User talk:Joeatnmsu

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Hello, Joeatnmsu. You have new messages at Sarahj2107's talk page.
Message added 09:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Joe

Entries on this page are related to this course.. My sandbox is here. My name is Joe. I live in New Mexico. Feel free to leave a message on the talk page. "This course" is a hyperlink and I added it too my watchlist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maidmarian55 (talkcontribs) 21:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Joe I realized that I had forgotten my signature yesterday. I will go ahead and read the links you provided for me. Thanks --Maidmarian55 (talk) 21:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Keep playing Maidmarian55. Remember that I am Joeatnmsu.
Consider this idea -- put a note on your monitor: Signature? Edit summary complete?
Like riding a bike for the first time -- lots to remember to do as we wobble around. Joe (talk) 21:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Joe

If I start an assignment but need to return to it later do I go to edit summary first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maidmarian55 (talkcontribs) 21:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. You can type, for example, "Jan 1 assignment in progress." Joe (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Joe how are you? I have a question for you. I see that Brandon edited your Dona Ana article. When I go to your article the errors are still there. How come when Brandon did the edit it didnt stay that way with the corrections? I hope this makes sense. I know I'm a little off topic because this is a past assignment but just curious. --Maidmarian55 (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Eagle eye! Good catch. The assignment was to make only one edit per student. If you look at the history tab you will see what I did. --Joe (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Joe What do you think about Userboxes? It seems like you can show your likes and dislikes, what your interests are you can have images etc--Maidmarian55 (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I have some user boxes. I added another just now at the bottom of my user page. Did not try integrate with the others. Shows how easy it can be. The gallery to get you started is here. When I go to another Wikipedia user's page, they help express some personality. Joe (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Just saw yours I like that. I was in Wheeling once but that was many moons (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Wheeling! Today's featured article mentions Wheeling.Joe (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh my gosh I'll be darned. I hadn't even seen that. I guess I'll be reading all about Wheeling today:)--Maidmarian55 (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Beautiful country did you like it there?--Maidmarian55 (talk) 18:20, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

This is funny and is in Charleston On the Saturday of Valentine's Day Weekend every year, residents gather together for the not-quite-a-5k Grumble Run--Maidmarian55 (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC). The Run attracts those who aren't runners and the 5k features frequent stops for candy, conversation, ice cream, smoke breaks and general Grumbling about having to walk or jog for more than three miles. This is paired with an Anti / Pro Valentine's Day Party which is hosted annually in the evenings.

Grumble Run 5kseems to be a page that does not exist. If I use the searchbar it takes me to Charleston then under media events there is a grumble run link taking me to an article about it. There are comments and people seem to be very excited that it is on Wikipedia. I have tried to provide the link but it says the page does not exist.

Red links mean there is no page. Some users add them hoping to add the page later or that someone else will add the page. I think the better practice is create the page and then edit other articles with the link.
--Maidmarian55 (talk) 18:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC),_West_Virginia#Annual_events_and_fairs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maidmarian55 (talkcontribs) 19:18, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

El Paso skate parks[edit]

Hi, thanks for the message! I'm not sure skate parks are a notable aspect of any city unless there's just something unique and outstanding about them. I mean, what American city doesn't have skate parks? It seems kinda like having a list of kid's playgrounds or something. If u really think they do belong in the article though, they need to be listed from a neutral point of view because the way they were, it read like an El Paso visitors's guide. In particular, the addresses don't belong and shouldn't include statements like "BMX is known for good sportsmenshop, fair competetion and discipline." With that being said however, such promotional material might be appropriate over on our sister project, Wikivoyage (which is a publicly editable travel guide), but it's not really for the encyclopedia. Was this helpful? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)



My name is Soni and I am an online volunteer for your class.

I just noticed of the recent edits by your class so here's a few feedback points about things to be kept in mind. Wherever necessary I have added links.

  • First, Maidmarian55 created the article History of the Carnegie Library in Roswell, New Mexico. Please note that in general, articles are not named as "History of X" but rather as "X". Hence the Library of Alexandria with it's own "History" section, but there is no "History of Library of Alexandria". See Wikipedia:Article titles for more information.
    • As another note, such "History of" articles are generally used when the history section is too long and has extensive coverage that it might as well be another article in itself. For example Athens is already a long article, and we cannot include all the relevant details in the history section without making it too long. Hence a separate History of Athens article exists, which covers Athenian history extensively.
  • Second, Wikipedia's article-space (Also called mainspace) has somewhat strict guidelines on what belongs in the article-space, and what doesnt. Comments like the one I removed from the above page belong to Talk, and I added it there. The article space should ideally consist of the article, and not much else. As a thumb rule, I usually follow the basic pattern followed by Featured articles as a good way to know what to add in an article.
  • One thing I most often see newer editors not knowing is that Wikipedia accepts offline references for citing facts. For example, books, old newspaper reports, journal articles and magazines are completely acceptable as long as the enough details about the source are provided that anyone can verify it.
    • In this particular case, I suspect a 100 year old library ought to have a lot more details about it in the form of books, newspapers etc. Those sources are highly preferred, rather than having primary references only. We specifically require and encourage adequate reliable secondary sources for referencing facts in articles.
  • At Las Cruces, New Mexico, it appears that Lizb07 is doing some good work. However, they have been removing news citations from the article, which is not useful. As mentioned above, any secondary source is inherently considered better than a primary one (i.e. a source which is connected to the organisation being mentioned in the cited text). Hence if there are news articles etc that can be used rather than the event website, it will be a better source.
  • Hectorm07 added a good section to the Columbus, New Mexico article. The section added is neutral and is supported by sources. The only change I made was in the URL, where a shorter version of the URL still got you the same book. The edit is overall of very good quality.
  • Trinityo12's edit to El Paso, Texas have already been reverted. This is because of two reasons.
    • The first reason is because the information added was undue for the article. For a city as large as El Paso, the news relevant to the skate park was not very relevant. Such information would have been much more relevant if an article like "Sports in El Paso" existed, where details about skating could be given alongside other sports. Such an article does not, however, currently exist.
    • The second was concerns with the unencyclopediac content. Some of the facts mentioned, like "Their goal was to help communicate with the people of City Hall who were in charge of designing and building the skate parks." and the entire listing of skate park and track locations are details that aren't particularly relevant to the encyclopedia. See WP:IINFO for more examples of content that are unencylopediac.
  • Finally, there is one commons point in several edits that I should mention. Per Wikipedia:OVERLINK, one should not list everyday words like village, unless it's particularly relevant. Likewise, there must not be the same word linked more than once in any article. (This rule applies as a general case, since there are exceptions when dealing with tables and infoboxes).

I have not checked any of the edits made outside the mainspace. I hope this feedback will be useful for your class.

Please feel free to contact me again for any questions or if you need any help.


TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome and introduction TheOrginalSoni.
I appreciate the time that you took to develop the helpful feedback. It will be useful as we continue.

--Joe (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Joe, Another small note that might be helpful - Whenever you link to someone's User page (like TheOriginalSoni), it leaves a notification for me. That way, I'd know you have mentioned me, and reply accordingly.
P.S. This only works if you have signed in the same edit. So don't forget to sign while you're pinging someone.
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks, TheOriginalSoni, for the tip.
--Joe (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Joe -

I'm not sure how well the timelines between our classes will match up - the students in mine may not be making a huge number of edits before your class is over, but, as a heads up, it's likely that some of our groups of students will be significantly revamping the structure of a lot of Wikipedia's colonias related pages, as well as adding a lot more content. One of the things that they'll likely be doing is changing the titling of a lot of the pages - as an example, the naming of Colonia (United States) doesn't currently make too much sense, since the article explicitly frames the topic as a US-Mexico border issue, and since colonias are found on both sides of the border. Some students will likely be doing case studies, and I'll gently suggest considering doing New Mexico-based ones to them. Best, Kevin Gorman (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kevin Gorman -
I still feel happy that your class will work on the the Colonia article. The case study approach could be very helpful. We have already benefited by your reaching out. Thank you! I will update my watch list as your class makes changes to this important article. Here are my best wishes that your class and you have an educational experience that benefits others in the world.
--Joe (talk) 00:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update, April 2014[edit]

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