User talk:Joe Roe

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05:11:57, 29 November 2016 review of submission by Harrywind[edit]


Hi Joe, I have added several more references/sources that describe Dee Dee Chan independently. If needed I can find more sources, please let me know what would help to improve the references/sources. Thanks, Harry

23:56:01, 29 December 2016 review of submission by 70.95.2.88[edit]


Added verifiable sources including CNN and the New York Times.

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finding and using images and a question about using census records[edit]

Hi Joe,

I am working on my next article: Myrtle Florence Broome. The Myrtle Broom pdf bio that is on the Breaking Ground website does not have a lot of detailed information on Myrtle's life. I believe I can access information about her parents and her birth date if I use UK census records from Ancestry.com. (A preliminary search found her father in London at the time of her birth) I put a question on the Teahouse Forum about using census records for articles and have not gotten a response. I later found a Cite:Census Wikipage, so I am assuming its ok to use census records from Ancestry.com. Please let me know if its not.

The photos I have found of Myrtle on the internet either have copyright protection or have no copyright information at all. I have emailed the Griffith Institute, where her letters are being archived, asking if there are any photos available to use for the biography. The librarian is forwarding my email to the archives dept. Please let me know if I should not be contacting other organizations for information. I am assuming it is ok.

I have also contacted the Ancient Egypt Foundation, which appears to have public domain photos of watercolors that Amice Calvery and Myrtle worked on together in Egypt. The response I received this morning in answer to my question about the rights to using these photos is as follows:

"How marvellous that you are writing about Myrtle Broome! I wonder where you were able to find enough information. The work of women in Egyptology has always been shoved to one side in favour of the men, with the posible exception of Amelia Edwards, who gets a lot of attention from the EES.

We do not ourselves have any copyright restrictions on those images. The original books, of which we possess a set, were published without any copyright notices of any kind, were funded by the philanthropy of John D. Rockefeller, and we regard them as being in the public domain. The University of Chicago seems to think it has some rights of some kind, and they apparenty wish to restrict the use of them if taken from their website. We do not believe that they have any legal basis for that. Before putting the images online I notifed Chris Naunton, then of the EES, that we were doing so and that we regarded them to be in the public domain. We cannot ourselves grant any permissions, and all we can do is express our view that none are needed."

Will the above information allow me to use these Images for my article? Are they considered public domain?

Thanks MauraWen (talk) 19:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

A census record is definitely a primary source, which we usually try to avoid, but if it's relatively obvious that the Myrtle Broome in the census is the same person and it's only used for uncontroversial information like a DOB I think that's fine.
Images are a real minefield. The people over at Commons are really strict on licensing and will delete anything even slightly irregular if you haven't ticked the right boxes in the right way. I once asked an organisation give permission to use a photograph of their own building, that they had taken, and it was deleted by a Commons admin because they didn't have written permission from the architect to take the photo! So by all means contact people who might have photos, but be sure to make it clear to them that they have to irrevocably release the image under a free license (it's not enough to just give permission for Wikipedia to use it). They'll then either have to upload the image to Commons themselves (the simplest way), or if you upload it, contact OTRS to verify the license (which takes months).
I'd be careful with the AEF. I'm no expert, but I know that copyright is automatic and doesn't require an explicit notice, so their logic in deciding the book is public domain sounds decidedly dodgy. If Chicago say they hold the copyright, I'd be inclined to contact them.
Best of luck, anyway! – Joe (talk) 20:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Stanley Leopold Fowler[edit]

Hello Joe

I have found your imput most helpful and explanatory. I am deeply grateful for all the constructive editing that most contributors have done on the article and I truly don't mind guidance in any sense - I welcome it! Firstly, half of the time I am not sure where to go to respond, even now I am responding with trepidation not knowing with confidence that this is the right way to respond to you as there are so many links within links within links to know what is the appropriate option. Nor do I know when suggestions come up on boxes how to fully implement them. Shame wiki cannot allocate a guide to each newcomer if not to make life a tad easier to contribute. The disputed recurring problems, in my humble opinion, seems to be notability and references. The fact is that Stanley Leopold Fowler DID build the Elizabethan Village in Armadale, he DID win the prestigious Sir David Brand Award for Tourism, he DID have three attempts to get permission off Dr. Levi Fox, the Elizabethan Village DID get a plaque commemorating him and the Elizabethan Village as a historic site, which he built. What some one personally thinks about the site pales into insignificance with the fact that it is there and standing as a historic site. I might not like the Stonehenge but it is there as a testimony to someone. I personally saw the blueprints at the archives at the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust in Stratford -upon -Avon. The references kindly given by his daughter, Sally-ann Fowler were from newspaper articles from the 70's (I provided images to this effect of the articles) and I have asked wiki permissions ([Ticket#2017012910007647] Stanley Leopold Fowler) if these can be used. The problem, as I see it, is that they cannot be used as permission needs to be sought from the authors of these articles (who are possibly deceased and cannot be tracked, although I have tried). When the article was initially proposed for deletion this issue, I thought was dealt with but it seems to have reared it's ugly head three times. I hoped that dealing with it once was enough! The issue of collaboration as I see it, especially with the last deletion proposal, was that there was no collaboration nor constructive guidance by the editor who deleted it. Albeit, I must apologize for thinking it was Theroadislong although he/she cited COI. I was fascinated by the man who actually created something tangible for prosperity, which is officially deemed a historic site, and there is nothing concrete said about him. Is he to fall into obscurity because of referencing? If my style of writing was the issue that can be changed, but no one even said it was to me for me to correct it, although it was called a 'hagiography'. Yes there are guidelines on wiki, but those seem to also be at the whim of individual interpretation. I question how many times can the same article can be up for deletion and feel saddened by this whole experience and wonder at the concept of cyber community...nothing different than the three dimensional world. Going back to the beginning, I cannot stress how grateful I am for constructive editors who have truly contributed, helped and guided this newcomer...so on a positive...there is always hope! Thewayweis (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thewayweis. I'm glad I could be of some help. I see you've already followed the advice I would have given: listing the available sources in the AfD. Do remember that paper sources like newspapers are absolutely fine as references. You don't have to scan and upload them or anything, as long as you give sufficient information in the citation that someone with access to the right libraries could verify the information.
To me it seems like the Elizabethan Village has more clear-cut notability than Leopold himself. So if the article is Leopold is deleted you might be able to reuse some of your work in an article about that? – Joe (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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"Nope"[edit]

Please do not undo an edit with such an arrogant comment as "nope". If you disagree with something provide an actual argument as to why you disagree.--Batmacumba (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Batmacumba: You made a trivial edit based on an unsupported assertion ("surely the vast majority [of western countries are of predominately European descent]") and I undid it with an assertion to the contrary. I'm sorry you found my edit summary arrogant, but I'm not sure what else there is to say about it. Latin America is a sizeable chunk of the western world whose ancestry is not predominantly European. Arguing over a change that makes absolutely no difference to the meaning of the sentence is a bit of a waste of time though, no? – Joe (talk) 13:55, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Its not unsupported. It is a common sense edit. The Western world are Europe + countries settled by Europeans, and its obvious that most of these still has a majority of European descent (even more so at the time the sentence referred to), this includes Brazil and Argentina.--Batmacumba (talk) 14:43, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
While it may be a small matter "many" is unacceptably vague in this context. The point of the sentence is that research was dominated by scientists from "white" countries. That we usually call Latin America western nowadays isn't relevant. If you can not accept "most" (which is factually correct and the easiest way to say it), the term Western should be replaced with Europe and North America, which is basically what is meant.--Batmacumba (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Draft finished on Helen Thomas Waterhouse.[edit]

Hi Joe,

If you would like to review my Helen Thomas Waterhouse draft, that would be great!. If you are free to review all my drafts in the future, please let me know if your talk page is the best place to contact you.

Thanks Maura

MauraWen (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Maura. I've moved it to mainspace; congratulations on another fine article! And yes, I'd be happy to keep reviewing them for you, just leave a note on my talk page. – Joe (talk) 21:42, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Draft finished on Ida Thallon Hill[edit]

Hi Joe,

I just finished the draft on Ida Thallon Hill. Next: the two remaining members of the "the quartet", Elizabeth Pierce Blegen and Bert Hodge Hill. An interesting group of archeologists!

thanks Maura MauraWen (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2017 (UTC)