version of Clark Kent and no other. That's why it should be redirected there. Also, try and remain civil towards your fellow Wikipedians. It's not cool to go around calling people "Jackass" who were probably not aware of your earlier debates (as seen by my talk page where they said they did just did a quick search on that term), and were acting with the best intentions.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, just had a bad day:( See you later. (JoeLoeb (talk) 06:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC))
We'll try to put it behind us. Thanks, BigNole. I knew you could explain it better.
I did find a reference to "A red-and-blue blur" under Superman (film series)#Superman Lives when I searched more carefully. I doubt that's enough to justify a redirect there, but at least it supports your position.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Kevin Smith said in an interview that his Superman lives script described Superman flying as a "red and blue blur" if that's what you mean. The redirect still leads to Clark Kent(JoeLoeb (talk) 21:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC))

Reminder...[edit]

After seeing some of your Brainiac talk page edits, please remember what's stated in WP:FORUM. (In brief, Wikipedia is not an internet forum for long discussions of the topic as fans, but for discussion to improve the article about the topic. ThuranX (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, nobody ever answers some of my reports, so i decided to delete them. Why do you care to answer? (JoeLoeb (talk) 01:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC))

June 2009[edit]

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Oh, yea I remember you now. I don't know why you like creating utter nonsense talk pages for articles that don't exist, but please, cut it out. It's a complete waste of time and effort. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Bitch, bitch, bitch. WAH, WAH, WAH. (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC))
Sorry, just got carried away. :( For God's sake, take a chill pill, brah!-Eric Cartman.(JoeLoeb (talk) 03:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC))
JoeLoeb, I would ask that you take a moment to consider your entries in this project. Wikipedia is not a toy, nor a joke. Creating false/useless articles would be like taking the Encyclopedia Britannica, writing an article in crayon on every blank page, then trying to sell it as new and useful. Most editors are here to both improve the project, and prevent damage to it. If you're not for one or both of those reasons, then this might not be a good past-time for you. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 07:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad use of euphemism, User:Bwilkins. Wikipedia should never pretend to be, even in the minds of its most fervent editors/administrators, a publication comparable to the Encyclopedia Britannica or the like. Wikipedia is a hybrid, a veritable "Marcus Burger", half fact, half fancy, that has never considered the possibility of it being, covertly, the enemy of truth, historicity, or indeed mankind's progression out of the swamps of religion/superstition. And yet therein lies WP's uniqueness and appeal. I suggest devotees of WP cease and desist all such lofty pretensions of "accuracy" and "unbiased-ness", since the very nature of WP's openness goes hand-in-hand with its inevitable penchant for charming, silly, fact-based idiocy.

Rather like a cute blonde that just saw part of a documentary and then, full of confidence, assumes a matter-of-fact, educated voice and attempts to hold sway on the freshly gleaned topic with other life-long scholars at a dinner party. Like the "cute blonde", Wikipedians and Wikipedestrians alike should learn to discern "respectful" applause from "indulgent". And embrace whatever applause it can get to its vast, ample-terabyted (but alas, false) bosoms. 66.91.116.149 (talk) 12:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Unusual analogy, but yes. (JoeLoeb (talk) 13:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC))

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Will Eisner's Spirit[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Charlie Weiderman[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Talk:Charlie Weiderman[edit]

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Why did you do what you did to the Scarecrow article?[edit]

Do you know how Wikipedia works? The article needed a clean up. It had overly detailed plot summaries of comic book issues and cartoon episodes and movies. DCincarnate (talk) 16:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

But you made I look sloppy and downplayed. Without the other appearances and pictures it looks not right. Can't we compromise? Did you do that to Deadpool, too? (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
It was sloppy to begin with. What do you mean by downplay? Wikipedia is not a fansite. Scarecrow's other appearances are still there, in the publication section; and the images I removed because they don't really add anything. And no, I have not edited Deadpool (yet), but that article is an example of how it should be done. DCincarnate (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
My god, power has gone to your head, you need to be stopped. Can't we talk. Okay , I keep the old stuff, the pics and summary's, while you edit other ones. (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
What are you talking about?? DCincarnate (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Kidding :) (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC))

You aren't using the talk page, you're starting an edit war. WHy? ThuranX (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm not, he won't respond . So I decided to fix the article, but someone always reverts it. I'll try to talk. (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC))
It's not just about HIM responding, I am leaving you notes on the article talk, and you refuse to use it. ThuranX (talk) 16:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Scarecrow_(comics)#Recent_Major_Revision. Here's a link to the correct place to discuss the edits. ThuranX (talk) 16:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC) FInally, if you would use edit summaries, others might be able to figure out why you're doing what you're doing each edit, and see your ieas coming through. ThuranX (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, number one, it's ThuranX, not ThuRex. And I get the personal attack there, don't worry. Number two, a tantrum's not going to help you out. Using the talk page will. Start with why you're so insistent we use a character history which is in universe writing with lots of plot instead of out of universe publication history with more real world content and minimal plot, that which is needed to explain the article. Number three, cool off for the night before replying, so that we can work together. Thanks, Joe. ThuranX (talk) 03:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright. It's not your real name, ya know. This blows. (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC))
It doesn't 'blow'... believe me, I know on-wiki situations that blow. This is an easy one. Fiction articles are easy to fix, techinically speaking, but hard to do when you're a fan of the work. Remember, the wiki articles aren't about 'how cool it was when character did this thing or that thing' but 'How interesting is it that the writer based the character on his college experiences reading Don Quixote in the original 17th century spanish!' We should be focused o nthe real- world content, providing enough plot context to understand it. Really, we could say 'The scarecrow was introduced in this year, by these creators. He usually appears as an antagonist in batman comics, where he uses the exploitation of fears through manipulation of circumstances and a hallucinogenic 'fear drug' to commit crimes and fight the Batman.' and be done. That's about as much of an entry as you'd get from Encyc Brit on a good, kind day. We give much more, and we want to do it well. That's not achieved by describing the plots in detail, but by finding more from Finger and Kane explaining how they created him, what he's about to them, and so on, and finding the same in other creative teams working with the character. ThuranX (talk) 04:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009[edit]

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Fine, but can you fix Scarecrow and make it back to normal like it was 2 weeks ago? (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
Define 'normal'. DCincarnate (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The way it was before you touched it. Don't mean to be a dick. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
Knock it off, Joe. He's not being a dick, there's no need for you to be one either. Take it to the article talk, I've started a section. ThuranX (talk) 19:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC))

I think an apology on his talk would sort this problem out, then we can all meet at the article's talk and fix this problem. See you both there. ThuranX (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Mute character[edit]

I keep removing the category "Fictional mute characters" because Michael is not mute. Muteness is the inability to speak, and Michael can clearly speak if he chooses. Selective mutism is when one chooses not to speak, and we do not have a category for that. We cannot put him in a category of people who do not have the ability to speak when it's his choice.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought everybody put that under his page. Sorry. But I say he's a mute. I won't add it, even though some may disagree. Isn't Snake Eyes capable to speak, but dosen't. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC))
I have no idea about Snake Eyes. He speaks as a child, and since they've never said he lost the ability to speak, it's assumed that he's selectively mute. The same with Jason. He speaks as a child too, but not as an adult.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for your opinion[edit]

Hi. Can you join this discussion in order to offer us your thoughts? It would be most appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 06:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

talk pages[edit]

Please do not create talk pages whose contents are the words "talk (article name)". These are worse than useless, and have to be either replaced with genuine talkpages, or simply deleted. There are generic talkpage templates that can be used, but you have not been using them. DS (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Joe, I asked you to not do that again, but you did it again anyway. If I find you doing it a third time, I will very reluctantly impose disciplinary measures. Seriously, this isn't hard for you to do. Just... don't create blanks like that, okay? DS (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Joe, I noticed that - a few weeks ago (yes, I know, there's a backlog, gimme a break) - you created some more talkpages that just said "Talk:<pagename>". To reiterate, do not do that. If you want to create a generic talkpage, do {{Talk header}}. Okay? (and the reason I'm not imposing disciplinary measures is because you weren't doing it constantly.) DS (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Article clean up[edit]

Please whatch what you're doing. Your edit here broke the infobox and the article.

- J Greb (talk) 23:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009[edit]

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Anna Hutchison[edit]

I notice that you have added a role in Smallville to the Anna Hutchison article. Our article on the character, Speedy (Mia Dearden), previously named another actress in the role, and your change to the article was reverted. This leaves the two articles inconsistent. Could you add a source to the latter article (or preferably to both) to make clear which actress is playing the part, or if both do so, please explain that.-gadfium 05:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your move of Bender Bending Rodríguez[edit]

I think you acted too quickly by moving Bender Bending Rodríguez to Bender (Futurama). I left a message about it at Talk:Bender (Futurama). Haakon (talk) 18:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Heads up[edit]

Do not go removing maintenance tags ([1]) unless you have addressed the issue or "other uses" that include reasonable misspellings ([2]).

Both of these can be vandalism.

- J Greb (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Fictional characters who can change their size[edit]

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God, I hate politics. (JoeLoeb (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC))

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Wait, I'm confused...I won't what?[edit]

Okay, when I got up this morning Wikipedia kindly announced (in the form of the usual alarming-orange-banner sort of way) that I had some new messages on my talk page. So, what's this all about? I see you reverted it two edits later, but that orange banner still stays around. And that just makes me want to find out more. I won't what, exactly? Thanks. Friginator (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It was a mistake sorry. (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC))
No worries, Joe. Happy editing. Friginator (talk) 17:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Same here. (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC))

"Chracters created by..." categories[edit]

Please stop adding these to characters based on writers or artists that later added or altered an already existing character.

- J Greb (talk) 04:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Captain America template[edit]

Some thing to keep in mind since this is a general use encyclopedia:

  • Minor character should not be included in a navigation box. "Minor characters" tends to include those like: Free Spirit (comics), Jack Flag, Bernie Rosenthal, Bernie Rosenthal, and Flag-Smasher
  • Characters that are not central to the topic covered by the 'box should not be included. This includes those like: Baron Strucker, MODOK, and Viper (Madame Hydra)
  • Stand alone characters, like Nick Fury, are rarely proper for a "Supporting characters" section.
  • The same is true of derivative character like Josiah X and Patriot (comics).
  • It is never appropriate to place an article on a real person into section labeled for characters in works of fiction as you did with Adolf Hitler

- J Greb (talk) 12:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

And again:
  • Minor character should not be included in a navigation box.
  • Characters that are not central to the topic covered by the 'box should not be included.
  • Stand alone characters are rarely proper for a "Supporting characters" section.
  • The same is true of derivative characters.
Also, re-adding without comment is more than counter productive.
- J Greb (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
3rd time - keep it up and you may be blocked for disruptive editing. - J Greb (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Shut up. (JoeLoeb (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC))

IOM[edit]

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Legion of Doom (Super Friends)[edit]

If you want to add the Smallville bit, either point to where in the episode the team name is used or find a source that explicitly states that recreating the group was the producers goal.

Otherwise, stop adding your interpretation or speculation.

Thanks,

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Sorry, but you are not allowed to blank sections there - even if you posted to them.

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     Oh, sorry about that. (JoeLoeb (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC))

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I have a review, which lists him as "Ray Carrigan". User:JoeLoeb (talk) (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC))[[4]]

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Perun[edit]

I reverted your good faith edition to Template:Thor. Perun does not seem to qualify as a Thor villain, as he has had no significant interactions with the character.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Utrom Shredder[edit]

Please don't create talk pages for redirects: they are redundant. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

    • Sorry, kinda wrapped up in the article, wanted to improve it. I'm a fan ya see. (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC))

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Starro[edit]

Please refrain from adding the fan fulled identification of Starro appearing in Smallville. What you did was add uncited information and tried to hide it with a ref to an image file. At best that's "See here, doesn't it look like Starro." It's OR. "It dose not belong in a Wikipedia article.

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Knock it off.
  • An image is not a reference.
  • Using an image is an appeal to "I'm a fan I know what this is because it looks like that."
  • Wikia are never a reliable source. Period.
You can stop engaing in original research and disruption right now.
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Template:Marvel Cinematic Universe[edit]

I have started a discussion about whether or not Villains should be included in the 'Marvel Cinematic Universe' template. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Spidey104 14:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC))

Comic team navboxes[edit]

Joe, we've been over this before: under the Project guidelines these are not, repeat not, used to house exhaustive, up-to-date, all-inclusive, every-character-likely-to-have-been-a-member lists. Just the, more or less, initial line-up. Beyond that we have list articles.

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Fair enough, but what about addition members/the 2nd incarnation of the DA? Surely there must be some way to include them, must there...?? (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC))
No, there isn't. At least not in the navbox. There may be a reason to split the roster lists out of the main article and link the 'box to that, But that's about it. - J Greb (talk) 17:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Marcus Johnson discussion[edit]

Thank you for making the Marcus Johnson (comics) article!

I have started a discussion regarding his status as the new director here because I thought Daisy Johnson was the new director, but I'm not positive. So your comments would be helpful. Spidey104 17:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for opening up the discussion about whether Marcus is the director or not wider than it needed to be. I probably should have asked you first before asking everyone. I incorrectly assumed you were positive he was the new director and I thought we'd need outside opinions since I thought we'd both be saying "I think he is...." and that couldn't be resolved without at least one more opinion. Spidey104 14:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not 100 percent sure on that, Spidey, yet. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC))

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re: Black Spider edits[edit]

I've reverted them bck out. Again. As has been pointed out to you before, Wikipedia is composed solely of the content referenced to reliable sources. It would appear that you are adding primary observations that you yourself have made. We cannot use them at all. If you have specific, explicit sources connecting the Black Spider to Spider-Man, please feel free to provide them at the time of article editing. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 12:30, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Fine....God, why do i even bother here...?? (JoeLoeb (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC))
Because you want to add something of value which will stand the test of time? Or..heck, I've got nothing in the way of motivation for you, bub. Maybe you can find something here? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
lol Okay, thanks Jack. (JoeLoeb (talk) 15:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC))

Speedy deletion nomination of Category talk:Fictional burn victims[edit]

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Toyman[edit]

If you really think Dollmaker should be on Wikipedia either start a non-plot-only article or tag a very short section info List of minor DC Comics characters. Adding it to Toyman makes almost no sense - especially if it is 100% plot.

- J Greb (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It's the first apperences of him, so maybe he may be a huge character, but idk that. And adding him to Toyman makes no sense, it's the character's son, and it involves him and his father... (JoeLoeb (talk) 21:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC))
Then it's a one liner - if that in the Toyman FCB - not a full blown plot dump of that "one appearance" in a separate section.
And if you want to ad the cites and clean up what is there without adding the Dollmaker section - that's great. Fighting to keep in a fan-centric, over emphasized, tangential, in story section isn't. And at this point: Your bold inclusion has been reverted, so it needs discussion and a show of consensus before you put it back.
- J Greb (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Just discovered that their is a Dollmake section of Wikipedia, so i didn't know that. (JoeLoeb (talk) 22:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC))

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I've undone your edits noting the exceptionally brief allusion to Jason Todd in the Teen Titans animated series, as it runs into two distinct problems. First of all, you need a citable reference that takes note of Jason Todd being mentioned in the episode - your personal observation of a fleeting glance isn't suitable enough for inclusion. Secondly, the fact that the mention was oblique and fleeting (and has little to do with the episode), we also run into the problem of undue weight; Jason Todd just wasn't important enough to give mention. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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I have reverted your wikilinking of various characters int he series to comic book characters in the series. Please stop adding these wikilinks, as we do not have a shred of reliable sources connecting any of them to their comic book counterparts. The tv series takes a great many liberties with comic books, as Smallville, Aquaman (TV program) and the execrable Birds of Prey series. Until/unless we have solid references connecting any character to a comic book character, we cannot do so, as per OR. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

    • Solid references?? You're joking right?? Do you know any other Roy Harper in the DCU, how about any other Dinah Lance, it's ludicrous, they are the characters. Liberties taken mind you but still the characters, hence Merlyn is completely re-invented for the show, but I digress But I know you have a job and all that jazz, are you a high-level administrator?? (JoeLoeb (talk) 04:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC))

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I recall having discussed this matter with you earlier. There is a discussion in the Arrow article discussion page; I urge you to avail yourself of it. I've reverted the wikilinking you have made to the cast list, as well as removing the redirects from Malcolm Merlyn to the DC character. I am going to reserve judgement as to what is driving your commentless edits, but if they are reinstated again without discussion, they will be reverted immediately. Use the talk page, please. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

And I will continue to tell you, that they are versions of the characters in the DCU, Jack. Anyone who knows comics knows that Malcolm and/or Tommy = Merlyn, Roy Harper IS Roy Harper, Quentin Lance IS Kurt or Lawrence Lance, Laurel Lance IS Black Canary, and Dinah Drake-Lance is Golden Age Black Canary, but I won't add them to Arrow, b/c I've been run over by you several times, Jack. And how come Helena is the only one besides Oliver linked to the DC character, don't you mean Helena Bertinelli (Arrow)?? Look I just wanna improve the article, I don't wanna destroy it and I think that if they have characters IN THE BOOKS in the show, THEY SHOULD have it linked their. That's all. (JoeLoeb (talk) 04:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC))
Unfortunately, we cannot utilize your deductions within any article within Wikipedia. You are not a citable source, Joe. Until a reliable, secondary source explicitly says 'this is Merlyn, or Black Canary or whoever' we cannot say so in the article. Helena is linked to Huntress because a reliable source made the connection.
If you have a problem with this basic rule, confine your arguments to the Arrow article, where it appears you have yet to contribute any discussion. I am not trying to 'run you over,' Joe; I know you want to improve the article, which is why I am not escalating the matter, but you need to talk to other editors who disagree with you; its the point of a collaborative encyclopedia.
Okay, i'll try to do that then, but it's not the most important part (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC))
I don't understand what you mean, Joe. Btw, I've yet again removed your wikilinking Merlyn and Laurel Lance. Please stop doing that. Until you have reliable citation connecting them, we cannot include it. Every time they are added, they will be removed. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
And I am going to point out that classifying a blatant revert as "Some clean up, involving Moira involved with Merlyn Sr., and plan for Glades" is going to be clearly seen as less than honest. Use the talk page and stop working your way into a corner you are not going to want to be in. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Fine, do whatever you want Jack, this is nuts. And I will point out that I don't need reliable sources that ROY HARPER IS ROY HARPER, the links to the articles are clearing the mystery that he is Roy Harper. (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC))

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I had added a navigation box to adjacent years back to 2000 eg see Category:Fictional characters introduced in 2000 etc; this will also make it easier to check for articles in 2013/2014 and copy the category forward when required. Hugo999 (talk) 05:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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